The internet: Was it any good? Vanilla Rogues: "I am scissors. Everyone else is paper. Except warriors, which are rock. Scissors beat paper. When leveling, scissors also beat rock. Rock eventually becomes an unstoppable killing machine, but rock can't find scissors. And that is balance."
"My stuns sometimes miss. Other people come. Gay truckers come after me. They want my pants. Can't say I blame them, they are leather. They're a gay man's pants."
Once you play a class that can stealth, you can't go back anymore. Being invisible is the most powerful ability in the game, not just for combat, for other situations too. Just opens up so many possibilities.
Hello, i know you want to be nice with everybody with your statement but I am going to translate what i think you really meant to say: Invisibility is the most amazing kickass ability in the whole game since let you annoy, kill and gank other players and (especially) one hit all the lowbies you can spot in the ground. Don't get me wrong, i do love to do that too and that's why i am helping you to explain yourself without recieving all the hate of the rest of the followers of my favorite classic wow channel 😀😀. Best regards!
These guide videos are so good that they're the only ones I've watched to prepare myself for Classic. Really appreciate the hard work you put into these
A rogue has always been my first character. Ever since I started playing on my brother's account when I was just a kid. I'm going to be rolling a Rogue in Classic because I know it's going to be a gameplay experience I enjoy =)
was going to roll one too but dont want to have to respec between pve and pvp every time for raid, way too expensive and pvp spec apparently pretty bad for raiding lol. most classes have pve and pvp spec sure, but theres a couple that dont like frost mage etc
Vanilla rogue is besides warrior the best fun class in classic. PvE might be a lil bit boring, since the only thing you have to do is dps but pvp on the other hand is super super fun. And you can go to the toilet whenever you want, thx to stealth :)))
After stealth, i couldn't go back to any other class if i were to play wow again. I just loved the stealth ability (for ganking especially) too damn much.
@@WillEmmo Nostalgia intensifies. Epic videos, with below average content everywhere I pray for content creators like you everyday. No netflix can fix my life but WillE and others can.
Rogue will be my all time favorite class. Started playing it on a private server. I was new to WoW and pvp'd only using hemo and evisc for 5 or so months without gems in my gear, lmao. shit was cash
On live I think you go to the ship room of the deadmines and a secret NPC gives you a quest for the defias set transmog, + the mask is buyable in the dalaran sewers for coins of air.
I'm an old school wow player that stopped after wotlk, I'm going back in for classic cause of all the great memories I had with the game. My main was a rogue and I loved playing that class. However, I remember it was hard to get into parties a d raod cause everyone had rogues already filled. Now I almost want to play as a class that needs ppl like warlocks or mages just to be sure I have a higher chance of getting into. But I'm concerned that u wont like it as much
7:10 I remember being so salty that my guild made me pick this spec instead of me spending half my dps talents on making stealth and such not suck over in the subtlety tree.
I have a lot of MMO experience, especially in ninja type classes. Would you seriously recommend getting into the game? As I write this I will look into if there are races to go along with these classes, and which “race” is the best for the class. I suppose I was going to mainly ponder wether this game will be gear carried or play style carried, and how much customization can I do with classes, like could I make my rogue slightly more tanky while keeping good dps for pvp.
@@oluff1153 if u want to be tanky Dont pick rogue, their kit doesnt allow them to be , with their low HP and light armor, even with defensive talents. Their defense comes from choosing which figts u want to take and caugthing others busy in world pvp and which ones u think u cant win
@@oluff1153 go warrior instead, but keep in mind they are very difficult to level however they scale very well at max level and are gear dependent while doing very good damage. If u want to be even more tankier roll paladin healer they are almost impossible to kill in world PvP if u know what u are doing. However u will do very litle dmg and are Boring AF imo
You keep saying "unfair".. But you have to realize that a Rogue is an Opportunist.. just as much as a Warrior is a Meatwall.. and a Healer is a Fountain of Life. Celebrate the differences.. otherwise we all end up with the watered-down shit games of today. 👍 An RPG is nothing without these R's 😎 Good video though. Solid points and specs. Thanks 😊
Well, been using daggers and creating my own talent route. Pvp realm... leveling can be a bit slow as it has no AoE cleaving, but then you just CC and take mobs down one at a time. What's the good side to that? Can 1 - 2 shot players, even if they're higher level, that makes it all worth it 👌
I'm glad I found your video series, I'm trying to make the decision between rolling a rogue and a mage in classic and it's helping me make an informed decision!
I never knew that as a horde rogue you don't need poison on the main hand weapon if you have a windfury totem. Learn something new everyday, thank you.
@eatthat2 meh, I regularly had a shaman in my group, but tbf our warriors were trash and I was consistently top 5 dps in raid. I had enough clout to demand a shaman.🤣
Just a little clarification: doing pretty much anything to a new target causes you to lose your combo points. Want to loot the dead mob while your energy fills up so you can finish the second with a 5 combo eviscerate? Nope, you can't. So be careful.
@@Trazynn As long as you are getting 1v1 vs mobs and not resisted openers, otherwise you'll be popping cooldowns or running away. Energy generated hella slow in Vanilla, no dynamic regen meant waiting for those 20 energy ticks, using line of sight or running out of melee whilst you regened up was important since leather really don't give much armor. Rogue big cooldowns also much longer than retail, have to wait many minutes for your vanish, prep etc. to be up again for the perfect gank.
I've got no idea if I should roll mage, rogue or priest. Mage is really good for all purposes, rogue is pretty rad with cooldowns being strong compared to later expansions where they barely got new tools and other classes got tons of new utility and priest is pretty chill for finding groups and leveling up slow and steady.
TBC + vanilla rogues had the strongest toolkit in the game. Every piece worked together. It’s not surprising they got less utility in later expansions because they were already so stacked. I easily think rogues their best designed class. When I finally broke down at the end of TBC and leveled a rogue it was an absolute blast. I can’t speak to end game gearing or grouping of course I quit the game when my rogue was shy of 60.
Omg, this surely brings memories... I've rogue was my main for years and to this day, the most fun class to play. I made some twink hunters which were also fun, but the freedom that you had with rogue, nothing can beat that (except maybe druid lol) that being said, thanks for reminding us about reagents and stuff :D
I'd say that Improved Gouge 3/3 is a must for leveling. With no other means to heal apart from potions +1.5s of bandaging is a great thing. Also, for leveling Deflection 5/5 and Riposte are extremely good. Parry not only negates all damage but also allows attacking straightaway. And Riposte is a solid + to dps at the cost of just 10 enegy.
