Journalist Calls for Games Industry to Stand up to Gamers
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I'm amused by how selective peoples sight is. I can put it in their face and they'll pretend to be blind :) - The audience isn't as dumb as most of them might have you believe.
"Mainly women" > *Bc they did NOT HIRE MEN* with intention > Even better, they *made MEN* a aiming target to be boycotted. Lit. not worthy enough.
*_Sweet Baby Inc. CEO Kim Belair made it abundantly clear the company wants to erase white male lead characters while the company’s employee Maya Kramer expressed her disdain for white people._*
_2016_ *Kramer* wrote, *“I’m a sucker for warrior ware so i bought Peter Panic Also: Idk why games featuring human characters are still so white and male.”*
_2014_ *Kramer* posted the same day, *“had a nightmare that i was a white male gamer.”*
_2012_ *Kramer* wrote that on Twitter along other racist things like "aport all the J's" which i can not write out, so disgraceful she is.
@Cyael the god of intros himself.
Nah Dude don't tell us to stop watching! 😢 It's contradicting the video. I can watch you even if I don't agree with you. We don't have to be so polarized right?
i do feel you kind of missed the ideological aspect of DEI.. as others have said marxists share your dictionary but not your definitions.. diversity, EQUITY and inclusion dose not correspond to the accepted definitions pf these words but to an ideological definition contained with in critical theory. even if some of these games were good (which they cant be due to the ideology) they would still be engineering the audience in to accepting an ideology that is the opposite of the principles of which the west is founded.
these games will never be good though because this ideology isnt just ion the games but in the way these company's are operated which means while their employees look diverse they must also accept the ideology of critical theory. you wont find any vocal black female conservatives at these company's and meritocracy is non existent.
with out the context of ESG, the ideology of critical theory and the stated agenda to destroy existing western culture you will never have the full picture of what is happening in any of these industry's
I feel like the game industry now is equivalent to this:
You go to a restaurant and order a ribeye, medium rare. The waiter asks "are you sure you don't want a new york strip, well done, instead?" You say no, you want the ribeye.
After a bit, the waiter brings out a well done new york strip. When you ask why, they just insist you try it. You do, and it isn't very good, and definitely not what you wanted.
The waiter then gets visibly upset that you did not prefer what they brought you, and insists that you will have to eat it anyway, because they refuse to bring any other food.
Instead, you leave and go to the mcdonalds across the street. You order a big mac, you get a big mac, and you are happy - because even though it isn't an expensive, high quality steak, at least you got what you asked for.
McDonalds is pretty expensive these days... especially for what you actually get.
It's more like an entrepreneur who opens a beef restaurant in india, the restaurant doesn't go too well and so he blames indians and insults their religion
People have forgotten they have a choice! Don't like it don't buy it, there fixed it for you!
@@angelafahlenkamp9311That's a common saying people haven't forgotten about. I think they just grew wise to the fact that it doesn't work.
Even the game that popularized the saying now has people praising it because the devs made an even worse sequel.
Don’t forget you also get labeled an ism
Two things are important here:
- most of the Games industry are not on the side of gamers -- they are on the side of stock holders (exception: companies that are not traded on the stock market)
- most of the media (newspapers, tv media and even online media) are not on the side of gamers, because they earn their money from the big corporations (which are on the stock market) and/or are traded on the stock market themselves.
So, who is on the side of the gamers? We are on our own side, and some smaller companies (very few) are too. We should support them, instead of the big ones.
I really can not comprehend what happened and how in the fk displeasing your customer will make your stock grow. In any other industry i am familiar with that will do the opposite.
@@sinner5452 Oh, I know another: Ask Dismay.
@@sinner5452 BTW: For media, we are not the customers. We are already the product, the real customers are the advertisers.
@@sinner5452Look into BlackRock, ESG, and DEI. Basically, one of the richest companies on the planet wants woke trash ideology to dominate western culture, and they are spending the money to make that happen. Even if nobody buys these shitty games, they’ll keep getting made since BlackRock has basically endless funds to pull from.
@@What_do_I_Think Yeah, media is different obv, i know some sites built exclusively over hatewatching =) But for devs that make no sense.
Disney is quite strange thing. Their stock are pretty much stable if you substract covid boom. So probably they serve their customers exactly the dung they want to eat. For now. Will see tho, i'd bet they gonna fall soon, coz they keep pushing that sht harder and harder.
I think its times the Games Industry stands up to Journalist and listens to the people who pay their bills instead.
That's the entire problem... AAA doesn't have "customers" anymore, they have _"Clients"_ instead because they're owned by Global Capital. And Global Capital makes all of it's money from a literal speculation "Glitch" propped up by the Central banks and IP/Propety over-valuation. ..Which is leveraged directly against all the VAT and _Gains_ taxes they get out of actually paying. And now this valuation also includes other scummy things like Data harvesting (PSN signups) and theft of productivity through A.I. Training.
amen to that
That’s what they’re doing. You’re not a customer, youre a demographic. They’re trying to use arbitrage strategy, and essentially creating new stereotypes. These people like ‘this’, those people like ‘that’. They all hate this thing, so if we put ‘anti-hatething’ as a tenet of our product, we should net both groups with one product.
Looking at it as an engineer, it looks like they’re working on an iterative process to reduce the number of releases required to maintain a product audience, allowing for an increase in profitability by minimizing the staffing requirements.
@@metaphyzxx I agree and unfortunately game companies feel for the easiest sales tactic ever. They actually thought these diversity consultants and journalist actually know what the consumers want, because they showed them biased polls.
They already do, that's the problem. What you pay is an afterthought, a measure of this year's bonuses at best. You're not the one paying the bills, not for companies that massive.
Vote with your WALLET. This is the only voice consumers have that has any weight in a corrupt industry.
Only been buying indie games as of late. Not that it's very difficult, indie games have become very high quality and AAA not so much.
Edit: However we do have to keep in mind that the well-informed customer, while more common now in the age of the internet, is still not all too common in regards to the games industry. Most people don't keep up with news on games and will just see the commercial and be like "Oh, Assassin's Creed Shadows? That looks good, I think I'll buy that."
Dude, voting with your wallet isn't the ultimate solution. BlackRock pays out massive amounts of money to companies that push this woke nonsense. I'm sure they're getting a handout from some people who print money out of thin air and can't be discussed without being deplatformed. But the problem is that these woke companies are being bailed out again and again. There is no such thing as "get woke go broke" because woke will always be bailed out by people who do not like us.
No longer works for vanguard/blackrock give out loans so the companies who push dei or get bribed to use it in games wont go bankcrupcy and for those who dont belive it oh yeah why did fink say he would force woke apon the world with force in a interview then? that he know try cover up public
@@1mariomaniacit's worse. They dislike what's happening too, they haven't been having fun with games, so either they decide they've outgrown gaming or they double down because "it's product! I like product! Not liking product is MY failure!".
Yup. They can't make you buy these trash games.
*Any normal person:* So, if someone is into games, they're a gamer.
*Journalist:* Exactly. That is the term that encompasses all individuals who are actively supporting and enjoying this hobby.
*Any normal person:* Uhuh... So, what if a Taxi Driver said that Basketball courts should be forbidden to basketball players?
*Journalist:* What a hateful monster! He should stick to driving and let basketball players play their favorite sport! It's in the title! Basketball player!
*Any normal person:* Then, by your very own logic, why do journalists want to turn the game industry against gamers?
*Journalist:* What do you mean? You're not making any sense!
The solution for these issues is quite simple: Stop buying these types of games.
If there is ever a net benefit to consumerism, it's that consumers can stop buying the type of games they don't like seeing published. We have seen that happened with Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League.
its not that simple though, unless people know that there are companies who make those games woke like a mafia and companies are incentivized to be woke by ESG scores which is 30 trillion dollar funds managed by black rock, then you dont know what you are opposing or why and nor doe the industry, it must be called out ,everyone must learn about it and made an example of it, so it stops being done as a practice and then things will change.
right, pir8 and endlessly bash & trash bad games, if you want gaming to be better, it's your duty to smear and destroy the reputation of every pos that engages in this woke cultural vandalism, because if those corporations don't fold, they will just keep making everything worse. .
I don't buy any sports games and a lot of people don't.
They still sell.toms of copies and keep getting made.
