Although I agree the Overhaul panel can be confusing to sequentially read, it has another purpose and I think it was to show how overbearing he is, his presence burst at the seams and it also make him feel unhinged. Horikoshi sacrificed clarity for imparting a feeling or impression of Chisaki.
imho it reads super clearly because overhauls like giant presence on the page pretty much exactly visually delineates how ur supposed to view the page. just think of his arm like a chute in a chutes and ladder board lol, u start at deku in the top right, u go left until u hit chisaki, his arm leds u down to the bottom right, and then u make ur way left again.
I love when MHA messes with the panels to give you that feeling that you're IN the action. It's one of the few manga's I feel that can truly give you the same amount of adrenaline in each fight just as the anime.
Fully agree, MHA is a masterfully made and created and drawn manga. And has incredible panelling in it, done intentionally and well made by Horikoshi and his assistants, along with his amazing writing, clever and intended chapter titles and amazing and incredible breathtaking artwork as well. Horikoshi is a GOAT for a reason. And Horikoshi is also a master at parallels and callbacks also in his story. The best motion panelist of all time manga artists is the God of Manga and Anime himself, Osamu Tezuka, Dragon Ball Akira Toriyama as you said, Horikoshi is also very good and Oda from One Piece as well is very talented at conveying motion as well. And the best artwork in manga as a whole is Takehiko Inoue with Slam Dunk manga and Vagabond and Kentaro Miura from making the legendary series Berserk. The manga artists we've experienced through the years has truly been amazing, we don't deserve them. The My Hero manga is amazing and easily the best product, but the anime is still great too despite some peoples opinions out there.
As a manga artist myself, I've been losing my shit seeing how genius Horikoshi has been with his panelling the past few chapters. Amazing breakdown, this fight definitely deserves it.
@@jeremiahnsube372 thank you!! It's a working title for now, but after a couple one-shots I'm hoping to start my series "shitting on sinners" about cowboys vs werewolves :P
I love the paneling in Villain Hunt when Deku fights Nagant. As the fight continues and she shoots more and more bullets at him and explains her story, the bullets transform into the panel borders as Deku evades. It works both as streets through the eyes of Deku of getting closer to death as well as close in to transition to her exposition
I'm looking at some of the panels from that fight now and, a couple times, the bolt that pops up whenever his Danger Sense activates ends getting used as panel borders, then the next panel shows the danger. So cool
10:00 this is how i read that panel: top left first, attracted by the imposing overhaul panel. Then top right and down, following his hand. Than bottom left. It is a bit counterintuitive at first but once I figured it out it just... Flows. With all its confusion, i can't help but love that page
I’m not sure if it counts as Panel Warping, but one of my favorite recent examples of Horikoshi playing with the panels is during Deku Vs. Lady Nagant, when there are Nagant’s bullets in the panels themselves. It makes it feel like Deku is constantly being bombarded by them.
I never thought about the messiness of the Overhaul panel, but I raise you this: it’s full of rawness and swag so it doesn’t matter :) Anyway, amazing video, you def pointed out a lot of things I didn’t think abt before (like the Best Jeanist panel)
One thing I notice about paneling is when in the overhaul section, is that the cultural way to read a manga is top right to bottom left, Overhaul screws this up by framing the panels contradictory, crossing what your suppose to read and how it is framed, as a western reader reading that section feels more natural to start from his face (Top left) down his fingers (bottom right). So a simple fix would be to just flip it horizontally, but that would mess up the chronology of the sequence essentially reading it in reverse
Also a way to somewhat fix this is to frame it around the arm, like an upwards arc. So essentially flipping the image horizontally to flow well. Top right he starts priming his jump, Bottom right is his leap, The fingers are Deku and Eri's surprised reaction And top left is them preparing . But either you read it top right(preparing the jump)>top left(preparing to fight)> bottom right(jumping so fast)> bottom left(surprised reaction) It would still be intellegable
The manga Witch Hat Atelier has the best panelling I’ve ever seen in manga. It’s probably the first series I’ve ever read where, even though it’s art is already incredible, it’s panelling is on the same level as it’s artwork
I recommend Tezuka works, the god of manga, he's definitely the best at paneling and motion debatably. Especially in his masterpiece manga Phoenix and Volume 2.
my monkey brain is just like: "this easy to read and look cool. Me have fun so i read more" i never know why some manga are good but i can feel when something is just hard to understand. Like Dragonball super(up to T.O.P)
looking at that overhaul one gave me a bit of a headache, i feel like it could have been less confused if the panels between overhauls fingers werent there
Some of my favorite paneling from the recent chapters: Deku and Bakugo growing up as Bakugo apologizes, showing how all the two have known each other and all the have been through together The space between the panels becoming Danger Sense as Deku feels the hostility of an entire mob
I think the Overhaul Panel could be fixed of all the problems you mentioned with a simple trick: *Mirror it.* Then the first thing you see as a reader is the "GIVE HER BACK" speech bubble, then Overhaul's desparate expression, and smoothy trail through the arm until the fingers blossom outwards and all is clear.
