Policing Women’s Clothing Needs To Stop | FEMINISM
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
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After decades and decades of women having to fight to dress how they desire, it’s started to feel like maybe we’re finally at a point where women are free to make their own choices about what they do (and don’t) wear. The list of women wearing whatever they want ranges from Rihanna to Emily Ratajowski, Florence Pugh to Lizzo and beyond... Yet when they do, they’re still criticized. So what’s really behind this drive to control how women look? And why can’t we seem to break free from it?
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CHAPTERS
00:00 A history of fashion shaming
01:55 Absurd double standards
05:38 Milanote
7:10 The backlash to showing skin
09:53 How today's stars are fighting back
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Executive Producers: Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
Chief Creative Director: Susannah McCullough
Associate Producer: Tyler Allen
Writer: Ellie Slee
Narrator: Jessica Babineaux
Video Editor: Dan Wolff - Розваги
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Celebrities CAN wear whatever they want. Their careers are built on attention, positive or negative.
But the real problems are school dress codes that police how girls dress. If a boy is having trouble focusing just because a girl wore a tank top, she shouldn't be the one punished.
Thank you!
nobody should be punished for wearing a tank top, but school and work dress codes are a good thing. why would u want to wear revealing clothes to school or to work? what's the point? if it's hot weather, clothes from natural fabrics are great for protecting your body from heat without it having to be a tank top and shorts
I'm a straight woman, but even I can't stop looking at women in revealing clothes (lot of bare skin just naturally draws attention). I don't blame anyone who can't concentrate in such environment. People are sexual beings, u can't change that. What we can do is not wear revealing clothes at places like schools and offices. Both men and women
@@honduras0433 'I'm a straight woman'...ok buddy
@@PortraitofAsha 🤡
I know it's because of youtube but there's something really ironic about talking about how women should be able to dress how they like, being allowed to show skin, and then having it censored
I assume if they didn't it would get taken down. At least they showed them instead of showing women who weren't topless. They used direct, brazen examples to prove their point about freedom & individuality.
I agree and came to say the same thing. I wish they had put up a card at the beginning to explain the need for the censorship due to UA-cam rules or whatnot, as I became distracted wondering whether the censoring was done by the editors of the video or by the outside source from which the clips were taken. While I do think it's good that they did try to use the actual photos or clips, I feel that the outrageous censoring really undercut the message here.
I got into a LOUD argument with my brother about this last night. He firmly believes that if a woman wears something sexy that she’s thirsty for male attention, and that she bears some responsibility for assault. Keep in mind that he believes that if she shows ANY cleavage then she’s just doing it distract men. He kept yelling this to me over and over, and truly refuses to see my point of view. I ended up just walking away from him.
Wow how old is he? I hope still very very Young. Of course no one deserves assault for wearing cloth.
I have the same kind of problem with my brother, except I don't talk to him anymore . My sister still gets in arguments with him because she wants him to be responsible for what he says but he responds with shit like "shut up you wh**e","go kill yourself","don't surprised to get mistreated by men given how you dress s**t" and he always put discord on so that his" friends"can enjoy the dispute and insult us in the process 😫
@@lonelylysia9686That's sad, one would men behave like this, but there are women who also behave like this and it's even worst.
@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 I agree, slutshaming is terrible with both, it hurts so much when a woman insults or belittles another one
@@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880 but honestly the number of teens right now like my brother who disrespect women like that scares me Way more
I'm glad you highlighted the "if you wanted this type of woman, why didn't you marry _her_ instead" which i think is more of the problem.
Men will tell women all the time not to try and "change" men, and that if we don't like the men we ended up with, we should "pick better."
But then endlessly shame wives and mothers for not changing just about everything about themselves in order to fit the suddenly new standards.
It's the blantant hypocrisy for me 😒
Totally
To be fair though there are different expectations for a wife than for a single woman. When I was single I wore more revealing clothing but I’m married now so I try to be respectful of my husband. I wouldn’t feel comfortable if he was wearing reveal clothing all the time.
@@mastersnet18 sure, but how many men throughout society have failed to reach those husband expectations themselves? It's become so common place in our history that its a joke or focus on almost every tv show.
And these are the very men they whine and cry about what women are doing or not doing-- just to deflect from their own responsibilities and claim women's expectations are simply too unreasonable to match.
