8 color AMS? 8-Track, a modular automated filament changer.
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- A brief overview of my soon to be open sourced modular automated filament changer.
8-Track is still a WIP and will be published to github publicly when I feel it is ready.
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This is potentially one of the best projects I’ve seen in 2024! People want it, people can “make” it, and it will work with many many printer! Legendary!!
Doubtful and I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.
Anyone who has been steadily 3d printing daily long enough IS NOT going to deek with cartridges.
XYZ3D 😏👉 their cartridge setup and others who emulated them. It was demise aka they killed their own company
The CarrotFeeder would be the leading entry level DIY. Next there's a company that's already making a n add-on that comes with a tablet
Why does of of this matter 🤔 nobody is loading cartridges that you also have to load. It's twice the work and over complicates the process
Take it to the bank. It's neat but this will not get a HUGE following and the reason is simple. People who 3d print daily and have been doing so for years already know the hassle of changing out rolls on the previous dual filament machines
This also why we do work on two base colors in 5kg rolls on larger very large machines you get black or white for your prototype part or project and color change boosts the costs/time significantly that most just pay
So why would a hobbyist load cartridges that also have to be loaded. It's like you came up with a cool way to make the process more difficult and time consuming
Sorry kiddo ... this won't take off and I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong
Now craigslist 3dprinter 300% over price
Very awesome project!
This project is a lot like the cartridges that the really big Stratasys machines use, but with reuse of cartridges in mind and without the exorbitant price tag. I like it. Having an open source easy handling solution for filament rolls sounds like a great idea. probably could add a rewritable and non encrypted NFC tag system to the cartridges for ease of use like the Bambulab AMS but working for any filament type.
Well sir, in 8min and 10sec you have thoroughly convinced me to join the Discord and learn how I can monetarially support this project with more than just a coffee. I have dumped a lot of money in similar projects that were far too overcomplicated and NOWHERE new as well engineered or thought out.
Paint me very, _very_ interested on this approach to multi-colors/materials. It looks like a real commercial product!
We will see where things go, I just want everyone to access to something that isnt just a bambu clone for multi color printing.
0:40 Powered dry box, each modular hot swappable cassette has its own extruder!?! Shut up and take my money!
Seriously, other projects should take note, this is an awesome idea
Thank you!
This 8 track AMS with Hue Forge may be something nice.
That cat print is very impressive
Yo, sign me up for Alpha! Nothing else quite excites me like this project does. Multi color and multi material printing is next level!
Thanks for watching, make sure you are a member of the Armored Turtle discord if you want a shot at being one of the alpha testers!
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This is super cool! Honestly I just want a relatively low cost 2 or 4 filament changer, hopefully this works cause the carrot feeder looks like a pain
This thing is a beast saw it at RMRRF I am excited you did this and thank you for the video on the unit.
I love what you're doing here.
Can't wait to see where it goes.
Great Job!!!!!
Damn I have a full ercf V2 ready to build I stumble upon this.
Guess I won't be using the ercf now.
This looks brilliant.
Well done.
WOW, that's just amazing, thank you for all your hard work!
I NEED THIS! Wow this is an amazing project. Fantastic work and I cannot wait for this to be released.
Dude, completely random suggestion from the algorithm, super interesting projet. Where’s the mailing list??!
We're just keeping everything in the discord for now, thanks for watching though!
LOL Doug DeMuro at the end there. Looks awesome!!!
Insanely well done. So inspiring. Can't wait to check out the filament manafold models.
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Looks really intresting! I like how you can print the parts in PLA only and how you promise to make it open source. Can't wait for the release.
Super cool project, hope y'all can get a bow on it without too much trouble!
Thankfully were past most of the trouble now.
What? How can this guy have just 66 subs with a project of this quality? I will be the 67th of many!
Because i just very recently was convinced to start sharing what i do with 3 printers on YT lol.
Brilliant. Just brilliant.
Nice work -- looking forward to seeing it come together!
This is wholly rad! :)
Edit - figured you had to have at least a filament cutter right on the head, plus the ability to retract filament from that point all the way back to at least the multiplexer if not the cassette itself. Having a number of tubes congregating at the print head would F with the motion characteristics of the head. Means less on very slow printers, but not fast coreXY machines. Sweet project! :)
Dear Mr. Turtle,THIS is the smartest idea I have seen in my 3D printing career so far! I have very little money due to illness and this project is definitely realisable for me! If the PCBs aren't too complicated, I can definitely recreate them on stripboard. Otherwise, it's no longer that expensive to have one made. Tip: don't have individual small boards made, but rather a large one with the project on it, for example 5x, with break grooves in between, so it's a little cheaper 😉❗I'm really happy and hope it'll happen soon and after a long time saving money, my K1 finally had arrived 3 weeks ago and will soon be able to print multicolor.❤❤❤❤
Well done sir.....Look forward to the final product.