@@a1goldenrunner this is splitting hairs, FIFA and (insert sports game here) aren't the type of games that have a monetary incentive to grift off of DEI and Inclusivity. However, Warner Bros definitely tried to do so and it made one of the worst modern games to date.
Yes, people will still buy games you don't like, and that's on them. But you have the choice. See a game company mistreat and abuse it's employees and consumers? Don't buy it! See a company that uses DEI and Inclusivity as a selling point of the game rather than focusing on good narrative building and gameplay? Don't buy it.
All it takes is for 1 to become 2, and then 2 become 4 and so on until thousands of people stop buying games they dont like anymore and companies actually start listening to the consumer.
It'll take months, maybe even decades, but things will slowly turn out for the better.
You clearly don't understand the current system companies operate under if you think this is at all possible. A better approach would be to encourage creatives to take creative control, thus encouraging Unions, dismantling incredibly flawed systems of pay that funnel money to ceos and shsreholders, etc.
The more I hear about how "inclusive" or "progressive" or whatever a game is, the more I assume the writing and quality is going to be sacrificed. As far as games with diverse protagonists, I really liked horizon zero dawn, mafia 3 (I joined late), ghost of tsushima, etc. Don't care if they look like me (white male), make it a good story with good gameplay and I'll f*cking play it. Shovel out lazy garbage where virtue signaling is the only thing you can market, I'm not gonna buy it. Same goes for movies.
Edit: oh yeah, monetization too. Ubisoft, ea, Activision, etc have generally been putting out lazy, over monetized garbage for years now. I'm not paying for that.
The people we trust have essentially been forced out over time due to how these websites operate. Jeff Gerstmann getting forced out of Gamespot for his Kane and Lynch review was probably the biggest turning point for me in how much I trusted review sites and whose interests they were more concerned about. We now seem to be in a moment where many game reviews don't reflect reality, and then more articles are ran to say it's actually our fault as the consumer for not liking X thing, or that we dislike it for unfair reasons. Gamers just want to enjoy games and feel like we got a good deal for our money, and there's been a complete breakdown of trust after getting burnt too many times.
It's funny how that one moment 20 years ago was burned into so many gamer's minds.
Gamespot was my place for gaming news and reviews, and the whole site was kitted out in a Kane and Lynch theme.
I go to the review, and it's brutally honest. A 6 for a review score if I remember right.
"Wow, Gamespot has a lot of journalistic integrity," I remember thinking.
Then they fired the guy, and I realized actually they had no integrity, and they wanted to make sure they kept it that way. I'm sure the rest of the staff got the message. Advertisers and big companies can never be given less than a 7 for a review score, if you want to go lower, just talk about your many gripes in the review, but keep it a 7.
So gamers were already aware of the conflict of interest between big companies and gaming journalism before GG started up in earnest. And the mainstream media has been lying about it ever since.
It just got a different flavor once the corruption became tied into leftist political theory, so that ideology could be used as a shield for what is really just normal human greed, laziness, and conflict of interest.
The reality is GamerGate was a massive success, they don't like it and they have constantly misrepresented what the movement was about and were able to control the narrative through support of mainstream media but gamers aren't morons, they saw what was going on. Most just decided to keep their opinions to themselves, but spoke with their wallets and purses.
The reality is the traditional gaming media shot itself in the face with the "Gamers are Dead" co-ordinated attack on gaming culture and it drew in a massive audience that was completely oblivious to the whole GG movement. If you look at all of the traditional gaming website traffic, the vast majority of it, and especially the sites that were involved in the "Gamers Are Dead" hit pieces have been hammered, some no longer exist, some bought out, rebranded, many of the journalists involved had a quick exit from gaming journalism. It was a blood bath. Anita Sarkeesian grifted, abandoned and fled the scene when the money ran out.
Everyone is all for diversity be it in film, TV or gaming, as long as it is authentic and you are not compromising storytelling or gameplay for video games. I think for video games, it is easy to just allow for options. Nobody bitches about BG3 because you can play whatever race and gender you want to be and you have control over the orientation of your character through gameplay. I think that is the right way to go about it, give people choice, have options. If some people don't want to engage with something then don't force them to.
If you are creating a product or a service and you are not making what your consumers want then you are not going to be in the business long-term. What we are currently witnessing is a market correction, the studios that produce crap are going to die, the ones that make good content will survive. It is what it is.
The fact that Larry Fink himself had a little angry outburst about throwing billions away on DEI in gaming and gaming being the only strong resistance against their "diverse" takeover says a lot.
Gaming is the only kind of media that requires human input to enjoy, and literally every single game is in some way, a pattern recognition puzzle that is scientifically proven to increase cognitive capability and recognition skills...
So is it really shocking gamers were the first, and only holdout to put up resistance to the "diversity" bullshit?
"Everyone is all for diversity"
Excuse you, I am not.
@@StarboyXL9 Everyone as in everyone that isn't a racist. You can piss off, don't give a shit about your opinion.
@@StarboyXL9When it's actually done right you don't think of it as "diversity" because it's just characters who happen to be "diverse" but they're really just characters who are written well.
@@Lunk42 No, I think of it as diversity. I want mono-racial media everywhere all the time.
Dude, if I want pizza, and you scream at me about DEI, feminism, and other political BS, I'll just go to the dude that just makes a good pizza and says, "have a good day."
They can't do that though. That's why when they pull up to a cake shop that doesn't want to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, they sue and cancel instead of taking their business to a more inclusive businesses.
Joe Rogan?
larry fink blackrck ceo who created DEI and ESG scores, his words "sometimes you need to force behaviours" thats all you need to know bout these arguments
Exactly right! What we're experiencing is a backlash that came from a lack of conformity to that attempted behavioral change. I think Fink didn't realize that folks weren't going to respond well to morality dictated by corporations.
He belongs in an asylum.
The shift from shareholder capitalism to stakeholder capitalism was meant to benefit
consumers
workers
society
shareholders
It was a great sales pitch I'll give them that, but the idea that workers and consumers are going to agree on what benefits society is laughable to anyone not sitting in a corner office.
@@douglasmurphy3794 Larry _Fink_ is; insane, like the rest of his *ilk* .
@@dontcallthemliberals3316 its was never about consumers and society lol corporations dont care bout that just their own pocket lol
Calling wukong a planet of the apes just shows how incredibly out of touch and how little research is done.
They're going for The monkey King, a huge Chinese mythology and honestly a lot of Asian countries have stories of the legendary character.
It's wild that they would attack them for discrimination, while discriminating against a culture
I guess it's similar to Ivy League schools, where discrimination is okay if you're against asians.
Has anyone read the Wikipedia article about GamerGate? I just looked it up to refresh my memory and wow... Lets just say, when I switch from English to my native language (Ukrainian) it's like reading about two different realities...
Bruh, gimme back my taxpayer money. I don’t like your country nor do I like the other one that your “comedian” of a leader is currently engaged in an expensive slapfight with.
@@Jolis_Parsec Bruh, give me back my oxygen. I don't like your attitude or how you lower the IQ of the chat every time you drag your knuckles across the keyboard.
I was around for GamerGate, so I know how much the media lied and gaslighted. It's what made me stop supporting Wikipedia and avoid it like the plague.
@@Jolis_Parsec LOL, mouthbreather
@@elitetripod4188 So sorry to have upset another Uncle Vlod smoocher. At this point, Pootypoot winning would be hilarious simply to watch you melt down even if it would ultimately mean not getting all that stolen taxpayer money back.
That "Journalist" is just a classic whinger. You are right in the fact that they are essentially taking a persons creative vision, and scaring them into stuffing the game full of their BS in a way where they can use that as a shield when the game inevitably dies.
If they want to "stand up to gamers", that's fine, they can do that, but we don't have to buy their products, and if they don't make games that gamers want, then it won't sell and they will fail, and if they try to get into a bitching match with gamers, then they will be shitlisted and none of their games will sell in the future.
We need to stand up to a the incel gamer crowd who thinks that every female character should look like a quasi underaged , sexualized object
@@konstantinkrastev4478 did you not pay any attention the video at all?
that crowd is the minority, and journalists and developers are using their wokeness and those gamers to shield themselves from the actual criticism that they receive
@@konstantinkrastev4478 Bro, slow down on the crazy pill. You look like the far-left equivalent of QAnon.