True, although I will point out that parrying doesn't allow you to make an instant attack, but reduces your swing timer by a %. This works well with slower weapons such as swords, since the % bonus takes more time off.
I went rogue at launch, best fun. But i spent many months in the lvl 30 bracket just ganking Alliance in STV. I wasnt going to revisit this class in Classic, but after watching this, may have changed my mind. :) Thanks and Subscribed. :D
I played a rogue in vanilla. Me and my fellow rogues in the guild always dominated the dps during raids. In PvP you owned everyone 1vs1 except good warriors. In bigger fights the ability to sneak around and stunlock their healers is always amazing. Also sap isnt mentioned much but it was really strong. You couldnt just ae pull during dungeons you had to set it up. Sap 1, trap 1 and tank 2 etc.
Also the dagger spec is great for leveling once you get improved ambush. You just sneak from target to target almost 1 shoting them, needing very little time to heal.
Hunters really screwed up a rogues day though, hunters mark revealing stealth from 100 yards, flares, serpent sting, pet aggro from 100 yards whilst stealthed, annoying amounts of dodge and melee survival skills on a mail armoured class. When I played on my hunter I didn't fear rogues at all, if anything felt like they were a free kill. On my priest however I felt the rogue pimp hand very hard, often dead before even getting out of stunlock, when I tried a rogue myself I couldn't get over how incredibly careful you had to be, managing your energy with the slow tick regens, positioning and having cooldowns ready, plus how squishy they were when cooldowns were down and how quick a warrior could delete rogues with overpower. Made me have much more respect for them. Retail rogue in comparison is incredibly easy to play and lost alot of the PvP fear once resilience gear was everywhere.
hey man quick question for classic I’m pretty new to WoW, played very little during Vanilla but nothing since. I’m debating Warrior, Mage or Rogue at this point in time most likely Horde. If any of the three, which one is the easier to master generally. Would like to PvP end-game also. (Probably wont be the best but i’ll put some hours into it \:-?(p|P)
Id say depends quite a bit on your play time. Rouge is hardest no doubt then mage / war are quite similar. Warriors need loads of gear to be good. Mages don't. Also you get will of the forsaken if you choose undead which is pretty op
@@eMoRaL Yes gear matters a lot in both pvp and pve. Also yes im from the UK too! Also just had a thought theres no bgs till phase 3. So will be duels or open world pvp. So i think overall id recommend mage.
The decision is Killin me... Idk what the hell to play.. warlock? Priest? Rogue? The choice is so hard, since I want to heal my squad, the free lock mount tho, or being able to come out of nowhere and ambush... This is tough.
The actual question is, How feared was Rogue . . Ask me i had a Mage and a Priest. The the constant fear looms while leveling in Unguro crator or booty bay of getting Sapped, poisoned and stunlocked to death. Being camped upon and having no proper escapes except for blink and fear . ROGUES, Feral druids were seriously feared upon among cloth users. Until i made a Death Knight during lich king and it was an Overwhelming , Overpowering feeling to be on top of the food chain. .
Are you making a warlock to save money? (no mount buying) etc. Otherwise I think a mage can save better maybe, sell water and food CHEAP! and than at 45 something you can start AOE farm in tanaris and earn alot :). My main will be a lock too ;P
@@tian2523 Yes and no. There's the big aspect of saving money (yes, the free mount @ 40) but also a nostalgic feeling as the Warlock was my main back in 2005. I rolled many characters later on and Mage was on my top 3 list (the other one was a hunter) and I absolutely love it, but I want to enjoy the journey and not make it grindy by speccing frost AOE. I am a casual player and in for the journey... my very best vanilla experiences were with my Rogue and Lock so I'll focus on those and then others will come for sure. Good pick Jonathan, locks are great, especially when you know how to use it to its full potential. Cheers.
@@tian2523 I like a lot of things about the lock. Mount is nice. The quests, the leveling. Good at basically all content. Ill have a vid for it soon where ill explain exactly why they are awesome! Also mages are super cool im most likely making a mage alt
Not sure if you covered this but a big tip I recommend is to start building a regen set and hotkey with outfitter. Switch over during any downtime and hotkey back to main set before entering combat. You'll gain mana like a god and your overall healing in raids will be fire. This is also extremely valuable while leveling and further reduces time to 60
Stumbled across your channel! Great stuff! I'm looking forward to that priest video next, and hopefully that will help me make up my mind as to which three characters I'll claim right out of the gate. I'm seriously struggling to decide what to play this time around.
High geared rogues had absolutely insane dodge chance in Vanilla. Had many a raid where the tanks died but the rogues just wouldn't die from boss aggro after.
I don't really agree with your initial spec for combat swords for raids. Improved Eviscerate is more important than ruthlessness and improved gouge helps save healers from trash, as dodge / parry doesn't really do anything in a raid setting, but that extra 1.5 seconds is enough for someone to get a healing cast off or a self bandage if a stray whelp is gnawing your face. Also, the problem with dagger specs for later content is certain bosses you just can't backstab spam so the spec is dead weight. Combat swords is always the best though I did not do Naxx in vanilla so I could be ignorant of the fact.
Good points there. Specs are more centered around examples. I have seen good players spec either way. Daggers was limited by positions for sure but when you could use it later game it was so good. Could get super high crit chance with crit cap dagger spec and imp bs. Take that with seal fate and its awesome
You sound a little like Robert Webb fro Peep Show. He plays Jeremy Osborne! Anyway, Rogue player here from back in the day. Great series recap. Combat Daggers will hit the biggest amount of damage end game by a long way. Remember to spec that faster dagger in the off-hand! It's also amazing for PVP. Poisons used to be an issue in raids. Also, they had no effect on many bosses! Its been years, so i cannot remember where to spend your points. It just works very very well. Back Stab is a blessing in raids.
I just can't decide between warlock and rogue... I find them really cool both for different reasons. What puts me off from just picking rogue is basically that it will be hard to gear up because of competition..
7:38 Quite contrary, thanks to the access to great daggers and +weapon skill the dagger spec is way to go early on. Sword spec becomes better choice once you get CTS+Maladath combo in BWL.
