Boom! This is how we Gather Israel! I've been following you online for years now, Brother Halverson. Thank you for helping us know Jesus Christ and become his disciples.
I’m sure he is very excited for this and that he’s not 😊Thanks for sharing your story and story with us and we hope you enjoy it as much as we qqqqq😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
This was just what I needed to hear. Thank you! Just one thought to add. If by change someone you love moves too far from either side of the path, and falls off the cliff. Let’s be first responders, not judges. Be at that bottom of the cliff and bring that person safely back to the fold and let the judge of Israel decide what is best for him or her. Let us just love, that is our job as first responders. We are to minister and bind up wounds. Let’s be ministering Samaritans.
Oh my goodness this has been such a revelation to me today right in time to meet my family tomorrow for my father’s 95th birthday party … with them being not members of the church or religious at all and usually mocking me for who I am and what i believe. Thank you thank you brother halverson that was fantastic. Its been an answer to my prayers today of asking for heavenly assistance how to deal with tomorrow.
Jared, I know what you taught is true. And it helps me to know how to be a better therapist, a better wife, and a better mother. i’m being trained as a Gottman marriage therapist right now. I have learned that relationship masters have a 5 to 1 positive to negative ratio of their comments toward each other during conflict. During the positive times the ratio of positive to negative is 20 to 1. The highly talented couples always are able to weave humor and connection through their conflict.
Great talk. Thank you. I was just reading the Oct. 2021 Gen Conf talk by Elder Renlund and he eludes to this same principle. “Inspired by the example of his fellow Finns, my father chose to place his discipleship of Jesus Christ above all other considerations. The Finns were no less Finnish; the Russians were no less Russian; neither group abandoned their culture, history, or experiences to banish enmity. They did not need to. Instead, they chose to make their discipleship of Jesus Christ their primary consideration.”
I was exhausted this evening, but then I came across your Unshaken special Episode: Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy and found a place of learning and growing in just the place of my quandary. What a challenge it is to stay balanced and aware of those you come in contact with who are also God's precious children. Thank you for putting so much of your heart into helping those searching to find a place to start!! Kind of sad to be starting in old age, but as long as I live I hope to be a faithful follower of Jesus Christ. Thank You Jared for helping me feel like it is possible, always staying within the Lords' teachings. God Bless You
I remember a quote by Joseph Fielding Smith buried somewhere deep in my earlier years files stating that if we ever err in judgment it should be on the side of charity. This was significant to me when serving as a RS President at BYU. Thank you Brother Halverson for your sensitivity to the unorthodox and helping us “straight arrows” to better love and understand them.
Brother Halverson “I love you”….You are such a blessing with your gift of gospel teaching…I sooo needed to hear this at this time❤Thank you, Thank you, Thank you🙏🏽
Wow! This was amazing! This is exactly what we need to prepare us to be a Zion people. Thank you for this and all your amazing Gospel lessons. You have blessed more lives than you'll ever know.
I watched this the first time alone and the second time with my hubby. It gave us pause to reflect on our relationship between ourselves, some family, and others and what/how can we "repair" damage w/o disharmony. We thank the Lord for His grace as we struggle to "digest" the core of your message: the balance b/t doctrine and harmony. I will need to listen often to this presentation to build on my grasp of its message. I can never thank you enough for your insight, your testimony, your wisdom and willingness to tirelessly share with God's children these profound truths. HUGS
This is the way to build Zion and gather Israel. I remember giving a talk many years ago and describing the wrestle between two seemingly opposing doctrines in the scriptures, and subsequently using an S. Michael Wilcox quote to help clarify the answer was in fact to use both…that both apply. That Christ does both and is both. I knew it was both, but for years didn’t quite understand why or how. etc…and now it seems only fitting to have you, Bro. Wilcox’s nephew, bring this revelation and insight to light in a way I can clearly understand. Thank you for your years of wrestling and for bringing this to light and sharing, helping to pave the path forward. I sat giddy on the front row of this presentation at the symposium with my sister and my dad, and couldn’t help but feel this was a moment to remember. Thank you for helping us to! Praise God!
I am so grateful of you for teaching by the Spirit. With 7 children, children in law and grandchildren you have open my heart and eyes about how to navigate between justice and mercy. There is not enough thank you I can write to let you know of how I feel.
This has been a Blessing. I have a Calvinist Friend, and another Friend who have been very Open about how they Feel about my Beliefs, and all I keep getting that comes to Mind is. "If ye are not one ye are not Mine." This balance between Orthodoxy, and Harmony is Truly what matters the most, and that Verse in the Book of Mormon resonates with me like never before although I must admit I've only been a Member a few years now.
Thank you for this, Bro. Halverson. I have been struggling with this very issue in my own family. I want to love as taught by the Savior, and I don’t want to seem like I am accepting or condoning sin. Between this presentation and Sister Runia’s talk from the Oct. conference, I’m getting a better understanding of how to apply love and mercy and keep the lines of communication open, all while standing by the tree and inviting through both my testimony and my actions. Sister Runia made such a great point in her talk that none of us has Christ’s power to condemn and we don’t have His power to redeem. What he has given to us is the power to love. I hope you are feeling better. Thank you to you and your lovely family for the sacrifices it takes to put out these podcasts.
Jared, Thanks for resharing this! I enjoyed watching it on BYU’s channel too. What a great discussion! As someone who has been on the wrong end of a discussion about Orthodox before it is nice to find more understanding that can be shared with others. This is truly inspired research at a time when it is most needed. I hope the church uses this for more leadership education. Thanks again for all you do!
I don't know where you find the time, but I'm so grateful for the sacrifices you (and you family) make for all of us. You have changed the lives of everyone in my family and we all love you for it. My oldest granddaughter will be in your religion class at BYU this spring. She is beside herself with anticipation. It will be great preparation for her mission this fall. Our prayers of gratitude are with you and your family.
