You Need This Pedal If You Play Van Halen! | Van Halen Tone In a Box!
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- In this video, I show you guys how I achieve Eddie Van Halen's iconic guitar tone, using the Mooer Pitch Box. This pedal is great for those that love to play the tunes from the Sammy Hagar (Van Hagar) years of Van Halen!
During the 90s, Eddie used several Eventide rack mount harmonizers to capture his huge stereo sound, especially on albums like "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" and "Balance" I have always love this tone and wanted to find a way to capture it on a budget. I have to say that I think this pedal does a pretty great job! What did you guys think of this tone?!
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Jake, that link doesn't take you to that box
jpcyphers whatcha mean?
@@jaketanis3069 does it really take 6 minutes for a five-second snippet of this pedal? Way too much talking and you didn't even show the full range. Go smoke some more dope
What songs were you playing in the begining?
joe fox Hey Joe. I decided to go check out your channel to check out the proper way to do a review. Didn’t see anything? Huh, strange since you seem to be an expert. Come on dude, criticism is more than welcome but don’t be a dick. No need for it these days.
It's close enough to have fun playing Van Halen covers with at a gig. Sounds nice period. I enjoyed the video.
I can has cheezburger?
Hearing Runaround being played with Bumblebee just warped my brain.
Tahoe Steve haha I broke the system.
Mooer is killing it with these mini pedals. So many great stuff. Their modeling pedals sound awesome too.
They damn sure are. I have about a dozen of them, most of them modeling pedals, and can get some really great sounds.
The balance album is such a rich tone. Besides the legendary tones from early days, that is my favorite.
j.d. r. Absolutely love the balance album. Underrated in my opinion. It was definitely a different direction but damn that albums kicks ass.
@@jaketanis3069 That album kicks ass minus like 4 tracks. Crossover should have been on the album and not a single. Strung out should not have been there. One song should have been on a Sammy Hagar solo album. And I love the blues riff in Big Fat Money.
Hey man, I actually ordered one of these because of this video and I love it. Best guitar sound I've ever had. Thanks!
Awesome to hear! Rip some Van Hagar for me!
Nice tone find! An affordable option for some VH fun! Well done, it is great to see young people keeping the EVH vibe going!!! Nice Kramer and playing!
I can't believe how many people down here are saying this sounds nothing like Eddie's tone...that's ridiculous,this sounds very convincing to my ear..I mean geez what more do you want ,great tone man and great playing..thanks for sharing this.
It has the doubling effect without the big stereo field and transparency($$$). That’s probably why. But it will work close enough for 20 bucks. I used digitech to double in the 90s to cover a VH FUCK song but even that costed way more than 20 bucks . The man never claimed it was perfect .
Thanks!
Thats because it doesn't. If you want the sound he's after there is only one way to do it. Buy an eventide.
sounds like 90's up Eddie. Dead nutz
@@cswany5193 This sounds extremely close. You have bad hearing. In a live situation with a band no one would know any difference.
P.S. Go away troll.
Very cool, definitely that tone. 🤘
problem I have is when you ONLY detune, you have an average pitch that is LOWER than it should be. What you need is a pitch that goes both below and above the input signal so the average output is in tune. That's prob how many pedals do it anyway. Sounds nice by itself but detuning will be flat, going +2 would be sharp but hey, who cares, right?
Could you just use two of these?
@@InVougeProductions theoretically, but the second one would just be applying the affect to the already detuned signal, adding an additional detuned signal to it. It may work but it may be weird.
@@InVougeProductions If you could run them in parallel with some kind of mixer like the Wetter box but quite a pia
You are absolutely right and have just invented the chorus!
ehx pitchfork
I came thinking “no way is that pedal gonna do it” I was pleasantly surprised how well it worked! Nice job using what you got, that’s what Eddie did. F the haters.
I've been looking for this solution for LITERALLY YEARS! Thanks!
You welcome!
