McMemphis: Chapter 15 - Vince Wears the USWA Title

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  • Опубліковано 15 гру 2007
  • From USWA TV on September 18, 1993.
    Of this whole run, this is my favorite Vince McMahon interview. The show opens with the news that Tatanka has defeated Jerry Lawler for the USWA Unified Championship. Vince sends in an interview gloating about the victory wearing the USWA belt.
    Now I've talked about how shocking a lot of this was at the time. Bret as a heel, Owen as a heel, Vince as a heel, etc. But this was off the scale.
    The WWF didn't make it a habit of acknowledging that other promotions existed. It was assumed to just be Vince's rule for TV. Now you have McMahon himself showing up on Memphis TV with their championship. Oh and it's worth saying that this WWF invasion was booked about a billion times better than any invasion angle the WWF has done.
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  • @chrishollister80
    @chrishollister80 7 років тому +100

    What an angle. In the WWF Lawler was the heel commentator/part-time wrestler but in Memphis the face. In Memphis Vince was the heel. And unless you were a fan who watched both products, you never knew. Love it.

    • @wtcvidman
      @wtcvidman Рік тому +1

      I knew about the WWF wrestlers having matches in the USWA from reading the results in the NY Daily News and reading about some of the matches in various wrestling magazines in 1993. But I never knew Vince himself also showed up down there so it was cool to discover that part back when I first saw popculturestu's videos and was great to see the matches I only read about after many years.
      A big thanks to popculturestu for preserving these.

  • @raytimpson3361
    @raytimpson3361 7 років тому +97

    The low video quality makes McMahon look that much more sinister. Especially his eyes.

  • @whiteyblack68
    @whiteyblack68 8 років тому +215

    is it safe to say Mr.McMahon is one of the best heels in wrestling history?

    • @Illusionistical822
      @Illusionistical822 8 років тому +36

      IS the best heel in wrestling history.

    • @dkupke
      @dkupke 7 років тому +16

      Absolutely. The brilliance was that EVERYONE could relate to it-everyone has had a boss they wanted to smack.

    • @Boscoand
      @Boscoand 7 років тому +7

      Daniel Ryan Plus he got people to hate him big time. Easily one of the best heels in history. And to top it all off, he rubbed his success into wrestlers faces, which made him an even better heel. Oh yeah by the way, a classic line, "YOU'RE FIRED!" Best corporate heel of all time hands down.

    • @TheCancerkilla
      @TheCancerkilla 6 років тому +3

      He became a cartoon super villain right around "the greater power" angle in 1999. But this Vince, along with his Mr. McMahon character from late 1997 to around late 1998, was perhaps the greatest heel of all time.

    • @PORKME666
      @PORKME666 6 років тому +1

      yeah but not as good as Dr D David Schultz

  • @Mistertbones
    @Mistertbones 7 років тому +76

    Heel Vince years before Mr. McMahon debuted.

  • @ChaosTheory9
    @ChaosTheory9 10 років тому +124

    Oh my god! The Present day Vince would fire this Vince for saying "championship BELT!" Blasphemy!

    • @experimenteight4550
      @experimenteight4550 6 років тому +8

      Fred Robinson To Vince, that “belt” wasn’t worthy enough to be called a “title”.

    • @conradojavier7547
      @conradojavier7547 6 років тому +5

      Experiment Eight the same Guy who Booked Himself as ECW Champion.

    • @bebopman5
      @bebopman5 3 роки тому +1

      @@experimenteight4550 Exactly

  • @artwhitacre3379
    @artwhitacre3379 9 років тому +59

    The precursor to the evil Mr McMahon

  • @dfaircloth30
    @dfaircloth30 5 років тому +26

    Vince’s trial run as a heel: the evil Mr. McMahon

  • @bigboyseth8027
    @bigboyseth8027 3 роки тому +59

    This feels like what Tony Kahn is trying to do on impact, but Vince just had so much more chemistry with the camera by this point that Tony can’t compare

  • @JOHNNY34A
    @JOHNNY34A 3 роки тому +31

    This is shocking in a good way. I never knew the McMahon heel character existed long before 1998. And it's so funny how these developmental/partner promotions not only served for wrestlers to practice before getting to WWF/WWE but it also allowed Vince to practice being a heel. UA-cam is a great thing. Without UA-cam I would not have known any of this

  • @normangrimm4581
    @normangrimm4581 7 років тому +70

    Wonder what Verne Gagne would have thought seeing Vince with the the belt that once represented his company around his waist. That belt was originally the AWA belt

    • @fredicagoillanoise1309
      @fredicagoillanoise1309 5 років тому +10

      That WAS the AWA belt... FACTS!!