Bro. you hit the nail on the head!!! Thousands are leaving the church exactly because of this! Bless your heart for taking this issue head on and guiding us through with wisdom.!
I am so grateful for your presentation. As always, I learned so much. Thank you for your sacrifice of your time and effort to continue to teach us how to walk and stay on the straight and narrow path following our Savior.
Brother Halverson, I have been able to be watching and learning from your videos on Unshaken And other videos that I find. This is a fantastic video. Second time watching it ❤ 15:29
I'm really loving this! I came across it on YT when it was first posted by BYU. So invigorating! 40+ years ago i learned from Stephen R. Covey, Put God first anf He will tell you what comes second. It has been so helpful and seems to go along with what you are saying here about Orthodoxy and Harmony. Thank YOU so much for all that you do to givr us inspired instruction!
This was amazing to me. I have been a member for 54 years and this has helped me sort things out in a much more orderly manner. Thank you for all the descriptions which clarigy many questions in every episode. I cannot thank you enough.
This talk lays out so clearly so many things I’ve been trying to wrestle with but couldn’t figure out. Thank you for sharing your message and laying things out in such a clear powerful way. I’m sharing this with several of my family members because I think they will enjoy it too!
Thank you! This describes My husband and I so well. Given our situation at the moment, your thoughts and insights have been so helpful to me . I have found a lot of peace through your messages. Thank you 🤍
I love this way of thinking. I was taught this example in the temple when Adam is faced with the decision to keep the vertical law, or to remain with Eve and love her. I’m so grateful he chose Eve with the faith that they will find a way to make it back to God. A great example of how spouses should deal with differences.. God does have a right way for situations, but he wants spouses to do it together. And sometimes He will be patient with spouses not doing things the right way, but at least they’re doing it together and can be molded and find their way to the right way.
This has helped me so much in my ministering, family relationships and just daily interactions with people from all walks of life. I have been a member of the church all my life and now, in my senior years, just feel like I am starting to really know and understand what this life is all about. Thank you so much for sharing your insight and helping me develop my own along the way.
I just finished watching this special episode of Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy and this was truly an answer to my prayer! i’ve been trying to find a way to address some of my family members that are not members of the church about doing temple work for aunts, uncles and cousins that have passed on. I am very concerned that if I don’t address it correctly, I could compromise our relationship or even cast a shadow on their perception of our church doctrine. Thank you so much for your time and talent that you so willingly share. I am truly one that needs it and I’m grateful for it! 🥰😊
Yes! Your signature message imbedded in all your lectures! The law of balance! Truth and love! Justice and mercy must hold equal weight. This is also my biggest striving, to maintain my covenants and belief in the fullness if the gospel and still hold esteem in the agency and love of all men. The first and second great commandments! This has been MY message and hope! I long to help bring Zion and the world to this balance!
Brother Halverson, we "feast" on the words of inspiration you have to share about the Gospel. Thank you for doing all you do. The living words of Christ and all the prophets and apostles take on a clearer understanding with the guidance you help provide.
Brother Halverson you are an immense influence on me for the gospel. I appreciate so very much efforts to help me learn and understand the gospel. You are one of my heroes. I pray you will continue teaching us!
In data communication there is a principle, strict by the sender (orthodoxy) and permissive in the receiver (harmony). I am having some difficulty finding a reliable name, it may be called the “Asymmetric Schema Principle”. This would equate to erring toward orthodoxy for yourself, and erring toward harmony for others.
This message made me think of Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, MLK, and countless women forgotten by history… “I destroy my enemies by making them my friends”…great leaders who understood this concept and brought to pass great changes in society.
How beautiful and inspiring! Thank you, muchas gracias, merci, danke schön, Brother Halverson! May the Lord continue to guide and bless you and your family.♥️🙏🎶👏🇺🇸
Incredibly appreciative of this talk and of your concern for everyone. I have learned so much from listening to your Unshaken series. This talk was especially needed at a time such as this. Thank you.
Wonderful presentation. This has been a wrestle of mine for sometime now. It seems that the example of Captain Moroni was one where the orthodoxy and even the possibility of freedom was about to be lost. And in this case, harmony was not a possibility until the orthodoxy of freedom was once again established. Without freedom all other orthodoxy was lost. Now it also appears that we are in an age where politically we are not so much left/right debate as it is establishment(kingmen) against freeman. Our Ether 8 moment is upon us. And in this our Ether 8 moment, we as a people are reticent to acknowledge that a society of natural men almost automatically order themselves using secret combinations. This is a pervasive theme and orthodoxy in the Book of Mormon that has become silenced in being harmonious. While "conspiracy theories" need to be discerned carefully, still we ought to regard this portion of the Book of Mormon as meaningful and not deny it for sake of harmony or even perhaps simply popularity. Again I express my appreciation Brother Halverson for this wonderful presentation and hopefully present some orthodoxy in the most harmonious way I know how 🙂
I really appreciated the last five or 10 minutes or so of this talk. I think you did a wonderful job showing how difficult this really is when the rubber meets the road. President Holland recently talked about abhorring the sin and loving the sinner. Separating the value of a soul from the sin they are committing, will help us to choose the best approach and help that person to come onto Christ.
Near the end of your talk, I thought of Doctrine and Covenants Section 138 vs 36-37: "Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh; That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words." The orthodoxy was that the Savior could not go among the spirits who had already rebelled against Him and His proohets, but harmony (mercy) provided a way for others to do that.
Yes, the Spirit World seems to have similar socialality that may allow some to be more influential than others. Obviously the more we learn in this life the more we will be able to serve in the next.
This might be the answer to my many prayers. How to help my sons and daughters, come back to the church. I pray this is the inspired answer I am looking for. It is hard when as a parent I know the "right" and they don't see it, and they are kicking holes in the walls of our house, but maybe if I can foster a relationship that creates trust, then when I teach truth they will be more apt to listen and hear. As missionaries we first tried to build a relationship then teach the gospel. When things worked well that is what happened.
