Unshaken Special Episode: Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- An Unshaken special episode featuring a Sperry Symposium presentation by Jared Halverson. In it, he discusses the difficult balance between orthodoxy and harmony, or between the First Great Commandment (loving God) and the Second Great Commandment (loving our neighbor). What do you do when those two imperatives seem to come into conflict? Whether in political issues, interfaith dialogues, generation gaps, or conversations between Church members and former members, how do we prove these contraries?
Boom! This is how we Gather Israel! I've been following you online for years now, Brother Halverson. Thank you for helping us know Jesus Christ and become his disciples.
I’m sure he is very excited for this and that he’s not 😊Thanks for sharing your story and story with us and we hope you enjoy it as much as we qqqqq😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
This was just what I needed to hear. Thank you!
Just one thought to add.
If by change someone you love moves too far from either side of the path, and falls off the cliff. Let’s be first responders, not judges.
Be at that bottom of the cliff and bring that person safely back to the fold and let the judge of Israel decide what is best for him or her. Let us just love, that is our job as first responders.
We are to minister and bind up wounds.
Let’s be ministering Samaritans.
Oh my goodness this has been such a revelation to me today right in time to meet my family tomorrow for my father’s 95th birthday party … with them being not members of the church or religious at all and usually mocking me for who I am and what i believe. Thank you thank you brother halverson that was fantastic. Its been an answer to my prayers today of asking for heavenly assistance how to deal with tomorrow.
Love this from inklings❤ so good!
Jared, I know what you taught is true. And it helps me to know how to be a better therapist, a better wife, and a better mother. i’m being trained as a Gottman marriage therapist right now. I have learned that relationship masters have a 5 to 1 positive to negative ratio of their comments toward each other during conflict. During the positive times the ratio of positive to negative is 20 to 1. The highly talented couples always are able to weave humor and connection through their conflict.
Witnessed this speech in person- it blew my mind. The same was true when I was first introduced to proving contraries by him. Bro Hal was right when he said that when you look for contraries, you see them everywhere. After listening to his talks and my own experience, I find we all either have a zeal for justice or for mercy and it isn’t until we embrace the other that we’ll be His people again. It’s Christ who marries justice and mercy together. Therefore, it’s only through Him that we achieve it. I hope Bro Hal gets called as a general authority and gives this talk in General Conference- we all desperately need to hear it.
Thank you for needed and timely message.
Such a tender mercy to stumble on this message. The Lord’s timing is divine. Thank you for sharing His message of unity and peace.
I am so grateful of you for teaching by the Spirit. With 7 children, children in law and grandchildren you have open my heart and eyes about how to navigate between justice and mercy. There is not enough thank you I can write to let you know of how I feel.
Great talk. Thank you. I was just reading the Oct. 2021 Gen Conf talk by Elder Renlund and he eludes to this same principle.
“Inspired by the example of his fellow Finns, my father chose to place his discipleship of Jesus Christ above all other considerations. The Finns were no less Finnish; the Russians were no less Russian; neither group abandoned their culture, history, or experiences to banish enmity. They did not need to. Instead, they chose to make their discipleship of Jesus Christ their primary consideration.”
Wow! This was amazing! This is exactly what we need to prepare us to be a Zion people. Thank you for this and all your amazing Gospel lessons. You have blessed more lives than you'll ever know.
I am so grateful for your presentation. As always, I learned so much. Thank you for your sacrifice of your time and effort to continue to teach us how to walk and stay on the straight and narrow path following our Savior.
Wow, Brother Halverson, this was SO HELPFUL FOR ME AND SO ESSENTIAL FOR ME, and I would venture to guess so essential to all!!! Thank you❣️❣️❣️🙏💖🙏💖🙏💖
Brother Halverson, we "feast" on the words of inspiration you have to share about the Gospel. Thank you for doing all you do. The living words of Christ and all the prophets and apostles take on a clearer understanding with the guidance you help provide.
Thank you for this, Bro. Halverson. I have been struggling with this very issue in my own family. I want to love as taught by the Savior, and I don’t want to seem like I am accepting or condoning sin. Between this presentation and Sister Runia’s talk from the Oct. conference, I’m getting a better understanding of how to apply love and mercy and keep the lines of communication open, all while standing by the tree and inviting through both my testimony and my actions. Sister Runia made such a great point in her talk that none of us has Christ’s power to condemn and we don’t have His power to redeem. What he has given to us is the power to love. I hope you are feeling better. Thank you to you and your lovely family for the sacrifices it takes to put out these podcasts.
