Great stuff, Edinburgh! Amazing how they pulled up all the old tram lines in the late '50s, early 1960s and they've laid them almost exactly as they were in the toon then! 😄
Rough ballpark estimate: One way trip is 30 minutes. One tram every 7 to 8 minutes. -> There are roughly 5 trams going in one direction at any given time, so 10 trams, and drivers, in total on the line both directions. Assume traffivc 16 hours of the day. Assuming drivers work for 8 hours you'd need 20 drivers. Assume drivers work 5 days per week, and increase for weekend traffic - so maybe multiply by multiply by 1.25? That's now 25 drivers. Now factor in no nargins above (breaks, sick-leave..), vacations, training etc. Not less than 50 drivers, but probably not over 100. Whaddya think?
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico so its being extended down Leith Walk and Constitution Street to the docks. Next, Edinburgh needs to crack on with a circular line using the old Caley route from Leith North to Roseburn, and then the rail bypass from Georgie round by Morningside to Niddrie, followed by two routes to the South, one via Liberton to Penicuik and another from Cameron Toll to Dalkeith, each connecting with the circle. With modern technology, these can all be single track with passing loops in stations, at least initially. By then, a majority of the citizens will have access instead of today's tiny minority. Oh, and there could usefully be a branch from the existing line over to Corstorphine and Drum Brae. Otherwise, even if (when) cars are banned, there will still be bus congestion in the city centre, just like Oxford Street.
It's good as far as it goes and will be better with the Lieth extension in operation. 4 or 5 more lines through the city is where they should be at by now though. Think European mainland cities of similar size. Regardless, I have 1 major gripe. There should be a direct, covered stop with travelator/escalator/lift link into Waverly Station. Calling St Andrews Square stop Waverly is a travesty. A Hauptbahnhof in a German city is also the hub of all Public Transport services. Integrated Transport? The planners need shot!
We have got the Samething from Wolverhampton to Birmingham as well as the Railway,and it's a dam.good idea as it's Reliving the Traffic Conjeston and bringing More People into both Cities and the Sceam should in my view be Exstended to Walsall Because of the Reason I've just given as well as been cleaner and More inviafriendly the only Complaint I have got in Regards to the Trams are the seating as they are Uncomfortable Compared to the Trains
IMO, the price of going to/from the airport should be the same as the rest. A single ticket that excludes the airport costs £2 but £7,50 including it. I enjoy it anyway and took it from the airport to Picardy Place (where the original terminus was)
That's proper nice tram. Not like the shitty ones in Manchester where they are more of a bloody train with special ramps made for each stop. They never get anything right
It is great to see how many cities are waking up and putting there trams back. Melbourne kept theirs and still have the largest network in the world. Sydney got rid of theirs and now it has cost many millions to build 3. 😵💫🏳🌈
Why not? ;‐) And it's "km/h" (or possibly "kmph"). Your "KMH" would be kilometer multiplied by hour, not divided by. E.g like Nm is Newton meters. And its definitively easier to memorize 1000 than 1760 or 5280 ;-)
Thank you for this marvelous video. It was the easiest way for me to visit Edinburgh. I just wonder how much money is wasted in Edinburgh to set up such a curvy and sometimes narrow track route with occasionally high gradients, limiting the ride to an inefficient velocity. A simple railway branch would have been a much better solution to connect the airport to the city. Well, it is fancy in the 21st century to give your own town a tramway and pretend to have modern traffic systems.
Thanks Gerold! Despite the gradients it doesn't effect the ride quality from what i've experienced and It's a good tram network. More reliable than the one in Birmingham at least
A simple railway branch would not cover the 25 or so stops in between. You are misunderstanding the mode of transportation that a tram is. Think of it as a higher speed, higher capacity, non fossil-fuel bus line. Don't think of it as a slow train with lots of stops, curves and gradients just because they both run on rails. This tram would most definitively beat a bus timewise.
00:50. “This tram is FOR St Andrew’s Square” Really? What kind of messed up message is that? How can a tram be FOR something. A better choice would be “this trams DESTINATION is St Andrew’s Square”
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico Agreed; not a major issue, however, if it's not confusing (to locals) it's certainly questionable grammar. You might be able to say "this tram is FOR commuters" but it's use in this instance has no discernable support grammatically.
Wow. They have five shifts on a 30 minutes journey. I didn't realise that when I travelled. 😀
Great stuff, Edinburgh! Amazing how they pulled up all the old tram lines in the late '50s, early 1960s and they've laid them almost exactly as they were in the toon then! 😄
Thanks Mo!
Super great Video! Thumbs Up!!! 👍👍👍
Just like a tram network but smaller, be nice if it ever grows up!
Well they are extending the network to Newhaven.
👍👏😊♥️🇺🇸 Watching from New York State.... thanks for posting
Thanks Mike! Glad you enjoyed the video
Lovely video enjoyable editing and thank you for your upload.
No worries train.tram.bus! Glad you enjoyed the video
Thank you for sharing, but this video left me wondering if you left out any driver working for Edinburgh Trams? ❤
I don’t know any of the drivers for the Edinburgh Trams, I’m glad you’ve enjoyed the video!
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Rough ballpark estimate:
One way trip is 30 minutes. One tram every 7 to 8 minutes. -> There are roughly 5 trams going in one direction at any given time, so 10 trams, and drivers, in total on the line both directions.
Assume traffivc 16 hours of the day. Assuming drivers work for 8 hours you'd need 20 drivers.
Assume drivers work 5 days per week, and increase for weekend traffic - so maybe multiply by multiply by 1.25? That's now 25 drivers.
Now factor in no nargins above (breaks, sick-leave..), vacations, training etc.
Not less than 50 drivers, but probably not over 100.
Whaddya think?
Great video Tico
Thanks Arnold!