A comic writer and not an illustrator, this was mind blowing. I didn't even consider that there were people talking about how to make great panels. I just read a batman comic and hoped for the best. My next one will be so much better, now. Thank you!!!!!
My favourite instance of sequential panelling is in 280 where red riot rushes in. I think the scene before that does a really good job at created this feeling of a "suspended moment in time" as we watch Mina hovering in the air about to crushed by Gigantomachia, only to have Red Riot rush in from the right side of the page to push Mina out of the way.
Finally video about panelling In books about drawing manga or comics where is so little information about THE CORE METHOD OF STORYTELLING in this medium. Or maybe I read wrong books lol
What you call “sequential imaging” is what comic artist Scott McCloud dubbed “moment to moment transition.” Sequential imaging as a term sounds like it could describe basically any imagery in the medium, to the point that Will Eisner thought “sequential art” was a better name for the medium in English overall.
Great vid! I realize I didn’t always give MHA the credit it deserved when it came to panel layouts. This was a really cool collection of techniques the manga uses
Another one I want to bring attention to is that there was a page where Lady Nagant is asking Deku so many hard questions while firing her rifle at him, partly because she wants to overwhelm him with information. We feel how good she is at this, with blitzing bullets separating the panels with dizzying speeds. It really helps us feel like Deku in this situation, listening to what Nagant is saying all while trying to avoid countless, extremely fast shots.
Gonna say, the one issue I had with recent stuff was in Endevour vs Shigaraki where i couldn't tell which black dot was Endevour or Shigaraki and was confused what is going on exactly.
Even before you said about the issue with the chisaki Panel just looking at it I was not sure how to read it and I really couldn't make sense of how was the action flow
I don't think the reading order of that particular page really matters, it could really go in any way. The point is that the action is depicted in a strikingly effective manner.
I completely disagree. MHA is really engaging with its art and paneling. I have never had an issue even with the "famous" overhaul spread. Just dont see what youre talking about bud
@@Edward.Elric18 Hori doesn't have a good composition. His art does not flow like his peers and His choreography is inexistent. I don't need to convince you about anything btw.
Although I agree the Overhaul panel can be confusing to sequentially read, it has another purpose and I think it was to show how overbearing he is, his presence burst at the seams and it also make him feel unhinged. Horikoshi sacrificed clarity for imparting a feeling or impression of Chisaki.
My take on the panel is that Overhaul’s desire to control Eri is so great that he is reaching through the panels to try and grab her
imho it reads super clearly because overhauls like giant presence on the page pretty much exactly visually delineates how ur supposed to view the page. just think of his arm like a chute in a chutes and ladder board lol, u start at deku in the top right, u go left until u hit chisaki, his arm leds u down to the bottom right, and then u make ur way left again.
Okay, I get that the Overhaul panel can be seen as messy, but I don't care cause that shit is goated and raw and kino
I love when MHA messes with the panels to give you that feeling that you're IN the action. It's one of the few manga's I feel that can truly give you the same amount of adrenaline in each fight just as the anime.
Fully agree, MHA is a masterfully made and created and drawn manga. And has incredible panelling in it, done intentionally and well made by Horikoshi and his assistants, along with his amazing writing, clever and intended chapter titles and amazing and incredible breathtaking artwork as well. Horikoshi is a GOAT for a reason. And Horikoshi is also a master at parallels and callbacks also in his story. The best motion panelist of all time manga artists is the God of Manga and Anime himself, Osamu Tezuka, Dragon Ball Akira Toriyama as you said, Horikoshi is also very good and Oda from One Piece as well is very talented at conveying motion as well. And the best artwork in manga as a whole is Takehiko Inoue with Slam Dunk manga and Vagabond and Kentaro Miura from making the legendary series Berserk. The manga artists we've experienced through the years has truly been amazing, we don't deserve them. The My Hero manga is amazing and easily the best product, but the anime is still great too despite some peoples opinions out there.