This is it, this is the MMU I have been waiting for, super excited for this release, have you tried putting it *below* the printer rather than above? or maybe behind?
It can go literally anywhere you want. I wanted on top so thats where i put it. thanks for watching.
Absolutely insanely impressive 👏 🙌
Idk how i stumbled across this. But man am i happy i did. I doubt i have time to do it myself, when it is ready but its still really cool to see. I hope you have great success dude!
the work in this is awesome, 500 color swaps is a hell of a milestone of success/progress to goal. Watching for sure!
This is the one. I'll build this one, when I get around to doing an MMU. You're awesome!
Awesome work this is a great option if u want to quick swap pretty cool project man nice work !
Nice work! That's a ton of work you put in to get it to this stage.
An awesome project!Thanks for sharing
Good job! I have 3 large printers, each with 12 cart ERCF that I built I couple of years ago. I immediately implemented a cutter system into the head a redesigned much to the feeding mechanism. I had a similar idea to your concept, to where each filament had its own feeding mechanism, but never got around to it. Once the servo issue is solved, it will make the color changing much more reliable.
Glad to see other people solving the same problems! Cant wait to see the final product.
Phenomenal work. Genius! 👍👍😎👍👍
This looks very very promising. Power to you both. I’ll be eagerly waiting for the open source.
This is incredibly impressive. I want to make one already.
Now that looks promising , excellent. Thanks for all the hard work.
Theres so much still to do, thanks for checking it out!
This is just amazing work!
Amazing creativity! Thank you for all your effort.
That is bad ass, great job man, would love to slap this on my Creality k1
Impressive work, but slightly disappointing that you didn’t make the cartridges resemble 8-track tape cartridges. 😂 Well done!
Theres only so much i can do lol
Keep it up. It looks great.
kitty wants to sit on that warm build plate lol
Congrats!
Awesome build mate. Just beautiful 👍🇦🇺😊
I CANT WAIT FOR THIS!!!!
This is what I have been waiting to get into multimaterial. I will deffinately be following the project
oh jeeze. Immediate subscribe. Following your project. I have the need to make
Thats what i did!
There's also a lot of disrespectful people in the 3D printing community if any of these comments are to be believed.
They didn't have to share their experiences.
The naysayers put me off decades ago from sharing my projects.
You are doing damage with your negativity so if you have nothing decent to add, stay away.
you sir are a fucking champion... well done... cant wait to make one.
This is awesome!!
Very nice man! I'd love to set this up on my 350 2.4, or at least use the drive system for the extruder load/unload. I'm gonna be doing a tapchanger that does ATC of the whole toolhead allowing it to change between about 6 colors that rest in their own heads (for mine, it's what I have room for).
I'll add your channel here just incase... and the discord. Pretty great to see 😊
Very cool project! Definitely keeping my eye on it.
Oh wow this is amazing. Sharing with my coworkers and makerspace
Fantastic. 🎉
Quite motivating for aficionados like me. ❤
this is next level, cat printing technology
This looks awesome and if it works with a dragon hot end I will look forward to building it
WOW!
This is awesome and admireable.
Thamnl you!
Something i found with tip forming using tradrack, CHT nozzle is amazing. I do a quick retract and that pretty much leaves a nice tip on the filament from the inlet shape of the cht. Just kinda fyi
What is your tip forming routine?
3D printing a multi colour living cat 😮
Well done! Looks awesome.
Holy Carp! This is awesome if it works like you're saying.
Scouts honor it does.
Wow I'm blown away!!!!
Nice Doug Demuro at the end
Great project! Keep it going! I really appreciate the hard work you put into this! :)
I'm fairly new to 3D printing and always love to see projects like this.
Much love!
It looks promising! I've been considering ERCF, but I keep hearing of too many problems. I'm definitely going to keep my eye on this one, too.
Thank you for this. Excellent Engineering. Do you think this will be adaptable to the Bambu P1S ? Thanks,
Looks like a great project!
I'm a hardware developer and I would be willing to help with PCB (re)design if that is something you would be interested it
Very well done! Keep at it. We need not people like yall in the community.
Are your familiar with the 3d chameleon? It's another excellent option
With each box having its own extruder, surly an extruder brand might be excited about this project and could help it become mainstream.
Wow , this look very cool! Sorta regretting just buying a P1s now.
may I suggest, for only the filament roll back into the spool feature alone, it's worth a video to demonstrate how it works.
I really look forward to seeing the finished project! Keep up the amazing work! Any ideas on how to slice for all of this? Can it work off of Orca? Or is there a different way?
I think it would be a good idea to sell kits to build this so you can stay open-source buf also make soms money back. I know I'd totally pay for a kit of all the boards, at least!
Assuming the price was reasonable, I would too!