It's exhausting to think about, really
@@bluebutterfly5062 men tend to cover themselves up, especially when married. What other expectations are you talking about?
@@mastersnet18expectations of being clean and tidy, taking responsibility for home sply when the wife is also earning, taking care of kids like they are his... etc etc
I used to date a guy who would always tell me that fat girls shouldn't wear shorts. I got to a point that i believed it, and refused to wear anything that was cute, like shorts or jumpers or similar things because I wasn't conventionally skinny. It took a long time for me to develop the self esteem to basically wear whatever I want and ignore criticism, so I applaud the women like Lizzo that wear whatever they want and preach self acceptance.
I think he’s right to each their own tho
No, he is definetely not right. Clothes you wear are your choice. Why shoud the judgement of others change this? Even if you think something is not fit for another you have no say in what she should wear
@@eatass5627 he is far from all
I’m sorry that you went through that! And I’m glad you’re finally able to dress for yourself!
It's interesting how fat girls are brave for wearing revealing clothing cause it's "not made for them" & when thinner peeps wear them they're "sluts" looking for man. Depending on the body you have...
The irony that in the same video they have to censor the nipples because youtube considers it inappropriate
Because those women were dressed like whores.
We live in a society, we can't just walk around half naked because "it's empowering".
Nipples is sexually inappropriate
This is a subject I've felt passionate about since the 1970's. There was a brief moment, when women believed they were firmly on the road to equality with men in the US. That changed about the time of the Reagan administration, and issues like the ERA were dismissed, we regressed in our attitudes towards women socially (as one aspect of this is covered in your video), and now; we've seen our reproductive rights attacked. I've even heard some politicians, mumbling over women's right to vote, for God's sake. I'm glad these women, as the focus of much public attention, are using it to make bold - and, I believe, empowering - statements in their fashion choices.
It’s about men wanting to control or humble women to make themselves feel more secure. It’s the same reason why men say they don’t like their girlfriends and wives wearing makeup.
Lol .. in third world countries, it's the women judging girls for clothing and behaviour
It's like that in the first world too.
Nah it’s mainly females judging other females fashion choices.
@@Thrill_Hou you're right, women are way more harsh about clothing and appearance. Most men don't care about fashion unless they gay 😆
All I'm going to say is that sunscreen is important. After that, wear what you like.
It’s overrated, at least where I live. Doctors are now telling people to go out in the sun more since the sun is so weak here anyways. And we have a huge problem with vitamin D deficiency.
@@mastersnet18I don’t see your point. You still need vitamin D AND sunscreen.
@@darkvioletskullit matter where you live in relation to the equator. The farther away you live from the equator, the weaker the sun’s rays are.
In high school, I would wear tank tops and shorts to school and I had teachers telling me that I would get raped. So fucked up.
I am so sorry that happened to you. That is messed up. That is horrible. They were horrible.
Rape culture has still a good influence on our culture I'm afraid
In my school you weren’t even allowed to wear a tank top. Because “boys that age get distracted and it will impact their education”. I think that made it very clear boys were more important to them…boys were allowed to wear anything they wanted
@@katherinealvarez9216 It was so humillating
Isn't it interesting that no one in schools is policing what the boys are wearing? No one is telling boys to dress in ways that won't distract or arouse their girl school mates.
I hope those teachers got fucked up by the karma that was due to them.
Damn it’s crazy that about 6 years ago I would’ve seen a video like this in my feed and I would’ve just disregarded it as cringe, but now this shit is really fascinating
If you don’t mind me asking, what do you find interesting about it? What changed?
Maybe you're growing
@@cupcake5854 Oh I don’t mind at all, 6 years ago I was “edgy” 17 year old who didn’t care about anyone except himself, so the idea of being concerned about women being treated unfairly in regards to clothing would’ve made me laugh and think “why should I care? This sounds so meaningless”. nowadays having developed a more open mind I was able to learn about new concepts. One of those concepts is deeper understanding of feminist ideals, so I see videos like this a way for me to better understand the struggles of other people.
People need to stop policing other people in general.
I know from the UA-cam shorts that I've seen, people will want to cancel anyone for anything. The tiniest mistake and people will want to go cancel mode instantly
Amén to that Brother?!...
Exactly!
Sure. Lets just stop protecting kids entirely and let everyone walk around naked. Wouldn't want to police them into a safe world for children or anything.