Can't wait to see this expanded.
I can't wait too! I'll be sure to do a Driver's Eye View for this one too :D
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico so its being extended down Leith Walk and Constitution Street to the docks. Next, Edinburgh needs to crack on with a circular line using the old Caley route from Leith North to Roseburn, and then the rail bypass from Georgie round by Morningside to Niddrie, followed by two routes to the South, one via Liberton to Penicuik and another from Cameron Toll to Dalkeith, each connecting with the circle. With modern technology, these can all be single track with passing loops in stations, at least initially. By then, a majority of the citizens will have access instead of today's tiny minority. Oh, and there could usefully be a branch from the existing line over to Corstorphine and Drum Brae.
Otherwise, even if (when) cars are banned, there will still be bus congestion in the city centre, just like Oxford Street.
Nottingham trams 🚊 are my favourite
Not yet been on the Nottingham Trams
Great video,as in the previous comment, They change drivers regularly!!😂
They don't change regularly, I was visiting all the tramstops so it was a different tram and Driver each time i got on.
Great thank you
No worries
Goose video Tico 👍
Thanks Thornaby!
cool looking cars.
Cars?
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico trams. same thing.
Nice video
Thanks McCoy
It's good as far as it goes and will be better with the Lieth extension in operation. 4 or 5 more lines through the city is where they should be at by now though. Think European mainland cities of similar size. Regardless, I have 1 major gripe. There should be a direct, covered stop with travelator/escalator/lift link into Waverly Station. Calling St Andrews Square stop Waverly is a travesty. A Hauptbahnhof in a German city is also the hub of all Public Transport services. Integrated Transport? The planners need shot!
At least there's a tram network to begin with and still it's a good network. It shall be interesting with the newhaven extension
We have got the Samething from Wolverhampton to Birmingham as well as the Railway,and it's a dam.good idea as it's Reliving the Traffic Conjeston and bringing More People into both Cities and the Sceam should in my view be Exstended to Walsall Because of the Reason I've just given as well as been cleaner and More inviafriendly the only Complaint I have got in Regards to the Trams are the seating as they are Uncomfortable Compared to the Trains
IMO, the price of going to/from the airport should be the same as the rest. A single ticket that excludes the airport costs £2 but £7,50 including it. I enjoy it anyway and took it from the airport to Picardy Place (where the original terminus was)
Probably the government punishing people who fly! It's a massive price difference for going a tiny bit further.
Why so many different tram drivers? You didn't film one continuous journey?
I visited all the tram stops hence the different tram drivers
Can you get a day ticket to travel on the trams as well as the buses ?
You can get a Day rider for the trams yes, Whether you can do both Trams & Buses with 1 ticket i'm not so sure on.
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico OK thanks .. I'll ask when we get there next week. My wife and I are having a 3 night break in Edinburgh
They might want to try hiring drivers that can do the entire route, rather than having to change them out every stop....
😉
Of course the Drivers do the entire route... I was just visiting every tram stop.. So it was a different tram & driver each time.
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico Or did you get ejected for invasion of driver privacy?
@@tommilton5753 no they were fine with me filming.
1:03 points must be spring loaded!
Do drivers only work for 3 minutes each ?
Of course not... I was visiting every tramstop on the network. So it was a different tram and driver everytime i got on.
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico Many thanks for your prompt response however, the sad thing is it sounded believable! Cheers
That's proper nice tram. Not like the shitty ones in Manchester where they are more of a bloody train with special ramps made for each stop. They never get anything right
They are designed to be compatible with conventional rail lines in manchester which is why they are high floor
Indeed they are BVL
I quite like the Manchester trams
It is great to see how many cities are waking up and putting there trams back. Melbourne kept theirs and still have the largest network in the world. Sydney got rid of theirs and now it has cost many millions to build 3. 😵💫🏳🌈
It is good to see trams doing a service! You should see the Manchester UK network
Why KMH ??
How am i suppose to know lol
Why not? ;‐)
And it's "km/h" (or possibly "kmph"). Your "KMH" would be kilometer multiplied by hour, not divided by. E.g like Nm is Newton meters.
And its definitively easier to memorize 1000 than 1760 or 5280 ;-)
@@davebowman6497 I thought it is UK
@@davebowman6497 because it's in the UK?
@@colinwinogradoff6794 Spot the ;-) in my reply?
Thank you for this marvelous video. It was the easiest way for me to visit Edinburgh. I just wonder how much money is wasted in Edinburgh to set up such a curvy and sometimes narrow track route with occasionally high gradients, limiting the ride to an inefficient velocity. A simple railway branch would have been a much better solution to connect the airport to the city. Well, it is fancy in the 21st century to give your own town a tramway and pretend to have modern traffic systems.
Thanks Gerold! Despite the gradients it doesn't effect the ride quality from what i've experienced and It's a good tram network. More reliable than the one in Birmingham at least
*More like a Roller Coaster !*
A simple railway branch would not cover the 25 or so stops in between. You are misunderstanding the mode of transportation that a tram is. Think of it as a higher speed, higher capacity, non fossil-fuel bus line.
Don't think of it as a slow train with lots of stops, curves and gradients just because they both run on rails.
This tram would most definitively beat a bus timewise.
Great driving job for Women being on rails and all
00:50. “This tram is FOR St Andrew’s Square” Really? What kind of messed up message is that? How can a tram be FOR something.
A better choice would be “this trams DESTINATION is St Andrew’s Square”
It's not exactly a major issue really. I mean most TOCs have this for their services and it's not confusing at all
@@TicTacTrolleyServiceTico Agreed; not a major issue, however, if it's not confusing (to locals) it's certainly questionable grammar.
You might be able to say "this tram is FOR commuters" but it's use in this instance has no discernable support grammatically.