    • @30907bng
      @30907bng 5 років тому +9

      Somebody knows his wrestling history.

    • @michaelsorrells4649
      @michaelsorrells4649 5 років тому +3

      Team belt AWA

    • @robfinlay5489
      @robfinlay5489 4 роки тому +4

      I'm not sure if this was the literal same belt, the Snowman stole the USWA World Championship belt in 1990 and I don't think they ever got it back so this would be a replica.

    • @rocketmaster06
      @rocketmaster06 4 роки тому +4

      @@robfinlay5489 i think snowman stole the actual belt that had Unified World Champion on it. It looked kinda like the wccw belt

  • @AndruWProWrestling
    @AndruWProWrestling 15 років тому +19

    Wow! The Mr. Mcmahon character YEARS before its time. The birth of "evil" Mr. McMahon primarily started around '98 during the attitude era, but that promo was like a lost footage of the Mr. Mcmahon character. VERY COOL!

  • @Koolazzmike
    @Koolazzmike 16 років тому +18

    according to the "Legacy of the AWA" DVD, Verne Gagne never paid Lawler for SuperClash III, so he kept the belt.

  • @DKonline2003
    @DKonline2003 10 років тому +54

    Vince botching the word svelte as "slevitt" is the cherry on top this great promo. This is so much better than his Mr. McMahon character.

    • @roccoz2231
      @roccoz2231 5 років тому +17

      He did struggle with dyslexia as a kid, but otherwise yea that's a rare fuckup by Vinnie Mac.

  • @mr.mirchenstein6549
    @mr.mirchenstein6549 5 років тому +10

    Interesting, Cause Vince would still act like the good old baby face announcer on WWE tv, even while this feud was going on, but then when he would come down to Memphis, he would become this AMAZING HEEL!
    Great Stuff!!!!!! 👍👍 🙌

  • @connordripps7528
    @connordripps7528 6 років тому +16

    That little evil laugh at the end, damn. Well as Vince always says, he who laughs last, laughs loudest.

  • @vermontmike9800
    @vermontmike9800 4 роки тому +12

    The AWA/USWA belt is one of the best designs ever.

  • @generalkhan5569
    @generalkhan5569 3 роки тому +7

    Wasn't that the AWA title that Jerry won at Superclash 3 but never returned

    • @MorganTyler86
      @MorganTyler86 2 роки тому +3

      Yes because Verne never paid Lawler

  • @The_Champ76
    @The_Champ76 Рік тому +3

    Love that Palpatine cackle at the End 😂
    3:03

  • @yoshikitakaya7871
    @yoshikitakaya7871 6 років тому +11

    This was EPIC at the time & still is!!! I remember watching this on USWA waaaaayyyyy back in the 90s!! Used to love how WWF guys would be on there and it was like an underground thing that was never talked about on WWF tv, you had be of a fan base that was on it/in the know!

  • @NightWarriorAlive
    @NightWarriorAlive 7 років тому +21

    Incredible to see heel Mcmahon here, back in the day when only those in Memphis would really know about it.

    • @wtcvidman
      @wtcvidman Рік тому

      The match results were posted in the sports section of the NY Daily News up here and I remember wrestling magazines having articles about them too but it was nice back when I finally got to see these firsthand thanks to them being preserved. But one thing I didn't know till I saw these back when I first did was that McMahon was involved since the newspapers & magazines never disclosed that.

  • @rick187053
    @rick187053 14 років тому +5

    the mr mcmahon character was born

  • @philipt.8087
    @philipt.8087 3 роки тому +5

    This reminds me of Tony Khan on impact.

  • @djcactus
    @djcactus 8 років тому +13

    Proto "mr mcmahon" right here son

  • @Definition83
    @Definition83 8 років тому +16

    Mr. McMahon before Mr. McMahon

  • @Patrickhollywood
    @Patrickhollywood 15 років тому +3

    True, Lawler won it from Curt Hennig and never lost it cause Verne Gagne didn't pay him 4 Super Clash III so he kept tha belt and it became their belt in the USWA.