@@breathlesscharm6709 A world in which people would walk around naked would not be harmful to children. It is practices like Mutilation of Private Parts, forced marriage, bad education, letting them get bullied to death, over invasion of privacy, lack of empathy. Seeing boys, girls, women, men, inter or non binary or any of that matter naked is not a thing they would not get used to.
“It’s too revealing” “it’s too covered” there’s no winning honestly. Do what you want with your body.
You are dammed if you do, you are dammed if you don't.
100 years ago, a woman was arrested because she showed too much skin on her swimsuit. Policing women on what they wear is not new. Let women wear what they want.
Men are also shamed when they wish to express themselves in feminine clothing or go out in women's wear. The shaming extends to both women and men, I think, to a point where nobody is really allowed to dress freely at all. Women can't seem to be taken seriously when showing skin or nipples, whereas men can't seem to be taken seriously when in leggings, skirts, heels, or lingerie. Everyone's a joke when it comes to clothing and fashion norms.
Honestly it worries me, if men & people in general think women deserve or are blamed for getting raped when skin is shown, then what if she's already half or fully unclothed after consenting to be with you? What if she says no even when unclothed? Will they continue & say she "asked for it" despite her words, silence, body language?
Interesting to note it's not just clothing on female-perceived bodies that is policed this intensely, but also female-perceived clothing on ANYBODY..? Think about all the hoohah that erupts whenever a red carpet guy wears a dress, or anything sparkly, or even just anything that might be considered a bit too colourful 🤦🏻♀️ Even though we've come a long way, true non-gendering of clothing and detaching moral judgement from garments still has a really long way to go. But at least the conversations keep being had!
Feminism is a topic that needs more awareness on. Policing women is considerably unfair.
Christian fundamentalism needs to be banned
@@MarshalMarrsthat isn’t really an issue in the west unlike toxic misandrist feminism & Marxist ideology. Keke Palmer was in the wrong & Jonah Hill was in the right and this video is completely filled with false info and 0 context, typical leftard content…
@@MarshalMarrs Left-wing Christian here and I wholly agree
It's not unfair since we police the behaviour of men whereas we let women behave however they want. Ya, you go queen blah blah blah.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 no we do not. What reality are you living in? the Matrix that Andrew Taint thinks we're in? LOL
9:01 This guy is the living embodiment of the Kenyan slang saying, "you like me drinking kegs when we're dating, now you hate me drinking bottles coz we're married." 😂😂
It’s all about male power
Damn straight. Thank you for calling this out.
There's a contradiction I cannot reconcile between 'wear what you want' and 'fashion as an expression of one's character/personality'
Like i have been told off by family for not dressing formal enough for weddings or large family gatherings. My ex re-did my whole wardrobe cuz I dressed like a slob. At work, I've been treated differently based on how well I dressed that day. The brands I wear, hell the PHONE I use (iphone vs anything android) are all factors that influenced my status in others' eyes.
Society uses what we wear to deem our status within it, that's policing. Maybe women face the brunt of it, but I've heard women friends tear down other women and men on what they wear FAR more often and with more venom than guys ever did.
All the policing of what celebrities wear is led by fashion 'experts', majority of whom are women. To say it's an where women are the only victim driven only by men's desire to control seems a one-sided take.
Generally I thought this was really good. I'm always super impressed by how these can highlight items I'm not aware of or haven't thought of.
I do think though that there's a bit of a problem in framing these sort of discussions around a framework of progress and in focusing particularly on elite, individual influencers when thinking about fashion movements.
That's not to criticise any of the influencers themselves, it's just that they're operating by default in a media ecosystem separate (though not entirely) from the same issues that impact every day clothing judgements. I can see the value in campaigning to change that media landscape to resist patriarchy, but I think the inherent power that the individuals in that structure have, mean that's likely to just change in a way that gives that specific individual more latitude, while not expanding out (which in itself potentially exacerbates the problem).
It's the same issue I have with the progress narrative. Jumping back to quite a bit earlier than you deal with here, the switch from corsets to bras is often championed as an a example of women's liberation, but Joan Brumberg's 'Body Project' argues that actually it's significantly more complex and that by and large, the shift from corsets to bras was a shift away from a largely women-run industry of dress makers, towards a male-run industry of tailors and later of mass industrial production, which actually solidified patriarchy more. She also argues that they oft cited issue of tight lacing, was only really an issue that effected rich women (and often only rich young women) over a very short period of time.