This is the crux of discipleship. As Bro Hal said, Christ is the perfect balance of both and thus is our calling to follow Him, to be one as He is. My question is, for a friend, if you are a hardcore Orthodox how do you gain some of that harmony? If you are hardwired to focus on the rules and people's feelings are immaterial to you, how does one gain some of that mercy?
I had to look up the definition of “orthodoxy”. With the amount of passion that you gave to this topic I could not stop and ask myself if you’re having a personal issue or perhaps with a ward or stake leader? It’s not up to us to decide whether or not someone takes the sacrament. A bishop has the keys for that decision. You never once mentioned the gift of revelation. The spirit trumps horizontal and vertical. I would never put my children in front of a molester of any degree, and yes, even if it hurt that persons feelings or they left the church. I’m in the “Bible Belt” nearly my entire 64 years. What is going on in the state of Utah?
Can you please add this to your podcast so I can also listen while I drive without using up all my data? I’ve watched and shared this and would like to be able to revisit it many times.
Brother Halverson. After watching the BYU release, the message has already blessed my life in significant ways. Is their a way to get the written version? Thank you for this and all you do to help build faith in the Savior.
That was amazing. SO helpful. So relatable. Please let us know where we might find the picture of the Lion and the Lamb. And the Savior leading the sheep on the narrow path.
Thank you so much for this video. It's is extremely helpful! However, what I struggle with more sometimes is not the vertical or the horizontal. I'm supposed to love my neighbor as myself, I can't figure out how to balance those two things. I'm in a good spot between me and Heavenly Father, the vertical part. How do I love others AND myself? How do I prove the contrary between compassion/service to others and my own sanity/inner peace? I can't pour from an empty cup. 🤔
I enjoy listening to you so very very much… Brother Halverson. I always walk away learning a lot and wanting to hear more from you. I am serving a Senior Full Time MLS Local Mission here in Payson Utah. It would be be such an honor to have you speak in one of our next Zone meetings. What is the possibilities?
Brother Jared, I love you, and I've loved listening to your Unshaken videos for almost 4 years now. I recently watched your recommended special episode “Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy.” I think I got the essence of your wonderful message to default to mercy to preserve relationship on the way to unity with God unless prompted by the Spirit to use orthodoxy first. Yet I feel urged to share some feedback about two of the pictures you used towards the end of your talk, particularly the last one. As you confessed your error in impulsively saying to a student “Just don't err”, you were grateful to revise your answer the next class time. However, to me, the picture you used at the end of your talk still says “Just don't err...or else!” It felt scary because I couldn't see the Savior's relentless redemption that you mentioned portrayed in the picture. I don't see my Savior going before me, shepherding me. I see a dangerous path, with my Savior behind me, bidding me walk ahead without Him by my side, with no hope on either side for rescue or survival if I should err. I do not like that picture at all and was sorry I had to see it at the end of your presentation. I don't think it fit the essence of your revised message at all. Now I'm wondering if the idea of proving contraries has swung too far to one side and needs to be balanced more with some wisdom of the heart and soul for that journey along that strait and narrow path, like “Follow me.” “Walk with me.” “I will not leave you nor forsake you.”, D&C 84:88, etc. which offers more assurance than just a whisper from Isaiah. The same goes for the political image. I don't see how political differences in ideology will ever be solved by facing each other trying to prove contraries until the enmity influence of the serpent on members of both parties is overcome by repentance and looking upward to Christ for a change of heart. I would love to see some angels floating above the donkey and elephant, and I think the rope in the picture could/should represent the serpent's role in it all as an influence interfering with the balancing effort. Anyway, I want to erase or modify those pictures now in my mind; and if you used AI to design them, then I can better understand why I see only difficulty and danger and feel no soul nor hope in them. Your recent picture for 2 Nephi 31 on Unshaken shows the Savior leading the way on a path without the precipitous cliffs on both sides. I find that more enticing with love and assurance rather than so much danger and fear. I love this quote by Robert Vallet: “The human heart feels things the eyes cannot see, and knows what the mind cannot understand.” I suppose academics requires focus on the mind rather than intuitive feelings, but perhaps that's a contrary to be balanced also. I've tried to give this feedback in as much love and truth as I can. You help so many with your gifts of intellect and scholarship and concern for people and their faith, especially in crisis. Thank you for that! Your gifts are a powerful influence for good. With much love and respect, a fan. Betty Martin
Maybe you're too young to remember the show, Kung Fu, starring David Carideen. It was one of my favorite shows growing up, next to Star Trek. Anyway, Grasshopper was always told by his mentor, "Balance, Grasshopper." That concept has been a guiding influence in my life ever since. So much so, that several years ago, when I was studying the martial arts and preparing to become a Black Belt, one of the requirements was that we had to write a thesis paper. The style I was studying was Taekwondo, a Korean art. The title for my paper was..."Pilsung Through Balance." Pilsung is the Korean word for Victory. God bless the Grasshoppers and Jared Halversons of the world!!!!!🤗😘
I would like to say a special thank you to ALL of my elders, for having the strength to lovingly speak truth❤ -Sister Jason Clevenger Retransitioner (Ftf) 😅
Worry, a subtle thief in the night's guise, Sows seeds of unease in once tranquil minds. True love, in contrast, is a steady flame, Guiding, uplifting in life's complex game. It’s the hand that supports in times of need, The voice that encourages good deeds to seed. In this distinction, clarity we find: Though worry feels a lot like love, it's of a different kind. Disguised as concern, critical words impose, A firm grip, not to uplift but to tightly enclose. Mistaken for love, its sharp edges cut deep, Shaping behavior, not nurturing the seed. Yet in wisdom's light, truths gently unfold, "Love is patient, love is kind," agelessly told. Choosing understanding over scorn's harsh lance, In acts of warmth, we echo love's timeless expanse. In family’s gaze, Christ’s teachings I recall, Seeing good, accepting them, one and all. His love, a beacon in life's intricate dance, Guiding us to love, in every circumstance. Like Lehi, I stand by the Tree of Life's side, Steadfast in faith, with righteousness as my guide. Beckoning loved ones with a smile so bright, Showing God's love is the truest light. In the joy of the gospel, my heart does sing, Offering love as the fruit I bring. Respecting each sacred choice they make, With love, example, and patience, their souls to awake. As the gardener knows, with each seed he sows, Patience is key as each young petal grows. We can't pull the stem, nor force the bud to show, In faith's tender garden, gentle waters flow. Care and nurture, the tools we employ, For faith, like a bloom, is a delicate joy. In the warmth of love and time's embrace, Faith blossoms forth at its own natural pace. If virtues call in whispers soft and clear, Or beauty shines in forms both far and near, Let hearts pursue, with eager, open sight, All that is good, and lovely, and right.
