I think what Adam is mostly showing is spiral force generation. For expressive force, it adds an expansive quality to motion and also a kind of hardening to the exterior of the body. In receiving it makes the opponents force diffuse more and it makes them more likely to lose their balance. Chen Taijiquan and Cheng Baguazhang strongly emphasize spiral force generation. This is in contrast with "large circle" force generation like a slap (horizontal), or a vertical hammer fist (vertical). You can add spiral force generation to almost any motion. Add in too much and the footwork and angles of your system will start to change (meaning you will have to rework the applications). Bong sau has a lot of spiral built into it, so it's application should not be impacted. Hands without a lot of obvious spiral force can have their application modified from the original if too much spiral force is added in. The most common changes are going to be the opponent being knocked back or uprooted more, or the opponent being shifted off line more.
your videos are so good it is a shame not to get a better camera!! I know it is not the main point BUT it makes it even more beautiful! Thank you for the knowledge
very interesting stuff. the concepts of moving in circles that counter the initial movement is similar to how we teach skeletal alignment. When you get the bone structure correct your power increases exponentially and you dont work as hard
These are fantastic points, with the circular motions they’re karate like in their motions only smaller. I’m now confused though. Because recent videos talked about the value of shock power So, do different situations call for different blocks
In the old original Okinawa Karate, the birth place of karate, it was similar to wing chun and had takedowns and tons of circular movements which was abandoned for the stylish straight punch and kicks we see today. I’m very bad at really explaining this, Jesse Enkamp is the best source of how Karate used to be. I made the connection of how old karate looks so much like wing chun. Real wing chun. Like Adams.
Would love to hear Adam talk about those injuries associated with bong sau and how to treat them. As a long time Ving Tsun player this has been a real problem. And Chris, you need to play more dummy to condition those forearms! 😂
Thanks for highlighting the fine and rough applications of the same, the circles, which unfortunately are quite easily readable by the opponent. But, with all respect to SIfu dam Chan, I have missed the big circle explained, or not? Paul. 68.
I like your fighting and i like Fred Mastro.. you should check him out...Fred Mastro mostly focuses on streetfighting and knife fighting and what you would do in street streetsituations.
What Chi Kung have you found in the different Wing Chun Kuen lineages? Why is Chi Kung important in Wing Chun and what are the differences between our approach and Tai Chi Chuan Players approach?
The Chinese have a saying. "There can be 10,000 variations, but will never leave its core principles." It's pretty much all the same despite different movements. The vocabulary in wing chun are "sit, pull up spine, structure, relax, tuck in tail bone etc. The vocabulary in tai chi are "yin yang seperation, heaven and earth, sink the chi, song, root, relax, hang, reverse breathing, etc. Both arts have slow movements, both have pushing drills, both have standing postures, both have heavy pole forms to enhance your structure once you can feel it. In fact I'll go as far as saying that most eastern martial arts have an internal component to it. If there's slow movement in the form, it's most likely to train internal power. The destination is pretty much the same. The interpretation to get there varies from art to art. Hence wise the different forms.
With your internal structure, is it possible to throw combination without losing the internal quality? Also, is it possible to maintain the internal quality while you're breathing heavy?
only if you practice the basics slow enough enough times. thats all thats required to get any skill. other than finding out what the basics are and the most effective way of doing / training them. hope this helps.
I saw on a Science Doc that all energy is circular in form . I’ve been doing an Art called Circular Tong Long , the Tai Chi Addition makes it far more powerful . I do the single hands left and right as a form of Chi gong , walk with it to coordinate left and right. 🇦🇺 Scott
You cannot get away with this against a pro boxer. But I like the concept and demonstration and it can be helpful against a non pro Boxer or MMA fighter
Traditional bong Sou of wing Chun is inherently flawed as it puts the shoulder in a vulnerable position. Adding sing i bagua body dynamics and requirements makes it work better.
@@aidenfisher5679 you seem confused. I did not mention anything about hardening. I'm pointing out the weakness in body structure that wing Chun has in bong sau.xing yi practice can correct this because of its superior body structure. You must be in beginner stage you will understand what I'm talking about if you continue in the Chinese martial arts.
Depends. My physical structure had resulted in a modified version of bong sau. I can't throw a traditional bong sau without severely compromising my structure, so o don't, I've agitated it to my frame and joint mobility. It's just as effective,and doesn't negative effect my shoulder. Movements are taught the same to everyone, it would be impossible to attempt tabbing any other way. But, after being shown the basIc principle, the person needs to identify whether or not the blanket demonstration is suited for their body, then adjust accordingly. There is no such thing as one size fits all. Understanding your structure and biomechanics will help take your training and skills to another level
@@joanstone6740 sometimes. My particular bone/muscle structure impedes my ability to perform a "proper" bong sau. When I first started training, I tried very hard to achieve it without success. So I went to knowledge from a previous martial art and teacher. You learn the firm and function, then tailor it to your particular body. I will never be able to do a traditional bong sau, but the adjusted bong sau I've created to conform with my structure is extremely effective. Like I said, there is no one size fits all. Any Sifu/Sensei that tells their students that shouldn't be teaching, that type of attitude woo only result in irritation, frustration, and ineffective skill. If one seeks to cultivate skills to the highest levels they can achieve, this principle needs to be applied. Like Sifu Chan said, there's no way he could pull Chris's hands off of him because Chris is too strong. Were you to change Sifu Chan with say a power lifter or certain types of athletes, they would be able to prey Chris's hands off relatively easily. Everything on training and fighting is dependant on both persons physical attributes and limitations, not just training.