  • @wtcvidman
    @wtcvidman Рік тому +2

    The Lawler-McMahon role reversal in the USWA-WWF storyline in 1993 is very similar to the Lawler-Kaufman role reversal in Mid South in the early 80s where Andy Kaufman played the heel in Memphis as he challenged, wrestled and pinned women but after being piledriven a bunch of times by Lawler who was avenging the women, the 2 appeared on that infamous David Letterman episode and Kaufman, who was a big star in Taxi at the time, took a face role and was cheered by the audience whereas Lawler was booed and only got booed more after the infamous slap he gave Kaufman and Kaufman's tirade against him. It was a case of Lawler sticking to what worked in the past.

  • @bossking257
    @bossking257 16 років тому +2

    rare. i thought he started this in 97 but he's been doing this since 93?!?! thanks for the upload

  • @okrabay
    @okrabay 14 років тому +14

    What made this angle so real was that most fans in the Memphis area really hated Vince for destroying the local promotions.
    So their hate for him was real and the character he played was mostly real too.

  • @Thecallmemisterajp
    @Thecallmemisterajp 6 років тому +8

    We used to get USWA on syndication here in Philly, and I remember freaking out when I first saw Vince cut a heel promo. At the time I wouldn't have thought Vince had a bad bone in his body.

  • @normangrimm4581
    @normangrimm4581 2 роки тому +3

    Beginning of Mr. McMahon IMO

  • @miggy25
    @miggy25 16 років тому +1

    wow i never knew this even existed!...i'm fron the NYC area and we didn't get many USWA telecasts and i had no idea Vince had the invasion angle and the Mr. Mcmahon character working back then....very eerie and cool promo!

  • @ukvol
    @ukvol 16 років тому +2

    Of course, Vince would call it the "United Championship." No way the head of the WWF would recognize a regional promotion's title as a "Unified World Title."

  • @MrNWA4Life
    @MrNWA4Life 14 років тому +6

    @dondonisio
    That's the old AWA World Belt. Lawler kept it it when Verne didn't pay him for SuperClash 3. Lawler had Reggie Parks make a Unified belt, but Eddie The Snowman Crawford walked off with it rather then drop it back to Lawler, so the AWA belt made it's return. It's now owned by Dave Millican.

  • @IATM29
    @IATM29 11 років тому

    I've never seen this before so thanks for uploading it. A great heel promo from Vince McMahon.

  • @FilmMan5000
    @FilmMan5000 16 років тому +3

    My God, thank you for posting this!! I knew Jerry Lawler was always the top face in the USWA but I had no idea that most of the WWF/E guys came down and played heels. Much less Vince McMahon. It's like you said, it was taboo for McMahon to mention other companies at that time. Very cool and interestng.

  • @davesnyder7488
    @davesnyder7488 5 років тому +13

    OSW review brought me here
    And damn,
    It’s just as good as they said,
    What Bar is the early evil Mr.McMahon?

    • @mrnaji
      @mrnaji 3 роки тому +2

      A Zero Bar, York Peppermint Patty...and Klondike Bar

    • @brvideo32298
      @brvideo32298 3 роки тому +4

      Well Dave, McMahon is sporting a light blue suit with red and blue details on the left side of his suit jacket (I am assuming that's both a dark blue handkerchief and the signature red WWF block logo).
      He is...
      A can of Pepsi (Sorry, we ran out of Coke)

  • @endofthelinejoel
    @endofthelinejoel 16 років тому +2

    Excellent! UA-cam is a godsend for these fan-submitted VHS conversions of rare pro wrestling footage. Footage that will never see the light of day.
    Thanks again.

  • @tobysgamingworld1550
    @tobysgamingworld1550 Рік тому +2

    Early heel Vince. It’s what he’s always wanted to be. It’s amazing to watch

  • @Neiler187
    @Neiler187 14 років тому +7

    Most epic heel laugh since Ted Dibiase!

  • @route7isuzu287
    @route7isuzu287 7 років тому

    awesome series, ty for posting!

  • @djjerryflores1
    @djjerryflores1 9 років тому +24

    Solomonster podcast brought me here.

