Woven vs. High Tensile Goat and Sheep Fencing
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- This week's video looks at the best needs for farm fencing, specifically the benefits of woven fencing vs. tensile wire. Lann explains how woven fencing has kept him from needing to purchase livestock dogs, as well as how he doesn't have to be dependent on electricity to keep our sheep and goats safe. And it's true ... Over 20 years of working with this woven fence and not one attack or escape.
Link to Red Brand Woven Field Fence, 330 feet length x 47” height: www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pro...
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0:00 Intro
0:39 1. Woven fencing at our farm
6:50 2. High tensile fencing
8:35 3. Why we went with woven fencing
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Cow in background is like "What is this interview about, I don't care for this, I'm going elsewhere." lol
Yeah, she wasn't amused 😂
Boy Red Brand has gone way up in the 10 months since this was made 😲
I think everything has to be honest. I am glad I was able to purchase mine when I did. Thank you for the feedback.
We are currently building our fence. It's this farm fencing PLUS 3 strands of hot to keep them off it.
Well that should definitely work. Thanks for the great feedback.
Great information. Thank you.
Many thanks for the kind words. Have a great week.
We run red brand woven for our hair sheep also. Never had one get out. We do have 2 pyrenees in with them but they have never attempted to dig out. We live in a high predator area but the dogs have never allowed us to lose one to predators. Great video!
I really appreciate the feedback. Fencing is one of those farm subjects that I really enjoy talking about because it can either make are break you. I will be doing a video in the future on how to take up slack on a woven fence and repair using a Gripple Tool. Be looking for that. Thanks again.
Thank you for this information I’m getting everything ready to start raising sheep
Thank you for the feedback. You will never go wrong with woven fence.
Very well explained. I agree that woven wire is a better long term investment as we've used both.
Many thanks for your feedback
Great vid with lots of good ideas and points of view. Thanks
Thank you for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed the video
Good information!!
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Thank you . I hope it helps.
Great info!
Thank you.
@@StewartFarmApiary Thanks for the info. Has a coyote ever jumped your woven wire fence. There are videos of coyotes jumping seven foot fence.
@@itisfinished7377 thanks for the question - I have never had and coyotes jump my fences. Some people put one strand of wire on the tip of it but I have not had a reason. I hope this helps.
Check out timeless fence and electrified high tensile wire. Sheep, dogs, goats, etc. will never get out and you wont need all those insulators as the animals get trained to it rather quickly. So, if you do have a power outage, the animals wont challenge it. Much more cost efficient and effective than both scenarios you presented.
Agree fully. He compared a well built woven wire fence with an internal electric wire to a poorly constructed hi tensile fence.
thank you.
The timeless posts are the best option for a long term hi tensile electric fence. Goes up fast, insulator is built in far fewer shorts as the posts aren’t metal.
But nothing will ever get out? You’re dreaming. I have a 6 strand 50” fence as you describe. It’s hot. I wouldn’t trust it to keep out a coyote, and we have two troublesome yearlings that will scoot under it from time to time.
If you really really need nothing crossing that fence line there is no replacement for a physical barrier.
The issue of the power grid failing, thus leaving fence lines uncharged, is a legitimate one.
No farmer posting on UA-cam that utilizes high tensile electric wire perimeter fencing, that I am aware of, has any form of backup electric power in place. Neither a generator(s), nor enough solar panels, windmills, or hydroelectric generators (or some combination thereof), that will be sufficient to charge a bank of storage batteries for the absolute worse case scenario that might occur in their region of the country.
thanks for the feedback
I was thinking the same thing. I’m getting into sheep and doing the research, all of your points make total sense, especially in 2022. We should not be relying on outside help because one day it might not be there, that includes the power grid .
Do you do rotational grazing with the fence? If so, is it permanent and you just rotate with enclosure they’re in or what?