This isn't to say that we have moved in good directions or to dismiss any of the hard work being done, I just think we can't treat countering patriarchy as a linear or automatic process. We need to be alert to the shifting apparatuses of capture operating to reinforce the problems (as seen in the double standards brought up at the beginning, which essentially enable media reporting to target any woman they want to as it's impossible to fulfil all the stipulations at once) and we need to move outside of the focus on just individual choice ethics, to disrupt the wider narratives of patriarchal control, subject and object, gaze, and communities of meaning around clothing.
That wasn't going to be as manifesto-y when I started typing it. I still think the video does a really good job, I just wonder how we can expand this beyond the celebrity individualism to consider the way we think about clothes, skin, bodies and gender more pointedly. I worry that if we don't do that, we'll just end up circling back with the very language we used to fight misogyny co-opted and deployed as yet another double standard.
Unfortunately, there are still some people (and also some women) who think that women need to dress in a certain way or shouldn't be allowed to dress whatever they want.
Let women be women
I really LOVED this video!❤ thanks The Take!
We're all here together in this life. We're all human. Dudes need to relax. We got plenty of our own stuff to figure out. Society is already messing us up by creating sides. Show each other your love and work together Violence and hate won't ever go away completely, but let's do what we can to limit it.
I still remember being told to “put effort into my fashion” by my sister because I refused to tuck in my shirt for her. She probably doesn’t remember it but I get angry at the idea that people make those kind of negative assumptions about me just because of how I choose to dress myself. Not everyone needs to get my taste but I hate that it becomes a criticism of me for it… 🙄
It’s amazing when women support and praise women! Anyone should be able to wear whatever they want and look however they like.
Honestly, I was able to get over my self esteem issues regarding clothing and my body thanks to women being supportive and helping me, both online and friends. Women should support each other.
Women also judge and criticize other women.... What about that ?
That’s a theme I try to carry on in my stories. Women supporting women
i was waiting for you to talk about the hijab ban in france. love the video tho
I think this video did a great job of explaining the issues with policing what women wear without looking down on people who critique fashion as an art form. I love fashion and I love listening and contributing to discussions about fashion, not in a way to judge the people who wear the clothes, but to look at the clothes as uniquely functional works of art. Great job!!
I always love your videos, perfect quality as always, but the background music is really jarring, it's kind of difficult to focus as it is so loud, especially at the 8:50 mark.
50 year olds wearing see through dresses as a form of self acceptance and celebration that would be a radical move, not 20 year olds with socially acceptable bodies and youth on there side
It's important to include the concept of internalized misogyny in the conversation. Women can judge and police other women based on how they think a man will view that woman, and by extension themselves. This goes for women who think "sexy" clothing in other women creates "competition" and women who think that same clothing demeans all women. Some of this is about what men want, but also, some of it is about what women think men want.
I find the term internalized misogyny is usually used in a way by feminists to shut up women they don’t agree with. How ironic. Any time a woman doesn’t go with the crowd they claim she can’t think for herself.
why do ppl feel like they HAVE to say smth about ppl's choice of outfit
Sounds like Jonah Hill is caring around a lot of insecurity maybe from the way he was treated it is bigger days. And the only way that he can still do that insecurity is by projecting control on a woman….
Agree with this. One can fs have their own opinions on these things but at the end of the day it's not your body.
Men too serve the male gaze. Men are taught to seek women who will help men prove themselves to other men, & some men live like there is a socially 'superior' man following them everywhere, critical of everything they do.
the projection is off the charts.
I've been on a few end of year school trips recently - one to a theme park and one to Paris, which involved Disneyland.
My head of year specifically told the girls that they had to be sensible and not wear too revealing. He didn't tell the boys to be sensible
That is definitely one sided. I remember in middle school they were always trying to enforce the dress code but eventually just gave up on the girls because they always broke it. One day a boy came in wearing a wife beater and the teacher freaked out because it was against the dress code. They made him borrow a sweatshirt to wear over his tank top. I think the teacher was just excited to be able to finally enforce the dress code haha.
Most people don't care what anyone wears. You could make the same argument as shown in the video for magazines.
Did the magazine write about appearances before you were interviewed by them? Yes? Then why did you get interviewed by them?