    • @sostdm617
      @sostdm617 8 років тому +1

      me too solomonster podcast is great

    • @davidj5910
      @davidj5910 8 років тому

      me too

    • @sostdm617
      @sostdm617 8 років тому

      +David J (Poyzen) hell yeah

  • @BIGCHILL3993
    @BIGCHILL3993 16 років тому +4

    Geez Memphis even polished Vince!!!

  • @Crusader7077
    @Crusader7077 13 років тому +3

    If Verne Gagne ever saw that belt around Vince's waist, Verne's dentures would instantly fly at least 20 feet out of his mouth.

  • @sergrod1
    @sergrod1 16 років тому

    wow, this is special. thx 4 posting. true classic and never shown in the other us countries. he was "mr mcmahon before it's time

  • @RiC_David
    @RiC_David 11 років тому +3

    One major reason is that pretty much everything was pre-taped back then. Obviously we have pre-taped back stage promos (which are still done during the show so there's still less time) but much of what we see is delivered live.
    Your point still stand that they fine tune wrestlers way too much, trying to cram them into their prefabricated vision rather than letting them create their own personas.

  • @brianconnelly1238
    @brianconnelly1238 2 роки тому +1

    I guess this was the testing pattern for the inevitable Mr. McMahon character he would play years later...

  • @wtcvidman
    @wtcvidman 15 років тому +7

    They had a match at King of the Ring '94. I would love if it there was a match in USWA, but I'm pretty sure Piper was fully out of wrestling until 1994 when he returned at KOTR.

  • @theodorerivera81
    @theodorerivera81 Рік тому

    Thanks for sharing this my friend 💯

  • @jdmannfla
    @jdmannfla 11 років тому +8

    Lawler co-owned the territory. He was pushed on top because there was no danger of him leaving his own business . But he was also on top because he consistently drew in Memphis for 20 years

  • @GameTime-yj6qv
    @GameTime-yj6qv 4 місяці тому

    Surreal to see Vince as a heel during this time. I knew WWF shared some talent with the USWA but didn't know about this

  • @SamsarasArt
    @SamsarasArt Рік тому +1

    This is surreal to see. I didn't know Vince was a heel back then

  • @MrNWA4Life
    @MrNWA4Life 14 років тому +3

    @AmericanNohbuddy
    Zbyszko's belt was different. It had a lot more added pieces as well as a logo plate and a tip at the end. This belt that Lawler kept only had the text plate and top piece as added pieces. Zbyszko's had the text plate, top piece, the leaf, and the eagles on the sideplates all added. Reggie Parks found the eagles at a flea market and thought they'd look good on a belt. Because of those eagles, Zbyszko's belt is impossible to make an accurate copy.

  • @phobos271
    @phobos271 15 років тому +1

    Yes at one time it was but Jerry used it as the USWA title after his Unified belt was taken by the Snowman.

  • @justinroark88
    @justinroark88 5 років тому +2

    McMahon is the best heel in wrestling...I mean, sports entertainment history!

  • @imaneightiesbaby
    @imaneightiesbaby 12 років тому +1

    Amazing! I've been a wrestling fan for...forever and I had NO IDEA about this cross promotion deal. Wow. How did WWE mess up the WCW invasion storyline?!

  • @mcwhorter141mcwhorter8
    @mcwhorter141mcwhorter8 6 років тому +10

    Ironic Vince is wearing what is actually the AWA belt years after he put them out of business.

  • @NightWarriorAlive
    @NightWarriorAlive 15 років тому +1

    Wow, it's amazing to see this stuff for the first time. I guess this is where, "Mr. McMahon" sowed his heel oats, and then a few years later used it in WWF.

  • @theinfamousmrsleep
    @theinfamousmrsleep 10 років тому +12

    Just imagine, Vince McMahon on Monday Night RAW, wearing the TNA World Title around his waist...... which signifies the death of TNA.

  • @elway0798
    @elway0798 16 років тому

    Dude thx for uploading all this. I can't stop watching and were about to get to Randy Savage!!!! OOOOOOOHHHH!!! YYYEEEEEEEAAAHHHH!!!!

  • @CSAlmanac
    @CSAlmanac 12 років тому +1

    This was a "well if you can't beat them, join them" deal. Make no mistake that Vince McMahon always had a bad feeling toward Memphis because the WWF just could not outrank them for many years. Even during the first big boom period in the 80s Memphis fans rejected the WWF not even putting 2,000 fans in the Coliseum for WWF shows during that period.