@@konstantinkrastev4478 Stand up to what? You can't make them buy games they don't want and if they're not interested in them they can say so. What would you be standing up to? opinions? To rudeness in their delivery of said opinions? I mean I don't get what you really want in this regard.
@@MadeUpNoun how is it a minority when one of the most popular streamers Asmongold was whining about why Stealler blade or near is so popular. Yeah, if you are selling adult "entertainment" and not games that's different than gaming, you are just a porn addict
0:25 if a game company talk behalf of game journalist i hope they okay with not getting money from gamers
It’s like what DJPeachCobbler said about “showing the dog”.
When the fact that there is a dog is a major component in the marketing for your otherwise non-dog focused game, it’s a sign that you have not made something compelling enough to sell itself and are creatively bankrupt.
You have no confidence in your product so you go “hey, there’s a cute dog! Look! You can pet him!” It’s the same thing, “Hey look! There’s a gay person! You can tell how gay they are because that’s the only defining characteristic we gave them! Please buy our game!”
DJPeachCobbler mentioned! I like his stuff
ESG is a real thing and it's what gives the developers a monetary incentive to diversify their game up the wazoo.
I've yet to see a success story of a big budget game taking that path.
Yeah this was kinda low info
The 90s and the 2000s were the best decades of gaming. I missed those days.
The "Wider Audience" doesn't exist, it's a strawman game developers made up in their own heads of people who want to play these shitty woke games. In game development there is no "Wider Audience" there is only "The Target Audience".
When i was young, the moto was "the consumer is always right", noe it seems to be "the consumer is an idiot and should stfu"
Its been 10 years since GamerGate. If these capitalists companies weren't profiting off of wokeness, they would have stopped years ago. Seems to me that the majority of people have no issue with wokeness so why would they change course. Just to appease the minority of people whining?
@@BoxHeadMidusMore like the AAA games conceived during the height of wokeness aka mid 2010s, only started releasing now when ppl finally got sick of wokeness.
Difference between the both sides is that one extreme is just that, some extremes. Whilst the other extreme sits in corporations in places of power and wants to normalize their extreme view.
No, it's that one is a more aggressive form of human decency that's co-opted by corporations to show they are decent people just like us and the other is bigoted insane apocalyptic levels of human filth that was enabled by social media existing and these cave people being able to talk to each other instead of being sad and lonely by themselves.
One is like ehhh, you're trying too hard and the other is like holy shit, you belong in the 1930s.
Activists are so incredibly short sighted. They want to push their message in all spaces at all times. They don't seem to understand that people pick up on patterns. So if you constantly push negative messaging, then they're going to associate certain things with negativity. So whilst the journo's loved to use emotional blackmail to call people istaphobes for not liking a certain product and it has worked on some people to push fear onto them, other people instead automatically assume something is bad when they see similar stuff in future. They're also incredibly impatient wanting to push change onto society faster than they're willing to despite western society being more progressive. Them pushing people's boundaries is exactly why they face backlash.
When people understand that a game is rigged to the point where they can not win, they're not going to play.
I think BG3 is a pretty good example that the majority of gamers dont actually have a problem with diversity in games, so long as the characters' stories are well written and believable. The actual problem is that companies think people are stupid and can't see through their cynicism. Its like how in the live action version of ATLA they removed Sokka's sexism because they thought it would offend people, but in the process made an episode that ended up being significantly more sexist than the original
there's absolutely no room for defending the rot that is Sweet Baby Inc. and companies similar to them. It's all about self-pats on the back and profit. That kind of enforced inclusivity does absolutely nothing but harm to any demographic of people in any aspect of life. It's a complete opposite of creativity when it comes to entertainment. DEI is the number one enemy of good story telling. Nobody actually needs to feel represented in the game. If the character is amazingly written with a good moral compass, there's no color of skin, nationality, height, weight, etc. that will prevent me or any other person to feel "represented". You are the one that should aspire to something, a game, book, movie character doesn't need to aspire to YOU. People seem to have forgotten about this. Thanks to social networks like Insta, Twitter, TikTok, etc. everyone nowadays is hyper-focused on "exterior" image of anyone and not what they truly are, hence the bizarre obsession with the optics of the characters.. That's why you have these extremely shallow and one dimensional characters, with talking points which make them sound like they're from any propaganda guidebook... It simply needs to disappear from gaming and movie space.
A consulting firm does just that, consult. Changing the game is the developer's authority. In today's social media age, consulting people like that to check your game isn't doing some weird stereotypical inappropriate thing because your writers don't quite know how to write a certain minority is just good sense. Very few games do anything that would be remotely jarring and anti-creativity, but bigots will take issue with any minority even existing in a video game and these cave people see the extreme other opposite like that crazy SBI lady and just get dumber to defend their pathetic stances. Acting like all the games are really changed by this when there's like maybe 2 games that actually are.
@@albert2006xpconsulting firms absolutely have significant influence on decisions made by C-Suite. You are wrong. Game studios are now run as for profit only businesses. Consulting firms is a huge high paying industry. Take AC Shadows for example, Ubisoft claimed to have consultants help with their research, but really stole from creators, insulted a hugely proud culture and got historical facts wrong.
Gamergate was always about ethics in (videogame) journalism. The fact that they are still buthurt and lie about it, speaks for itself. In Germany we say: "Getroffene Hunde bellen.", which means: "hit dogs bark" and maaan...they do not stop barking, don't they?
They even go as far as to wear dog costumes.
"Ich identifiziere mich als Fuchs"
There was a _lot_ of bigotry making the rounds alongside it though. I don't doubt that for a bunch of people gamergate was just about ethics in videogame journalism, but that doesn't necessarily negate the idea that malicious actors co-opted it and turned it into more than just that. In the circles I moved in, the gamergaters rarely actually spoke about ethics in journalism, and mostly just regurgitated the same old hateful rhetoric you tend to see people like that spout. Perhaps they weren't "true scotsmen", I can't say, but that whole carousel is the reason I've distanced myself from the label "gamer."
I grew up with video games, I think they're great, but I won't call myself a gamer again.
@@Dojan5 Brave and stunning
@@Dojan5 To be honest I saw more people using accusations of bigotry to defend against accusations of being activists. Fast forward to today and we still get exactly the same tactics deployed.
@@Dojan5 continue to grow up you child
2 months later watching Concord and Star Wars Outlaws burn to the ground, it feels good man.
The scariest part is that people lost the ability of considering other people's arguments unless those arguments lend weigh to their own. It's the "if you are not with me, you are my enemy" mentality on both sides. If you generally agree with LGBTQ folks (let's say, about 80 percent of their ideas), but you are critical of certain aspects, you are immediately labelled as a "transphobe/homophobe/hater". There is no discourse, you are "cancelled". If you question the idea of "white patriarchy" and claim that many (not all) POC use the race card, instead of talent or effort, to climb the ladder, you are immediately given the "racist" treatment. Let's not even talk about folks like a certain lead editor at Kotaku who claims that "you cannot be racist against white men", and doubles down on this bull... even after getting a "community note" on Twitter refuting her insanity. And then the same person reacts with a surprised pikachu face when the opposite end of the spectrum comes up with a "white replacement conspiracy". The saddest thing is LD is right about the economic drive behind the DEI principles. Allegedly, the purchasing power of the LQBTQ people was around 3.7 trillion in 2020. It's clear that they are going for a yet unexploited market segment, and the whole "rainbow ally" ruse is aimed at gobbling up a potential source of growth (the only God businesses worship).
I just want to say that even among people that fit in the LGBTQ category like myself, if you don’t say the right things or hold the right opinions then you are automatically Homophobic, Transphobic, or whatever.
That’s right folks. Even if you are the Gayest Gay you can be, if you hold certain opinions or beliefs then you will be called Homophobic and bad actors will claim you have “Internalized Homophobia”
If thats true thats like a tenth of the us debt between about 1 percent of the us population.
@@robotjesus555666 More like 7.6% (2022). I too wonder how they got that dollar figure. Even if it's exaggerated, it is still a sizable market segment.
If they want to tap into the LQBTQ purchasing power they need to actually find a formula that works, the current model doesn't and it's baffling why they repeat it. I guess that's another thing, we can see the goal and method are not alligning, so speculate as to why.
@@armi999 every lgbt person im friends with hates rainbow capitalism with a passion for a reason, in place of preaching about how inclusive you are and selling rainbow mugs or some shit, why not ACTUALLY fight for us? which funnily enough they never do.
