I read somewhere that during the same time his mom died, in real life jack in a box was having a promo giving out free churros. If you think about it, it was not actually an act of kindness. The girl was just doing her job. Just when i thought this show couldn't get more depressing...
i think thats not true, the free churro promotion was to celebrate national dessert day, and was in october 14, 2019, and this episode was in 14 september 2018. but would've been sooo much more depressing if that was true
Two tiny things that make this fantastic episode a bit more powerful: The first line - spoken by his father as he drives up in the car is "Yes... yes... I see you." And: The "lesson" his father tells him in the car is that "nobody will look out for you - the only person you can depend on is yourself"... which is what he said at the end that his mother's death taught him. Oof... what an episode. What a show.
This episode might not be an entire Bojack monologue, because pre-Opening scene is a small monologue from his father, however, both characters are voiced by the same actor (Will Arnett). So the entire episode IS a monologue, from Will Arnet. One of the best of the show.
Will Arnett deserved an Emmy for this. What a powerhouse of a performance, such nuance and so many subtleties to his speech. What an awful existence it is to have a parent never show you kindness nor love.
Nuh uh, Seth MacFarlane deserved it more for... you know, fart jokes and stuff. Did Will Arnett even get nominated? What a frickin' travesty of an awards show.
And *this* episode lost out on an Emmy to a Simpsons' episode. Like even the truly great Simpsons episodes like Marge vs The Monorail, You Only Move Twice, Lisa on Ice, Who Shot Mr Burns weren't this good.
I had a hard time accepting Bojack not geting the Emmy for this episode at first too - Free Churos and Time's arrow are probably some of the most emotionally charged pieces of animation I've seen. However, you gotta keep in mind Bojack had very little chances with Free Churos from a technical standpoint. The Emmy rewards best animation - giving it to an episode that is basically a monologue with very little animation in it is probably against the very spirit of the award, no matter how good the episode actually is. I'm a little more upset that The view from halfway down didn't get it. I get that Rick and Morty's episode was good, but I don"t think it had nearly the same impact.
@@Steelburgh it brings me comfort to hear the VA now doing reeses commercials on YT. Makes me feel like Bojack made it in the end. Show was the perfect thing to help me as a new parent
I still don't understand how there are people that find Bojack too harsh in this episode. His mom was totally the worst and despite that he yearned for her approval. She implanted his fear of commitment and all that other shit in his life. He should've cut her out of his life years ago, that's what I did. Maybe you will never understand it if you have a good relationship with your mother, but there are people in your life, including family, that will destroy you, and why waste your time on them?
The concept of not speaking ill of the dead is deeply ingrained into people, so to see him flagrantly breaking that social convention is likely something a lot of people can't get past. Personally, I'd rather him do it at the funeral than his original plan of saying it to her face during a moment of mental clarity - I feel his choice not to tear into her when she remembered him was the greatest sign in the whole series that he is changing to be a better man (or horse. Or horse man.) But yeah, I do agree with you. There are two lines in this episode that cut me deep every time; "Knock once if you love me and care about me and want me to know I made your life a little bit brighter" and "I'm your son. All I had was you!". With the raw emotion of those lines, I don't know how anyone can see Bojack's anger/pain as unjustified.
Every time Bojack talks about drowning and swimming, I keep going back to the under water episode when BoJack fell off the building and realized that he could just swim to get away.
I love how the cartoon about the talking horse gets these deep conversations about parenthood and trauma going! I think one thing the show has always said so well is that past trauma may explain current behaviour, but it does not excuse it. Beatrice was obviously scarred for life by her parents, and that explains why she's so cold and domineering later in life, but it does not excuse her treatment of Bojack. In turn, Bojack's abuse explains why he's the way he is, but it does not excuse him of the bad things he's done either.
god i love the writing of dialogue in this show. The opening clip monologue with bojacks father is written beautifully and its not even the main course of the episode. The fact the first words spoken are " I see you", how bojacks father calls him a noise factory and then loudly stops the car and beeps the horn twice while bojack had not made a single sound the entirety of the time he was on screen, how Beatrice is apparently getting ideas after watching "a doll's house" (a play written by Ibsen about a woman who is unhappy with her marriage and gets a divorce), how his father saying "I had this really interesting sentence that kept going on for pages and pages" tells you everything you need to know about how good the book was. God, the details of it all.