  • @elmuhfuh
    @elmuhfuh 15 років тому +1

    me and my friend were just discussing this. youre exactly right. memphis was a big wrestling scene then too.

  • @WWEFanatic2007
    @WWEFanatic2007 16 років тому

    That wouldn't be the last piece of gold Vince would have around his waist as a former WWF and ECW Champion that he later became. His delivery here is great but I still love the over the top "YOUR FIREEEEEEEED!" Mr. McMahon as well.

  • @dinkthroughball
    @dinkthroughball 10 років тому +5

    Awesome, he's an 80's guy alright!

  • @FlyswatterOne
    @FlyswatterOne 15 років тому

    WOW...a glimpse into the future. What would become, Mr. McMahon

  • @yoshikitakaya7871
    @yoshikitakaya7871 11 років тому

    WOW!!!!! This is EPIC!!!! Vince was on here!?! With the title!?!

  • @benschatz9954
    @benschatz9954 2 роки тому

    Man I bet Vince barley remembers his heel stuff on USWA TV. Such good shit pal.

  • @user-ys9fg4ol9s
    @user-ys9fg4ol9s Рік тому

    I was lucky to be allot of tade trading during the 80 and 90's .. this would become one of my prized possessions. 2 horse of Vince as a heel in Memphis. I think those that saw this realized that THIS Vince is what the fans needed. A mere 4 years , and with some tweaks he's on WWF main TV.

  • @dmercy8477
    @dmercy8477 29 днів тому +1

    I know this is basically who he is in real life but I didn’t really know he was a wrestling heel before the official birth of the Mr. McMahon character four years later. I guess this is some sort of a prototype for the character.

  • @CSAlmanac
    @CSAlmanac 12 років тому +1

    Primarily because THIS Vince McMahon had a legitimate hatred for Jerry Jarrett and Memphis Wrestling: the only territory he couldn't kill and the only city the WWF couldn't own (the WWF couldn't draw a dime in Memphis until they teamed up with the USWA in 1993.)

  • @OtorresFitness
    @OtorresFitness 14 років тому +1

    Pre Attitude era Vince McMahon. Gotta love it!

  • @gregnice25
    @gregnice25 13 років тому

    how did this promotion combine with wwf? especially with vince on the show showing a different promotion belt...

  • @Truthguy2121
    @Truthguy2121 16 років тому +1

    wow.Nice guy vince of the early 90s as evil Mr Mcmahon of these days? Quality promo!

  • @mlp4200
    @mlp4200 11 років тому +1

    Wow, I had no idea Vince actually used his heel persona before the Attitude-Era.

  • @erebustheslackerrr
    @erebustheslackerrr 5 років тому +2

    I miss young Vince

    • @SamsarasArt
      @SamsarasArt Рік тому

      And he was almost 50 around this time

  • @Injectedracing
    @Injectedracing Рік тому +2

    Vince holding the AWA belt is something else

    • @dukevisionary
      @dukevisionary 10 місяців тому

      USWA

    • @Injectedracing
      @Injectedracing 10 місяців тому +1

      @@dukevisionarythat version of the uswa title was the AWA belt. Jerry kept it

    • @dukevisionary
      @dukevisionary 10 місяців тому

      @@Injectedracing ok gotcha

  • @OuchMashups
    @OuchMashups 14 років тому +7

    Isn't that the old AWA title?

    • @K-dawg26
      @K-dawg26 6 років тому +1

      OUCH MASHUPS yeah

  • @tomhallick419
    @tomhallick419 Рік тому +1

    Vince wearing Verne Gagne's belt on Jerry Lawler's TV show.

  • @wtcvidman
    @wtcvidman 15 років тому +1

    It sounds a lot like the laugh coming out of the recorder the police pull out of the Joker's pocket after he falls off the cathedral in Batman (1989).

  • @JH-lk2uy
    @JH-lk2uy 6 років тому +1

    Funny thing is, if HHH or Stephanie McMcmahon did this in Evolve, Progress, or any org a few years from now, it would be badass

  • @brunorubio
    @brunorubio 14 років тому +1

    He looks like Reagan. I like that he's cutting loose, like he was never allowed to n his own show. And then things got crazy.