One thing I vehemently disagree with drops on is that the lgbt community is the focus of their "inclusivity" because its not, we can see through their bullshit, their actual target audience with all this is the ignorant cishet who see that they sell idk lgbt mouse pads and think, "hey, I will buy this to show the fact im an ally", lgbt people(at least, the ones I know) research companies like this, we know which charities and which politicians are voted on by the ceo's we know what they do with the money they get, most lgbt people I talk to don't even want to see a chik fil a for a reason.
I dont think games have a need to be inclusive. I believe a game should be the story that the creator wants to tell. For ubisoft the black man could have had a role similar to leonardo DaVinci or the could say we just think the idea is cool.
As far as the author of the article she outs herself. She hides behind the title of feminist instead of just being a gamer.
And games have almost always been inclusive. Tomb raider is a female led game that is iconic and beloved by nearly all gamers. She is the pinnacle of a strong female character who maintains feminity and dominates evil males constantly. But what the justification for her character being a woman. We thought it would be cool.
But we can look at characters like kitana MK Tifa FF7 women have been revered in games.
My point is the only reason a character should be something is cause the creator wants it. When its done to appease any sense of cultural need for inclusion the, the writing is going to suffer the gameplay is going to suffer, and the profit line is going to suffer
I don’t think people have issue with them making games that aren’t for white straight men. I think their issue is that white straight men are the ones who buy games and they aren’t buying the games that they’ve admitted they aren’t making for them. It’s a vicious circle, their audience does not want what they want to make, it’s as simple as that. They can try to get more PoC and LGBT and women into gaming but generally they have their own areas of interest. I wouldn’t say gaming is excluding them, although there is an issue with hostility towards girls from male players, but literally most women just don’t want to play to begin with so of course it makes sense not to make games explicitly for women that exclude males.
These movements are just stupid in my opinion. The first rule in doing business is to sell customers what they want, not what YOU think they SHOULD want.
By the way: your average gamers have never tried to prevent more diverse games from releasing, even if it simply were because THEY DON'T HAVE THAT POWER, so that argument is even stupider. What gamers DO protest against, is that beloved characters and/or franchises are being diversified simply to piss them off and supposedly to cater to a group of non-existent "new" gamers. Making the main character from Horizon a weird male/female hybrid instead of the more feminine character she was just to "prevent the male gaze" is stupid in my opinion.
And the hypocrisy is jarring: the same "actresses" (read: activists) who howl about how much they are being exploited for the male gaze, appear on the red carpet and at parties revealing far more of themselves than their game character does, because they KNOW that's what sells them to directors, show-runners and creators and they want those sweet dollars from the next gig.
It's time... for the games industry to stand up to the journalists. They are parasites on the gamemaker/gameplayer relationship. Their supposed value is that they act as communication between both groups, but as they have become deceitful and manipulative, introducing lies and fiction instead of communicating honestly, they have no place in the relationship any longer.
"Stand up to your customers!"
Yeah, that always works :D
Them claiming it's gamers against journalists is blatantly biased. It's people tired of yellow journalism, people tired of having propaganda spewed at them every time a game so much as moves a toe out of line of what is "acceptable". I'm sick of this whole culture of people being so scared to make the games they want to make so they hire venomous consultancy firms like Sweet Baby that only inflame situations because they're so heavy handed in their social justice narrative. Games are an art form and they should be made how the devs want them to be, not how some asshole in a boardroom or some random person in a coffee shop looking for a reason to offended wants it. We're so close to a reality of every game costing $100 while being a AAAA live service with a battlepass featuring a cast of characters that randomizes via procedural generation to get as much 'diversity' as possible. I think that's the day I get a new hobby.
Journalism needs to stay the fuck away from the gaming community.
what if they start saying what you want to hear?
These journalists are hacks and that's why studios like Arrowhead, outside of the Sony fuckery, are getting so much praise. Right there on their homepage - "a game for everyone is a game for no one". Heaven forbid game developers make games that their targeted demo actually wants.
And the gaslighting needs to stop - you can't tell me there's a concerted effort in the industry at large to push DEI checklists like black samurai's and the "uglification" of female characters. There's a trend and a pattern that's not that difficult to spot.
Historically, there is 1 instance of a samurai being black...and he was actually more of a "sword bearer/holder" than an actual samurai. Still though, as an Asian, it really irks me. I'm sure there have been whites and Asians in Africa...do you think these same devs and "journalists" be cool if there was a game set in Africa at a time before colonialism where one of the main characters was white or Asian? No of course not, they'd smear it as "whitewashing.
Brilliant video. You can apply this to a lot of the problems in the USA right now. As a guy firmly in the middle of a lot of things, I wish more people thought this way.
Unfortunately as everything is shifting further and further to the left, you will find yourself on the right sooner or later without leaving your position. Doesnt only apply to the US btw. In my country it is the same.
@@cirescythe I won't be joining the freaks on either side. I might have beliefs on both sides, but I'll always be open-minded and to logical ideas and opinions. I won't be swayed by fear or hate from either side.
@@coldsun1187 I call bullshit.
@@saygoodbyetoprivacy yeah the smell came in when you arrived.
@@coldsun1187 You can stand up against the cultural marxism destroying your society, or you can sit there with the fence post up your ass, too afraid of being called a bigot to take the side of sanity.
The game journalists (who’s consumers are gamers) are advising the games industry (who’s consumers are gamers) to hate gamers. And then shocked pikichu when they lose money. Can’t make this stuff up.
I see signs of misogyny too. It's coming from journalists and western AAA devs.
Yep... When you see how much they actively want attractive women to not exist... It's almost as if they're just jealous of those women.
BINGO! I've been saying this for a while. Whether it's movies, tv, or games, the studios have decided that identity and "inclusiveness" are what matters and they throw story under the bus. Most of the stuff coming out nowadays from "writers" is basically bad Tumblr fan fiction from 20 years ago.
(Haven’t watched the full vid just writing my thoughts will continue to watch in a moment)
I think the problem with journalists are that they ignore what gamers say except the overt negativity and ignore the genuine and usually way more spoken about criticisms of these games under DEI,
these games have no soul, only token characters of diversity that have either shitty personalities or none at all and they champion these diverse shitty characters as a good thing, when gamers know they could make genuinely good characters of diversity it feels like a spit in the face to at least me “we refuse to put effort in this character because we only cared about the checkboxes and not actually make a good character” like there are plenty of diverse characters in older games when they weren’t pushing for DEI in such an aggressive manner, sgt johnson, CJ,big smoke, barret(ff7), tifa(ff7), irish(bf4),roland(Bl1-bl2) just to name a few!
The journalists seem to have terrible ideas about pushing this stuff like “my way or you will be cancelled” and threatening people who speak about their idiocy and their horrible picks in news, and it is easier to make a news article bashing gamers than to make an article telling the companies that their game is shit and needs some changes,
"I think the problem with journalists are that they ignore what gamers say except the overt negativity and ignore the genuine and usually way more spoken about criticisms of these games under DEI, " And this is intentional. It's a classic propaganda technique.
They fail to mention the targeted harassment against Kabrutus by the likes of Chris Kindred. They literally tried to get his Steam account nuked. These people are demented. They got pissy because someone made a list to indicate what games they had worked on. Yet these same people made their own lists targeting streamers for playing "That wizard game"
I was very surprised to see this topic on the channel. I think you had a very balanced take here. It's crazy to see that while these games are not doing well games like TFD are still hitting over 100,000 players every day on steam alone. I think most gamers want what the "white male" gamers want. We just want good games with compelling characters that look good. I think they also forget that you can have characters that have conventionally unattractive features without the character being ugly. It's funny that I think TFD despite being a Waifu/Husbando simulator does better at this then the companies that want to be so inclusive
The moment you become an activist, you cease being a journalist. I was trying to find the earliest quote of an old newspaper paradigm that a journalist should tell the news, and never BE the news. What I found were constant reminders phrased in various ways, like this:
An extremely based and rational take on all of this
Some one get this man a medal.
They're right about us having no say in what games are made, but we have tremendous power over what game developers stay in business. Don't go to war with your customers; you need their support, but they don't need your products.
It's nice to see a video that is not too far off to one side or the other. It seems like these days, everyone is too concerned with the culture war, and they seem to forget all 90% of gamers want is good games. Ironically, if one side or the other put aside all their political agendas and just made good games, they would win the culture war by drawing the most people over with their games.