The main point of weapon skill isn't about "landing hits more consistently" and it certainly doesn't become "less important later on." I think you're confusing warriors that turn their autoattacks from white hits into yellow hits (making them not benefit from weapon skill) with rogues who are always reliant on their white hits to do damage. The main point of weapon skill is to reduce lost damage from glancing blows, which is why it's very important to have at all gear levels.
I can't state how much I loved Subtlety. Mainly for exploring. Back in Vanilla I used to use Shadowstep to get up on top of Ironforge, up on the airport and the farms by using it to step behind a sheep that was always on a cliff top (and still is in Classic I noticed). It was great if you enjoyed exploring. Rogues may be called upon to open a lot of locked boxes too, as well as a couple doors if I recall. Some of your poisons you could actually pickpocket off enemies. There were healing potions too, but I don't recall if they were in Vanilla or not. Fun spec to level anyhow. Again, I usually don't care much about end game stuff as much as leveling.
I rolled warlock in TBC. I felt like food to the melee classes most days especially being a gnome and facing WotF. When at the end of TBC I broke down and made a rogue. The toolkit was so much more intuitive. Once I got past the 20’s slog i became a monster but not more so than when I hit 50 and could pick up shadowstep. Suddenly I’d pop in and burst down enemies in an instant or rupture, garrote a warrior and pop away to mob before they knew what hit them. I was a well oiled killing machine each skill and ability seemed to compliment the other with the singular goal of locking down and destroying your opponent/s. There’s nothing like it in the game. Except maybe resto druid? Which felt like an amazing battlefield healer. I am not saying rogue isn’t hard sometimes just that the toolkit is fluid, dynamic and deep enough you can almost always see how you could’ve come out on top or escaped (like Druid). Obviously warriors were better melee and absolute wrecking balls at cap with a healer. But beyond maybe levels 20-30 rogue is an amazing experience.
@@OpiatesAndTits The Paladin was my favourite during Vanilla, in TBC it was a shadow priest, and in Wrath it was a mage. The last character I absolutely loved before I basically quit the game was the Balance Druid. If I had to choose only one, it would probably be my Arcane Mage. Love the ability to teleport to anywhere in the world.
okay, I'm still a lvl 29 rogue in Classic, going up the sword path and I have a question- you all talk about oneshoting other players in pvp or rogue being the cc train, but how do I even nuke someone like that in pvp? I'm questing around Hillsbrad right now and I don't want to just run away when factions are fighting near yeti cave or something. what abilities should I use for maximum pvp burst efficiency? also pve, all guides I see are just "X skill is your main combo ability" but what should I even use besides that?and during leveling? garote, spam sinister strike to 5 combo points and then eviscerate? but there is also the dot and the attack speed buff and I'm getting confused here :(
I personally never went with the Ebon Mask... sure, it's a solid item and usually offers more DPS for you than the other two items.... but the -fall damage on the cloak has impressive utility in some of the BGs, allowing you to drop down most any of the cliffs in AB without breaking stealth.
both the other rewards offer harder to replace bonuses. Hell the ebon mask looks pretty lackluster compared to BRD drops once you examine what the stats give. Like If I remember right... the ghostshroud would give like .5% crit from it's agility and between the strength and agility on it was around 31 ap AND it gave you more health to stand in fire. Now granted it IS a higher ilvl item, but both are going to be stuff you run into around the early 50's. That said... jumping off the great lift and surviving is a good selling point for the cape, it also makes those LM => BS or BS => Mine rushes easier since you'll be nowhere near 'critical' health range with that drape on.
If my memory serves, the LM=>BS and the BS=>mine drops were actually within non-damaging range at certain points while you had the cape (The way they coded it, it pushed back the distance you could fall without taking damage in addition to reducing damage taken after you surpassed the new threshold), allowing you to retain stealth. It was also pretty handy when farming rep for the Wintersaber since you could drop down into the crevice at one point and onto a tower, and then drop down from the tower with minimal loss of HP at one of the drop zones.
Can someone explain to me the mechanics of poison charges? Is it viable to use in dungeons or raiding, if you might even run out of charges during a fight?
So each attack has a chance to apply a poison, some enemies may be immune to nature damage too, so it will do no damage. You deadly poison does do more damage, but takes time to stack up and isnt used in Raids as it takes a debuff slot Damage wise you want instant poison most of the time, and it can run out mid fight if you start with low charges, they aren't used up very fast
Can you maybe explain me how you go about leveling lockpicking? Do you just randomly find boxes and chests that you can try to open and if you succeed you level up? Or do I need items or something before I can try lockpicking?
@@facundomoralesdiorio3802 Thank you :) any chance I can do that naturely while leveling or do you need to go out of your way, too, like with most professions?
You'll have to travel to some locations where you can find treasure chest that will level your lockpicking skill once opened. It isn't that time consuming though.
Can you tell me why warrior’s your favourite? I’m rolling as our group’s tank and I’m trying to talk myself out of abandoning my responsibilities and playing rogue instead
im re-watching this one, the priest vid, and the mage vid to figure out which one I want to play. I started late classic early TBC and played a rogue. Loved it. Starting in Cata i switched to a mage. Loved it. Legion-BFA I played priest. Loved it. IDK WHAT TO PLAY!!!
@@tekenertehee thats a good thing you get more gear from it im doing like 800=1000 dps atm on vael its like 1.6k could be better but my point is rogues are in high demand when it comes to damage
My first ever char was a Tauren hunter fallowed by a troll warrior and then a Belf mage then I dared to dabble in the rogue class on a private server in BC days...when I got my retail account I made 3 main alts, my mai was a mage because using 3 types of magic to decimate tons of mobs was awesome, those 3 alts were a hunter a rogue and a druid. I lost that account to a friend... but ever since I've always had a main rogue alt for ganks and pvp, and a druid alt because I was that ass that wrecked you then killed a mob onlly to hide in its corpse while stealthed so you couldn't see me from the Ghost Lands. Pro ganking cat 😃
Undead rogue with a seal fate dagger build I what I played in pvp back in vanilla on bloodscalp. Once I got my perdition's blade, killing clothies instantly in pvp was way too easy.
Hello guys, do you think i can go troll rogue for classic ? speedattack berserk on troll + slice and dice and blade fury is good no ? i've heard 60% of dps in classic is by normal attacks or should i go orc or undead ?