It's not a solution. Almost all of the sound is coming from his Kramer guitar, which Eddie used back in the 80's.
I remember seeing Vh for the F.U.C.K. tour at the Skydome(Rogers Center) in Toronto Canada, I still have the stub. Another great memory of that concert was that the original Alice In Chains opened for them. I think I was about 20 then and I’m 49 now. I saw Vh for Fair Warning 1981, Diver Down 1982, 1984, F.U.C.K. 1991, Balance, the disaster 2004 tour and I saw them with Gary Cherone for VHIII.
Lucky you 😎🤘
I saw that show as well but in Louisiana. I had no idea who Alice In Chains was. I walked in a few minutes after their (Alice In Chains) set started and was like, HOLY SH*T!! That guy can sing!!!
Can't believe all the negative nannys posting here. Most guys who have the EVH gear can't set it up correctly if their life depended on it. This thing is great and would convince 95% of those at your gig, especially the ladies (which is all that matters).
Honestly though 😂😂 This pedal is great to have some fun! No one these days is going to show up to a bar gig with 4 cabinets and rack mount harmonizers to play a few songs. This is meant for a great, affordable solution!
@@jaketanis3069 Exactly!!! Been there done that. I used to have a Rocktron Taboo Twin that got me over 90% of the way there to the tones I wanted. Most people in a bar couldn't tell the difference. The musicians who couldn't afford to have the $10K rack & amps combination to get the tones. This is cool. I'm getting one.
Duuuude! I'm a guitarist in Portland. I JUST bought one of these off Reverb it arrived today and I went straight to -2 on the dial and strummed 'Human Being'! Dead on. Killer sound. CLOSE enough to the man. HA. Now I gotta dust off those riffs I knew from Balance and Carnal knowledge! Soooo glad I snagged a cheap one. THANKS FOR THE TIP HOMMIE!!!
Really happy it worked out for you! I remember plugging mine in for the first time, and starting ripping Carnal Knowledge riffs and was like "FINALLY!" Enjoy man!
I shelled out like $225 CDN a few years back on a Digitech Luxe to d o the same basic thing. Onlyrecently to discover the key is to use the detuned signal through a seperate amp for a far superior effect. anyone who is thinking all you need is chorus has missed all the subtlety needed for one of these to do a great double track effect. This little unassuming pedal works like a champ and its tiny to boot!
Hi, if think that the Pitch Box is tiny, have a look at the Hotone Harmony. If the Pitch Box is a mini pedal then the Harmony is micro! About the size of a postage stamp!
The Digitech Luxe is a nice pedal as well!
the Luxe sounded the best of the detune pedals I tried and truthfully it wasn't even close, the Hotone was gross by comparison. The new detune in HX Effects 3.2 that I just downloaded for my unit however, might make my Luxe redundant because it really sounds good too Cheers!
After seeing your video I ordered this pedal. I was going to buy a used eventide pitchfactor or h9 pedal to get this exact tone. Thanks so much. You saved me about 250 bucks.
spencer warren how does it sound. I’m looking at buying one
Freaking amazing. It is dead on to evh haggar years. I mean dead exact. Fattens your tone amazingly also. It is now on in all my main tones and recordings in my band.listwn to the song amsterdame it sounds just like that but must have a marshal type tone with it. Or to be exact a 5150 3 amp. If you want the for unlawful or balance tone set knob to -3. For 5150 amd ou812 album set to -2
Happy to help!
Jake, due to your demo I folded
Like Superman on laundry day ...... I bought one and it sounds great 👍
Glad you like it!
So sick how such a small pedal can emulate one of the great guitar tones out there! Great video, bud.
Thank you!
Great demo Jake. I don't think that anyone could get closer to EVH's 90's tone without busting bank! What are you using to get your basic tone without the Pitch Box? Thanks :)
Man, you look like a young Walter Becker
Adam Provo lol. I get that all the time.