You're not going to get good games when companies are using wokeness and DEI in their hiring practices. Sorry, but there is no middle ground in this. Companies are using DEI to hire people based on their skin color, gender identity, sexual orientation, and political views, not based on merit, talent, or creativity. The leftist politics of the companies are the root cause of why games are bad. So you can have companies with leftist politics, or you can have good games... these things ARE mutually exclusive.
the world for the most part has gone the way of "extremism is the only option" and it sucks
Warframe has at least one gay couple (and I'm fairly certain there's other lgbtq+ characters in the game) but they don't put the fact that they are gay front and center. You could replace one of the guys with a gal and it would still make sense, because they took the stance of "these two people love each other" rather than "these two people are gay" and I feel like THAT is the kind of inclusivity that we need more of.
woke topics don't make any game good or bad, but lately they are often a sign that a game is going to be garbage.
the entire X-men series is about oppressed minorities (mutants), bigotry, etc.. the series even has references to systemic oppression via laws passed specifically to limit mutant rights. one of the main villains is a US senator. if SBI weren't attached to the Wolverine game it would naturally be crammed full of different woke topics and subtexts, and no one would complain because X-men is an awesome franchise and that is how the franchise has always been, but with SBI involved they will likely remove any form of subtle reference or subtext and players will feel like they are being lectured which tends to just annoy people and drive them away.
The way I always see it is like this: good writing asks questions, bad writing prescribes answers. A competent writer will make you think about problems, and maybe they'll propose solutions, but first and foremost they understand the morals and philosophy are complicated. There's no single answer. On the other hand, a bad writer will moralize and lecture the audience. They are spinning propaganda, plain and simple.
have you seen the images of Jean grey in wolverine😒
The funny thing is that Hypnospace Outlaw is a game that forgoes the so-called traditional "male-oriented power fantasy" and has plenty of characters of all different kinds of backgrounds and beliefs. It's also incredibly well liked by a majority of the people who've played it. The difference is that Hypnospace Outlaw is about paying tribute to an era of freedom and creativity online, respects the characters in the world (but will still poke fun at them in good spirit) and was an experiment in non-traditional game design. Sadly, despite it being everything """journalists""" like this one would praise, they'll never play it because it's a point-and-click adventure and would require them to actually think and solve puzzles.
I'm thinking the issue here isn't "gamers don't like anything that isn't X, Y and Z" and more "gamers don't like activism in their entertainment and would prefer a good, earnest and thought-provoking story with likable characters"
6:02 nailed it! It is exactly how I feel also!
They didn't need to scream they didn't need to call everyone bigots they didn't need to be obnoxious but they did and they fought a battle they couldn't win.
No one is messing with female romance novels stating that the men need to be more realistic. No one really says anything about the fact that every male actor basically needs to be a professional body builder and take copious amounts of steroids.
The idea that the writer of that article would call anyone else a grifter is laughable. At the end of the day the gamers are customers. Its not appropriate for producers to use their product as a platform for ideological pandering. Its staggering how these people have this entire process backwards. Keep making things people do not want, keep pandering to tiny percentages of the population. See what happens.
Look at a picture of Hestia from Hades 2 and I DARE you to tell me they didn't intentionally make her ugly as sin.
Perception is reality isn’t just an axiom, there is truth to it when talking about large numbers of people.
If a video game company is perceived as being a panderer or greedy or incompetent than part of the customer base isn’t going to buy games from that company. That person will tell their friends who like games to avoid those games.
PalWorld & Helldivers 2 showed the power that word of mouth still holds in early 2024. Black Myth WuLong and Space Marines 2 showed how an already highly anticipated game can grow exponentially by the same method in the middle of 2024, and I look forward to see which games can be the next big thing by organic, than than toxic, positivity.
I've been saying this for the last decade. The only thing this virtue signaling has done is to train the consumer to think inclusivity = bad.
I grew up on Star Trek, the real one, not the modern garbage. They knew how it was done. You don't advertise it, you NORMALIZE it. Because by signaling, you're suggesting you're doing something unusual. Something different. Something not normal. Old Star Trek had two women kissing and acted like it's the most normal thing that it should be. And that's what BG3 has done as well. It NORMALIZED diversity, it didn't point at it and go, look look look we're doing something speshul over here.
I maintain that around 80% of people are somewhere in *the middle*. Most of us tune out when either side (and it is both) start spouting their conspiracy theories. What makes it difficult, is that there is genuine evidence for both arguments. Not conclusive, and there is a lot of leaps in logic at times, but it is there.
The problem with a focus on diversity is the 'focus' part. Developers feel it needs to be included but also are terrified of messing it up. Either the character is "too stereotypical" or it's "inauthentic." There's supposedly a perfect middle ground and that appears to be a character devoid of any flaws or charm.
Journalists are a whole other problem. Because they're not really "Journalists." Most of what they write are Op-Ed pieces without much journalism. Or, has become all too common, actual research. Of course, that seems to be a problem across all media news outlets. As long as you're first, it doesn't matter if you're right.
As someome who is deeply against DEI the problem isn't necessarily becsuse character X or Y is from a certain sexuality or race, depemding ofmthe setting I'm pretty much expecting it, im fact.
The problem is that I find that hiring people based on race or sexuality instead of merit is wrong and, generally, it leads to catastrophe.
Tim Cain is one of my favorite game designers, along with David Gaider, neither of them are straight, and yet both have designed some of my favorite games because they were selected for talent, not for who they liked to rub themselves against.
@TheBayzent it's a situation that just doesn't have a good answer. I agree, hiring should be done on merit rather than superficial traits or (even more baffling) sexuality.
I don't think, traditionally, most LGB people had problems getting hired on merit. After all, what they did out of work was their own business. It only became an issue for them when they were denied the benefits straight people received for things like spousal insurance.
I think that DEI and affirmative action had the best intentions: make sure qualified and talented people didn't get overlooked due to prejudice. Unfortunately, no one thought that maybe there weren't enough "qualified" people interested in those roles. But because the law dictates that you have to hire a percentage of "X", then you had to hire the most competent seeming person who applied. It's not hard to see why that went wrong: if you're a PoC, you don't have to get among the best, you just have to be better than the others who look like you.
Which is to say, I'm not against what they are trying to accomplish, only the way they've gone about it.
Everything is racist and misogynistic to these professional victims. Idgaf. I’m boycotting anything remotely woke. The games always suck anyway.
Props for doing this so rationally and unemotionally. The way these people write is so nauseating and disingenuous, I can barely get through a paragraph 😂
I just want a game where the entertainment value for the player comes first and last. Otherwise, it's not worth paying for. Everything is expensive now as it stands.
If I want to be 'edumacated' I'll read a book. If I want social justice, I'll use those forums and channels. But if I just want to sink my teeth into a good story, forget about the real world, and let off steam by hacking monsters to bits I want a game.
Leave our games alone!
Generally, people don't claim to smell sh!t if there is no sh!t.
Often those people are covered in their own shit.
I hope this video goes viral. It is the best analysis of what's going on I've ever seen. You nail it on the head.
I subbed after watching this, you understand, most content creators/internet personalities covering these topics view topics similar to these with extreme biases and views, this isn't just a gaming industry issue too unfortunately, this is widespread among other forms of media like movies and even tabletop some how.
Thank you! God, why is it so hard to find anyone who acknowledges there's a big problem with the way games are being made, and doesn't subscribe to conspiracy theory or go to the other end of the extreme think spectrum. You pretty much summed it up perfectly.
Another thing with FF16 is I, as a straight player, can skip Dion's gay cutscenes, and I didn't miss out any major context, including Dion's inner conflict seeing the empire's downfall. So those who don't like them can still enjoy the rest, and it's one of the reasons why I love the game and even willing to buy it the second time on PC. The fact that players have a choice to not suffer through it and doesn't diminish the story.
"The customers always right." This is the basic business 101. You either listen to your customers or go out of business.
As goro majima says in yakuza 0 costumer is king you please costumer you get money you don’t you get shit
The same week Ring of Power and House of the Dragon came out. Everyone loved HotD, no one complained that the protagonist is a woman in a misogynistic world, that there are LGBT and non-white characters. Because the series was good, with good characters. While everyone (or almost) thought RoP was totally crap.
There are definitely trolls but they are not the majority.