I just stumbled across this presentation and am early in watching it. I have a previous Bishop of our ward who is clear and vocal about hating the right and Trump in particular. He is openly critical of any Republicans when he teaches priesthood lessons. His wife taught RS two weeks ago and went on and on about Taylor Swift and her lover football star and how they are tremendous role models. I was taken aback as I have not watched or cared for Taylor Swift, the way she dresses, dances, rails against Republicans, and openly insults others who do not believe the way she does. I don't know anything about her boyfriend. When teaching a lesson on role models, my thoughts would be more like Elder Holland and his wife. I am struggling with what others are teaching in this Ward. I am not shaken just confused as a 70-year-old who has been on a mission, married in the Temple, married 43 years, raised a great family, 5 times HP group leader, two Bishoprics, countess times as GD teacher. As you can see I am probably in need of this presentation. I will respond after watching this talk several times to see if I get it.
It sounds to me like you are a citizen of Zion living in a fallen world, light years ahead of your neighbors in spiritual maturity and development. Finding the balance starts with remembering your center point. Welcome to the club!!!
@gregjack6809 I think liberation theology has taken over a good number of members theology. I think this message from Jared Halverson might be on that slippery slope. But in the end I am not the judge.
Jared you are one of my favorite speakers. Why will you not go on to Michelle Stones podcast? She has invited you to bring your knowledge and share any insights you may have with her and her audience. Her message is very relevant right now as many people are leaving the church because of polygamy. Let's bring people information and let them find truth which we all need right now!
Wait, has he turned down an invitation to be on 132Problems? I figured he was talking about John Dehlin or something like that. That would make me so sad if he didn’t want to talk to Michelle.
Are you familiar with or listened to the Evangelical "Pastor Jeff" and his podcast "Hello Saints"? I see him as approaching our theological differences with curiosity and respect to better understand the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints instead of railing against us. We're both trying to follow the same Jesus.
Love this! Sounds like paradise if everyone lived harmoniously. I truly have a question though, when you say the raising generation is trying to correct our mistakes, what does that mean? Thanks!!!
Most of this went over my head. Which in some ways worries me that I am not finding this balance you speak of. I have a hard time understanding what it is being asked to balance.
PLEASE MAKE A NON-DENOMINATIONAL VERSION OF THIS! It's absolutely amazing. I want to share it with everyone I know, but I'm afraid that alot of people would reject it out of hand simply because a "Mormon" gave it. I have friends who have left the church, I have Evangelical friends. This is so important that the world should have it. Oh, that I were an angel, and could preach this to everyone on earth. ;^)
❤oh so beautiful, something that we all need to learn deeply. I speak for myself and im sure many of us are blessed to hear this. Do you have this in writing? If you do could I get a pbf, please? Thank you for your work!
Boom! This is how we Gather Israel! I've been following you online for years now, Brother Halverson. Thank you for helping us know Jesus Christ and become his disciples.
I’m sure he is very excited for this and that he’s not 😊Thanks for sharing your story and story with us and we hope you enjoy it as much as we qqqqq😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
This was just what I needed to hear. Thank you!
Just one thought to add.
If by change someone you love moves too far from either side of the path, and falls off the cliff. Let’s be first responders, not judges.
Be at that bottom of the cliff and bring that person safely back to the fold and let the judge of Israel decide what is best for him or her. Let us just love, that is our job as first responders.
We are to minister and bind up wounds.
Let’s be ministering Samaritans.
Oh my goodness this has been such a revelation to me today right in time to meet my family tomorrow for my father’s 95th birthday party … with them being not members of the church or religious at all and usually mocking me for who I am and what i believe. Thank you thank you brother halverson that was fantastic. Its been an answer to my prayers today of asking for heavenly assistance how to deal with tomorrow.
Love this from inklings❤ so good!
Jared, I know what you taught is true. And it helps me to know how to be a better therapist, a better wife, and a better mother. i’m being trained as a Gottman marriage therapist right now. I have learned that relationship masters have a 5 to 1 positive to negative ratio of their comments toward each other during conflict. During the positive times the ratio of positive to negative is 20 to 1. The highly talented couples always are able to weave humor and connection through their conflict.
Great talk. Thank you. I was just reading the Oct. 2021 Gen Conf talk by Elder Renlund and he eludes to this same principle.
“Inspired by the example of his fellow Finns, my father chose to place his discipleship of Jesus Christ above all other considerations. The Finns were no less Finnish; the Russians were no less Russian; neither group abandoned their culture, history, or experiences to banish enmity. They did not need to. Instead, they chose to make their discipleship of Jesus Christ their primary consideration.”