@@jaketanis3069 Greetings, I just stopped in. Sorry I didn't knock first. 😝 I just wanted to compliment you on your Kramer! Pretty inventive. You have 2 eras going 👍. Now, to add a third, install a D-tuna. Wall-ah! That pedal is pretty neat, You should demo on it.
What does it run, and are they old or newer? Thanks for posting this, I just might have to get one.
Stay safe 😷👍
Yeah he does. Alot
time out of mind! it's true
Wow he truly does look like Becker good call.
Jake, follow up from 2 weeks ago: I bought a pitch box and I am happy to say that is a wonderful pedal that really nails the VHgr tone. The harmony and pitch shift functions are also very good. You can't beat the price $58 new!!! Thanks for the tip!!! It is amazingly pristine sounding and does not muddy up the mix or cause drops in the signal chain on the pedalboard. It enhances whatever pedals I'm using. But between the pitch box and my Wampler Pinnacle it gives me that VH vibe when needed...a must for the guitar toolbox!!!
if you set the detune to a more extreme setting, you can have a unique take on 'come as you are'
You’re absolutely correct. It does that specific detuning thing pretty well.
Thanks Jake! Got mine the other day, and it sounds GREAT! I can't stop using it now. It's SO addictive! Best $40 I've ever spent.
Good to hear!
Ingenious!!! It fattens up the sound without getting the annoying modulation of a chorus.
Watched this video multiple times and finally pulled the trigger on the Mooer Pitch Box. Best $60 bucks I’ve spent. Sounds monstrous through my rig(EVH 5150 III combo,Eventide Micropitch, Echoplex delay)
Thank you Jake!🤘🏻
Brilliant video. I think you gave us a low-cost way to get the VanHagar sound!
Fantastic Jake! EVH 90's tone is my favorite, and i've been looking for this for a long time! Cheers from your brazillian fan and friend! Thank you man!!! 🤘👍❤😁🎸🇧🇷
bought one last week. It's not bad, but returned it because it had a LOT of hiss when turned on, I tried everything to make it go away, different cords, power supplies, effects chain placement, guitars, etc. pissed me off enough withn hours to return it.
So I dug out my Zoom MS50G pedal. there's two effects in it that can do the detune effect even better than the Mooer Pitch Box. Wish I had of remembered that before buying this thing.
What effects did you use from your Zoom pedal to get that effect?
That’s what’s bad about buying those mooer donner type pedals. You have to hope it’s not a lemon. For the most part they have been good enough with a little pop in the on and off. But Digitech ,zoom ,boss all have a slight detune available.
His signal back then and even on his latest tours was not just wet/dry. It was wet/dry/wet. And in the 90s he did use the Eventide. He pitch shifted one side sharp, the other side flat.
I just got this pedal and ran through the fx loop on EVH 5150III EL34 and it sounds perfect.
See, now you’re gonna make me go buy it!
This is my favorite tone of all time, I’ve been trying to figure it out for so long, this really really helped
Congratulations on nailing this EVH TONE !
THANK YOU FOR SHARING !
You are welcome!
Had a friend that had the Kramer Pacer Deluxe from the 80’s. Great freaking guitar.
Bad Man I had one years ago, that I bought new, and I still regret selling it.
I still have my Kramer Baretta - the very same guitar Eddie is holding in the ad photo in the early 80’s. One of the few things of value I still own...
I own one of these! I love it. It’s a little noisy but not bad. If you want the Van Hager sound this is a great option. Especially for the price!
This is exactly the detune sound I was looking for, though for Husker Dü instead of Van Halen. Thanks for posting
I know I'm late to the party, but eddie used of the eventide rack pitch harmonizer. his carnal knowledge tone was an h3000
Balance tone, and the overall Balance sound is my favorite…Songswise 5150 is my favorite.
I just ordered the Hotone Harmony. It pretty much does the same thing as the Mooer Pitch Box..with slight differences.