In video games it's the same. There are plenty of video games with women, nonwhite or LGBT characters. Life Is Strange for example got great players reviews, almost (there is always some trolls) no one complained about playing a woman, whether there were LGBT or black characters.
There are far more games with female, LGBT, or non-white protagonists that are liked by players than the other way around. The media only talks about bad games that aren't liked because they're paid by the studios to say the game is good and that those who don't like it are bigots.
Inclusivity has never once been a problem. Everything from Lara Croft to Blade to freaking Liberace proves that US culture has been accepting of "others" for decades. The problem is that what they call "inclusive" is transparently exclusive. They are trying to erase and demonize whites, and especially white males. You can't scream for "equality" while trying to tear others down. I was a fan of the "She-Hulk" comics as a kid. Do you think I'm going to watch the show when all they do is tear down Hulk and make him into a joke? Hulk was my role model, the only superhero I related to. No, I'm not going to applaud them for smearing him in order to make her look great. The all-chick Ghostbusters could have been an entertaining flick. All they had to do was make it its own thing and acknowledge the original. Instead, they made it an almost shot-for-shot remake. Fans weren't pissed about gUrLz. They were pissed about the attempted destruction of a beloved classic.
The woke crowd is fighting a war that ended decades ago. They're attacking people who have done them no harm. They are hypocrites doing the exact thing they say people should never do.
As a member of a minority, there is a clear difference between representation, and inclusivity. I love representation. I love games and other media that allow me to better empathise with characters, allows me to see parts of me that i struggle to find around, or forced to hide away. Representation is supposed to represent things: common experiences and struggles, common ideas and hopes of a group of people. There are countless examples of representation in media that was done right. But i hate inclusivity. Abusing identities of margenalised groups for "social score" or whatever is foul. This is usually done with absolutely zero taste or any consideration. In reality, identity is not separate from character. My personality is not my identity, but because of my identity, there are certain characteristics i have.
As a writer, characters in media should not have traits or identities without purposes. As a writer you are free to make a character that is not white cis-het male. But then don't make their story a typical white cis-het male story. Represent minorities, don't just include them.
It pains me greatly to see, how this abusive tactic of tasteless inclusivity drives people into biggoted beliefs, when in fact it's not another black woman who's ruining your beloved franchise, it's the white billioner who abuses the identity he couldn't care less about.
to this day "the owl house" has the best repressentation ive ever seen, its not a "major selling" point or anything, the show just shows how people with disabilities and different identitities exist
if you can't "empathize" without them looking or being like you, you aren't showing "empathy", you're self-inserting and feeling bad about yourself having a negative experience.
@@ViddyOJames Okay and? first of all, you are not arguing my point, and instead decided to unnecesserily correct my wording. Second of all, you're completely wrong about empathy and empatyzing as concepts. Empathy is not limited to sorrow.
Representation matters. It empowers, and makes people less afraid to exist, and gives hope. It gets rid of dreadful loneliness. When your internal experience puts you to being at risk of going to jail for 12 years, you kinda need these things.
BG3 certainly caught backlash...after all an entire Southpark episode was made about it and Star Wars all over 'woke'. It's more of an example where even with those things if the quality of your game is that good then it's going to win out over everything else.
It's always so entertaining when they get mad we don't blindly consume garbage
Annnnnd I have subscribed. Good to see a level headed individual covering games
Vote with your wallet, $$ speaks louder then words lol
The devs at Black Myth: Wukong were offered a "political Correctness Consultation" which suggests changes to be made to a game to hit a diversity quota they believe will reach the widest audience in the West. The devs of Black Myth: Wukong declined this offer and refused to pay for the consultation which would cost them $7mil. The IGN mistranslation just added fuel to the fire and turned it into something it wasn't. It wasn't a political hit piece, it was shitty journalism that lead to backlash. I don't know anything about the game and I'll wait till it releases to see if I want to buy it, but the people buying the game because it "sticks it to the woke gaming industry" are equally sheep in this situation. But hey it's not my money they are spending. Like mentioned in the video, most people have no issue with diversity or female characters. It's when that diversity is used to market the game and in turn sacrifices good gameplay or story to do so that most people have an issue with. I grew up liking strong female characters when the message that they were strong female characters wasn't shoved down my throat. Ripley from Alien and Sarah Connor from Terminator come to mind of well. And there are tons of really good female characters in gaming, many remember Lara Croft, but even in recent memory characters like the one shown in the gameplay of this video, Melinoe from Hades II is a cool female character and I genuinely enjoyed my time playing the game (or what's currently available of it). Great video LD, looking forward to more!
I've never heard anyone so accurately describe this issue from every angle so on the nose and accurately. This video should straight up be required viewing in college for college for those working towards the entertainment industry and journalism.
This simply proves the end user is not their main customer.
Some one else said this about star wars, that all the new shows suck, so they advertise it as inclusive, so that criticism can be dismissed as racism .
I'm pretty tired of dishonesty in how journalists communicate about these things. They do not do honest reporting. They will leave out important facts that would absolutely change the reader's opinion on the topic if they knew them. They also use ad hominem attacks, strawman their positions and all sorts of things. It makes it impossible to agree with them. And just because the anti-woke crowd does the same thing does not excuse them of their own dishonesty. I don't like the anti-woke crowd either. I have no problems with trans people and such. It really bothers me when the anti-woke side attacks them, as if they equated that being trans == activist, when this is obviously not true. Very disturbing, and their audience can't see the problem with that either. So both sides have major problems with their positions. I just want this to go away. I don't want to see this political culture war and pandering and tokenization in my games anymore. It's so exhausting.
I think if you want to make a DEI game, it should be more like Life is Strange - the very first one. That game is fantastic. Very well written and a very good example of a game in its genre. It got many GOTY nominees and awards, and it also sold pretty well too. This is what these folks should be striving for instead of the 100's of DEI games that are complete trash.
"Players have begun to perceive wokeness in games as a bad thing because of the association between diversity and bad games"
NAIL ON THE HEAD!!
I've come to the conclusion that the issue is not diversity. In fact, everyone says they'd play diverse games if the games were good, and if the stories are good (shoutout ARCANE for being proof of this). Frankly, what game companies, SBI, and game journalist BS have done to damage the perception of DEI is the most damning thing I can think of. DEI btw, has existed for a long time and been a core part of business since the 70s IIRC. We were all fine with it until it became weaponized in the margins to weed out bigots, who may or may not actually exist.
There used to be a running joke "everyone is a little bit racist, sometimes" that has aged like sour milk. It's 100% true, but rather than being aware of our own biases we are told we aren't good people if we have them in the first place while the same people say loud and proudly that "you can't be racist to white people".
Just... F that.
How can you say DEI is not part of the problem when they are hiring talent less people because of it? When you hire base on race gender sexual orientation and political affiliation and not talent or passion when you see this industry infested with activist and you come and say is not the problem really?
“Gamers do not have the slightest impact on which games are made.” Right, but we do have an impact on which games sell.
This is such a cope. Of course they do. When a game doesn’t sell, they aren’t making a sequel. When something bombs, studios get shut down. We watch it happen all the time.
A lot of devs started out as gamers and still are, so yes they fucking do.
@@GangstarComputerGod I don't completely agree. I'm not saying you're wrong either. Sometimes sales matter, sometimes they don't. EA for example are great at buying up studios that sell bangers and then proceed to shut them down anyway for example. Final Fantasy 7 (which I actually don't like and think is over-rated) sold like hot-cakes, and had mad demand for a sequel, or remake, or remaster, which square ignored for a VERY long time, and kinda took a crap in the face of those fans by doing that instead with Final Fantasy X-2 and XIII.
Halflife 3...
Then the reverse happens sometimes too. Nobody wanted Watchdogs 2, but they made that.
Kinda struggling to brianstorm more. I bowed out of the AAA gaming industry over a decade ago so please give me some slack here. I'm just saying that gamers can play an important role yes, but publishers have an unhealthy level of power that when they have their head up their ass, CAN completely bypasses what gamers want.
@@Ghalion666 ea made banger but not on their standart sales: studio shut down.
square is not ignored them, it just they take a lot of time while developing their game, like really long time.
WD2 is here because the sales from WD1 exceeded the target, or something along those lines.
idk about HL3.
i like spreading misinformation
@@Ghalion666 you’re right. I just can’t understand what the end game is. Eventually lack of sales matter. Current year seems to disagree but I’m not sure how there’s any future for companies creating games that aren’t profitable.