And what about Murata (One Punch Man manga) ?
As a manga artist myself, I've been losing my shit seeing how genius Horikoshi has been with his panelling the past few chapters. Amazing breakdown, this fight definitely deserves it.
What manga do you work on?
@@bluekey1470 I'm working on a few one-shots!! Hopefully coming to shonen jump 2022/2023 :)
@@andyzhang7890 awesome 👌
@@andyzhang7890 Cool. Maybe a title so we can look out for it. Good luck btw
@@jeremiahnsube372 thank you!! It's a working title for now, but after a couple one-shots I'm hoping to start my series "shitting on sinners" about cowboys vs werewolves :P
I love the paneling in Villain Hunt when Deku fights Nagant. As the fight continues and she shoots more and more bullets at him and explains her story, the bullets transform into the panel borders as Deku evades. It works both as streets through the eyes of Deku of getting closer to death as well as close in to transition to her exposition
I'm looking at some of the panels from that fight now and, a couple times, the bolt that pops up whenever his Danger Sense activates ends getting used as panel borders, then the next panel shows the danger. So cool
10:00 this is how i read that panel: top left first, attracted by the imposing overhaul panel. Then top right and down, following his hand. Than bottom left. It is a bit counterintuitive at first but once I figured it out it just... Flows. With all its confusion, i can't help but love that page
Yeah that one of my favorite panel in MHA
I’m not sure if it counts as Panel Warping, but one of my favorite recent examples of Horikoshi playing with the panels is during Deku Vs. Lady Nagant, when there are Nagant’s bullets in the panels themselves.
It makes it feel like Deku is constantly being bombarded by them.
I never thought about the messiness of the Overhaul panel, but I raise you this: it’s full of rawness and swag so it doesn’t matter :)
Anyway, amazing video, you def pointed out a lot of things I didn’t think abt before (like the Best Jeanist panel)
One thing I notice about paneling is when in the overhaul section, is that the cultural way to read a manga is top right to bottom left, Overhaul screws this up by framing the panels contradictory, crossing what your suppose to read and how it is framed, as a western reader reading that section feels more natural to start from his face (Top left) down his fingers (bottom right). So a simple fix would be to just flip it horizontally, but that would mess up the chronology of the sequence essentially reading it in reverse
Also a way to somewhat fix this is to frame it around the arm, like an upwards arc.
So essentially flipping the image horizontally to flow well.
Top right he starts priming his jump,
Bottom right is his leap,
The fingers are Deku and Eri's surprised reaction
And top left is them preparing .
But either you read it top right(preparing the jump)>top left(preparing to fight)> bottom right(jumping so fast)> bottom left(surprised reaction)
It would still be intellegable
But what do I know, I'm just a guy that reads comics and manga proposing a fix that is radically changes the scene
The manga Witch Hat Atelier has the best panelling I’ve ever seen in manga. It’s probably the first series I’ve ever read where, even though it’s art is already incredible, it’s panelling is on the same level as it’s artwork
I recommend Tezuka works, the god of manga, he's definitely the best at paneling and motion debatably. Especially in his masterpiece manga Phoenix and Volume 2.
Another lecture on the basics of manga at the example of MHA by professor Oceaniz. Great Stuff!
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I thought that Oceaniz is gonna bring Deku vs Lagy Nagant fight somewhere in this video. I'm surprised that he didn't.
my monkey brain is just like: "this easy to read and look cool. Me have fun so i read more"
i never know why some manga are good but i can feel when something is just hard to understand. Like Dragonball super(up to T.O.P)
I feel you bro on this. Me too
looking at that overhaul one gave me a bit of a headache, i feel like it could have been less confused if the panels between overhauls fingers werent there
Already know that overhaul spread gonna be here
Aye that shit is whack
Can you make a review of MHA double spread art and paneling? Or a ranking or tierlist, that'll be cool
Some of my favorite paneling from the recent chapters:
Deku and Bakugo growing up as Bakugo apologizes, showing how all the two have known each other and all the have been through together
The space between the panels becoming Danger Sense as Deku feels the hostility of an entire mob
I think the Overhaul Panel could be fixed of all the problems you mentioned with a simple trick:
*Mirror it.*
Then the first thing you see as a reader is the "GIVE HER BACK" speech bubble, then Overhaul's desparate expression, and smoothy trail through the arm until the fingers blossom outwards and all is clear.