Great in theory, but doesn't work in real world. Even a mere Club Level Western Boxer would have you eating jabs like it was religion. The stuff being shown is what happens when there is a complete lack of hard contact, non-cooperative sparring on a regular basis. Theoretical fantasy becomes the norm.
This is why I am so glad that I spent a few years as a competitive boxer before branching off into other martial arts with the goal of becoming a more versatile fighter (for self defense purposes). It makes it very easy for me to weed out the bullshit that would never work against someone trying to take your head off. Even experiencing a few real street fights or self defense situations should make people have a more realistic approach to self defense training, yet UA-cam seems to be littered with people teaching others how to essentially get themselves killed. I just don’t get it. I always thought that fights were a normal part of growing up, but evidently this isn’t the case for a majority of people 🧐 🧐 🤨 🤷
I lost my passion for the art a while back. Seeing your stuff is helping me get back to it. I appreciate it brother. Good skill.
Circle Power ☯️ when all circles move as one.
I would love to hear Big Brother Chan's take on the importance of tan-tien breathing 🤓
I think what Adam is mostly showing is spiral force generation. For expressive force, it adds an expansive quality to motion and also a kind of hardening to the exterior of the body. In receiving it makes the opponents force diffuse more and it makes them more likely to lose their balance. Chen Taijiquan and Cheng Baguazhang strongly emphasize spiral force generation. This is in contrast with "large circle" force generation like a slap (horizontal), or a vertical hammer fist (vertical). You can add spiral force generation to almost any motion. Add in too much and the footwork and angles of your system will start to change (meaning you will have to rework the applications). Bong sau has a lot of spiral built into it, so it's application should not be impacted. Hands without a lot of obvious spiral force can have their application modified from the original if too much spiral force is added in. The most common changes are going to be the opponent being knocked back or uprooted more, or the opponent being shifted off line more.
Which in TaiChi, is called FaJing
Very accurate description. SPM has this also.
How do you add spirals to punches? Specifically the straight punch?
@@zetareticulan321 Like turning your hand over for a jab?
I guess it really is that simple, huh?@@williambreazeal387
Circular motion is the Basis of TaiChi, especially when used as a Martial Art!
@@aidenfisher5679 Yes all of that, but also based on circular movements, as also in Bagua
Nope It's True, but you keep doing it your way, Right or Wrong? Maybe you don't understand? But that's fine?
@@aidenfisher5679 Nope True. But you keep doing it your way Right or Wrong. Move on You could be wrong yourself?
your videos are so good it is a shame not to get a better camera!! I know it is not the main point BUT it makes it even more beautiful!
Thank you for the knowledge
Thank you and Greetings Sifu Chan☀️🌿🙏🏾 Love and Respect🙏🏾
Thank you, Si Fu for this invaluable concept.🙏🙏🙏
very interesting stuff. the concepts of moving in circles that counter the initial movement is similar to how we teach skeletal alignment. When you get the bone structure correct your power increases exponentially and you dont work as hard
I train tong long but a variant called yuen mo pai or circular tong long. Circles are the point for us. Distance and momentum.
Great stuff!!!
excellent video...thank you
These are fantastic points, with the circular motions they’re karate like in their motions only smaller.
I’m now confused though. Because recent videos talked about the value of shock power
So, do different situations call for different blocks
In the old original Okinawa Karate, the birth place of karate, it was similar to wing chun and had takedowns and tons of circular movements which was abandoned for the stylish straight punch and kicks we see today. I’m very bad at really explaining this, Jesse Enkamp is the best source of how Karate used to be. I made the connection of how old karate looks so much like wing chun. Real wing chun. Like Adams.
Always good. Circles can be drawn on any plane, then? This reminds me a bit of Systema. (No disrespect, just a thought.)
Just physics
Adam Sifu could u explain what is Lat Sau in your next video? Thank you!
thanks
Have to give it up to Chris. Poor guy gets nailed every video.
Sifu Adam, what do you mean when you cut when doing the bong sau, kind of confused
Awesome!
Is it correct to say that the more circles you can add to a technique, the more powerful it becomes?
Would love to hear Adam talk about those injuries associated with bong sau and how to treat them. As a long time Ving Tsun player this has been a real problem.
And Chris, you need to play more dummy to condition those forearms! 😂
Thanks for highlighting the fine and rough applications of the same, the circles, which unfortunately are quite easily readable by the opponent.
But, with all respect to SIfu dam Chan, I have missed the big circle explained, or not? Paul. 68.