Hey berserking is 10 - 30% haste based of missing health, not as good as it is on live. For pvp, you could argue either orc or ud - im going to make a vid on races soon that will help. For pve orcs are better due to blood fury
The internet: Was it any good?
Vanilla Rogues: "I am scissors. Everyone else is paper. Except warriors, which are rock. Scissors beat paper. When leveling, scissors also beat rock. Rock eventually becomes an unstoppable killing machine, but rock can't find scissors. And that is balance."
Low levels and low gear rogues tear people up for sure
World of roguecraft
"My stuns sometimes miss. Other people come. Gay truckers come after me. They want my pants. Can't say I blame them, they are leather. They're a gay man's pants."
Some guys are stupid
Warlocks are mushrooms.
Once you play a class that can stealth, you can't go back anymore. Being invisible is the most powerful ability in the game, not just for combat, for other situations too. Just opens up so many possibilities.
Hell yeah
Truth
Hello, i know you want to be nice with everybody with your statement but I am going to translate what i think you really meant to say:
Invisibility is the most amazing kickass ability in the whole game since let you annoy, kill and gank other players and (especially) one hit all the lowbies you can spot in the ground. Don't get me wrong, i do love to do that too and that's why i am helping you to explain yourself without recieving all the hate of the rest of the followers of my favorite classic wow channel 😀😀.
Best regards!
@@neehime6 its just super comfy not to have to kill your way to the questspots and back (luckily there are superfast respawns).
I go unseen...
These guide videos are so good that they're the only ones I've watched to prepare myself for Classic. Really appreciate the hard work you put into these
Thanks!
I agree!!!
A rogue has always been my first character. Ever since I started playing on my brother's account when I was just a kid.
I'm going to be rolling a Rogue in Classic because I know it's going to be a gameplay experience I enjoy =)
was going to roll one too but dont want to have to respec between pve and pvp every time for raid, way too expensive and pvp spec apparently pretty bad for raiding lol. most classes have pve and pvp spec sure, but theres a couple that dont like frost mage etc
Whiskiz Yo you could just play combat 🤷♂️
@@deaconsyxx322 yeah so the pve/raid spec
Whiskiz Yo check out this vid pal
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@@whiskizyo2067 you will do just fine as sword combat in PvP aswell, a ton of dps and burst with AR.
Regarding healing on a rogue. Food and pots weren’t the only choice. Bandages were great for healing mid combat with all those stuns. Great video!
Emil He mentioned first aid at ~ 3:10
"Your key strength is playing unfair"
That statement made me love my class more than anything else I've ever heard
Vanilla rogue is besides warrior the best fun class in classic. PvE might be a lil bit boring, since the only thing you have to do is dps but pvp on the other hand is super super fun. And you can go to the toilet whenever you want, thx to stealth :)))
Toilet spec bis
@World of Hearthstone .. Heheh, I think you are doing it wrong. Rogues terrible in bg's. 🤣 Good one chap!
@World of Hearthstone You're definitely playing wrong if you think they are terrible.
@World of Hearthstone rofl
Lol love the toilet comment....So true 🤣
It’s funny how much classic info I’ve listened too, already knowing a good bit about it. It never gets old and I enjoyed your perspective
lol you spoiled the fun
Denis Black how
After stealth, i couldn't go back to any other class if i were to play wow again. I just loved the stealth ability (for ganking especially) too damn much.
Dude Master right ? I went from a priest to a rogue and I instantly loved it..
That intro made me laugh hard... a nightelf just randomly swimming in the middle of nowhere XD
Druid aquatic form quest.
you must be a comedy blank slate
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Classic WoW: Was it any good, though?
How about was it any good for each phase :)?
@@WillEmmo Nostalgia intensifies. Epic videos, with below average content everywhere I pray for content creators like you everyday. No netflix can fix my life but WillE and others can.
Rogue will be my all time favorite class. Started playing it on a private server. I was new to WoW and pvp'd only using hemo and evisc for 5 or so months without gems in my gear, lmao. shit was cash
REAL TAWK well there weren't gems in vanilla, since jewelcrafting came out in BC, so that's some private server
2:16 Dat Eye of Shadow drop though, sells for couple hundred gold in classic
On a private server, where u kill those mobs solo in about 4 seconds.., I think the fortune is not that big..
Oh boy.. It'll feel so good to wear the Defias set again.
Top tier set
I wore that red Defias mask for SO long!
@@GoingRampant92 I too was guilty of this.. And no regrets!
On live I think you go to the ship room of the deadmines and a secret NPC gives you a quest for the defias set transmog, + the mask is buyable in the dalaran sewers for coins of air.
Can you get all of its pieces in Deadmines alone? Can I run it multiple times or is it an instance that locks after a few times?
I'm an old school wow player that stopped after wotlk, I'm going back in for classic cause of all the great memories I had with the game. My main was a rogue and I loved playing that class. However, I remember it was hard to get into parties a d raod cause everyone had rogues already filled. Now I almost want to play as a class that needs ppl like warlocks or mages just to be sure I have a higher chance of getting into. But I'm concerned that u wont like it as much
just play the class you love. I had the same concern about ret pallys but fuck it. I'm still gonna play a ret pally!
Same i dont want to wait 4 hours to get a group. I dont have that time anymore
7:10 I remember being so salty that my guild made me pick this spec instead of me spending half my dps talents on making stealth and such not suck over in the subtlety tree.
ROUG DO IT FROM BEHIN
yesh
Loving you class guides! This is really helping me figure out my main and secondaries. Can't wait for Warlock...
Can't wait to make the lock one either! It's going to be last in the series though, plan to play one myself!
My first character in Vanilla was a Rogue.
My first character in Classic will be a Rogue. =D
I have a lot of MMO experience, especially in ninja type classes. Would you seriously recommend getting into the game? As I write this I will look into if there are races to go along with these classes, and which “race” is the best for the class. I suppose I was going to mainly ponder wether this game will be gear carried or play style carried, and how much customization can I do with classes, like could I make my rogue slightly more tanky while keeping good dps for pvp.
@@oluff1153 if u want to be tanky Dont pick rogue, their kit doesnt allow them to be , with their low HP and light armor, even with defensive talents. Their defense comes from choosing which figts u want to take and caugthing others busy in world pvp and which ones u think u cant win
@@oluff1153 go warrior instead, but keep in mind they are very difficult to level however they scale very well at max level and are gear dependent while doing very good damage.