I was exhausted this evening, but then I came across your Unshaken special Episode: Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy and found a place of learning and growing in just the place of my quandary. What a challenge it is to stay balanced and aware of those you come in contact with who are also God's precious children. Thank you for putting so much of your heart into helping those searching to find a place to start!! Kind of sad to be starting in old age, but as long as I live I hope to be a faithful follower of Jesus Christ. Thank You Jared for helping me feel like it is possible, always staying within the Lords' teachings. God Bless You
I remember a quote by Joseph Fielding Smith buried somewhere deep in my earlier years files stating that if we ever err in judgment it should be on the side of charity. This was significant to me when serving as a RS President at BYU. Thank you Brother Halverson for your sensitivity to the unorthodox and helping us “straight arrows” to better love and understand them.
Brother Halverson “I love you”….You are such a blessing with your gift of gospel teaching…I sooo needed to hear this at this time❤Thank you, Thank you, Thank you🙏🏽
Thank you for needed and timely message.
Wow! This was amazing! This is exactly what we need to prepare us to be a Zion people. Thank you for this and all your amazing Gospel lessons. You have blessed more lives than you'll ever know.
I have desperately wrestled with this very question for the last two days. Bless you!
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I watched this the first time alone and the second time with my hubby. It gave us pause to reflect on our relationship between ourselves, some family, and others and what/how can we "repair" damage w/o disharmony. We thank the Lord for His grace as we struggle to "digest" the core of your message: the balance b/t doctrine and harmony. I will need to listen often to this presentation to build on my grasp of its message. I can never thank you enough for your insight, your testimony, your wisdom and willingness to tirelessly share with God's children these profound truths. HUGS
Such a tender mercy to stumble on this message. The Lord’s timing is divine. Thank you for sharing His message of unity and peace.
This is the way to build Zion and gather Israel. I remember giving a talk many years ago and describing the wrestle between two seemingly opposing doctrines in the scriptures, and subsequently using an S. Michael Wilcox quote to help clarify the answer was in fact to use both…that both apply. That Christ does both and is both. I knew it was both, but for years didn’t quite understand why or how. etc…and now it seems only fitting to have you, Bro. Wilcox’s nephew, bring this revelation and insight to light in a way I can clearly understand. Thank you for your years of wrestling and for bringing this to light and sharing, helping to pave the path forward. I sat giddy on the front row of this presentation at the symposium with my sister and my dad, and couldn’t help but feel this was a moment to remember. Thank you for helping us to! Praise God!
I am so grateful of you for teaching by the Spirit. With 7 children, children in law and grandchildren you have open my heart and eyes about how to navigate between justice and mercy. There is not enough thank you I can write to let you know of how I feel.
This has been a Blessing. I have a Calvinist Friend, and another Friend who have been very Open about how they Feel about my Beliefs, and all I keep getting that comes to Mind is. "If ye are not one ye are not Mine." This balance between Orthodoxy, and Harmony is Truly what matters the most, and that Verse in the Book of Mormon resonates with me like never before although I must admit I've only been a Member a few years now.
Brother Jared! I've been watching since COVID. This was a great lesson. I learned from it. Thanks for sharing this. So many of us need this message!
Thank you for this, Bro. Halverson. I have been struggling with this very issue in my own family. I want to love as taught by the Savior, and I don’t want to seem like I am accepting or condoning sin. Between this presentation and Sister Runia’s talk from the Oct. conference, I’m getting a better understanding of how to apply love and mercy and keep the lines of communication open, all while standing by the tree and inviting through both my testimony and my actions. Sister Runia made such a great point in her talk that none of us has Christ’s power to condemn and we don’t have His power to redeem. What he has given to us is the power to love. I hope you are feeling better. Thank you to you and your lovely family for the sacrifices it takes to put out these podcasts.
Jared, Thanks for resharing this! I enjoyed watching it on BYU’s channel too. What a great discussion! As someone who has been on the wrong end of a discussion about Orthodox before it is nice to find more understanding that can be shared with others. This is truly inspired research at a time when it is most needed. I hope the church uses this for more leadership education. Thanks again for all you do!
I don't know where you find the time, but I'm so grateful for the sacrifices you (and you family) make for all of us. You have changed the lives of everyone in my family and we all love you for it. My oldest granddaughter will be in your religion class at BYU this spring. She is beside herself with anticipation. It will be great preparation for her mission this fall. Our prayers of gratitude are with you and your family.
Justice and Mercy. You need both.
I like Boyd K Packer's talk called "Mediator " which covers this. It perfectly explains how both are satisfied.
Bro. you hit the nail on the head!!! Thousands are leaving the church exactly because of this! Bless your heart for taking this issue head on and guiding us through with wisdom.!
I am so grateful for your presentation. As always, I learned so much. Thank you for your sacrifice of your time and effort to continue to teach us how to walk and stay on the straight and narrow path following our Savior.
Brother Halverson, I have been able to be watching and learning from your videos on Unshaken And other videos that I find.
This is a fantastic video. Second time watching it ❤ 15:29
I'm really loving this! I came across it on YT when it was first posted by BYU. So invigorating! 40+ years ago i learned from Stephen R. Covey, Put God first anf He will tell you what comes second. It has been so helpful and seems to go along with what you are saying here about Orthodoxy and Harmony. Thank YOU so much for all that you do to givr us inspired instruction!
This was amazing to me. I have been a member for 54 years and this has helped me sort things out in a much more orderly manner. Thank you for all the descriptions which clarigy many questions in every episode. I cannot thank you enough.
This talk lays out so clearly so many things I’ve been trying to wrestle with but couldn’t figure out. Thank you for sharing your message and laying things out in such a clear powerful way. I’m sharing this with several of my family members because I think they will enjoy it too!
Horse training is the practice of this talk,but so difficult to transfer to people,this talk is so great at putting words to action .
This is excellent. I have felt this for years and you have put this into words beautifully.