I just finished watching this special episode of Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy and this was truly an answer to my prayer!
i’ve been trying to find a way to address some of my family members that are not members of the church about doing temple work for aunts, uncles and cousins that have passed on. I am very concerned that if I don’t address it correctly, I could compromise our relationship or even cast a shadow on their perception of our church doctrine. Thank you so much for your time and talent that you so willingly share. I am truly one that needs it and I’m grateful for it! 🥰😊
Wonderful presentation. This has been a wrestle of mine for sometime now.
It seems that the example of Captain Moroni was one where the orthodoxy and even the possibility of freedom was about to be lost. And in this case, harmony was not a possibility until the orthodoxy of freedom was once again established. Without freedom all other orthodoxy was lost.
Now it also appears that we are in an age where politically we are not so much left/right debate as it is establishment(kingmen) against freeman.
Our Ether 8 moment is upon us. And in this our Ether 8 moment, we as a people are reticent to acknowledge that a society of natural men almost automatically order themselves using secret combinations. This is a pervasive theme and orthodoxy in the Book of Mormon that has become silenced in being harmonious. While "conspiracy theories" need to be discerned carefully, still we ought to regard this portion of the Book of Mormon as meaningful and not deny it for sake of harmony or even perhaps simply popularity.
Again I express my appreciation Brother Halverson for this wonderful presentation and hopefully present some orthodoxy in the most harmonious way I know how 🙂
I love this!!! Thank you, Brother Halverson!
I watched this the first time alone and the second time with my hubby. It gave us pause to reflect on our relationship between ourselves, some family, and others and what/how can we "repair" damage w/o disharmony. We thank the Lord for His grace as we struggle to "digest" the core of your message: the balance b/t doctrine and harmony. I will need to listen often to this presentation to build on my grasp of its message. I can never thank you enough for your insight, your testimony, your wisdom and willingness to tirelessly share with God's children these profound truths. HUGS
Bro. you hit the nail on the head!!! Thousands are leaving the church exactly because of this! Bless your heart for taking this issue head on and guiding us through with wisdom.!
Horse training is the practice of this talk,but so difficult to transfer to people,this talk is so great at putting words to action .
Near the end of your talk, I thought of Doctrine and Covenants Section 138 vs 36-37:
"Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh; That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words."
The orthodoxy was that the Savior could not go among the spirits who had already rebelled against Him and His proohets, but harmony (mercy) provided a way for others to do that.
Yes, the Spirit World seems to have similar socialality that may allow some to be more influential than others. Obviously the more we learn in this life the more we will be able to serve in the next.
This has been a Blessing. I have a Calvinist Friend, and another Friend who have been very Open about how they Feel about my Beliefs, and all I keep getting that comes to Mind is. "If ye are not one ye are not Mine." This balance between Orthodoxy, and Harmony is Truly what matters the most, and that Verse in the Book of Mormon resonates with me like never before although I must admit I've only been a Member a few years now.
Brother Jared! I've been watching since COVID. This was a great lesson. I learned from it. Thanks for sharing this. So many of us need this message!
This talk lays out so clearly so many things I’ve been trying to wrestle with but couldn’t figure out. Thank you for sharing your message and laying things out in such a clear powerful way. I’m sharing this with several of my family members because I think they will enjoy it too!
I really needed this lesson today. Thank you!
I'm really loving this! I came across it on YT when it was first posted by BYU. So invigorating! 40+ years ago i learned from Stephen R. Covey, Put God first anf He will tell you what comes second. It has been so helpful and seems to go along with what you are saying here about Orthodoxy and Harmony. Thank YOU so much for all that you do to givr us inspired instruction!
Brother Halverson, I have been able to be watching and learning from your videos on Unshaken And other videos that I find.
This is a fantastic video. Second time watching it ❤ 15:29
How beautiful and inspiring! Thank you, muchas gracias, merci, danke schön, Brother Halverson! May the Lord continue to guide and bless you and your family.♥️🙏🎶👏🇺🇸
Thanks bro Halverson! Amazing!
I love this way of thinking. I was taught this example in the temple when Adam is faced with the decision to keep the vertical law, or to remain with Eve and love her. I’m so grateful he chose Eve with the faith that they will find a way to make it back to God. A great example of how spouses should deal with differences.. God does have a right way for situations, but he wants spouses to do it together. And sometimes He will be patient with spouses not doing things the right way, but at least they’re doing it together and can be molded and find their way to the right way.