I'm hoping I can do this with the Harmony, as well. Should work. I researched it.
On the Mooer Pitch Box in Detune mode, the knob changes 5 cents each click, so -2 is the same as -5 cents.
On the Hotone Harmony in Detune mode, the knob works the same, but the numbers range from 1-24, and it doesn't have negatives. But, in Detune, 6 is 0. So, putting it on 4 should detune it 10 cents...the same as the Pitch Box on -2.
And the Hotone Harmony is about half the price, and half the size as the Mooer Pitch Box lol. Hotones are great quality, as well.
Hi Mike. Let us know how you get on with the Harmony. I am thinking about getting one as well :)
Nice one, straight to the point, excellent demonstration - perfect pedal video and I subscribed
PeteUnsigned Thanks a ton!
Just ordered this Jake! I'm psyched man, great vid!
Thank you! You’ll love it. It’s a great affordable tool.
This pedal is amazing it does give you the sound from the late david lee roth and Sammy hagar Era I tried the Boss s6 harmonizer but I went with the Mooer pitch box 🤘🎶 both sound great but to my ears this one sounds best and the price is reasonable.
The Eventide he was using was the H3000.
949's at first...then the H3000 later when they came out.
Detune=chorus. That's what chorus is. They call everything detuned now, marketing I guess. Chorus takes a signal, splits it, then detunes one signal, basically.
If I correctly remeber the difference is that chorus effect, add a little delay to the detuned signal
Not correct, a chorus is a short delay that is modulated. This is different than detuning = pitch shifting.
I watched your video this past weekend, bought the pedal and just received it. It IS the 5150 tone. Thanks!
All the while i thought it was chorus. Thanks for this mate
You're welcome!
I did too. ;-)
Yup. Me 3. Keeping my eye out for this pedal. Thank you!
There are a lot of ways to get the magical EVH sound for the song you want to play. This is just another easy way to get it. The Spark amp has free tones that come close and can be tweaked to your liking. The Zoom G5N can do it as well. These worked for me. I'd try this pedal too if the price is right. Nice video 👍
I wouldn't call the VanHagar era tone iconic but it is distinctive. I agree this pedal does a good job for that. Back in the day we used to use an SPX 90 with one pitch shifted up a few cents and the other a few cents down to get a similar effect.
Very cool!
@@jaketanis3069 That being said I am a Mooer dealer and will be picking up one of these to experiment with! Thanks for posting this!
I bought a year ago a bunch of those Mooer pedals that one included and I love that pedal.
Hey Jake. I've been playing guitar for about 47 years now. I appreciate the review of this pedal. The advice I give to most new guitarists is experiment to find the sound _you_ like. Eddie VH didn't simply settle for the "brown" sound. If you're in a cover band, emulating other guitarists tones is important if your band is going for "realism", especially in tribute bands. Just realize that cover bands are fun, but you're always copying what somebody else did. It's almost like you're a painter and all you do is paint what's already been painted by somebody else. Eddie didn't want to do that, which is the reason his approach to covers was drastically different from the originals. He did "the Van Halen" version of it. We call them "remakes" instead of "covers". Keep on keeping on. And remember, if at first you don't succeed, so much for skydiving!
True, but I think it's good to have some reference. By trying to copy some sound you'll end up getting your own sound cause it's almost impossible to copy something precisely unless you have that exact gear. This review is good and though detune definetly is a Van Halen thing many other players used that too specially in the late 80's /early 90's. Besides soundwise everything has been done already, it's more like what you do with that sound to make it sound like you, your own phrasing, melodies, vibrato etc...
It's as if rehashing is ALL that players and listeners care about anymore. We went from Van Halen clones in the 80s to Black Sabbath clones for the last THREE decades!!!
They are definitely worth 40 to 50 bucks depending on where you get it.. Its awesome.. You can find great tune on pitch/ shift -5 with distortion..