Thank you! This describes My husband and I so well. Given our situation at the moment, your thoughts and insights have been so helpful to me . I have found a lot of peace through your messages. Thank you 🤍
Strive for “a life of goodness and kindness” - yep!❤
I love this!!! Thank you, Brother Halverson!
Thank you Brother Halverson. I needed that.
Wow, Brother Halverson, this was SO HELPFUL FOR ME AND SO ESSENTIAL FOR ME, and I would venture to guess so essential to all!!! Thank you❣️❣️❣️🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖
I love this way of thinking. I was taught this example in the temple when Adam is faced with the decision to keep the vertical law, or to remain with Eve and love her. I’m so grateful he chose Eve with the faith that they will find a way to make it back to God. A great example of how spouses should deal with differences.. God does have a right way for situations, but he wants spouses to do it together. And sometimes He will be patient with spouses not doing things the right way, but at least they’re doing it together and can be molded and find their way to the right way.
This has helped me so much in my ministering, family relationships and just daily interactions with people from all walks of life. I have been a member of the church all my life and now, in my senior years, just feel like I am starting to really know and understand what this life is all about. Thank you so much for sharing your insight and helping me develop my own along the way.
I just finished watching this special episode of Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy and this was truly an answer to my prayer!
i’ve been trying to find a way to address some of my family members that are not members of the church about doing temple work for aunts, uncles and cousins that have passed on. I am very concerned that if I don’t address it correctly, I could compromise our relationship or even cast a shadow on their perception of our church doctrine. Thank you so much for your time and talent that you so willingly share. I am truly one that needs it and I’m grateful for it! 🥰😊
This is an over-the-top excellent discussion!❤
I really needed this lesson today. Thank you!
Yes! Your signature message imbedded in all your lectures! The law of balance! Truth and love! Justice and mercy must hold equal weight. This is also my biggest striving, to maintain my covenants and belief in the fullness if the gospel and still hold esteem in the agency and love of all men. The first and second great commandments! This has been MY message and hope! I long to help bring Zion and the world to this balance!
Brother Halverson, we "feast" on the words of inspiration you have to share about the Gospel. Thank you for doing all you do. The living words of Christ and all the prophets and apostles take on a clearer understanding with the guidance you help provide.
Thanks bro Halverson! Amazing!
Brother Halverson you are an immense influence on me for the gospel. I appreciate so very much efforts to help me learn and understand the gospel. You are one of my heroes. I pray you will continue teaching us!
Thanks for the great discussion Jared! Love your work and all you do! Ive shared this across all my social channels!
Thank you brother Halverson God bless you and your family we are blessed to have you
Oh my goodness! Thank you Brother Galveston! This is life changing.
wow, the lesson I needed it !. Thanks my teacher!
Thank you for sharing this with us. It is so clear and important. Jan
In data communication there is a principle, strict by the sender (orthodoxy) and permissive in the receiver (harmony).
I am having some difficulty finding a reliable name, it may be called the “Asymmetric Schema Principle”.
This would equate to erring toward orthodoxy for yourself, and erring toward harmony for others.
This is perfect wording and the way I try to walk because it’s how I’ve always perceived my Savior to be. So very Merciful to me.
Thanks for this, Brother Halverson. It's an answer to prayer.
Thank you for your sincere thoughtfulness and study that enriches all of us who are not as ambitious you’re amazing. Thank you again.
LOVE This! We could add Ammon's story in Alma 17 as the perfect example of pursuing harmony in order to achieve orthodoxy.
Wonderful connections laced with spectacular thoughts. Thank you 🫶🏼
This message made me think of Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, MLK, and countless women forgotten by history… “I destroy my enemies by making them my friends”…great leaders who understood this concept and brought to pass great changes in society.
How beautiful and inspiring! Thank you, muchas gracias, merci, danke schön, Brother Halverson! May the Lord continue to guide and bless you and your family.♥️🙏🎶👏🇺🇸
Incredibly appreciative of this talk and of your concern for everyone. I have learned so much from listening to your Unshaken series. This talk was especially needed at a time such as this. Thank you.
That was amazing! So enlightening and really encouraging. Thank you, Brother Halverson!
Wonderful presentation. This has been a wrestle of mine for sometime now.
It seems that the example of Captain Moroni was one where the orthodoxy and even the possibility of freedom was about to be lost. And in this case, harmony was not a possibility until the orthodoxy of freedom was once again established. Without freedom all other orthodoxy was lost.
Now it also appears that we are in an age where politically we are not so much left/right debate as it is establishment(kingmen) against freeman.
Our Ether 8 moment is upon us. And in this our Ether 8 moment, we as a people are reticent to acknowledge that a society of natural men almost automatically order themselves using secret combinations. This is a pervasive theme and orthodoxy in the Book of Mormon that has become silenced in being harmonious. While "conspiracy theories" need to be discerned carefully, still we ought to regard this portion of the Book of Mormon as meaningful and not deny it for sake of harmony or even perhaps simply popularity.
Again I express my appreciation Brother Halverson for this wonderful presentation and hopefully present some orthodoxy in the most harmonious way I know how 🙂
This is so beautifully and masterfully done. Thank you so much.
A deep dive we all need to take. ❤❤❤ Loved it and you!!
Don’t be surprised if your name gets written in on the presidential ballot because that was absolutely wonderful.
Right?!!!!!
I really appreciated the last five or 10 minutes or so of this talk. I think you did a wonderful job showing how difficult this really is when the rubber meets the road. President Holland recently talked about abhorring the sin and loving the sinner. Separating the value of a soul from the sin they are committing, will help us to choose the best approach and help that person to come onto Christ.
Thank you, Brother Halverson.
I really loved this message!
Near the end of your talk, I thought of Doctrine and Covenants Section 138 vs 36-37:
"Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh; That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words."