One thing that many people miss. In the episode right before this Bojack tells Princess Caroline that Philbert has too much talking and tv is a visual medium. Right before this show has an episode with nothing but talking.
I think something that's interesting in the beginning with Butterscotch, is when he has that brief moment of what at first, almost looks like it would be remorse, or a conscience.. After he lashed out at Bojack, a child, for things completely beyond his control, even going so far as to blame him for being BORN.. But then he pauses, seemingly takes a step back in tone and calms down. But rather than apologize to Bojack, he says "No it's not *her* fault" whether intentional or not, he's further shifting the blame off of them, the parents, onto Bojack, a literal child. He then continues by saying "Actually, we're good parents, and you're lucky" So to summarize, he lashes out at Bojack, insults and degrades both him, and his mother, then after calming down, only seems to regret speaking poorly of Beatrice, takes back his words while continuing to blame Bojack for being ungrateful. Bojack has been told practically his entire life that he is always the problem, even when that's not the case. It's absolutely no wonder to me that as an adult, he spends so much of his life convinced he's incapable of change or growth, belittling himself over every action internally, and and self sabotaging and causing harm to those around him. When you don't think you can change, when you think you are always the problem, that you are a "poison", you make that your reality. Intentionally or not. "You're Bojack Horseman, there's no cure for that."
I try and sell the concept of this show to friends and they look at me as though I’m insane. I’d hate to think if they knew how often it caused me to ball my eyes to it 😭
Imon_Snow gave us the final 2 episodes, the watchalong couple drop Times Arrow next, and yall are watching this. Idk how many more Bojack tears I can give
Imon_snow reaction to the last 2 episodes was excellent. They really opened up with their personal experiences. The Normies also did a great job on this series , particularly Rana and Nahid. The change from how they viewed the first few episodes to how emotional they had become at the end was fantastic to see. But Sam and Rebecca at Ghese? They reviewed "Ruthie" and Rebecca asked at the end if it was sad, and Sam shut her down in my opinion. I'm going to keep watching their reactions, but I feel like they need to think deeper about the episodes. Their reactions feel a bit superficial to me
@@jerryhayes9497 I agree... I think Sam and Rebecca they are a lil too into christian morality to get Bojack. Thoughts and prayers went right over their heads
@@ethanpost9774 and it makes me wonder how Ghese are going to react to the view from Halfway Down. "See you on the other side" " Oh bojack there is no other side"
And that episode comes right after Bojack complains to princess Caroline in the episode before free churro, that Philbert has too much talking because TV is a visual medium. It's a subtle nod to what is about to happen in the next episode.
The funny thing is, Beatrice did tell Bojack she saw him, she just did it in her own way and he didn't understand what he was saying. I only noticed this when watching your reaction to Brand New Couch, when she phones him on the set of Secretariat and ruins his day. She tells him she read his book, that his feeling of being broken inside is part of who he is, because he inherited it from her and his father. This is her way of saying she sees him, that she can't save him but that they're all drowning together. It's the acknowledgement he always wanted. But to him it just comes across as more cruelty.
Hey, I told you this show was going to be dark and emotional early on. :) I think I'd struggle as a parent, so I've taken 'not having kids' route. I'd really hate to be a bad parent.
In your future reactions, please let Sindhu speak more. She doesn't talk a lot but when she does you unintentionally try to overtake the conversation. The reactions are more interesting when both parties speak freely.