That's awesome. That's for sharing the setting as well.
Hey, I read (about 2yrs ago) that EVH doesn't have a Brown sound. He says that Alex had a drum that sounded like he was hitting a log "thud". And EVH thought that it was organic which made him think of Brown. Thus EVH referred to that drum as the Brown sound. You can find it in an interview. It might even be in the top few of a google search. Peace - ChrisG
Everyone knows that and nobody really cares. Its known as the brown sound, therefore it is
I ate Taco Bell, after a month of quarantine, and found the brown for 7 bucks.....
Been looking for that sound for a while. Thanks for the tip.
Happy to help!
I also did this effect with a Yamaha GEP-50, detuning in stereo by a few cents up on one side and down on the other.
It works even better if you runs stereo pedal before the mooer, and run your direct signal to one amp and the mooer out to another amp.
I was checking that in my gt10, but on accoustic patches. Anyway, everytime somebody tells me detune I say 2 things,
1) Use chorus and that is it, you will get your sound.. as simple as that, since you have the original signal and a bit of detune.
2) yestarday I was checking other options to get a detune and I found pitch shifter as a good option since you have the original signal and a copy of it, but move the knob FINE to -11 or more and you will start to feel exactly like you show in your video..
mooer is really big overseas. you can find them a lot in the Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam...etc... I bought them when I was in Cebu Philippines. Just getting known here.
This pedal does sound great on distorted guitar, a lot of chorus pedals overshadow the tone, set on zero u barely notice it’s on, a great always on pedal
I own a Rockman x100, when i have it on distortion and chorus on, it really has that 5150 ish sound :)
That Kramer is no joke man.
I broke down and bought a Eventide PitchFactor for that stereo detune effect.
Up a few cents on one side, down a few cents on the other.
Doesn’t the Pitchfactor already have that patch built in?
Actually you young bucks don't know that Eddy was using this sound way back in 1982 on the Diver Down album.... He was using eventide rack back then and a lot of Chorus effects on the clean/distortion tones.... It was the talk of the town back then in the industry
My my how people forgot
I know you're playing a Kramer guitar but it would be nice if you went into detail about what is in your guitar
Dude that's killer! If you ever can track down a way to get that huge late 80's John Sykes sound you gotta let us know!
I used a digitech luxe detune in the loop of my 5150 there are vids on my channel. I loved the wet dry wet sound from his 90s rig
Damn... and this same pedal was just staring me in the face at my local guitar shop 😮🤘🏻 sounds freakin great!
Thank you! You should go snag it!
Nice job, and I can attest that Mooer makes some pretty nice pedals.
OMG, I have this one and use it for drop tuning and it works amazing, I used it also for harmonizing, but I never used the detune function. Thanks, such a nice find!
Is yours super noisy?
@@ivanzivanovic4013 not at all, not much noisier than the other pedals... My Boss NS-2 does a great job in removing all the noise anyway.
Got one, this pedal really sounds great for the price, I leave the knob at 12 o’clock like an always on dimension pedal, kinda old John Sykes sound
Nice find! I rund the mxr stereo chorus and I like this sound of this better.
Thanks for the tip and a little fix for my effects pedal habit👽
I wish you could interview his techs from the early 80`s Eddie misleads people because he does not want people to sound like him
I can only imagine the stories his techs have
@@jaketanis3069 in front or in fx loop?¿
One of them....he told people he turned his variac up to 140 volts....but in reality, he backed it off to about 90 volts. The variac was used to REDUCE voltage.
Not even Eddie wants to sound like himself and hasn't for 20 years.
Ran this pedal into a tube amp...tweaked the tone with a six band EQ pedal....sounds great!
That's awesome, great discovery. Thanks for sharing
Where in the signal chain are you putting this pedal? In front of everything, after the overdrive, in the effects loop?