The orthodoxy was that the Savior could not go among the spirits who had already rebelled against Him and His proohets, but harmony (mercy) provided a way for others to do that.
Yes, the Spirit World seems to have similar socialality that may allow some to be more influential than others. Obviously the more we learn in this life the more we will be able to serve in the next.
This might be the answer to my many prayers. How to help my sons and daughters, come back to the church. I pray this is the inspired answer I am looking for. It is hard when as a parent I know the "right" and they don't see it, and they are kicking holes in the walls of our house, but maybe if I can foster a relationship that creates trust, then when I teach truth they will be more apt to listen and hear. As missionaries we first tried to build a relationship then teach the gospel. When things worked well that is what happened.
Thank you very much from Australia. Really struggled with this for ages and lost friends because of this
Answers my question of 20 years also!! ❤
This is the crux of discipleship. As Bro Hal said, Christ is the perfect balance of both and thus is our calling to follow Him, to be one as He is. My question is, for a friend, if you are a hardcore Orthodox how do you gain some of that harmony? If you are hardwired to focus on the rules and people's feelings are immaterial to you, how does one gain some of that mercy?
Get on your knees and pray to ask for some of Jesus' mercy given to you until you understand it and feel it for others yourself,❤️🙏
Once you have experienced His love and mercy, then you can extend it to others. We can't give what we haven't received.
i loved this thank you
Gallop has some research that seems to support something you said. They say our weaknesses are many times are our strengths in overdrive.
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 how many hearts can I add to tell you how amazing this video is? Thank you SO very much.
Thank you very much for your work.
Thank you.
I had to look up the definition of “orthodoxy”. With the amount of passion that you gave to this topic I could not stop and ask myself if you’re having a personal issue or perhaps with a ward or stake leader? It’s not up to us to decide whether or not someone takes the sacrament. A bishop has the keys for that decision. You never once mentioned the gift of revelation. The spirit trumps horizontal and vertical. I would never put my children in front of a molester of any degree, and yes, even if it hurt that persons feelings or they left the church. I’m in the “Bible Belt” nearly my entire 64 years. What is going on in the state of Utah?
Very valid points.
Brilliant! This is so profound. When’s your book going to be published?
Can you please add this to your podcast so I can also listen while I drive without using up all my data? I’ve watched and shared this and would like to be able to revisit it many times.
Excellent talk. Love your podcast Thank you. Can I get a transcript anywhere?
Brother Halverson. After watching the BYU release, the message has already blessed my life in significant ways. Is their a way to get the written version?
Thank you for this and all you do to help build faith in the Savior.
That was amazing. SO helpful. So relatable. Please let us know where we might find the picture of the Lion and the Lamb. And the Savior leading the sheep on the narrow path.
Thank you so much for this video. It's is extremely helpful! However, what I struggle with more sometimes is not the vertical or the horizontal. I'm supposed to love my neighbor as myself, I can't figure out how to balance those two things. I'm in a good spot between me and Heavenly Father, the vertical part. How do I love others AND myself? How do I prove the contrary between compassion/service to others and my own sanity/inner peace? I can't pour from an empty cup. 🤔
Excellent point. This talk seems to be something similar to liberation theology.
Temple is more important than church but church leads to temple ❣️❣️❣️
Wow thank you
Excellent. thank you so much.
I enjoy listening to you so very very much… Brother Halverson. I always walk away learning a lot and wanting to hear more from you. I am serving a Senior Full Time MLS Local Mission here in Payson Utah. It would be be such an honor to have you speak in one of our next Zone meetings. What is the possibilities?
thank you
Brother Jared,
I love you, and I've loved listening to your Unshaken videos for almost 4 years now. I recently watched your recommended special episode “Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy.” I think I got the essence of your wonderful message to default to mercy to preserve relationship on the way to unity with God unless prompted by the Spirit to use orthodoxy first. Yet I feel urged to share some feedback about two of the pictures you used towards the end of your talk, particularly the last one.
As you confessed your error in impulsively saying to a student “Just don't err”, you were grateful to revise your answer the next class time. However, to me, the picture you used at the end of your talk still says “Just don't err...or else!” It felt scary because I couldn't see the Savior's relentless redemption that you mentioned portrayed in the picture. I don't see my Savior going before me, shepherding me. I see a dangerous path, with my Savior behind me, bidding me walk ahead without Him by my side, with no hope on either side for rescue or survival if I should err. I do not like that picture at all and was sorry I had to see it at the end of your presentation. I don't think it fit the essence of your revised message at all.
Now I'm wondering if the idea of proving contraries has swung too far to one side and needs to be balanced more with some wisdom of the heart and soul for that journey along that strait and narrow path, like “Follow me.” “Walk with me.” “I will not leave you nor forsake you.”, D&C 84:88, etc. which offers more assurance than just a whisper from Isaiah.
The same goes for the political image. I don't see how political differences in ideology will ever be solved by facing each other trying to prove contraries until the enmity influence of the serpent on members of both parties is overcome by repentance and looking upward to Christ for a change of heart. I would love to see some angels floating above the donkey and elephant, and I think the rope in the picture could/should represent the serpent's role in it all as an influence interfering with the balancing effort.
Anyway, I want to erase or modify those pictures now in my mind; and if you used AI to design them, then I can better understand why I see only difficulty and danger and feel no soul nor hope in them. Your recent picture for 2 Nephi 31 on Unshaken shows the Savior leading the way on a path without the precipitous cliffs on both sides. I find that more enticing with love and assurance rather than so much danger and fear. I love this quote by Robert Vallet: “The human heart feels things the eyes cannot see, and knows what the mind cannot understand.” I suppose academics requires focus on the mind rather than intuitive feelings, but perhaps that's a contrary to be balanced also.