Great content, thanks
Good morning. I do rotational grazing and use the 14 gauge wire that is electrified to clip my charger wire to. I have a strategic lightening rod put where the maximum sunlight is all day. It is pounded into the ground right beside the fence. I spray paint the top of the rod bright orange so I know where it is. Within my four individual permanent pastures I am able to clip the poly braid wire onto the 14 gauge electric with no problem. This eliminated having to charge a line around all pastures. extremely simple concept.
Please let me know if my explanation makes sense. I plant to do a video on this in the future based on all the feedback from this video.
Im in the middle of this decision myself. I think I'm going to go with your setup thank you for the video.
I have goats on the way and sheep to follow.
I appreciate your trust in my video. I was told by an old farmer this - “ you might keep your sheep in tensile fence but never goats. And you will never stop predators with electric fence. It is made to keep large animals in and not predators.”
@@StewartFarmApiary That makes sense I'll stick with the electric stuff when I'm dividing my paddocks but I will Do a field fence around the perimeter.
It's Costly especially right now with the material prices but it's worth it.
@@cory1641 I have learned from watching and doing it myself that if you cut corners early then you will only have disappointment in years to come. I think you are smart for doing the fence in woven wire. I plant to do a video in the near future on how to repair a woven fence using Gripple equipment. Be looking for it please. Have a great day.
@Pavement to Pasture thank you. I'll keep an eye out for that video!
Do you have any trouble with goats getting their heads caught in your fence? I am about to buy some fencing and was told that I really needed to get 4”x4” for goats.
Yes, if the goats have horns, you will have problems with this fence at one time or another. We started debudding our goats and that solved a lot of problems with them. The 4x4 fencing was extremely expensive for the amount of land we have fenced in.
If you goats have horns they will get stuck. Constantly!
As you have an increasingly larger area, the cost to fence even the perimeter with woven begins to far outscale any losses from having a worse fence (aka 10s of grand). This only makes sense for small acreage operations. Math out your situation. Also, watch out for Red Brand scam of pricing their "Sheep and Goat 48"" literally double their identical branded 47" distributed by TSC.
Thank you for your reply. I have been able to keep my costs lower because I do all the fence myself. I have also gone to another distributor for the fence and have been able to get a better deal. If you have a strong breeding Ram (or rams) and you loose just one it is more than the cost of the fence. I have no complaints with the cost of the fence because of the twenty years I have had it up with zero predator issues. Thank you for the feedback.
Hello sir , I'm in Miami Florida do you know where l can buy the redbrand fence please ?
You can go onto the Redband website (www.redbrand.com) and look at the top and see the section for "Locators". You can also contact Rebrand directly. I hope this helps.
@@StewartFarmApiary thank you sir.
It was funny when you made the idiot comment but your video is brilliantly done. Good info. Thanks! What are you using to keep the weeds down? Sounded like you have a non-toxic method that works?
Greatly appreciate the compliment Philip. I use straight apple cider vinegar. I like to spray it when it hasn't rained and the grass is really dry. It kills it much faster and allows for the "acid" of the vinegar to really take affect. I hope this helps.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Do you really have to have the fence that high? (Regarding your neighbors fence @7:30 into the video for cows, horses)
Great question - I’m no expert but I think it is preference. My fences are no higher than 48” and you could add a strand of barbed wire or hot wire on top. Thanks for the question
Do your goats have horns? Ive had MANY goats get stuck in a 6x6 opening fence. Found 1 dead with its head and horns stuck in the 6x6, still breaks my heart thinking of it.
We had those exact problems with goats when we owned them. Sheep are much easier for us.
@@StewartFarmApiary Your video is for goats and sheep, but this doesnt apply to goats and you don't have any goats now is what you're saying.
@@atubeviewer4942We had goats for over 20 years in this exact fence. All that I discussed deals with both sheep and goats.
Where do you buy your red brand field fence?
I get mine at Tractor Supply Company. We have one local to us and it helps greatly. I hope this helps.
Red Brand fence is trash, Class 1 fence. You'd be lucky to get 15 years out of it. Get a class 3 high tensile 4x4 inch goat fence, Statite makes a great one. They are guaranteed 30 years but will last 50 more than likely. Everything tractor supply sells is junk fencing. Go to a local feed/farm store and talk to them.