It like complaining that a guest in the top gear show is being made fun off when he drives a Prius.
A topic that has been fought about for 44 years in Iran.
I find it so sad how many children are unfortunate to be born into a world with this much kind of hypocrisy.
That’s so pessimistic haha. There are no laws telling women what they can or can’t wear except that they need to cover their private parts, just like men. It’s the most free society humanity has so far created.
I don't have that much problem with "fashion police" thing, they comment on people who show themselves for living, strutting on red carpet is a part of an actor/actress's job. Also Cate Blanchett calling out the cameraman for showing the whole figure: why not show the whole figure? It's all very pretty from top to bottom. Her dress was totally non-provocative. The reason they don't do this to guys is there's usually not much to see - black trousers and black shoes 🙄 If a guy comes along wearing something more imaginative, funky shoes or something, they would show it
"Also Cate Blanchett calling out the cameraman for showing the whole figure: why not show the whole figure?"
You can do that not starting with the stereotypical feet to head moove. You could start with a closeup interview, then cut back to the whole person, if she allows it or talks about it, show what is being talked about.
That is much more fair. In TV and Movies there is a stereotypical feet to Head moove, sometimes feet to bust, that is usually done very very slowly. There were Men dressing up very provocative in the past - wasn't done to them the same way.
How i know this?
I work in Cinema & TV Films production. I'm very familiar with this.
@@RawmanFilm could be. And she probably knows that. I am seeing only a completely covered lower body and an interesting dress. But yes, I believe you
We are all born naked…. So whatever we put on doesn’t matter.
I would love just to wear something that I like without having to think of what will happen if I wear it like how would other teen girls think of me and how boys would react 😅
'what would other teen girls think of me'? thats her first worry, now what males think. but go on feminists keep spewing your gaslighting bs about men being the ones with the social power. this is a female vs female issue, and as usual both sides cowardly blame men for it.
Wasn't it Kelly Osborne that said those things about Zendaya🤔
I feel like before 1920 it was a lot easier to get dressed without thinking or worrying about it. Everyone wore the same style of clothes. There were way fewer options so there was less criticism.
I THINK A VIDEO ON HOW WIDOWS ARE PORTRAYED WOULD BE INTERESTING. MEREDITH FROM GREY'S ANATOMY, CARRIE FROM SEX IN THE CITY, NETFLIX'S DEAD TO ME, ETC.
There needs to be order
I might be wrong but I’ve heard some people are judge mental by the way other women dress showing skin and all is because they lack the confidence to wear it themselves. So instead of being honest by saying I wish I had your confidence and body they turn it to hate and judge them to mask the insecurities
Idk, part of how “radical” fashion is, is because people will always find fault in the way people choose to present themselves. Basing a movement around other people accepting your fashion, seems a little… frivolous. The whole point of fashion, to me, has always been NOT CARING what the naysayers say- not demanding that they stop saying nay. We ARE allowed to wear anything we want (so long as our genitals aren’t showing), but we aren’t allowed to wear anything we want without social consequences.
This video feels like the reverse of conservatives saying “you’re not allowed to say anything anymore!” When they are, they’re just being pussies about social consequences. Wear what you want. Don’t expect anyone to be okay with it, and stop giving a shit when they aren’t.
PleasepleasePLEEEEEEASE do a video on the Madonna/Whore Complex! So much of it influences this type of topuc!!!
ESPECIALLY by other women. Have you watched any magazine? There's always some chapter of where they are gonna laugh at the costumes of the celebrities. Granted, some ARE ridiculous, but it's actually rather toxic.
I think we need to let go of the notions that freedom to do what be please means we are also free from judgement and that criticism is someone attempting to exert power over us. No one is stopping us women from wearing what we please. The problem is that some women don’t want to be judged. And we will never live in a judgement free world. So we need to let the opinions of others roll off us and stop calling it oppression, because people only have as much power over us as we give them.
Mostly. You are able to. There needs to be some dress limits and dress codes and for when little and young children are around. I am not the prudest woman to ever live, but there are ages when they are not ready.
Can you define the boundary/limit of what is socially acceptable? If a woman goes out in public naked or see through, will you still police it?
It's interesting whenever women talk about politics they change the subject by taking about her clothing. If you are a woman, wear what you like, people with a d*ck mentality and haters gonna hate anyways. Life is peaceful when you stop caring 💅❤
I think it's already Included, that another part of the problem, is probably because fashion is thought as a first world problem(am still trying to wrap my head around, where did the correlation that femininity equals luxury?)