  • @CubbieBlue902
    @CubbieBlue902 6 років тому

    This is surreal. I love it.

  • @Danimal1177
    @Danimal1177 3 роки тому +1

    I always wondered: why did they use the former AWA title belt instead of the unified world heavyweight title belt?

    • @rafacastorena145
      @rafacastorena145 3 роки тому +2

      Snowman never returned the USWA Unified World title so Jerry Lawler used the old AWA World title. He never returned the AWA belt back Verne Gagne over not getting paid for Super Clash 3. Kind of weird to see Vince wearing Verne's belt.

  • @therealjd4life
    @therealjd4life Рік тому +2

    So Bischoff technically wasn't the first Heel Boss....it was actually done prior in 1993....so after Montreal Screwjob he pulled his evil persona out of his dresser drawer and had an epic feud with Stone Cold

    • @paulmcgee3559
      @paulmcgee3559 Рік тому

      Check out Tom Renestro’s run as heel matchmaker in 85 Memphis. That predates both.

  • @MrNWA4Life
    @MrNWA4Life 14 років тому +2

    @crazy1355
    Not hardly, Gagne was out of the wrestling business by then. But, seing the belt Lawler kept, around McMahon's waist, would make me wonder.

  • @IronDiva
    @IronDiva 5 років тому +2

    Something to Wrestle brought me here

  • @n0gginb0nker87
    @n0gginb0nker87 11 років тому +2

    So was this only aired on the Memphis program, or was it aired on WWF as well?

  • @zacharycarter9887
    @zacharycarter9887 4 роки тому

    Love it pre mr machmahon

  • @RiC_David
    @RiC_David 11 років тому +1

    2:26 Was he also the firt WWF/E guy to wear the belt over his shoulder? That's also very late 90s/2000s

  • @ragon197320rg
    @ragon197320rg 8 років тому

    I Love It Early Mr McMahon

  • @AmericanNohbuddy
    @AmericanNohbuddy 14 років тому +2

    @MrNWA4Life
    When Larry Zybszko had it it was that very title design though when the promotion closed in '90

  • @Lfdjake91
    @Lfdjake91 15 років тому

    Vince is really getting into his Mr.McMahon character here.

  • @ukvol
    @ukvol 16 років тому

    I agree with you. It was just funny to hear Vince say it.

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 2 роки тому

    This is almost like a shoot version of the Mr. McMahon character.

  • @King4sshole89
    @King4sshole89 6 років тому +2

    That's actually the AWA Championship Belt. So Vince McMahon is wearing the AWA Championship on USWA television. Because fuck logic, but damn it was good tv.

  • @hubertgreen
    @hubertgreen 7 років тому +2

    lol that was one good heel promo. Rich guy from bigger federation come and brag:) Before vince turned heel in wwf. most have feelt pretty strange to see vince as a commentatror and later on see him as a super villian, like lex luthor.

    • @thomas3340
      @thomas3340 7 років тому +1

      Exactly!!! You can tell he is getting his practice in here and eventually has one of the greatest fueds ever with Austin a couple years down the road.

  • @rafacastorena145
    @rafacastorena145 2 роки тому +1

    Ironic Vince wearing Verne's belt.

  • @CSAlmanac
    @CSAlmanac 12 років тому +1

    Yes, Jarrett booked for them but Vince had the impression that "well if he's done this good down there..." mentality. Vince has also made no bones about the fact that he hates Southern wrestling ('wrasslin' as Vince says) in general for reasons I've never figured out. Either way, this set up was never about respect but about necessity.

  • @thejazzenigma
    @thejazzenigma 11 років тому +1

    More like Vince wears the AWA title. Cause Vince was partly responsible for putting the AWA under, cause AWA couldn't keep up with Vince. The AWA title belt looks better then the WWE title at the time of this.

  • @MrNWA4Life
    @MrNWA4Life 14 років тому

    @AmericanNohbuddy
    It only represented the AWA World tile from 1986-89. It represented the USWA "Unified" title a lot longer, from 1990 until the promotion closed in 1997. I've actually seen the belt in person.

  • @felicity4711
    @felicity4711 2 роки тому

    When he gets really quiet at 1:15 he sounds like an evil Bob Ross