Somebody on another reaction channel said that when this episode was released, Jack in the Box was doing a free churro promotion, so there is the possibility that the employee was offering the free churro de facto and not even as an expression of sympathy. I don't know if that's true, but it carries an extra gut punch if so.
I recommend you guys checking out the stand-up comedy of Christopher Titus. His comedy is as impactful as this episode in that it speaks the truth. As the comedian Rick Reynolds would say "only the truth is funny".
Huh, I never made that connection before, but the more I think about it, the more appropriate it feels. Titus does manage to strike that balance between serious and hilarious while joking about very dark subject matter in a respectful way. Great standup comedy, and had a great sitcom too.
Hey we're getting to it. It's just about finding the time. We hope to react to it soon. I haven't even heard of Centaurworld til now. I gotta look into that.
I read somewhere that during the same time his mom died, in real life jack in a box was having a promo giving out free churros. If you think about it, it was not actually an act of kindness. The girl was just doing her job. Just when i thought this show couldn't get more depressing...
Oh my goodness 😶
Demn
Oh god stop. That makes it so much worse.
his mom died and all he got from that was nothing
i think thats not true, the free churro promotion was to celebrate national dessert day, and was in october 14, 2019,
and this episode was in 14 september 2018. but would've been sooo much more depressing if that was true
Two tiny things that make this fantastic episode a bit more powerful: The first line - spoken by his father as he drives up in the car is "Yes... yes... I see you."
And: The "lesson" his father tells him in the car is that "nobody will look out for you - the only person you can depend on is yourself"... which is what he said at the end that his mother's death taught him.
Oof... what an episode. What a show.
This episode might not be an entire Bojack monologue, because pre-Opening scene is a small monologue from his father, however, both characters are voiced by the same actor (Will Arnett). So the entire episode IS a monologue, from Will Arnet.
One of the best of the show.
And the underwater episode isnt entirely speechless but it's impressive how they made it
@@ramonmonch I love how Free Churro and Fish Out of Water are polar opposites, but are both so wonderfully poignant in their own ways.
Will Arnett deserved an Emmy for this. What a powerhouse of a performance, such nuance and so many subtleties to his speech.
What an awful existence it is to have a parent never show you kindness nor love.
He did get an Annie award for it
Nuh uh, Seth MacFarlane deserved it more for... you know, fart jokes and stuff. Did Will Arnett even get nominated? What a frickin' travesty of an awards show.
@@SteelburghWill Arnett did get an Annie award for the episode though.
The writers, actors and animators and the very concept of doing an episode like this…
Pure genius.
What a fantastic show
Bojack pours his heart out at the wrong funeral, the ultimate irony of him still being unheard and unseen
And *this* episode lost out on an Emmy to a Simpsons' episode. Like even the truly great Simpsons episodes like Marge vs The Monorail, You Only Move Twice, Lisa on Ice, Who Shot Mr Burns weren't this good.
yeah!! so unfair
I had a hard time accepting Bojack not geting the Emmy for this episode at first too - Free Churos and Time's arrow are probably some of the most emotionally charged pieces of animation I've seen.
However, you gotta keep in mind Bojack had very little chances with Free Churos from a technical standpoint. The Emmy rewards best animation - giving it to an episode that is basically a monologue with very little animation in it is probably against the very spirit of the award, no matter how good the episode actually is.
I'm a little more upset that The view from halfway down didn't get it. I get that Rick and Morty's episode was good, but I don"t think it had nearly the same impact.
They way will cracks bojacks voice at "...all i had was you," hurts so much. For real
And somehow he didn't even get NOMINATED for best voice acting for the Emmys, a totally necessary awards show.
@@Steelburgh it brings me comfort to hear the VA now doing reeses commercials on YT. Makes me feel like Bojack made it in the end. Show was the perfect thing to help me as a new parent
I still don't understand how there are people that find Bojack too harsh in this episode. His mom was totally the worst and despite that he yearned for her approval. She implanted his fear of commitment and all that other shit in his life. He should've cut her out of his life years ago, that's what I did. Maybe you will never understand it if you have a good relationship with your mother, but there are people in your life, including family, that will destroy you, and why waste your time on them?