@@appletree9635 Thank you for the feedback. I'm on year 23 with my redbrand and have no complaints.
@@StewartFarmApiary l can't find any company that selling that fence in Florida does anyone here know where l can get it ?
What are your thoughts about high-tensile woven wire fence that is electrifiable? I believe there are a couple of vendors making such a fence.
Premiere One makes a great electric woven fence. I am not keen on them just because I want to have a permanent outside perimeter fence. I have heard good things about them and there are a bunch of videos on them. I hope this helps.
People are saying the Pyrenees dogs aren't as good as they used to be for some reason.
I’m MY OPINION - the watch dogs have been breed in so many times that they are not as reliable as they once were. Since making this video I have had more than one person private message me and talk about exactly what I mention in the video and the costs of maintaining the dog.
Great video!
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Thank you
He could have run 12.5 gauge electric high tensile. And only energize 1 that’s eye level to your predator. 165.00 for 4000 feet. You can get almost 12k feet for one roll of red brand. Good video tho.
Thanks. Have a great week
You mention predators going under the high tensile fence, but it isn't the case. Realistically, a predator will more likely dig under your woven wire. The predator isn't going to dig if it doesn't have to, with high tensile it's going to try and go between the wires and it's gonna get lit up and flee.
High tensile is undoubtedly cheaper for equal or better protection, and it isn't close.
Thank you for your feedback. I have mainly gone off of what I have been told over the years and used what has worked for me. My neighbor has high tensile fence and has had two coyote attacks. I mentioned that the high tensile is good if you have guardian dogs.
$300 for 330 ft now
Yep. Everything is more now.
Your perception on livestock dogs is mis guided. The child has more chance of being hurt by the goats then the dog. In my case, I have a breed of LGD that was bred to protect from human as well as animals and in that case, I simply tie the dogs up before visiting happens. Your correct about the food aspect though.
But your goats and sheep are much safer with a dog or two. Bobcats, black bears coyotes and pumas will clear your 4 foot fence easy should that day come.
Thank you for the information. We don't have black bears or Pumas in the area I live in. So far the others have been kept out.
The hi tensile fence in your video is a poor example. Metal t-posts are just waiting to dead short your fence. They also don't last as long as a good pressure treated post. A properly constructed hi tensile electric fence is the most economical way to fence larger acreages.
Thank you for the feedback. Hope you have a great week.
Don’t convince yourself that your animals are safe in that red brand wire a coyote will go right through it. I have priced both fences and 8 wires of high tensile is a lot cheaper than woven wire plus you can do wood posts on 30’ spacing for electric
OK
How will they go through it?
If a coyote is taking your cow, you have bigger issues than fencing.
I would totally agree
You're not saving any money. A continuous electric line uses zero electricity until it's interrupted. Also, A/C with solar backup you don't lose power. #3 6 rolls of tensil wire comes in 1200+ feet so even after 6 lines it's cheaper...... I only invested in first pairings of dogs. Rest I got myself from breedings. I now have 10 guardians. Guardian dogs and they do not guard against humans. They are heavily socialized!!!! You should educate yourself better in this video. The tensil wire is $65 whereas the red fence for 330 feet is now $450. On my land of 1,000 feet by 1,000 feet that's a lot of red line. All of my animals are held in by aluminum wire. It costs me zero to run in and my dog food is paid for in breeding them and selling offspring. Hands down it cost me almost nothing.
Thank you for the feedback. The video is not only about the cost of the wire. It’s TOTAL cost. How much does it cost to feed 10 large guardian dogs a a year along with additional vet bills for them. The wire I mentioned may be $450.00 not but it was not when I did the video. Thanks again for the feedback.
He doesn't see where it's cheaper? huh? Do the math. I did it was double.
I think the issue is that you may be looking at the "goat and sheep" red brand fencing. That is not what I am using. I am using the standard field fence and put a link to the one I use that is a different lower price.