Thanks for the great discussion Jared! Love your work and all you do! Ive shared this across all my social channels!
Thank you for sharing this with us. It is so clear and important. Jan
Yes! Your signature message imbedded in all your lectures! The law of balance! Truth and love! Justice and mercy must hold equal weight. This is also my biggest striving, to maintain my covenants and belief in the fullness if the gospel and still hold esteem in the agency and love of all men. The first and second great commandments! This has been MY message and hope! I long to help bring Zion and the world to this balance!
This message made me think of Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln, MLK, and countless women forgotten by history… “I destroy my enemies by making them my friends”…great leaders who understood this concept and brought to pass great changes in society.
Oh my goodness! Thank you Brother Galveston! This is life changing.
Don’t be surprised if your name gets written in on the presidential ballot because that was absolutely wonderful.
Right?!!!!!
This is excellent. I have felt this for years and you have put this into words beautifully.
Incredibly appreciative of this talk and of your concern for everyone. I have learned so much from listening to your Unshaken series. This talk was especially needed at a time such as this. Thank you.
LOVE This! We could add Ammon's story in Alma 17 as the perfect example of pursuing harmony in order to achieve orthodoxy.
This is so beautifully and masterfully done. Thank you so much.
Wonderful connections laced with spectacular thoughts. Thank you 🫶🏼
Thanks for this, Brother Halverson. It's an answer to prayer.
Maybe you're too young to remember the show, Kung Fu, starring David Carideen. It was one of my favorite shows growing up, next to Star Trek. Anyway, Grasshopper was always told by his mentor, "Balance, Grasshopper." That concept has been a guiding influence in my life ever since. So much so, that several years ago, when I was studying the martial arts and preparing to become a Black Belt, one of the requirements was that we had to write a thesis paper. The style I was studying was Taekwondo, a Korean art. The title for my paper was..."Pilsung Through Balance." Pilsung is the Korean word for Victory. God bless the Grasshoppers and Jared Halversons of the world!!!!!🤗😘
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That was amazing! So enlightening and really encouraging. Thank you, Brother Halverson!
Thank you very much from Australia. Really struggled with this for ages and lost friends because of this
I really loved this message!
Answers my question of 20 years also!! ❤
Gallop has some research that seems to support something you said. They say our weaknesses are many times are our strengths in overdrive.
Brother Halverson “I love you”….You are such a blessing with your gift of gospel teaching…I sooo needed to hear this at this time❤Thank you, Thank you, Thank you🙏🏽
" to love the world to me is no chore, the problem I have is with my neighbour next door"
This is the crux of discipleship. As Bro Hal said, Christ is the perfect balance of both and thus is our calling to follow Him, to be one as He is. My question is, for a friend, if you are a hardcore Orthodox how do you gain some of that harmony? If you are hardwired to focus on the rules and people's feelings are immaterial to you, how does one gain some of that mercy?
Get on your knees and pray to ask for some of Jesus' mercy given to you until you understand it and feel it for others yourself,❤️🙏
Once you have experienced His love and mercy, then you can extend it to others. We can't give what we haven't received.
I just stumbled across this presentation and am early in watching it. I have a previous Bishop of our ward who is clear and vocal about hating the right and Trump in particular. He is openly critical of any Republicans when he teaches priesthood lessons. His wife taught RS two weeks ago and went on and on about Taylor Swift and her lover football star and how they are tremendous role models. I was taken aback as I have not watched or cared for Taylor Swift, the way she dresses, dances, rails against Republicans, and openly insults others who do not believe the way she does. I don't know anything about her boyfriend. When teaching a lesson on role models, my thoughts would be more like Elder Holland and his wife. I am struggling with what others are teaching in this Ward. I am not shaken just confused as a 70-year-old who has been on a mission, married in the Temple, married 43 years, raised a great family, 5 times HP group leader, two Bishoprics, countess times as GD teacher. As you can see I am probably in need of this presentation. I will respond after watching this talk several times to see if I get it.
You seem like someone seeing the truth
Wow! That couple are way over the left side and may be tipping members off of the scale!
It sounds to me like you are a citizen of Zion living in a fallen world, light years ahead of your neighbors in spiritual maturity and development. Finding the balance starts with remembering your center point. Welcome to the club!!!
@gregjack6809 I think liberation theology has taken over a good number of members theology. I think this message from Jared Halverson might be on that slippery slope. But in the end I am not the judge.