If u want to be even more tankier roll paladin healer they are almost impossible to kill in world PvP if u know what u are doing. However u will do very litle dmg and are Boring AF imo
manel costs thanks for the information, however, after learning more about rogue, I will be rolling with an undead rogue.
You keep saying "unfair".. But you have to realize that a Rogue is an Opportunist.. just as much as a Warrior is a Meatwall.. and a Healer is a Fountain of Life.
Celebrate the differences.. otherwise we all end up with the watered-down shit games of today. 👍
An RPG is nothing without these R's 😎
Good video though. Solid points and specs. Thanks 😊
Words of wisdom
Big tru!
He just doesn't like Rogue xD
Well, been using daggers and creating my own talent route. Pvp realm... leveling can be a bit slow as it has no AoE cleaving, but then you just CC and take mobs down one at a time. What's the good side to that? Can 1 - 2 shot players, even if they're higher level, that makes it all worth it 👌
You have so much AOE as a rogue
@@awesomesaucejay481 blade flurry is the only spell what u on about
I'm glad I found your video series, I'm trying to make the decision between rolling a rogue and a mage in classic and it's helping me make an informed decision!
Im glad! What did you decide on in the end?
@@WillEmmo Mage! The ease of levelling compared to the rogue was probably the biggest factor for me.
I can just imagine 1000 invisible rogues in Strangleton vale ... :)))))))
Tarren mill also, shit was crazy in the day, 50+ vs. 50+. Stranglethorn was nasty.
Being able to stealth to a boss and kill it made it easier to twink rogues. Just made shopping list and go solo dungeons
Thats true! If you were able to
WillE, love the videos! Keep it up. Would love to see a Warlock video next!
Thanks have priest out today, Warlock next week tuesday ish
@@WillEmmo can't wait for warlock one :D
I never knew that as a horde rogue you don't need poison on the main hand weapon if you have a windfury totem. Learn something new everyday, thank you.
You were rarely put in a group with shaman, because of warriors. So you better put that poison :)
Sharpening Stones also count towards the same, and for enemies who are immune to poisons, like elementals, this can be worth remembering.
@eatthat2 meh, I regularly had a shaman in my group, but tbf our warriors were trash and I was consistently top 5 dps in raid. I had enough clout to demand a shaman.🤣
Just a little clarification: doing pretty much anything to a new target causes you to lose your combo points. Want to loot the dead mob while your energy fills up so you can finish the second with a 5 combo eviscerate? Nope, you can't. So be careful.
Now u can in retail
Slice and dice upkeep is usually how I get around that in classic. The extra attack speed likely does as much dmg if not more than eviscerate anyway.
Such a good video!
I loved how the rogue played and how when you leveled you learned more and more and gained real skill as your played.
Great class!
Rogues are probably the most unique leveling experience you'll ever get.
Also the least stressful.
@@Trazynn As long as you are getting 1v1 vs mobs and not resisted openers, otherwise you'll be popping cooldowns or running away. Energy generated hella slow in Vanilla, no dynamic regen meant waiting for those 20 energy ticks, using line of sight or running out of melee whilst you regened up was important since leather really don't give much armor. Rogue big cooldowns also much longer than retail, have to wait many minutes for your vanish, prep etc. to be up again for the perfect gank.
@@cattysplat classic mobs are easier then on private servers u can pull 2 mobs as a rog
Yep, pulling 2x mobs and dpsing one while gouge on the other one. Then bandage
the closer to release the harder it is for me to decide on a class to main:(
GL!
I've decided on a class but can't pick race )= human nelf or ud rogue?
@@Yoman1289 obviously UD ! :)
@@Yoman1289 obviously UD ! :)
Rogue, mage, then druid or hunter. For sure for me.
I've got no idea if I should roll mage, rogue or priest. Mage is really good for all purposes, rogue is pretty rad with cooldowns being strong compared to later expansions where they barely got new tools and other classes got tons of new utility and priest is pretty chill for finding groups and leveling up slow and steady.
All good choices, tough one!
TBC + vanilla rogues had the strongest toolkit in the game. Every piece worked together. It’s not surprising they got less utility in later expansions because they were already so stacked.
I easily think rogues their best designed class. When I finally broke down at the end of TBC and leveled a rogue it was an absolute blast.
I can’t speak to end game gearing or grouping of course I quit the game when my rogue was shy of 60.
Omg, this surely brings memories... I've rogue was my main for years and to this day, the most fun class to play. I made some twink hunters which were also fun, but the freedom that you had with rogue, nothing can beat that (except maybe druid lol) that being said, thanks for reminding us about reagents and stuff :D
I love the content, and you will become big soon for sure if you keep this quality up. Very informative videos.
Thanks!
Just found your channel and I’m a fan, well put together and straight to the point
Thanks!
I'd say that Improved Gouge 3/3 is a must for leveling. With no other means to heal apart from potions +1.5s of bandaging is a great thing.
Also, for leveling Deflection 5/5 and Riposte are extremely good. Parry not only negates all damage but also allows attacking straightaway. And Riposte is a solid + to dps at the cost of just 10 enegy.
Good points. Agree riposte is great also disarms meaning less damage if your enemy is using a weapon
True, although I will point out that parrying doesn't allow you to make an instant attack, but reduces your swing timer by a %. This works well with slower weapons such as swords, since the % bonus takes more time off.
@@joshholmes1372 Thats right its 40% reduction in AA swing
It was so cool when ppl asking me to open chests or doors in dungeons.
These days all I get is "open the door retard"
@@JadeDude1973 XD
Almost forgot how many reagents rogues relied on, and how inconvenient poisons were back then.
Yeah rogues have 2 extra professions from poisons and lockpicking really
I went rogue at launch, best fun. But i spent many months in the lvl 30 bracket just ganking Alliance in STV. I wasnt going to revisit this class in Classic, but after watching this, may have changed my mind. :) Thanks and Subscribed. :D
Thanks!
I played a rogue in vanilla. Me and my fellow rogues in the guild always dominated the dps during raids. In PvP you owned everyone 1vs1 except good warriors. In bigger fights the ability to sneak around and stunlock their healers is always amazing. Also sap isnt mentioned much but it was really strong. You couldnt just ae pull during dungeons you had to set it up. Sap 1, trap 1 and tank 2 etc.