The concept of not speaking ill of the dead is deeply ingrained into people, so to see him flagrantly breaking that social convention is likely something a lot of people can't get past. Personally, I'd rather him do it at the funeral than his original plan of saying it to her face during a moment of mental clarity - I feel his choice not to tear into her when she remembered him was the greatest sign in the whole series that he is changing to be a better man (or horse. Or horse man.)
But yeah, I do agree with you. There are two lines in this episode that cut me deep every time; "Knock once if you love me and care about me and want me to know I made your life a little bit brighter" and "I'm your son. All I had was you!". With the raw emotion of those lines, I don't know how anyone can see Bojack's anger/pain as unjustified.
Nice pfp
Every time Bojack talks about drowning and swimming, I keep going back to the under water episode when BoJack fell off the building and realized that he could just swim to get away.
Wow.
I love how the cartoon about the talking horse gets these deep conversations about parenthood and trauma going!
I think one thing the show has always said so well is that past trauma may explain current behaviour, but it does not excuse it. Beatrice was obviously scarred for life by her parents, and that explains why she's so cold and domineering later in life, but it does not excuse her treatment of Bojack. In turn, Bojack's abuse explains why he's the way he is, but it does not excuse him of the bad things he's done either.
god i love the writing of dialogue in this show. The opening clip monologue with bojacks father is written beautifully and its not even the main course of the episode. The fact the first words spoken are " I see you", how bojacks father calls him a noise factory and then loudly stops the car and beeps the horn twice while bojack had not made a single sound the entirety of the time he was on screen, how Beatrice is apparently getting ideas after watching "a doll's house" (a play written by Ibsen about a woman who is unhappy with her marriage and gets a divorce), how his father saying "I had this really interesting sentence that kept going on for pages and pages" tells you everything you need to know about how good the book was. God, the details of it all.
Wow you pointed out so many interesting facts about this episode. It makes it even greater of an accomplishment.
One thing that many people miss. In the episode right before this Bojack tells Princess Caroline that Philbert has too much talking and tv is a visual medium. Right before this show has an episode with nothing but talking.
I think something that's interesting in the beginning with Butterscotch, is when he has that brief moment of what at first, almost looks like it would be remorse, or a conscience.. After he lashed out at Bojack, a child, for things completely beyond his control, even going so far as to blame him for being BORN.. But then he pauses, seemingly takes a step back in tone and calms down. But rather than apologize to Bojack, he says "No it's not *her* fault" whether intentional or not, he's further shifting the blame off of them, the parents, onto Bojack, a literal child. He then continues by saying "Actually, we're good parents, and you're lucky" So to summarize, he lashes out at Bojack, insults and degrades both him, and his mother, then after calming down, only seems to regret speaking poorly of Beatrice, takes back his words while continuing to blame Bojack for being ungrateful. Bojack has been told practically his entire life that he is always the problem, even when that's not the case. It's absolutely no wonder to me that as an adult, he spends so much of his life convinced he's incapable of change or growth, belittling himself over every action internally, and and self sabotaging and causing harm to those around him. When you don't think you can change, when you think you are always the problem, that you are a "poison", you make that your reality. Intentionally or not. "You're Bojack Horseman, there's no cure for that."
I try and sell the concept of this show to friends and they look at me as though I’m insane. I’d hate to think if they knew how often it caused me to ball my eyes to it 😭
So true, I recommend everyone we know to watch this show.
Imon_Snow gave us the final 2 episodes, the watchalong couple drop Times Arrow next, and yall are watching this. Idk how many more Bojack tears I can give
Bruh! Exactly, I love imon_snow and their reaction
Imon_snow reaction to the last 2 episodes was excellent. They really opened up with their personal experiences.