I've tried to give this feedback in as much love and truth as I can. You help so many with your gifts of intellect and scholarship and concern for people and their faith, especially in crisis. Thank you for that! Your gifts are a powerful influence for good. With much love and respect, a fan.
Betty Martin
Maybe you're too young to remember the show, Kung Fu, starring David Carideen. It was one of my favorite shows growing up, next to Star Trek. Anyway, Grasshopper was always told by his mentor, "Balance, Grasshopper." That concept has been a guiding influence in my life ever since. So much so, that several years ago, when I was studying the martial arts and preparing to become a Black Belt, one of the requirements was that we had to write a thesis paper. The style I was studying was Taekwondo, a Korean art. The title for my paper was..."Pilsung Through Balance." Pilsung is the Korean word for Victory. God bless the Grasshoppers and Jared Halversons of the world!!!!!🤗😘
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Shukran 🙏🏻
I would like to say a special thank you to ALL of my elders, for having the strength to lovingly speak truth❤
-Sister Jason Clevenger
Retransitioner (Ftf) 😅
Worry, a subtle thief in the night's guise,
Sows seeds of unease in once tranquil minds.
True love, in contrast, is a steady flame,
Guiding, uplifting in life's complex game.
It’s the hand that supports in times of need,
The voice that encourages good deeds to seed.
In this distinction, clarity we find:
Though worry feels a lot like love, it's of a different kind.
Disguised as concern, critical words impose,
A firm grip, not to uplift but to tightly enclose.
Mistaken for love, its sharp edges cut deep,
Shaping behavior, not nurturing the seed.
Yet in wisdom's light, truths gently unfold,
"Love is patient, love is kind," agelessly told.
Choosing understanding over scorn's harsh lance,
In acts of warmth, we echo love's timeless expanse.
In family’s gaze, Christ’s teachings I recall,
Seeing good, accepting them, one and all.
His love, a beacon in life's intricate dance,
Guiding us to love, in every circumstance.
Like Lehi, I stand by the Tree of Life's side,
Steadfast in faith, with righteousness as my guide.
Beckoning loved ones with a smile so bright,
Showing God's love is the truest light.
In the joy of the gospel, my heart does sing,
Offering love as the fruit I bring.
Respecting each sacred choice they make,
With love, example, and patience, their souls to awake.
As the gardener knows, with each seed he sows,
Patience is key as each young petal grows.
We can't pull the stem, nor force the bud to show,
In faith's tender garden, gentle waters flow.
Care and nurture, the tools we employ,
For faith, like a bloom, is a delicate joy.
In the warmth of love and time's embrace,
Faith blossoms forth at its own natural pace.
If virtues call in whispers soft and clear,
Or beauty shines in forms both far and near,
Let hearts pursue, with eager, open sight,
All that is good, and lovely, and right.
Your poem is beautiful!
I just stumbled across this presentation and am early in watching it. I have a previous Bishop of our ward who is clear and vocal about hating the right and Trump in particular. He is openly critical of any Republicans when he teaches priesthood lessons. His wife taught RS two weeks ago and went on and on about Taylor Swift and her lover football star and how they are tremendous role models. I was taken aback as I have not watched or cared for Taylor Swift, the way she dresses, dances, rails against Republicans, and openly insults others who do not believe the way she does. I don't know anything about her boyfriend. When teaching a lesson on role models, my thoughts would be more like Elder Holland and his wife. I am struggling with what others are teaching in this Ward. I am not shaken just confused as a 70-year-old who has been on a mission, married in the Temple, married 43 years, raised a great family, 5 times HP group leader, two Bishoprics, countess times as GD teacher. As you can see I am probably in need of this presentation. I will respond after watching this talk several times to see if I get it.
You seem like someone seeing the truth
Wow! That couple are way over the left side and may be tipping members off of the scale!
It sounds to me like you are a citizen of Zion living in a fallen world, light years ahead of your neighbors in spiritual maturity and development. Finding the balance starts with remembering your center point. Welcome to the club!!!
@gregjack6809 I think liberation theology has taken over a good number of members theology. I think this message from Jared Halverson might be on that slippery slope. But in the end I am not the judge.
I question the substance of Halvorsen’s message, as well. The Gospel is much plainer. I’ve got your back, Brother! Hang in there!
Jared you are one of my favorite speakers. Why will you not go on to Michelle Stones podcast? She has invited you to bring your knowledge and share any insights you may have with her and her audience. Her message is very relevant right now as many people are leaving the church because of polygamy. Let's bring people information and let them find truth which we all need right now!
Wait, has he turned down an invitation to be on 132Problems? I figured he was talking about John Dehlin or something like that. That would make me so sad if he didn’t want to talk to Michelle.
God loves you!
Are you familiar with or listened to the Evangelical "Pastor Jeff" and his podcast "Hello Saints"? I see him as approaching our theological differences with curiosity and respect to better understand the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints instead of railing against us. We're both trying to follow the same Jesus.
" to love the world to me is no chore, the problem I have is with my neighbour next door"
Love this! Sounds like paradise if everyone lived harmoniously. I truly have a question though, when you say the raising generation is trying to correct our mistakes, what does that mean? Thanks!!!
Most of this went over my head. Which in some ways worries me that I am not finding this balance you speak of. I have a hard time understanding what it is being asked to balance.
PLEASE MAKE A NON-DENOMINATIONAL VERSION OF THIS! It's absolutely amazing. I want to share it with everyone I know, but I'm afraid that alot of people would reject it out of hand simply because a "Mormon" gave it. I have friends who have left the church, I have Evangelical friends. This is so important that the world should have it. Oh, that I were an angel, and could preach this to everyone on earth. ;^)
❤oh so beautiful, something that we all need to learn deeply. I speak for myself and im sure many of us are blessed to hear this. Do you have this in writing? If you do could I get a pbf, please? Thank you for your work!
Thank you. Balance is the key. ❤
Thank you!