Also the dagger spec is great for leveling once you get improved ambush. You just sneak from target to target almost 1 shoting them, needing very little time to heal.
Good points cheers! I should have talked about talented/ untalented sap really, a lot of people wont know how it works!
@@WillEmmo but great videos. Watched a bunch of them getting the hype up :)
Hunters really screwed up a rogues day though, hunters mark revealing stealth from 100 yards, flares, serpent sting, pet aggro from 100 yards whilst stealthed, annoying amounts of dodge and melee survival skills on a mail armoured class. When I played on my hunter I didn't fear rogues at all, if anything felt like they were a free kill. On my priest however I felt the rogue pimp hand very hard, often dead before even getting out of stunlock, when I tried a rogue myself I couldn't get over how incredibly careful you had to be, managing your energy with the slow tick regens, positioning and having cooldowns ready, plus how squishy they were when cooldowns were down and how quick a warrior could delete rogues with overpower. Made me have much more respect for them. Retail rogue in comparison is incredibly easy to play and lost alot of the PvP fear once resilience gear was everywhere.
don't forget so much. shadowpriests rape a rogue any day in classic 1v1. especially undead
you should add time stamps for the aspects of the class you cover (leveling, pvp, pve, etc.)
Good idea!
hey man quick question for classic I’m pretty new to WoW, played very little during Vanilla but nothing since. I’m debating Warrior, Mage or Rogue at this point in time most likely Horde. If any of the three, which one is the easier to master generally. Would like to PvP end-game also. (Probably wont be the best but i’ll put some hours into it \:-?(p|P)
Id say depends quite a bit on your play time. Rouge is hardest no doubt then mage / war are quite similar. Warriors need loads of gear to be good. Mages don't. Also you get will of the forsaken if you choose undead which is pretty op
WillE is this in terms of pvp also?
You from Uk too?
@@eMoRaL Yes gear matters a lot in both pvp and pve. Also yes im from the UK too! Also just had a thought theres no bgs till phase 3. So will be duels or open world pvp.
So i think overall id recommend mage.
@Alexander Makarov hardiness op
WillE okay so mage easiest to master you would say, you got discord?
The decision is Killin me... Idk what the hell to play.. warlock? Priest? Rogue? The choice is so hard, since I want to heal my squad, the free lock mount tho, or being able to come out of nowhere and ambush... This is tough.
Trevor B. Free mount, be easier then getting that gold for the mounts hhaha
Sounds like you are the ideal Druid player though
The actual question is, How feared was Rogue . .
Ask me i had a Mage and a Priest. The the constant fear looms while leveling in Unguro crator or booty bay of getting Sapped, poisoned and stunlocked to death. Being camped upon and having no proper escapes except for blink and fear .
ROGUES, Feral druids were seriously feared upon among cloth users.
Until i made a Death Knight during lich king and it was an Overwhelming , Overpowering feeling to be on top of the food chain. .
My main will be a rogue but my first character will be a warlock. He will pave the way for my rogue so leveling will be a lot smoother.
Rolling a lock too here man right on
lock and rogue is my thoughts too. Idk what to main yet between the two.
Are you making a warlock to save money? (no mount buying) etc. Otherwise I think a mage can save better maybe, sell water and food CHEAP! and than at 45 something you can start AOE farm in tanaris and earn alot :).
My main will be a lock too ;P
@@tian2523 Yes and no. There's the big aspect of saving money (yes, the free mount @ 40) but also a nostalgic feeling as the Warlock was my main back in 2005. I rolled many characters later on and Mage was on my top 3 list (the other one was a hunter) and I absolutely love it, but I want to enjoy the journey and not make it grindy by speccing frost AOE. I am a casual player and in for the journey... my very best vanilla experiences were with my Rogue and Lock so I'll focus on those and then others will come for sure. Good pick Jonathan, locks are great, especially when you know how to use it to its full potential. Cheers.
@@tian2523 I like a lot of things about the lock. Mount is nice. The quests, the leveling. Good at basically all content. Ill have a vid for it soon where ill explain exactly why they are awesome! Also mages are super cool im most likely making a mage alt
I miss those old talent trees so much.
Not sure if you covered this but a big tip I recommend is to start building a regen set and hotkey with outfitter. Switch over during any downtime and hotkey back to main set before entering combat. You'll gain mana like a god and your overall healing in raids will be fire. This is also extremely valuable while leveling and further reduces time to 60
Regen all the mana like a rogue should
patiently waiting for the warlock video ;p
Got a bit more of a wait im afraid, Priest is next tomorrow, warlock will be the following week. Takes times lol
I'm also keen for your lock video!!!
*Ric flair enters the room*
Woooooooo
@@arrowman3848 Soon!
WillE Would also much appreciate Warlock :)
WillE you are quick ! Thx for the Warlock video.
Stumbled across your channel! Great stuff! I'm looking forward to that priest video next, and hopefully that will help me make up my mind as to which three characters I'll claim right out of the gate. I'm seriously struggling to decide what to play this time around.
Hey should have priest tuesday ish, also thanks!
Just discovered your channel, loving the content! Got yourself a new sub
Cheers!
no tanking?!? evasion tanking was one of the most exhilarating few seconds possible in the entire game!
High geared rogues had absolutely insane dodge chance in Vanilla. Had many a raid where the tanks died but the rogues just wouldn't die from boss aggro after.
Yeah maybe I shoulda given a mention, a rogue could be a real hero!
Just wait till they release a burning crusade server and you get rogues full on tanking black temple.
We finished Onyxia the first time with me evasion tanking. You just become an utter hero to your guild.
I don't really agree with your initial spec for combat swords for raids. Improved Eviscerate is more important than ruthlessness and improved gouge helps save healers from trash, as dodge / parry doesn't really do anything in a raid setting, but that extra 1.5 seconds is enough for someone to get a healing cast off or a self bandage if a stray whelp is gnawing your face. Also, the problem with dagger specs for later content is certain bosses you just can't backstab spam so the spec is dead weight. Combat swords is always the best though I did not do Naxx in vanilla so I could be ignorant of the fact.
Good points there. Specs are more centered around examples. I have seen good players spec either way. Daggers was limited by positions for sure but when you could use it later game it was so good. Could get super high crit chance with crit cap dagger spec and imp bs. Take that with seal fate and its awesome
Improved eviscerate is not a good pick, ruthlessness is way better.
