The Strength Of The Wing Chun Stance - Wing Chun, Kung Fu Report - Adam Chan
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- The Wing Chun leaning stance has been under fire from the martial arts community due to its controversial position. Leaning back would allow an opponent to 'run you over'....or would it. Let's discuss!!
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Really it's more of people not understanding how the wing chun stance works than the art itself works. It's all about how well you use a tool rather than if it works or not. Thanks Adam. I had no idea of the stances power.
first lol
The beautiful thing about the posture of Wing Chun is being able to hold it while moving forward while intercepting the fist.
It is devastating and unstoppable if done correctly.
Great video
I appreciate the move to a more focused branding and marketing strategy, but I always enjoyed the end notes in the older videos. Lots of wisdom there!
Thank you for this little demonstration Adam. I also enjoy the really detailed and logical explanations on your online course. Looking forward to my next lesson! 😁
Thank You Adam!! Love your approach to instruction.☯️🙏🏻❤️
Thanks, I appreciate such clear and straight forward explaining of things.
this stance was also developed by swetnum in england. he was a mercenary who primarily fought on boats
Thank you very much, Sifu! Great video!
Nice, simple explanation.
People who criticize the Wing Chun stance that have never practiced it are correct that it will fail IF AND ONLY IF they are practicing it with a non-Wing Chun understanding and/or have not tested it and practiced it to make it work.
Regardless of style or art form, any technique judged without understanding the concepts and without physical training/application will be pre-judged as a failure.
Why WC practitioners always get lost fighting other styles fighters?
That's a good question.
Why do unarmed styles lose to trained gunmen or trained knife criminals in a fight?
@@SilenMonser Question was about fighting between WC practitioners vs practitioners of other styles, like boxing, muai thai, mma and others.
Yes, I know. The answer is unless the Wing Chun practitioner devotes themselves to training to specifically fight against these styles (and especially in a fight with rules), they will likely lose and continue to do so unless they learn from their losses and train to make their style work.
This will naturally be hard for Wing Chun because it's a style heavily meant for survival from a grandma's point of view. Or someone old, skinny, not necessarily in peak condition. And it was a style meant for survival. How would you tell your grandma to fight back if she had to when getting mugged? Punch them hard? Arm bar? Some kind of takedown?
Or try to strike the groin, scratch the eyes, push hard into the throat, every illegal move in the MMA/competitions?
You can actually ask a similar question about Krav Maga or Muay Boran against other styles. Why we don't see them utilized in competitions against other styles.
It's going to be hard for Wing Chun alone to win against the styles you mentioned because it's being taken out of its intended purpose. Just like my question took those styles out of its purpose where my question was about surviving in a fight with a trained gunman or trained knife fighter.
Just to be clear here: I never said Wing Chun will always work. You could replace the word "Wing Chun" with any other martial art style in my first sentence and what I've said will still true.
For example:
"People who criticize the MUAY THAI stance that have never practiced it are correct that it will fail IF AND ONLY IF they are practicing it with a non-MUAY THAI understanding and/or have not tested it and practiced it to make it work".
Is this wrong? Because a person who doesn't know anything about Muay Thai but just looks at the stance from a grappler's point of view could likely say this if they've never experienced a Muay Thai fighter before.
@@SilenMonser I think the problem with WC is, that WC SiFus are never took a participation in full contact tournaments. They just teach students the same things, they been taught by their SiFus, who never participated in such full contact tournaments also.
80-20 is ridiculous. 50-50 is the safest, most efficient way to move
Naw some nak muay do it very well like buakaw. That said, for alot of people 50/50 will work best for them
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻great great great 👍🏻 thx f this instruction!!
You a great Teacher 🤜🏻🙏🏻
Teacher, what is the history of Chinese wrestling? You have shared a lot about Kung Fu, and I am interested to know if the Chinese ever used a double leg take down like Pankration or modern wrestling. Thanks for all the good content.
Shuai-Jiao does have a double and single-leg but due to rules specific to the sport, it's done without either knee touching the ground as that wouldn't be allowed.
The wing chun internal structure is such a double edge sword. It exposes your chin easier and more prone to takedowns. It's also very difficult to train because it's hard to teach internal structure. When you can stand with it, than you have to move with it. After you can move with it, then you fight with it. Less than 1 percent can fight with it. Even less than that can fight well with it.
You might be making some really good points here. I trained Brazilian jiu jitsu for several years and decided to try Wing Chun a few months ago and the stance is very elusive to say the least to keep construction is difficult
I'm in the Philippines even just for online training
I don't see you leaning back in this video.
In my vocabulary "leaning back" means that the shoulders are further back than the hips.
I see your head and shoulders well aligned above the hips.
Do you mean that more of your weight is on the back leg?
Anyway, nice video. Thank you.
Sifu, really torn. Want to learn WC but heard so many negative comments. Hence, this Q. Your fighting stance vs boxing stance (i.e. hands). How realistic is it fighting like in WC defending the center line. A newb's observation: just looks so impractical. Thank you!
It's not nearly as impractical as you think bro, i can elaborate more if you want but just to answer you question it works. I've switched entirely to wing chun from kickboxing
Really interesting thank you, you talk about leaning back yet in your demo at the start of your video when you are attacking you are not leaning back at all so is it only a defensive position?
My friend also wants to learn kung fu
Very good
Some people have very strong hands. Def nicer if they keep them to themselves.