I was reading these comments looking for the answer to this! Very valid question.
it could be in front. pitch shifter effects are weird through the effects loop
Awesome video and guitar playing! I was wondering if you put this through the effects loop or straight in?
you should add an addendum to this video and bust out don't tell me what love can do one of the first guitar riffs I learned how to play when I was learning how to detune. Good job bro you sound pretty awesome 👍👍!!
Mike Mathieu thanks Mike! Love that tune, and the whole Balance album. “The Seventh Seal” is one of my favorite riffs to play when using this pedal.
Well hello Jake 👌👍 you get the most important part is before the effect you got the bright but controlled upper mids anything from there is pie in the sky Great job 👍
WOW!😲 That pedal really does sound like it!... Thanks!👍
Sounded really decent and thick...gr8 sound dude..👍🤘🤘🤘🤘
Thanks!
I use my Boss PS-3 for detune more than the delay. And it has 2 voices.
Already got one love it and yup it’s being painted right now with stripes to add to my collection
Love the tone man, nice! Good demo! Now I want one!
You should get one! Fun little pedal.
Wow, what a guitar, awsome. Great video, man
Thanks!
Great Vid Jake!😀
I've always caught so much shit from people for actually preferring the Van Hagar sound compared to Eddie's classic tone. Don't get me wrong, I love the classic jose modded marshall into a variac tone from those albums, but there was always something special to me about his Van Hagar era tone, especially the 5150 era, or an even better example would be the tone he got on Live without a Net. The sounds he got when he finger picks the intro to summer nights, or the main riff to Best of Both Worlds, just two examples. The tone just sounds so fucking massive and so musical to the ears. I always assumed it was chorus, but chorus oscillates whereas a detune really doesn't. I discovered much later that it was really about running eventide rack mount harmonizer units, plus he was doing a wet/dry/wet cab mix and all sorts of stuff. This little pedal though really does get you into the ballpark of that sound, pretty neat.
It's 2020. You'd think that Mooer would manufacture their pedals with noiseless switches.
I LOVE the Mooer Slow Engine. I had to banish it from my board because the switch is embarrassingly loud!
Get with it, Mooer!
Now Jake, we would rather watch you play the riffs rather than staring at a little blue box. Although I did stare at the nice little blue light for awhile. Cerulean blue. Cerulean blue.. (X-files reference)
I will be trying to invest in a second camera in the future. That way you can watch me play, as well as the controls on the pedal.
You can also turn all knobs counter clockwise on your mxr flanger
Nice! I have one on the way because of your demo! Would you suggest going through the effects loop or straight into the front?
I always associate that -12 cent detune with the main melody of Surfing With The Alien more than anything else
I'm willing to bet that it would sound even better in the effects loop.
From VH2 on he was known for using a Eve nm tide harmonizer which does this, but bravo you found a cheaper way to accomplish the same thing.
OMG!! I have the Mooer Pitch Box underused sine a long time ago 😅
Thanks! This is great 😃
I just dial up some chorus and adjust till my ear says yes. The effect is similar. Especially with a wet dry setup
Was gonna get this for the bass, but not everyone was carrying them and the price was a bit high for something that was mostly only good on detune. So getting 2 of the Donner Harmonic Square 7 as it is good on all it does. I will use one as an octave and the other as detune for the most part. Nonetheless, this mooer pedal is really nice for detune.
I was able to cop that tone in spades with an Eventide H9 that I purchased a few years back. This kind of thing sounds better run through the effects loop.
I tried to nail the Van Halen sound with my DigiTech whammy didn't work out for me. I'm looking at getting a H9.
thanks for the awesome video. thumbs up!
Thanks a ton!
To get creamy tones specially with distortion you should use the minor signals. To get slicing tones use upper signals...
Just added it to my eBay cart. Thanks for this video. Those two albums are my favorite VH albums :) keep up the great work. Time to smash that subscribe button :)
Thank you! Enjoy it, its a fantastic pedal!