I like you built the Doron Velta!
Working on it at least lol
@@Armored_Turtle-RK let me know if you find something could be made better in the CAD.
Yea I’m going to need this. Would be awesome to build one in the makerspace I’m in
You can contact Siboor I bet they are going to be happy to work with you on a kit for this, it would be awesome!
I can't wait to get a proper ams that is diffrent from the ERCF working on my Voron fleet
I know that when my Trident had a Dragon ST I was able to get really nice tips, but you're right -- the Revo hasn't performed well at all in that regard.
Started building an ERCFv2 recently, And what a bloody nightmare of mods to the v1 .... I walked away from it. This looks like a much cleaner system. Gonna watch it.
Now I'm wondering how the buffering of the filament is going to work
Looking forward to building one
Great concept and development. Looking forward for it's release. Also yes, none of your printers are safe...😹
Top work! this looks great, and possibly a contender to replace the ERCF, i'd be interested in doing something in a vertical configuration that would work better in my cabinet mounted above the voron :)
Also, I got the "this" reference
I am soo excited 😊😂 I truly am. I have an Ender 5 begging for this
That is a thing of beauty! and so is your Armoured Turtle logo, it reminds me of Qbert.
I would love to build one of these to go with my Pro-3D V-King 400, its running RepRap on a Duet 3, would that be a problem at all?
I banned my cat from entering my print room in the house and my workshed which drove him mad, I didn't let him in as I had some unenclosed printers that I thought he might hurt himself with, plus I have enough of a job cleaning cat hair in the rest of the house, eventually I let him investigate though as his constant meowing outside the door was too painful.
As of yet we have not explored reprap firmware only klipper. It has been talked about but nothing in the works at the moment.
Impressive ! I am all in ! Could test it on all my printers !!!!
I might have to join discord for THIS!
I'm with you on Discord. But, I really look forward to UA-cam updates. Even if it's just a short.
this looks awesome
Looks very promising.
A great project.
How do you manage to geep the feeders in sync?
I did a bit of reverse engeneering on the bambulab "Filament buffer". They use a quite nice aproach: Inside the "buffer" is a spring, a slider, a magnet and a hall effect sensor. So the "buffer" only buffers a few mm, but it works quite simple: The AMS-feeder pushes filament to the extruder. If the extruder is slower in taking the filament as the AMS fedder delivers it, the slider inside the buffer moves, compressing the spring. Due to a magnet inside the slider a hall-effect sensor detects this; the AMS feeder is told to stop. If the extruder takes filament again, the slider moves back, this is detected by the sensor and the active AMS-feeder is told to push filament again. For the A1/A1 mini a simular aproach is used at the 4-filament input on top of the printhead.
So the "filament buffer" on the Bambulab printers actually is a "feeder synchronicer". Imho the most genius part of the whole AMS system. As far as I could see from videos, Anycubics ACS uses the same principle, so does Creality on the new K2C.
I realy would like to see how you solved the problem of syncing the feeders of your "AMS" to the extruder.
One downside of the AMS is the realy weak motors for feeding. I realy like your much more powerfull aproach. Actually, it might even be worth to use your system a bit scaled up to use with bigger spools, even without using it for multi colour. If you have a VCore 3.1 500 with a 500 by500by500 volume or even the new Gigastorm 800³mm³ 1kg spools are sort of a joke... With your system you could actually use 5 or 10kg spools, using bigger motors and deliver the filament reliable to the printhead. As the filament is actually pushed to the printhead, the spool can be as heavy as you want, the extruder does not need to pull it - "just" to press it into the hotend.
With your system you might even combine different spool sizes. One or two scaled up cadriges for 10 or 20kg spools (for example black and white PETG or PLA) and some 1kg spools with multiple colours.
one of the reasons I like the concept of an AMS is because it detects "stuck spools" do you have a method to detect if a spool is stuck and stop printing to prevent "Air Printing" ? Also great work btw!
I think Qidi on their Q1 pro printer have a tangle sensor (by mreasure filament tension). Maybe you could purchase something similar or see if they sell the part.
Chingon compa 8 track its back!
definitely gonna yeet my ERCF when this drops
Must be a Doug De Muro reference, just feels odd at the end and not at the beginning!
In any case pretty cool project, it looks quite a bit more complex than either classic MMUs like Tradrack and ERCF, but also compared to an AMS. But I guess it's the price to pay if you don't want a thing strapped on the side of your printer with large filament buffers and rolls of filament everywhere.
If you add an heater to dry the filament remember that you have to throw away some amount of air, otherwise when the air cools it will go back to its previous humidity level, that will return on the filament.
Soon ™..... Good work!
very good! I really like some of the design ideas/design decisions: standard size servo, roll back filament back to spool, modular!
Awesomeness 😍😍😍
#438 subscriber man. Can’t wait for more