I question the substance of Halvorsen’s message, as well. The Gospel is much plainer. I’ve got your back, Brother! Hang in there!
Can you please add this to your podcast so I can also listen while I drive without using up all my data? I’ve watched and shared this and would like to be able to revisit it many times.
Thank you very much for your work.
I had to look up the definition of “orthodoxy”. With the amount of passion that you gave to this topic I could not stop and ask myself if you’re having a personal issue or perhaps with a ward or stake leader? It’s not up to us to decide whether or not someone takes the sacrament. A bishop has the keys for that decision. You never once mentioned the gift of revelation. The spirit trumps horizontal and vertical. I would never put my children in front of a molester of any degree, and yes, even if it hurt that persons feelings or they left the church. I’m in the “Bible Belt” nearly my entire 64 years. What is going on in the state of Utah?
Very valid points.
Jared you are one of my favorite speakers. Why will you not go on to Michelle Stones podcast? She has invited you to bring your knowledge and share any insights you may have with her and her audience. Her message is very relevant right now as many people are leaving the church because of polygamy. Let's bring people information and let them find truth which we all need right now!
Wait, has he turned down an invitation to be on 132Problems? I figured he was talking about John Dehlin or something like that. That would make me so sad if he didn’t want to talk to Michelle.
i loved this thank you
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 how many hearts can I add to tell you how amazing this video is? Thank you SO very much.
Temple is more important than church but church leads to temple ❣️❣️❣️
Thank you. Balance is the key. ❤
PLEASE MAKE A NON-DENOMINATIONAL VERSION OF THIS! It's absolutely amazing. I want to share it with everyone I know, but I'm afraid that alot of people would reject it out of hand simply because a "Mormon" gave it. I have friends who have left the church, I have Evangelical friends. This is so important that the world should have it. Oh, that I were an angel, and could preach this to everyone on earth. ;^)
Wow thank you
God loves you!
thank you
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Shukran 🙏🏻
I would like to say a special thank you to ALL of my elders, for having the strength to lovingly speak truth❤
-Sister Jason Clevenger
Retransitioner (Ftf) 😅
Thank you!
❤oh so beautiful, something that we all need to learn deeply. I speak for myself and im sure many of us are blessed to hear this. Do you have this in writing? If you do could I get a pbf, please? Thank you for your work!
Most of this went over my head. Which in some ways worries me that I am not finding this balance you speak of. I have a hard time understanding what it is being asked to balance.
Thank you so much for this video. It's is extremely helpful! However, what I struggle with more sometimes is not the vertical or the horizontal. I'm supposed to love my neighbor as myself, I can't figure out how to balance those two things. I'm in a good spot between me and Heavenly Father, the vertical part. How do I love others AND myself? How do I prove the contrary between compassion/service to others and my own sanity/inner peace? I can't pour from an empty cup. 🤔
Excellent point. This talk seems to be something similar to liberation theology.
Love this! Sounds like paradise if everyone lived harmoniously. I truly have a question though, when you say the raising generation is trying to correct our mistakes, what does that mean? Thanks!!!
Thank you! Is there a place to get the paper associated with this?
I’m struck by just how difficult a contrary this is. Especially because the world’s standards are SO out of whack
Love it
Can you add this to your podcast, please! 🙏
The acceptance that there is a Christ integer that can be added, subtracted, divided or multiplied anywhere it’s needed depending on varying values of your existing formula?
I do not understand the question.
Amen ♥️🫶🏽♥️
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Can you do more trainings like this, if the Spirit allows?
To Susan Ryan. That is not now The Book of Mormon was translated. Read Hannah Stoddard. She has done excellent research on this topic.
Hannah Stoddard is very good at explaining things!
I think the fastener that joins the two beams is Agency. You cannot successfully have orthodoxy or harmony with a violation of the Law of Agency.
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I think this boarders "liberation theology" principles. Politics is supposed to be about right & wrong not donkey or elephant. & "The gateway to Christianity is not through an intracate labyrinth of dogma, but by a simple belief in the person of Christ." - Norman V Peale (1888-1993)
2 Nephi 25: 26 & we talked of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, & we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. 27 "Wherefore, we speak concerning the law, that our children may know the deadness of the law... 29 & Christ is the Holy One of Isreal; wherefore ye must bow down before Him & worship Him
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Can I get a copy of this talk.?