@@Pobo_93 If you crunch the numbers into a spreadsheet eviscerate comes out slightly on top.
@Alistair Bolden Good optimization points!
You sound a little like Robert Webb fro Peep Show. He plays Jeremy Osborne! Anyway, Rogue player here from back in the day. Great series recap. Combat Daggers will hit the biggest amount of damage end game by a long way. Remember to spec that faster dagger in the off-hand! It's also amazing for PVP. Poisons used to be an issue in raids. Also, they had no effect on many bosses! Its been years, so i cannot remember where to spend your points. It just works very very well. Back Stab is a blessing in raids.
Ill have to look that up. Also thanks!
getting me hyped for classic! couple more weeks my fellow rogues =)
Nice profile pic! My rogue in Vanilla was a nelf
WillE haha same! Back in 2004 so thats what ima do with launch, fuck ittttttt
Combat dagger rogues were some of the highest dps in the game and ler you merk someone in an opener with thistle tea.. was nasty af the good old days
I just can't decide between warlock and rogue... I find them really cool both for different reasons. What puts me off from just picking rogue is basically that it will be hard to gear up because of competition..
7:38 Quite contrary, thanks to the access to great daggers and +weapon skill the dagger spec is way to go early on. Sword spec becomes better choice once you get CTS+Maladath combo in BWL.
Good point cheers
Hope they keep it Deathstriker instead of Felstriker; DW + Crusader, the nostalgia!
@@cwimalas it was always felstriker
dragonfang blade off vaelastrasz is sexy af tho
@@rinse261 It was Deathstriker at first indeed. They changed the name in 1.3.0
Rogue warrior or hunter. I absolutely cant decide
Same but instead of hunter I'm thinking about a holy pally.
I mained hunter in vanilla and was really tempted to go hunter again. But I've been deciding between mage n rogue but gonna go orc rogue I think.
Anybody remember the lvl 19 rogue twinks??
Rogue. Funnest class in WOW hands down.
Nice vid, covered a lot of key areas which some channels miss - I think the only thing you could have added would be race choices / racials
True! That would be a good addition. I want to stay consistent across this series however. I will cocer races seperatly
For tier sets, you did miss their incredible dungeon set 2 4 set bonus.
Yeah i just chose to focus on t1,2,3 for all classes to keep vids not too long but you are right!
Bloodfang 100 % best looking gear set of any game at any time.
Idk man, Bloodfang is super slick, but the season 2 horde platewearer PvP gear was nuts
The main point of weapon skill isn't about "landing hits more consistently" and it certainly doesn't become "less important later on." I think you're confusing warriors that turn their autoattacks from white hits into yellow hits (making them not benefit from weapon skill) with rogues who are always reliant on their white hits to do damage.
The main point of weapon skill is to reduce lost damage from glancing blows, which is why it's very important to have at all gear levels.
True I should have worded it better. It does increase your chance to hit by a tiny amount though
@@WillEmmo the first 5 points of weapon skill over 300 increase your hit chance by about 3%. this person is working with outdated information.
@2:19 What´s that mod? Looks super useful!
These are some of the best classic WoW videos I've watched. Period. Very good. Thanks!
I can't state how much I loved Subtlety. Mainly for exploring. Back in Vanilla I used to use Shadowstep to get up on top of Ironforge, up on the airport and the farms by using it to step behind a sheep that was always on a cliff top (and still is in Classic I noticed). It was great if you enjoyed exploring. Rogues may be called upon to open a lot of locked boxes too, as well as a couple doors if I recall. Some of your poisons you could actually pickpocket off enemies. There were healing potions too, but I don't recall if they were in Vanilla or not. Fun spec to level anyhow. Again, I usually don't care much about end game stuff as much as leveling.
Shadowstep in vanilla?
@@robofat Now that I think about it, I think Shadowstep was added in BC, so not quite vanilla. (it's been a while, memory is fuzzy, LOL)
I rolled warlock in TBC. I felt like food to the melee classes most days especially being a gnome and facing WotF.
When at the end of TBC I broke down and made a rogue. The toolkit was so much more intuitive. Once I got past the 20’s slog i became a monster but not more so than when I hit 50 and could pick up shadowstep.
Suddenly I’d pop in and burst down enemies in an instant or rupture, garrote a warrior and pop away to mob before they knew what hit them.
I was a well oiled killing machine each skill and ability seemed to compliment the other with the singular goal of locking down and destroying your opponent/s. There’s nothing like it in the game. Except maybe resto druid? Which felt like an amazing battlefield healer.
I am not saying rogue isn’t hard sometimes just that the toolkit is fluid, dynamic and deep enough you can almost always see how you could’ve come out on top or escaped (like Druid). Obviously warriors were better melee and absolute wrecking balls at cap with a healer. But beyond maybe levels 20-30 rogue is an amazing experience.
@@OpiatesAndTits The Paladin was my favourite during Vanilla, in TBC it was a shadow priest, and in Wrath it was a mage. The last character I absolutely loved before I basically quit the game was the Balance Druid. If I had to choose only one, it would probably be my Arcane Mage. Love the ability to teleport to anywhere in the world.
okay, I'm still a lvl 29 rogue in Classic, going up the sword path and I have a question- you all talk about oneshoting other players in pvp or rogue being the cc train, but how do I even nuke someone like that in pvp? I'm questing around Hillsbrad right now and I don't want to just run away when factions are fighting near yeti cave or something. what abilities should I use for maximum pvp burst efficiency? also pve, all guides I see are just "X skill is your main combo ability" but what should I even use besides that?and during leveling? garote, spam sinister strike to 5 combo points and then eviscerate? but there is also the dot and the attack speed buff and I'm getting confused here :(
So eager to see your review of the vanilla Warlock!
soon!
I just looked for that too! :)
@@deaconsyxx322 soon!
When does classic come out/how much is it for a US player? Considering getting back into WOW!
27th august. you can download the game and make 3 caracters if you have a subscription in like 2 days
I do wanna play a Rogue for PvP reasons, but it will be harder to find a party.