A comic writer and not an illustrator, this was mind blowing. I didn't even consider that there were people talking about how to make great panels. I just read a batman comic and hoped for the best. My next one will be so much better, now. Thank you!!!!!
My favourite instance of sequential panelling is in 280 where red riot rushes in. I think the scene before that does a really good job at created this feeling of a "suspended moment in time" as we watch Mina hovering in the air about to crushed by Gigantomachia, only to have Red Riot rush in from the right side of the page to push Mina out of the way.
Finally video about panelling
In books about drawing manga or comics where is so little information about THE CORE METHOD OF STORYTELLING in this medium.
Or maybe I read wrong books lol
The thumbnail is going so hard for no reason.
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I like that you say up to which chapter you will be refering, appreaciated
What you call “sequential imaging” is what comic artist Scott McCloud dubbed “moment to moment transition.” Sequential imaging as a term sounds like it could describe basically any imagery in the medium, to the point that Will Eisner thought “sequential art” was a better name for the medium in English overall.
Guys... I think Oceaniz likes My hero acdemia i dunno just a thought
Great vid! I realize I didn’t always give MHA the credit it deserved when it came to panel layouts. This was a really cool collection of techniques the manga uses
Another one I want to bring attention to is that there was a page where Lady Nagant is asking Deku so many hard questions while firing her rifle at him, partly because she wants to overwhelm him with information. We feel how good she is at this, with blitzing bullets separating the panels with dizzying speeds. It really helps us feel like Deku in this situation, listening to what Nagant is saying all while trying to avoid countless, extremely fast shots.
I really like this sweaty manga nerd talking XD
Shigaraki's enlightenment can be also be read as: becoming more fasci than he already was
Having Oceanz explain the Overhaul image in both ways of interpreting it, I still have no idea what is happening in either cases.
Your Videos are always so informative! Good Job!
Need to remember to donate to your Patreon one of these days. Really wanted to do it for the longest time now
Those paneling works make feel the drawings move and the characters are not confined in one rectangle
Wow Oceaniz talked about paneling without unfairly slandering One Piece. I guess Zen is a bad influence on him.
Such an amazing video! Thank you for it!
Gonna say, the one issue I had with recent stuff was in Endevour vs Shigaraki where i couldn't tell which black dot was Endevour or Shigaraki and was confused what is going on exactly.
Always is a pleasure to hearing you talk about mha, love it, thank u
You've been going HAM with these MHA videos lately!
damn i never really paid attention to panelling
BABE WAKE UP!! NEW OCEANIZ VID!
Hey, have you seen Lines in Motion?
They talk a lot about manga panelling in their Witch Hat Atelier video.
don't forget about arranging panels to create more symbollogy, like in MVA when Twice literally got split after seeing his clones
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Omg, fucking genius !
I'm a little peeved that Nagant's bullets didn't even get a mention here
Amazing vid as always and great thumbnail!
Even before you said about the issue with the chisaki Panel just looking at it I was not sure how to read it and I really couldn't make sense of how was the action flow
BNHA used to have mediocre paneling, although this last year Horikoshi has got much better in that regard. Art has always been really good, though.
Next video: page numbers in mha
If we talking good paneling chainsaw man have that too.
Cool concepts.
Thank you oceaniz for blessing me with another mha video before bed. Always a pleasant surprise
Are you awake now?
@@Blandy8521 i am now
@@marcostheloser4738 nice
@@marcostheloser4738 Hope you had a nice sleep!
I don't think the reading order of that particular page really matters, it could really go in any way. The point is that the action is depicted in a strikingly effective manner.
EVERYTHING MHA
i honestly dont find the overhaul panel confusing at all
You should check out Shaman King.
Can you please do a video analyzing panelling in Black Clover?
nice
I think that during the war arc the paneling became a bit too chaotic, i'm sure some of it was on purpose but some parts were hard to read to me
How do you make your videos ?
Chainsaw man is another manga that messes with the paneling
Good Stuff 🙂
Nice video!
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Nice
6:16 You are severely over-estimating the average persons attention span and ability to interpret actions.
Cool👍
Panelling and composition in MHA is among the worst i have seen from the famous mangaka of this generation.
The art though? Excellent.
I completely disagree. MHA is really engaging with its art and paneling. I have never had an issue even with the "famous" overhaul spread. Just dont see what youre talking about bud
@@Edward.Elric18 Hori doesn't have a good composition. His art does not flow like his peers and His choreography is inexistent.
I don't need to convince you about anything btw.
*que THAT Overhaul panel/page*
cue* lol
nice