"By ignoring the existing audiences you are radicalizing those audiences against you."
You hit the nail on the head.
maybe thats the whole point from beginning - class war :/ .
Division is a prime example of this , for years Ubisoft has ignored the player base, they now have barely anyone left playing the game, seasons have been old content rehashed, for the last 4 years, no new meaningful content, and the DLC that was announced for earlier this year... postponed to next year, all while pushing as much overprice cosmetics down our throats as possible to milk the cash cow, I finally woke up to it about six months ago and deleted their game...I dont blame Devs for this, most of them want a more polished game, but are held back by corpo bs , trying to nickle a dime the player and greedy shareholders who want more more of the profit. I had played religiously for around 5-6 years with around 1800hrs in Div1 and twice that in Div2, but there more interested in enticing a new player group than looking after their core group of veteran player.. the ones that made them who they are, so yeah you're dam straight...... "By ignoring the existing audiences you are radicalizing those audiences against you.". i'll probably never play Division 2 again. let alone waste my money on Div 3 if there aroud long enough to make it. But hey im just a toxic gamer what would i know right?
I play games to get away for the daily BS, chillout and relax... NOT HAVE WOKE AGENDAS shoved down my throat. I'm so sick of this minority group BS, been forced on us, being told what to think, what to say, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, the actions you take though... the things you do, they have consequences and now Ubisoft is reaping what they sow and I hope they burn to the ground cause I got a big ass pack of marshmallows waiting.
Video games are built on gamers developing pattern recognition. It's how you determine what enemies will do and what bosses will do for you to react to in order to beat them.
So it's wild that developers and journalists would think gamers wouldn't apply pattern recognition to the industry itself.
exactly, its like when sony tried to require people to sign in to helldivers 2 using sony accounts.
the game trained people to come together to fight an enemy
and they couldn't predict that they would become that enemy?
Pattern recognition is an anti semitic dog whistle.
Especially since pattern recognition is one of those things that humans do REALLY well.
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."
@@noseriouslyimserious4073 @travismcnasty4239 Dudes, this is getting out of hand. Not everything is an antisemitic thing. Don't let random nazi's claim every single concept possible. Pattern recognition is a pretty crucial concept in many philosophies, fields, sciences, etc. Check other shit to make sure if it really is a dog whistle or not...
The solution is simple: _Stop giving money to people who hate you._
Yep
stop paying taxes? that's illegal.
@@undefinedother Touchee
I said the same about ubisoft, blizzard and PSN accounts. People still kept signing up for them like good little slaves...
@@Alexander_KaleWell, signing up for an account and paying money for a product are a bit different, but I understand the sentiment.
"Standing up to the gamers" is why the industry is as bad as it is right now.
Theres more spite and hostility than creativity in modern gaming especially in the AAA industry.
In any other industry in the world it would be completely insane to "rebel against your customers".
It would be like someone buying out Papa John's, paying full price for the ip, and then changing it to a vegan smoothie stand and then wondering why none of their existing customer base wants to come in anymore.
@@RevantTK421(slow clap)
They hate everyone who doesn’t think exactly like them.
@@RevantTK421 theyre doing that, but want the existing base to leave.
@@jimmythecrow Yeah I don't get it. Why Pay like 6 billion dollars for Star Wars if you are only interested in like 8% of the audience?
Gamers are the customer, not "journalists"
It's time for "journalists" to get over themselves.
Not really the case for quite a while(however sad it is to admit this) . The customer are the shareholders. People who buy the games are considered a product
The journalists are all the non-stageside part of the theatre kids ehich run the world in the private managerial class sector
Journalists are the mouthpieces for the people trying to "force behaviors" from the top. They're the spreaders of Fink's ideas.
@shadowkhan422 Sure if you're talking about the kind of crap games I've not bought in over a decade. The big companies can go to mobile and stay there, it's what they want.
@shadowkhan422 And yet studios keep closing down.
That's not a journalist, that's an activist
It's pretty hard to find a difference these days.
That's an underpaid shill for the corpos up top
activist implies they care about someone other than themselves, they don't, utilizing their identity politics is the only way they have a place in their industry.
Not even an activist. Just a narcissist trying to get attention about problems they are part of perpetuating. They are too focused on "Winning" to realise that there is no real war going on...
Why is video game "journalism" even necessary?
Just play the game, if you don't like it, find another, if you can't find any you like, make one that you do like.
Oh wait that requires more creativity than just complaining, which s what "activism" really is, just complaints.
The problem is the industry, not gamers.
I've given up on the AAA Industry and I have yet to be shown that stance is leading me to miss out on anything. Now, there are garbage gullible Gamers who use the garbage state of the games industry to push their garbage. However it's because the games suck that these idiots can even be taken seriously. I got caught up in the Anti-fem garbage of the original Gamergate. I was annoyed at how useless Games Journalism was in general at the time.
Now Games Journalism is dying and being reborn in a new industry that is being built inside their rotting corpses. Some by Companies trying to use AI to automate certain processes by scrapping from other sites. And others, independent Journalists building from the ground up on their own platforms.
So yes you are technically for the most part correct, however the nuance that is missing is why you are.
@@MeatyZeeg It isn't just Game Journalism. It's ANY field of journalism. Indie journalists are taking over simply because they're the only ones that are actually reporting instead of playing at being activists.
Also, blackrock and vanguard.
Primarily industry, but gamers are not created equal. You have your extremists on either end and it becomes more prevalent as times goes on. Gamers can have bad takes on something or better ignored when their suggestions water down a game, because sadly, casual gamers make up the majority and are catered to. They tend to want remakes despite it being an easy out for developers and publishers and will ignore DEI or bad decisions made with them because they are loyal to a brand IP or developer and not what is true of that IP.
Well, to be more precise.. the AAA industry.. indie development is doing just fine for the most part. And fine by me.. way too many companies are losing sight of what got them there in the first place. So they can continue to fall and we can see people with better ideas and games rise up.
Stand up to the people who pay for your products sounds like a swift way to go bankrupt
4 weeks later yeah thats exactly how its going to sound like right now
Activists are saying “pay attention to us, not your customers”. God pity the companies that fall for this.
Disney is losing billions. Budweiser did as well. Tractor Supply, John Deere, Gillette, and now Harley Davidson… all have said “the activists matter more to us than our customers…” in one way or another… and they can’t go out of business fast enough in my view.
Activists literally don’t care if the games industry survives. Their attitude is: live by our rules, or die. They would be happy seeing every game studio end entirely.
I really like your stance on this situation. Just remember, it’s no coincidence that all the bad designers and bad writers Are the ones shoveling DEI. they cannot create anything, they don’t have a single creative bone in their body. So they take over beloved franchises, bastardize them, and make you watch as they burn your favorite franchise to the ground.
They fired all the talent, this is a propaganda campaign, and it is being funded
Oh look, an ACTUAL sane opinion.
prop for what exactly?
@@aouyiu "force behaviors"
@@aouyiuThere are several extremely wealthy individuals who have stated that their goal is to compel action with these initiatives. They're the major backers for many of these companies.
@@DerekS-kq3zh and they are? and what did they say?
The ice cream industry really needs to Stand Up To Its Audience.
Forget ice cream, you will eat our new product "fire sand" and you will like it!
@@ser6Ijvolk sounds like a cyber drug.
Yall see than Ben & Jerry's youtube ad that has nekid people riding bikes... they have to censor their own ad so it can be advertiser friendly. Wild.
Drive away all those pesky ice cream -loving people = profit?
FOR TOO LONG the Ice Cream Industry has been DOMINATED by sugar and sweet flavorings! Which is why we here at Stupid Baby Inc will work as consultants with ice cream manufacturers for a more inclusive flavor profile of salty, sour, and bitter ice cream!
Spoken like these SBI people didn't try to get some random Brazilian dude's Steam account banned for all he did was making a Steam group listing all the games they are involved in.
They forget that, they need us more than we need them.
“Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”
In the meantime, I’m not even angry. I feel sorry for them, that they hate the world so much that they must destroy everything we love.
Outside of the occasional comment like this one, I’m generally a silent observer.
I’ll buy games I think are fun, and avoid those that aren’t. And let them see what I like, if they make things I enjoy, then they get my money, if not, then they don’t get my money.