Makes sense for an art founded by a woman. Men are less likely to punch a woman than to wrestle them into the bushes. So driving a fist into someone pulling you in is simple and to the point.
I see what you’re saying but it seems that I can’t do what you’re saying for some reason and would like to ask you a few questions about how to sink the energy into the ground.
It sounds like you're on your toes, ready to move... or trying to push back the energy with your upper body.
Try getting into the stance, then relax the legs until it's almost dead weight. Just keep the structure though so you don't collapse to the floor.
You're sinking your body/energy into the ground, but you're not falling to the ground.
Your hips will generally be engaged a bit more, and you'll usually direct them forward.
I didn't about 'leaning back', we don't use these 70-30 in WSL. However, in other WC they do use this, but without the knowledge displayed here. Hence, why so many are off-balance in basically any WC stance. Almost every movement in CMA requires a good expert knowledge to understand it. This is why there is often so much confusion, as well as poor teaching...which leads to poor kung fu. If somebody cannot stand properly in WC then they haven't made it past the opening movements of sil lim tao. TBH, after years of this, I still cannot do it quite right. Wing chun is the most simple, complicated style ever. More than Tai Chi even maybe.
Most simple complicated style ever! I've just started practicing in the past 2 to 3 months and there is no more accurate statement than the one you put above.
That's insane
pick up a bag of sand and hold it. then you know why the back is curved like a turtel. muy thai fighter also stand very back curved. sanchin in karate also makes the point. in general its a forward condensed stance and i belive should not lean back.
It's actually a really good point. Thank you!
I learned back in the 1980's that there are 112 (?) Points on your body to cripple and 110 to kill. I'm not letting any one grab me ! 😵
Here's a funny part, they say there is a 1 in 1 million chance to hit these nerves in practice.
🎶So don't worry about someone hitting one.🎶 I'm not worried about the 1 million...I'm worried about the 1 chance. 😨 😀
Wonderful video...as usual !
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U give it shady to it guys, let him hit matt
Sometimes u can be harsh
Bob tekken😅
all goes out the window when a non wing Chun guy charges at you and takes you down . Try keeping your wing Chun form when a good Thai boxer is kicking fuck out your legs and throwing punches that don't conveniently stop 1inch from your face so you can apply a nice trap. The evidence for wing chuns non effectiveness is evident on the many you tube vids of real Chinese so called masters getting destroyed. Wing Chun is nice to watch but I have never seen a wing Chun guy pull off any of these trap combos in combat .
"of real Chinese so called masters getting destroyed."
"real" -> "so called masters"
so they are fake masters then? aka someone who doesnt practice TMA properly and have no combat experience? yea no shit.
people who train MMA will be good at MMA, people who train sparring and full contact will be good at sparring and full contact. wing chun/tma practitioners who never train in sparring/full contact, esp on MMA rules, will suck in MMA. it's the same deal.
So many people who fought gracie/one of the first MMAs are LEGIT strikers, but they look like babies in front of gracie because non of them have any idea how to fight against BJJ.
"all goes out the window" also applies to ANY martial art as long as you are not adequately trained in real fights/full contact
Post your video or STFU! I worked as a Bouncer for 15 years and Wing Chun held me in good stead against all comers. 70% of Jeet Kune Do is Wing Chun. Are you saying Bruce Lee was wrong? Muay Thai is a sport, MMA is a sport, Boxing is a sport. All these different sports are only good in the environment they are meant to be practised in i.e. The Ring or Octagon The biggest problem of Wing Chun practitioners is lack of conditioning. Go back to grappling men in your underwear.
@@section9809 what are you talking about here WC or Jeet? If you are going to reference Bruce then you also realize that he saw major flaws in the WC system hence why he formed his own style
WC practitioners fail also because there is virtually no live sparring sessions, and most guys think they can simply stand square in front of an opponent and move their hands around like in the movie IP Man.
Obviously you should be moving around trying to get to the opponents blind side like a boxer does. But I shouldn't have to say this as a bouncer you obviously would know this right?
@@section9809 I studied Jeet Kune Do back in the 80s and early 90s with the now well respected Rick Young in Edinburgh I have also trained Thai and MMA and had lots of real encounters as well as also bouncing in Edinburgh . Done training with Dan Inosanto also when he came to visit Rick in Edinburgh . Ran an mma club for some time about 10 yrs ago so don't try and tell me about what works and does not work. Wing Chun goes out the window when the gap is closed also check out the Chinese mma guy taking on these respected Chinese masters and absolutely making them look stupid even their punches which on many occasions the mma guy letS through to show how weak they were had no impact on him. They were bare fisted he had mma gloves on and did not even bother taking them down. Think his name is XU xaiodong and he is an average mma fighter who would get owned in most good gyms. The Chinese government are not happy that he is destroying the delusion that WING Chun is effective . Yes I might try the odd trap here and there but as a complete fighting system its very lacking . And by the way Bruce Lee changed his wing Chun because he realised it was not effective.
@@MikeRepluk My point exactly. I would love to see Adam Chun actually doing something in a hard sparring situation or even take part in a Vale Tudo comp to test himself but he will not because its so easy to look good in choreographed situations while someone stands still with their arm outstretched and has various traps and moves performed on them. Never seen a wing Chun guy pull off any of these moves in even a sparring situation against a non wing Chun fighter.