I wholeheartedly agree. What people wear is irrelevant and putting importance on it is demeaning and reductionist of their human experience...
this is a world full of fashion advice, and a lot of it is flippant and fast. what's the difference between merely saying "you look like crap in that outfit" and "policing" clothes? i am fine with revealing clothes, but a lot of those sorts of outfits also look awful, as clothing, on a particular person's body, because it's a style that designers are not reallly comfortable with, and clothes look differently when wearing something in public lights than in front of a mirror.
Janelle Monaé has been constantly dragged for how they dress! Ppl said they uere "too manish" and now they're getting attacked for showing there tatas!
The way she says Rihanna will haunt my nightmares
Personally as long as they're not naked i dont see the point in judging people on what they wear
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I’m all for being able to where what you please without judgement. However I’ve been taught there are some situations and places where you can’t just where what you want. I wouldn’t wear a bikini at church service.
Depends on the church.
@@gee_emmikini is supposed to be worn in beaches and swimming pools....not in churches or schools....that's common sense
No, no it doesn't. In fact, it needs to increase.
These are terrible messages but from a channel like this, theres no surprises tbh.
I agree women that women should ware what ever they want but I do understand in situations you do need to dress modestly and have decorum.
17th century women were badass you know those huge skirts were so that they could take up space and men hated them! Women have always been fighting with fashion!!
Everyone should be able to wear whatever they want of their own free will.
I'm sorry there's a reason we have boxes like business casual but if you choose to have low-cut tops and short short skirts it's not for respect it's for the male gaze and that's ok but admit you like that kind of attention
This is the first time I've ever come back to comment on a Take video, because this one raised some questions I just can't answer. My wife and I have a very egalitarian marriage with a lot of nudity. We rarely wear clothes at home (we live in a very hot place), and we're both quite overweight, so we both have bodies a lot of other people wouldn't want to see naked. We're also both pornography users, have been since before we got married, and don't try to hide that from each other. I come home from work to her looking at porn all the time; I've never tried to stop her. I don't seek control over my wife or any other woman.
We watched this video together last night. Her reaction was mostly to comment on the various outfits and the ideas expressed. I did too, but I also wanted to go look up the blurred parts to see the naked women. I haven't, at least not yet. I still might. The question is, is that disrespectful?
If a woman is wearing something because she wants to, is it okay if that still happens to appeal to men? If a man is valuing a woman as another full person and not just treating her as a body meant to please himself, is it disrespectful or anti-feminist if the body pleases him too? Any time I comment on a famous woman's body online in any way, I'm met with a bunch of nasty responses assuming I'm motivated by attitudes or desires I don't really have. If I notice something and point it out, my comment is always taken to contain judgment, even if it's just a statement of fact. So I don't know how I'm supposed to respond. If she chooses to put her intimate parts out there, for her own personal reason, am I allowed to enjoy seeing them or not?
It drives me nuts how successful male actors get to talk about their lives, their loves, and themselves, whereas successful actresses can't because everyone is so fascinated by their wardrobe and won't ask them about or give them time to talk about anything else. The sad part, is that most of that endless, privacy eroding coverage of female celebrities' bodies is targeted for consumption by other women.
And the ones asking those women such questions are also women
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think women are oppressed when it comes to how we dress. People regardless of gender will always have an opinion. That’s a human thing. You will hear that you dress too slutty and you will also be shamed for dressing modestly but regardless of what people’s opinion are we can still dress however we want. Hence us not being oppressed when it comes to how we dress. We just have to deal with the fact everyone has an opinion
There once was a girl band from west London called All Saints. When a few members got pregnant they continued to wear their trade mark tank tops and baggy cargo trousers. But no one remembers that now 😔. How is your research intern shaping up? Am I the only one who knows who Louise brooks and Tallulah Bankhead are. Josephine baker much? Ever heard of a wiggle girl?
Something has changed on this channel the information is not quite as in-depth as it once was. More and more US centric and narrow time frames of reference. Bof.