Simple as that.
And I move on to other forms of entertainment.
Worst case scenario, I read old books, or maybe try taking up carpentry, or something.
I have a pile of Lego that needs to be built into something.
Again, we don’t need them. And their entire business is making things we will spend money on. They forget their role in this relationship.
People often forget that Mussolini owned a newspaper.
i think he just worked at the newspaper...but i see your point
yup
Rupert Murdoch is an Australian nepo baby, daddy left him a newspaper, who owns a lot of media, and loves the power and influence he wields. Australian PMs can't wait to get an invite to lunch with Rupert in New York.
He was a journalist..
I love how this video is about going too far in a specific direction and that is the first thing you think of
Gamers aren’t technically against diversity we just want it to make sense. Diversity for the sake of diversity is immersion breaking. We play games to get immersed in a world that doesn’t exist we look to escape the reality of our world. We don’t want to be in a game that represents the world we live in.
Underrated comment. Man's has the 999 IQ take
Sorry, this is going to be a novel, because I want to be thorough.
Here's a few points why you're wrong. And I mean this respectfully, because I don't think you have ill intent here.
1) There IS in fact a direct causation between DEI and bad quality of products. Seferal points:
1.1 DEI in the company means that people aren't hired for their skills and how well they fit the job - but if they fit the checklist. As a result - less skilled workers.
1.2 You can tell me to write something - and I will write you a good action scene. But the more limits you put - the worse my product will be. I can do decent comicbook-fighting story. Because that's what I like. But if you come to me and tell me that the character needs to be black gay woman - the result will be much worse. And if you say that the story needs to be about fighting oppression - even worse. And if you tell me that it needs to be a romantic novel - I'll write complete garbage. Why? Because those subjects don't appeal to me, and I don't have those experiences to write something relatable. But that's exactly what is going on in the writing rooms of all those studios. Each year the demands become more and more restrictive until actually talented writers quit in frustration and the only ones that are left are inexperienced slop-writers that work 9-to-5 and view their job as a task that needs to be completed. Nothing creative can come from such a team.
1.3 DEI greatly reduces the instruments available to the writer. Suddenly you can't make black person antagonist. And in fact you better not make that game about African zombies! You can't make a pretty woman - because we need to ensure that none of the characters can be sexualized by the player. You have to add black people in that medieval western-european setting, because... because you have to, OK?! You need to make at least 30% of the cast LGBT, and we need to state their orientation explicitly multiple times, because GOD FORBID the player misses it! You want to make a classical story with a damsel in distress? NO YOU CAN'T! Modern women don't need a prince, they save themselves! And you better make sure that black person talks like a black person from the Ghetto! Want to make a female character? She better be FLAWLESS, great fighter, conversationalist, definitely smarter than any male character, plain-looking but everyone needs to think she's gorgeous, "and also she's a vampire"(C)
2) "BG3 is the most "Bi" game there."
Yeah, but it is entirely your choice if you want to engage with characters in that way. If you play normally - you can completely avoid all such encounters. It has been a staple of the genre, in fact, that all your companions are "Bi", since forever.
3) "Diversity is good for gaming".
No. Diversity is NEUTRAL for gaming. Some stories benefit from the entire cast being white Caucasian Males. Other stories benefit from interracial cast with characters from every walk of life. Diversity is something that should happen naturally IF AND ONLY IF the writer wants to make it. Every time Diversity is pushed for the sake of diversity - it makes the product worse for reasons outlined above.
Your example of FF16 is a case when writers needed an LGBT character to move the plot and character development forward. This was not just thrown in there for no reason.
There is a paradigm in writing that states that every detail in worldbuilding and character design needs to have a purpose. It needs to either move the plot or shape their personality and relationships with other characters. And stereotypes are also a fair game here. But the thing about who you sleep with - it rarely makes a tangible effect on how you relate to other people. And in cases it does - usually everyone around think those people are obnoxious (works both for flamboyant gays and toxic alpha males). So adding sexual orientation without a very good plot-related reason is grating and detrimental.
And if you think about it, most great characters in gaming - never state their orientation. Do you know who Lara Croft sleeps with? Master Chief? Sephiroth? Barrett? We assume they're straight because 99% of world population (and 96% of USA) are straight, but it's rarely ever stated specifically. And the other cases when it IS stated - usually it's through some kind of Nathan Drake saving a Girl and being interested in her plot device.
4) The long read of her article.
It's interesting how she mentions people doxxing, but fails to mention that their side is also doxxing people. TheQuartering was swatted numerous times. Grummz has been doxxed. SmashJT is getting calls to his work place.
She also mentions people making google documents about journalists - but fails to mention hoa Alyssa Mercante did exactly that just 2 months ago. How Nick Merks (I butchered it) was co-opting his discord to go after creators he didn't like.
The truth of the matter is what she describes - is not the behaviour of "toxic gamers", but behaviour of "toxic internet users". And there are plenty of them on both sides. She uses it as a shield against criticism of wokeness and journalism - but it doesn't work, because the same arguments can be applied to the other side to the same extent.😮
Probably the most accurate and fair comment on here, at least of any critical ones
@@zyposts IDK what you mean.
I'd love to see Legendary Drop's take on this
THIS comment deserves to be pinned even if it is unlikely.
@@dragonandavatarfan8865 Thank you.
Important thing you do not mentioned, investment funds like BLACKROCK, and their CEO saying that DEI must be FORCED if companies want to receive Blackrock investments, then a lot of game studios FORCE DEI to get this money and also Blackrock is a huge shareholder in many game studios and thats why we have have this DEI bullshit forced and pushed on gamers! Why Blackrock want to push this agenda? not sure but maybe to lure more investors cause they can advertise their funds invest in DEI companies.
new world order, all of this is a smokescreen to deter our minds from the important issues at eat at society. thats it. gaming is the new media, the new way to control and brainwash but gamers ourselves are a new breed of people. even those of us that are idiots can see the patterns they spit out because gaming is massively pattern recognition.
Because currently the ESG Rating is statefunded. if something has a high ESG Rating, investors can expect thick injections of state money and benefits. a part of ESG in media is DEI.
Yeah, who nose why 🤥
Blackrock and Vanguard are invested in most of the Western world. From the biggest military contractors to the clothing companies, gaming, power companies, to firearms manufacturers, to ammo manufacturers and every other type of publicly traded company. They hold 25%+ in the vast majority of these companies, so that's where this bs comes from. It started back in 08 to 09 in the military. I saw this woke ideology popping up when I was serving in the Army and it just spread like wild fire from there.
"Stand up to your customers", God they really hate to make any profits at all.
They get money from Blackrock so it's ok.
Bad propaganda.
@@JetShanghai true and the dense people who cant see that are part of the issue
@@JetShanghaiif that were only enough… lots of layoffs
No, they just hate us more than they like money
12:01 pardon the hell out of me what? GamerGate had NOTHING to do with diversity in video games. It's inception was about ethics in gaming journalism (or lack there of) with publishers and news outlets having a good ol' circle jerk via quid-pro-quo practices and only giving early press copies out to news outlets that would look favorably upon the game. Also the whole ZoeQuinn/Anita Snarkesian thing, yuck.
Holy strawman, Batman.
EXACTLY, spot on, I just commented this. The whole DEI thing was just a ruse so the industry and journos can accuse any critics of being sexist, racist, homophobic etc.
anita injected herself in there like brianna wu it had nothing to do with her.
lol no it was about harassment. some people tried to make it about ethics, like TB, but 90% of gamergaters were about harrasment.
@@Zectifin the majority was about ethics its just that you people consider anyone disagreeing with you and calling you out on your bs to be harassment, like i am doing right now.
@@Zectifin Gamergate was the response to the industry calling the customers sexist. You might not like it but Zoe Quinn is not a nice person. That was just one of many issues regarding her, most of which were deflected by journalists, even against other women in the industry.
Overall, Gamergate was a massive disappointment in the industry as a whole. Even back then we kinda knew that there was some kind of unspoken agreement between developers and journalists, but at the time they at least tried to pretend to be impartial and have the customer's best interests at heart. After that they pretty much gave up on hiding the contempt they had for them.
I mean, you need to look no further than the reviews of Hogwarts Legacy which were variations of "Yeah, the game looks good and plays nice but we don't like it because we hate J.K. Rowling and neither should you."