I was on the bluefor in this exact replay, and yeah there weren't really any fight left after the initial b5 strike. They tried that again the next game. It is actually not that hard to counter if you know what they are going to do. Just have a plane out at the beginning to scout for you and scatter your infantry at the beginning, and as they spent so much points on planes, they don't really have that much on the ground. It is really if you can avoid the initial strike or not, if you do, you will have a easier time.
Cheers stealth, I've got 3 kids myself, you're nearly at the pivotal milestone! Once they start sleeping through the night it gets WAY easier! Thanks for the content and congrats!
I noticed in your tactical tournament that the top end players would usually start the game with one low price radar picket plane simply to detect incoming helo rushes, the same plane would also give early warning of a B-5 rush. All it has to do is give enough warning for the infantry column to scatter, one top end interceptor would then over time reduce the entire B-5 fleet to shredded metal. Like nearly everything in this game there are stupid gambits and there are simple solutions to those gambits - all you have to do is be ready at the outset to counter them as you see them.
Lol, for a few months now ive been starting off on this map with a pre emptive Lavi strike, which usually gets me around 300 points right off the bat. I think i recognise sever of the players in this match
Is it just me, or did they not bring much AA? I don't think I ever saw more than one AA unit in a single place. Of course planes are super powerful if barely any attempts are made to shoot them down.
I feel like in this map, given the fact that the main town is just infantry vs infantry, bombers and arti become really useful, so why didn't blufor have a couple AA units just in case? That and a the ASFs they had, would not completly prevent the amazing work done by redfor, but could possibly reduce the amount of units they lost? Surely atleast a couple B5s would be dead Regardless, what a match!
I found arty and mortars not very useful on this map. The infantry quickly learns to keep moving around far too much to land a hit. Either need large area of effect weapons like MLRS, or bombers which you can fine tune the targeting of within the last few seconds.
@@barnmaddo Even mortars can be useful if used properly. All you need is to fire in front of what your units are about to face to do morale damage and therefore allowing your infantry to get an easier kill. Sure, mortars would do better at other maps, but they can still be useful in this map given their fast aiming time and higher FR when compared to MLRS/ bombers RRR time
Grab a heap of those 45-60 point gen 2 fighters and mob them, that's about all the tactic that I can think of. Or a ton of patriots/stormers/adats maybe?
And patriots would fire at the su-7s and burn most of their ammo. They thought this through pretty well, IR AA, fighters and AA helos to kill the bombers while using helicopters and/or amphibious transports with high off-road speed to get your boys to the town, avoiding the roads you'd normally use could get your first wave of infantry into the town.
You'd probably be best served with heavily microed, high RoF SPAAGs to stun them into missing their drop. Missiles behind that initial wall of lead, but as far as combating the first strike all you can really do is see the thing coming from the next county over and scatter.
Lots of cheap AA spread out wide. Against bombs like that armor doesn't help so infantry AA would probably be the best and fastest way to counter. Tho on a tight map like this one a cannon turret and some armor would be the best to gain some use against infantry as well (not great but oh well). It might be hard solo but a well put together support tab could do it!!!
there is no coming back from it once it happens. You should have just spread out the second you saw those planes. let them take the city before you. if they spent so much on planes, they wont have much on that front anyway. and they didn't. just 8 squads
you could propperly only counter it as an team, if say half have also bought a cheap intercepter, and all have basic AA. it could be countered but that only an if the points needed for that initial investment is staggering looking from a meta perspectiv.
Good way to catch people with the title, Shame the game didn't see an introduction of a Yak-28 which is similar to IL-28 but being a mach 2 capable. But for real how many damn IL-28 REDFOR did have ?, it looks like 1968 USSR pushing NATO with tactical nukes & heavy bombs.
I'm pretty sure a mach 2 plane with a 3k bomb and probably around 30% ECM would obliterate any sense of balance this game has. The only reliable counter would be high vet tomcat spam.