The Normies also did a great job on this series , particularly Rana and Nahid. The change from how they viewed the first few episodes to how emotional they had become at the end was fantastic to see.
But Sam and Rebecca at Ghese?
They reviewed "Ruthie" and Rebecca asked at the end if it was sad, and Sam shut her down in my opinion.
I'm going to keep watching their reactions, but I feel like they need to think deeper about the episodes.
Their reactions feel a bit superficial to me
@@jerryhayes9497 I agree... I think Sam and Rebecca they are a lil too into christian morality to get Bojack. Thoughts and prayers went right over their heads
@@ethanpost9774 agreed
@@ethanpost9774 and it makes me wonder how Ghese are going to react to the view from Halfway Down.
"See you on the other side"
" Oh bojack there is no other side"
Bojack has an episode of nothing but Bojack talking that's good and an episode of underwater with little to no speaking that's good too
And that episode comes right after Bojack complains to princess Caroline in the episode before free churro, that Philbert has too much talking because TV is a visual medium. It's a subtle nod to what is about to happen in the next episode.
Giving hugs ^-^
The first thing the father says is yes yes I see you. Bitter kicker
You think she’s crying now? Wait till The View From Halfway Down. Season 6 episode 15. Your wife will need a hug buddy.
The fact that Bojack didn’t think it was odd that lizard people would be at his mom’s funeral makes the ending all the more funny.
sad thing about hurt people they hurt others. trying to fix that is hard if a person a overwhelm with that for most of there lives
When u find out how toxic is ur family is/was and yet u love them without knowing that you do
This really did get me teary!
This ones in my top 3 episodes
The funny thing is, Beatrice did tell Bojack she saw him, she just did it in her own way and he didn't understand what he was saying. I only noticed this when watching your reaction to Brand New Couch, when she phones him on the set of Secretariat and ruins his day. She tells him she read his book, that his feeling of being broken inside is part of who he is, because he inherited it from her and his father. This is her way of saying she sees him, that she can't save him but that they're all drowning together. It's the acknowledgement he always wanted. But to him it just comes across as more cruelty.
Hey, I told you this show was going to be dark and emotional early on. :) I think I'd struggle as a parent, so I've taken 'not having kids' route. I'd really hate to be a bad parent.
Was waiting for this one. Great reaction and review as always guys!
In your future reactions, please let Sindhu speak more. She doesn't talk a lot but when she does you unintentionally try to overtake the conversation. The reactions are more interesting when both parties speak freely.
Favorite episode 👍
The Ultimate monolog
Quick question to make you think:
What is the first spoken line of dialog in the episode? Hint: his dad gave him something his mother dident.
He saw him?😂
@@elcamino2572 which is hilarious because he didnt actually look at him there.
So, how did you like your free churro?
Somebody on another reaction channel said that when this episode was released, Jack in the Box was doing a free churro promotion, so there is the possibility that the employee was offering the free churro de facto and not even as an expression of sympathy. I don't know if that's true, but it carries an extra gut punch if so.
Easily one of the best episodes. Barely felt like 20 minutes
Sending hugs you guys 🥺🥺
Those are mourning Geckos
Excellent reaction to a superb episode , thanks!
I recommend you guys checking out the stand-up comedy of Christopher Titus. His comedy is as impactful as this episode in that it speaks the truth. As the comedian Rick Reynolds would say "only the truth is funny".
Huh, I never made that connection before, but the more I think about it, the more appropriate it feels. Titus does manage to strike that balance between serious and hilarious while joking about very dark subject matter in a respectful way. Great standup comedy, and had a great sitcom too.
Sidhu view, she needs her own fan page
Great reaction!
I was your son, all i had was you
Will you still be reacting to Helluva Boss, Hazbin Hotel, and Centaurworld?
Hey we're getting to it. It's just about finding the time. We hope to react to it soon. I haven't even heard of Centaurworld til now. I gotta look into that.
Come on... its bojack, you must know by now its gonna be sad.