I like your fighting and i like Fred Mastro.. you should check him out...Fred Mastro mostly focuses on streetfighting and knife fighting and what you would do in street streetsituations.
What Chi Kung have you found in the different Wing Chun Kuen lineages? Why is Chi Kung important in Wing Chun and what are the differences between our approach and Tai Chi Chuan Players approach?
The Chinese have a saying. "There can be 10,000 variations, but will never leave its core principles." It's pretty much all the same despite different movements. The vocabulary in wing chun are "sit, pull up spine, structure, relax, tuck in tail bone etc. The vocabulary in tai chi are "yin yang seperation, heaven and earth, sink the chi, song, root, relax, hang, reverse breathing, etc. Both arts have slow movements, both have pushing drills, both have standing postures, both have heavy pole forms to enhance your structure once you can feel it. In fact I'll go as far as saying that most eastern martial arts have an internal component to it. If there's slow movement in the form, it's most likely to train internal power. The destination is pretty much the same. The interpretation to get there varies from art to art. Hence wise the different forms.
@@Simon2k17 good comment 👌
☯️ the original path of energy is a circle. 3 circles multiply
With your internal structure, is it possible to throw combination without losing the internal quality? Also, is it possible to maintain the internal quality while you're breathing heavy?
only if you practice the basics slow enough enough times. thats all thats required to get any skill. other than finding out what the basics are and the most effective way of doing / training them. hope this helps.
You should also look up: King of the streets.. Crazy channel
Mr Miyagi always taught the big a circle...
Hay 😄👍
I still don't get how to do these spiraling motions
I saw on a Science Doc that all energy is circular in form . I’ve been doing an Art called Circular Tong Long , the Tai Chi Addition makes it far more powerful . I do the single hands left and right as a form of Chi gong , walk with it to coordinate left and right. 🇦🇺 Scott
You cannot get away with this against a pro boxer. But I like the concept and demonstration and it can be helpful against a non pro Boxer or MMA fighter
What if punch isn’t straight ?
Things seem difficult
Keep it simple would be a side kick.. 🦶
Just get Chris to show stepping drills. Please.
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Man if you could team up with Fred Mastro, you 2 would be my life time examples
Awesome ! thank you! Adam buy Chris a hamburger
STICKY HANDS.
Traditional bong Sou of wing Chun is inherently flawed as it puts the shoulder in a vulnerable position. Adding sing i bagua body dynamics and requirements makes it work better.
@@aidenfisher5679 you seem confused. I did not mention anything about hardening. I'm pointing out the weakness in body structure that wing Chun has in bong sau.xing yi practice can correct this because of its superior body structure. You must be in beginner stage you will understand what I'm talking about if you continue in the Chinese martial arts.
Depends. My physical structure had resulted in a modified version of bong sau. I can't throw a traditional bong sau without severely compromising my structure, so o don't, I've agitated it to my frame and joint mobility. It's just as effective,and doesn't negative effect my shoulder. Movements are taught the same to everyone, it would be impossible to attempt tabbing any other way. But, after being shown the basIc principle, the person needs to identify whether or not the blanket demonstration is suited for their body, then adjust accordingly. There is no such thing as one size fits all. Understanding your structure and biomechanics will help take your training and skills to another level
@@Johnsmith-pd3uk Certain kinds of practice can increase your body's ability to have proper structure in what would normally be poor positions
@@joanstone6740 sometimes. My particular bone/muscle structure impedes my ability to perform a "proper" bong sau. When I first started training, I tried very hard to achieve it without success. So I went to knowledge from a previous martial art and teacher. You learn the firm and function, then tailor it to your particular body. I will never be able to do a traditional bong sau, but the adjusted bong sau I've created to conform with my structure is extremely effective. Like I said, there is no one size fits all. Any Sifu/Sensei that tells their students that shouldn't be teaching, that type of attitude woo only result in irritation, frustration, and ineffective skill. If one seeks to cultivate skills to the highest levels they can achieve, this principle needs to be applied. Like Sifu Chan said, there's no way he could pull Chris's hands off of him because Chris is too strong. Were you to change Sifu Chan with say a power lifter or certain types of athletes, they would be able to prey Chris's hands off relatively easily. Everything on training and fighting is dependant on both persons physical attributes and limitations, not just training.
Great in theory, but doesn't work in real world. Even a mere Club Level Western Boxer would have you eating jabs like it was religion. The stuff being shown is what happens when there is a complete lack of hard contact, non-cooperative sparring on a regular basis. Theoretical fantasy becomes the norm.
This is why I am so glad that I spent a few years as a competitive boxer before branching off into other martial arts with the goal of becoming a more versatile fighter (for self defense purposes). It makes it very easy for me to weed out the bullshit that would never work against someone trying to take your head off. Even experiencing a few real street fights or self defense situations should make people have a more realistic approach to self defense training, yet UA-cam seems to be littered with people teaching others how to essentially get themselves killed. I just don’t get it. I always thought that fights were a normal part of growing up, but evidently this isn’t the case for a majority of people 🧐 🧐 🤨 🤷