@@josephahner3031 most airacft from the mid 60s or so doesnt have ECMs + the top speed in-game is 1100 KPH if I remember correctly. It would make it look qt the very least a lot nicer with the swept wings, they sorta look similar anyways. It comes in different versions, interceptor, bomber, electronic warfare & recon.
@@skl-1371 even without the ECM the speed boost would be pretty crazy. I think aircraft speed tops out at 1000 kph in game, but still, 1k is fast. Imagine having about half the reaction time to respond to a B5 strike.
@@josephahner3031 Well it could be similar to the MiG-31M only 1 per card & high price, also the F-111C have high speed with 4x 1 ton bombs & 30% ECM. The Yak-28 would be comparable to it beside having no ECM, those 4 bombs would also cover bigger area than that one 3 ton, the argument will be which is more powerful/effective 4x 20HE dmg or one 30 HE. After all it's all depend on the price you know.
You lost me at 'It takes 2 phoenix missiles to take down that plane'. I mean...I get nerfing the crazy 100nm range and Mach5 speed, even exgagerating the inaccuracy or whatnot for gaminess, but ffs the phoenix has like a 65kg warhead... only the largest ground based SAMs do more than that
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I was on the bluefor in this exact replay, and yeah there weren't really any fight left after the initial b5 strike. They tried that again the next game. It is actually not that hard to counter if you know what they are going to do. Just have a plane out at the beginning to scout for you and scatter your infantry at the beginning, and as they spent so much points on planes, they don't really have that much on the ground. It is really if you can avoid the initial strike or not, if you do, you will have a easier time.
"What happened to our opener?"
"Gone, reduced to atoms."
16:17 “They got an Ottomatic.”
*Ottomatic ate a 3000kg bomb and vaporized immediately*
*Rest in pieces*
XD
Cheers stealth, I've got 3 kids myself, you're nearly at the pivotal milestone! Once they start sleeping through the night it gets WAY easier! Thanks for the content and congrats!
I hope so mate. He's only 6 weeks now. Could do with some more sleep!
Here's your gift from the Supreme Leader! *presses weapons release*
Reduces their infantry into scattered Kimchi.
Just absolutely roasting the Chong-Ju at 12:34 LOL
I noticed in your tactical tournament that the top end players would usually start the game with one low price radar picket plane simply to detect incoming helo rushes, the same plane would also give early warning of a B-5 rush. All it has to do is give enough warning for the infantry column to scatter, one top end interceptor would then over time reduce the entire B-5 fleet to shredded metal. Like nearly everything in this game there are stupid gambits and there are simple solutions to those gambits - all you have to do is be ready at the outset to counter them as you see them.
BLUFOR got outplayed hard here, for serious play a well placed AA and interceptor would make the B-5 spam a very expensive money sink
Next up, three players going ANZAC airborne using only F-111C's
Air Superiority fighter + SEAD plane + B5 Bomber in a formation is pretty much invincible, not much can beat that
The lack of at least some form of air defense seriously hurt bluefor.
Seeing things like this reminds me of how awful missile and aircraft damage modeling is in this game.
I've missed the replays. glad there was a decent one to show
Lol, for a few months now ive been starting off on this map with a pre emptive Lavi strike, which usually gets me around 300 points right off the bat. I think i recognise sever of the players in this match
the opening F-15 got mememigged
Bomber harris did it again
Wonsan harbor looks like Dresden '45
Is it just me, or did they not bring much AA? I don't think I ever saw more than one AA unit in a single place. Of course planes are super powerful if barely any attempts are made to shoot them down.
I feel like in this map, given the fact that the main town is just infantry vs infantry, bombers and arti become really useful, so why didn't blufor have a couple AA units just in case? That and a the ASFs they had, would not completly prevent the amazing work done by redfor, but could possibly reduce the amount of units they lost?
Surely atleast a couple B5s would be dead
Regardless, what a match!
I found arty and mortars not very useful on this map. The infantry quickly learns to keep moving around far too much to land a hit. Either need large area of effect weapons like MLRS, or bombers which you can fine tune the targeting of within the last few seconds.