Thank u
March 3 2024. A family I know decided to stop going to church due to things they have read concerning Joseph translating the Book of Mormon. They said he very rarely had the golden plates and looked in a hat to translate. What would you tell them other than to read the book. Thanks Susan neldon
Joseph Smith never said that was how he translated The Book of Mormon. Read Hannah Stoddard, Steer Stone of Urim and Thummim. She does excellent research.
Read the gospel topics essays on the church website and you'll find the info about the rock in the hat. Even the church has had to come out in recent years owning up to the correct information.
When Moses 7:18 is fully realized, if we "his people", truly have one heart and one mind I don't think there will be detrimental levels of idleness, idolatry, drug use, anxiety, selfishness, pride, envy, fear...More people will know how to fish. When 3rd nephi happened there were many other people that were not "His" who were not one.
I don't like the suggested silos of political right caring more about righteousness and left more about having no poor, especially when addressing members of the church who politically lean right and give more time energy talent any money than any other significantly sized demographic in the nation. And then again suggesting that washing feet being left vs right of taking the sacrament. The political left and right have different orthodoxy. They define "righteousness" very differently than what Jesus does. The argument for the message would be stronger without the level of political superimpositions used. The fulcrum placements and lengths of the levers would have to be modified significantly with every situation.
But i care because it's an important message. I see the devilish contention in church because of politics. I see what very orthodox parenting can do to family relationships. It is definitely a needed message and I appreciate the attention brought to it.
Oops. I mean Halverson!
Excellent! But your colors should be switched.
Stop reading from the book of Morman. Only the New Testament is needed for salvation.
Much much love to you. Despite our differences, may God bless you for your faith in Christ! ❤
You're on the wrong platform for that remark. Not going to get very far with it. But seems you have...have you read what you are rejecting? FYI: Ignorance is NOT bliss. You don't know what you're missing.
I was exhausted this evening, but then I came across your Unshaken special Episode: Harmony in Pursuit of Orthodoxy and found a place of learning and growing in just the place of my quandary. What a challenge it is to stay balanced and aware of those you come in contact with who are also God's precious children. Thank you for putting so much of your heart into helping those searching to find a place to start!! Kind of sad to be starting in old age, but as long as I live I hope to be a faithful follower of Jesus Christ. Thank You Jared for helping me feel like it is possible, always staying within the Lords' teachings. God Bless You
In data communication there is a principle, strict by the sender (orthodoxy) and permissive in the receiver (harmony).
I am having some difficulty finding a reliable name, it may be called the “Asymmetric Schema Principle”.
This would equate to erring toward orthodoxy for yourself, and erring toward harmony for others.
This is perfect wording and the way I try to walk because it’s how I’ve always perceived my Savior to be. So very Merciful to me.
Thank you! This describes My husband and I so well. Given our situation at the moment, your thoughts and insights have been so helpful to me . I have found a lot of peace through your messages. Thank you 🤍
I remember a quote by Joseph Fielding Smith buried somewhere deep in my earlier years files stating that if we ever err in judgment it should be on the side of charity. This was significant to me when serving as a RS President at BYU. Thank you Brother Halverson for your sensitivity to the unorthodox and helping us “straight arrows” to better love and understand them.
Jared, Thanks for resharing this! I enjoyed watching it on BYU’s channel too. What a great discussion! As someone who has been on the wrong end of a discussion about Orthodox before it is nice to find more understanding that can be shared with others. This is truly inspired research at a time when it is most needed. I hope the church uses this for more leadership education. Thanks again for all you do!
Brilliant! This is so profound. When’s your book going to be published?
This is the way to build Zion and gather Israel. I remember giving a talk many years ago and describing the wrestle between two seemingly opposing doctrines in the scriptures, and subsequently using an S. Michael Wilcox quote to help clarify the answer was in fact to use both…that both apply. That Christ does both and is both. I knew it was both, but for years didn’t quite understand why or how. etc…and now it seems only fitting to have you, Bro. Wilcox’s nephew, bring this revelation and insight to light in a way I can clearly understand. Thank you for your years of wrestling and for bringing this to light and sharing, helping to pave the path forward. I sat giddy on the front row of this presentation at the symposium with my sister and my dad, and couldn’t help but feel this was a moment to remember. Thank you for helping us to! Praise God!
Thank you Brother Halverson. I needed that.
I have desperately wrestled with this very question for the last two days. Bless you!
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Strive for “a life of goodness and kindness” - yep!❤
Brother Halverson. After watching the BYU release, the message has already blessed my life in significant ways. Is their a way to get the written version?
Thank you for this and all you do to help build faith in the Savior.