If you are good at the class word will get rpund and then people will want you over others trust me
I personally never went with the Ebon Mask... sure, it's a solid item and usually offers more DPS for you than the other two items.... but the -fall damage on the cloak has impressive utility in some of the BGs, allowing you to drop down most any of the cliffs in AB without breaking stealth.
both the other rewards offer harder to replace bonuses. Hell the ebon mask looks pretty lackluster compared to BRD drops once you examine what the stats give. Like If I remember right... the ghostshroud would give like .5% crit from it's agility and between the strength and agility on it was around 31 ap AND it gave you more health to stand in fire. Now granted it IS a higher ilvl item, but both are going to be stuff you run into around the early 50's. That said... jumping off the great lift and surviving is a good selling point for the cape, it also makes those LM => BS or BS => Mine rushes easier since you'll be nowhere near 'critical' health range with that drape on.
If my memory serves, the LM=>BS and the BS=>mine drops were actually within non-damaging range at certain points while you had the cape (The way they coded it, it pushed back the distance you could fall without taking damage in addition to reducing damage taken after you surpassed the new threshold), allowing you to retain stealth. It was also pretty handy when farming rep for the Wintersaber since you could drop down into the crevice at one point and onto a tower, and then drop down from the tower with minimal loss of HP at one of the drop zones.
Can someone explain to me the mechanics of poison charges? Is it viable to use in dungeons or raiding, if you might even run out of charges during a fight?
So each attack has a chance to apply a poison, some enemies may be immune to nature damage too, so it will do no damage.
You deadly poison does do more damage, but takes time to stack up and isnt used in Raids as it takes a debuff slot
Damage wise you want instant poison most of the time, and it can run out mid fight if you start with low charges, they aren't used up very fast
@@WillEmmo Okay, thanks. I used to play Rogue from WotLK (Priest in Vanilla) and am torn between Rogue, Mage or Hunter for Classic.
Have my sub my man! nice content, keep it rolling=)
man i cant wait until burning crusade classic comes out🤔
loved stumbling on the videos thanks for the insight
Thanks!
Rogue and Warrior are my favourite classes =) What I like the most about rogues is lockpicking and stealth.
Can you maybe explain me how you go about leveling lockpicking? Do you just randomly find boxes and chests that you can try to open and if you succeed you level up? Or do I need items or something before I can try lockpicking?
@@sudoku3830 You level up lockpicking pretty much like herbalism or mining. You have to lockpick chest or doors that you're able to lockpick.
@@facundomoralesdiorio3802 Thank you :) any chance I can do that naturely while leveling or do you need to go out of your way, too, like with most professions?
You'll have to travel to some locations where you can find treasure chest that will level your lockpicking skill once opened. It isn't that time consuming though.
Can you tell me why warrior’s your favourite? I’m rolling as our group’s tank and I’m trying to talk myself out of abandoning my responsibilities and playing rogue instead
hey willE what will you be playing in classic?
Hi, im gonna be a warlock - ill have a vid for them soon!
I got an amezing idea for a video! One where you pick the top 10 times classes had a special job in raids(classic ed)
Nice! That could be pretty cool actually, ill look into it, thanks Dan!
im re-watching this one, the priest vid, and the mage vid to figure out which one I want to play.
I started late classic early TBC and played a rogue. Loved it.
Starting in Cata i switched to a mage. Loved it.
Legion-BFA I played priest. Loved it.
IDK WHAT TO PLAY!!!
Im a serial re roller too, I know the struggle!
I played Warrior main and Hunter alt during Vanilla, so in Classic i'll roll a Rogue.
this is how u balance a server with 30% of people playing rogue
And the rest 70% are mages
Rogues are pretty unpopular on my server , especially on alliance side. Its like 30 percent warriors 40 percent mages and like 10 percent rogues
@@tekenertehee thats a good thing you get more gear from it im doing like 800=1000 dps atm on vael its like 1.6k could be better but my point is rogues are in high demand when it comes to damage
Great job. This was so comprehensive!
Thanks!
That intro is so perfect.
Playing rogue becuase my uncle made it look cool to my 11 yr self
Stabbing from behind eh?
Ulysses Yang fr lol , rogue aesthetic too nasty
BlackHawk CZ this just gave me a boner
Liked and sub! Keep up the hard work. Much respect from me for start a new channel. Quality content. :)
Thanks Alex!
Love these videos! Excited for your Priest one.
Thanks, should be out late tomorrow!
My first ever char was a Tauren hunter fallowed by a troll warrior and then a Belf mage then I dared to dabble in the rogue class on a private server in BC days...when I got my retail account I made 3 main alts, my mai was a mage because using 3 types of magic to decimate tons of mobs was awesome, those 3 alts were a hunter a rogue and a druid. I lost that account to a friend... but ever since I've always had a main rogue alt for ganks and pvp, and a druid alt because I was that ass that wrecked you then killed a mob onlly to hide in its corpse while stealthed so you couldn't see me from the Ghost Lands. Pro ganking cat 😃
Nice! Them cats are good in 1v1s
Combat daggers is #1 in mc
Subbed ;) gz on the 1k subs... Looking foward at more content :D
nice content keep it up u will be get the reward eventually and my main rogue lol
what do you say about remorseless attacks 2/2 for the first 2 points? wouldnt this speed up the leveling process on early levels a little?
Hey, id go straight for riposte, extra parry chance is actually a dps gain too since when you parry your swing timer is reduced by 40%
@@WillEmmo didnt know that, ty mate!
Question about the WSG clips, I noticed you were on alliance side as well as an orc in your party. Am I missing something?
He was probably playing retro-wow pserver.
What do you recommend for a starting human rogue (classic)?
Undead rogue with a seal fate dagger build I what I played in pvp back in vanilla on bloodscalp. Once I got my perdition's blade, killing clothies instantly in pvp was way too easy.
Hello guys, do you think i can go troll rogue for classic ? speedattack berserk on troll + slice and dice and blade fury is good no ? i've heard 60% of dps in classic is by normal attacks or should i go orc or undead ?
Hey berserking is 10 - 30% haste based of missing health, not as good as it is on live. For pvp, you could argue either orc or ud - im going to make a vid on races soon that will help. For pve orcs are better due to blood fury
if you go rogue on hordeside play orc its bis. 100%
So confused when he's undead fighting against other Horde in Bgs...
Private server.
Can't wait for warlock
Was the rogue class any good? Yes. Thanks.
I always liked the 10 extra energy talent as using daggers cuz of ambush and backstab.
WillE back at it with a classic classic!
Heya, thanks once again!