@@barnmaddo Even mortars can be useful if used properly. All you need is to fire in front of what your units are about to face to do morale damage and therefore allowing your infantry to get an easier kill.
Sure, mortars would do better at other maps, but they can still be useful in this map given their fast aiming time and higher FR when compared to MLRS/ bombers RRR time
Actually I usually park my transport in golf for a short time if I got started on that side of the map.
Grab a heap of those 45-60 point gen 2 fighters and mob them, that's about all the tactic that I can think of. Or a ton of patriots/stormers/adats maybe?
The 2nd gen fighters would get clipped by the meme migs.
And patriots would fire at the su-7s and burn most of their ammo. They thought this through pretty well, IR AA, fighters and AA helos to kill the bombers while using helicopters and/or amphibious transports with high off-road speed to get your boys to the town, avoiding the roads you'd normally use could get your first wave of infantry into the town.
You'd probably be best served with heavily microed, high RoF SPAAGs to stun them into missing their drop. Missiles behind that initial wall of lead, but as far as combating the first strike all you can really do is see the thing coming from the next county over and scatter.
Lots of cheap AA spread out wide. Against bombs like that armor doesn't help so infantry AA would probably be the best and fastest way to counter. Tho on a tight map like this one a cannon turret and some armor would be the best to gain some use against infantry as well (not great but oh well). It might be hard solo but a well put together support tab could do it!!!
crazy taht after all those b5 strtikes at the beginning, blufor didnt get any AA...
there is no coming back from it once it happens. You should have just spread out the second you saw those planes. let them take the city before you. if they spent so much on planes, they wont have much on that front anyway. and they didn't. just 8 squads
you could propperly only counter it as an team, if say half have also bought a cheap intercepter, and all have basic AA. it could be countered but that only an if the points needed for that initial investment is staggering looking from a meta perspectiv.
LOL Did everyone run NK on RedFor?
And they say REDFOR is balanced against BLU. This shows right here, that isnt true
BLU has F-111C.
A radar Maschine gun AA should do it. The M163?? Was good at the end. Maybe also cheap non radar mashine gun AA (SeAD).
Good way to catch people with the title, Shame the game didn't see an introduction of a Yak-28 which is similar to IL-28 but being a mach 2 capable. But for real how many damn IL-28 REDFOR did have ?, it looks like 1968 USSR pushing NATO with tactical nukes & heavy bombs.
I'm pretty sure a mach 2 plane with a 3k bomb and probably around 30% ECM would obliterate any sense of balance this game has. The only reliable counter would be high vet tomcat spam.
@@josephahner3031 most airacft from the mid 60s or so doesnt have ECMs + the top speed in-game is 1100 KPH if I remember correctly.
It would make it look qt the very least a lot nicer with the swept wings, they sorta look similar anyways. It comes in different versions, interceptor, bomber, electronic warfare & recon.
@@skl-1371 even without the ECM the speed boost would be pretty crazy. I think aircraft speed tops out at 1000 kph in game, but still, 1k is fast. Imagine having about half the reaction time to respond to a B5 strike.
@@josephahner3031 Well it could be similar to the MiG-31M only 1 per card & high price, also the F-111C have high speed with 4x 1 ton bombs & 30% ECM.
The Yak-28 would be comparable to it beside having no ECM, those 4 bombs would also cover bigger area than that one 3 ton, the argument will be which is more powerful/effective 4x 20HE dmg or one 30 HE. After all it's all depend on the price you know.
Thankfully.... it is wargame!
good video
B5 new meta
You lost me at 'It takes 2 phoenix missiles to take down that plane'. I mean...I get nerfing the crazy 100nm range and Mach5 speed, even exgagerating the inaccuracy or whatnot for gaminess, but ffs the phoenix has like a 65kg warhead... only the largest ground based SAMs do more than that
talk about interactive gameplay...
Yet another reason why this map sucks
Disguisting