This is simply not an argument that can be reduced to black or white simplifications. Women aren't dehumanised by what they wear...that's a very emotive term that is better suited to refugees and victims of war. Women are objectified and classified by what they wear, as are men to a less obvious degree. Notions of style and taste are timeless concepts when it comes to fashion and that's not going to change. Women have been pushing past resistance so they can wear whatever they want, for the last 100+ years. Its not a new thing. Whatever becomes normalised, becomes a commodity almost immediately. There are much deeper issues that feminism hasn't even begun to address.
10:30 know your place camera person 📸
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Should be noted that there is still one reason to police all people about showing nudity and that’s when it’s around kids
I support women wearing what they want but not sure why there’s such an obsession lately for exposing nipples. Cate Blanchett looks incredible in the clips you used, for instance.
I don't understand why people always complain when women are showing their body like it's your body are you the mom or your dad are you Jesus Christ but I do understand little showing body grown adult women and men is very creepy when somebody says you can't wear that and stupid at the same time
Gotta be nuance tho. Shouldn’t swing the pendulum and glorify obesity, erase the concepts of classiness & appropriateness for particular situations… etc.
Women still make fun of guys who wear makeup
My skirt doesn't get in the way of my sword or my knowledge!! I will wear whatever tf I want! No more wearing only t-shirts!!!!!!
TV shows about hwat women are wearing are nothing but cheap and unimaginative TV that people create when they run out of any real ideas to talk about.Iits an easy go-to topic that doesnt require too much deep thought or mental acitivity. Just criticize some women's clothing choices and you got a show!
Hhhhmmm... it's almost as if the fashion industry is a harmful tool of patriarchy and capitalism. Who would have thought it! Also, do I feel worse for a female celebrity getting criticised for wearing a particular thing, or for the many poor women being abused while creating these garments, in an attempt to give the former attention and riches? I wonder.
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Women's fashion sense is even talked about but men's is so boring that it does not even get that privilege😂
i get where you are coming from :D
Not only that. This video complains how women won't be taken seriously if they wear something see through or with a deep cleavage. What about men? Will anyone take seriously a shirtless dude in shorts and slippers with a stomach like Tony Soprano, even if he is all shaved and showered? Men have to wear a suit even in mid July in order to be taken seriously and look put together if they are going anywhere formal and yet nobody talks about that.
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1. is ot for this video
2. is whataboutism
3. "and yet nobody talks about that"
you did, so yeah you made your own argument invalid. Also a lot of men wine about inequality in this manner expressing it when the conversation wasnt even about them that time.
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@@RawmanFilm what's so wrong about wHaTaBoUtIsM? It is absolutely legitimate way of pointing something out. Fact is, it isn't addressed and yt rando like me saying it doesn't make it "talked about". If it was talked about then you would be able to mention someone far more relevant than me saying it. There are gender inequalities that affect women quite a lot, but dressing for the most part isn't one of them. Women have way more options than men when it comes to the way they dress and people taking them seriously. The only aspect where I can see inequalities is the nipple craze where you see men going nuts if a woman is braless under her shirt/dress. Other than that, a woman in a knee length dress is percieved way more decent than a guy wearing the most elegant shorts and short sleeved shirt possible. As for why it's relevant for this video, it's relevant because the narrator talks about this topic as if it is uniquely women's issue which it isn't. They mention how people's perception of women changes depending on how they are dressed. Well, guess what? It's not just perception of women, it holds true for both genders.
I love how you ironically blurred out parts of women's bodies in a video dunking on people for judging what is acceptable for women to show.
All these women on the red carpet have atleast 2 men body guards.
Why is it so hard to let people dress however they want? How does someone else's look affects you??
Ignore them. Simple.
Well women are lucky they can wear anything they like at the same time men wear jeans, pants, trouser, shirt in their entire life they choices are limited so they are jelouse of women because of this so they make noise is obvious. Men so focused on looking masculine is their problem.
other women are the ones judging you for what you wear and you blame men. also men are still restricted to our gender roles because women use their social power to force us to be. you blame men for our own powerlessness and for what other women impose on you, lmao. misandry is cowardice
There is nothing wrong with wanting your partner to dress differently when she's in a committed relationship vs single.
If a man is not comfortable with his girlfriend/wife wearing certain kinds of clothing, that is okay: talk about, and either she agrees, he changes his mind, or they break up.
It would also be okay for a woman to be uncomfortable with her boyfriend/husband dressing in certain ways. Just deal with these things as a mature adult: communicate and compromise.
i think that men just use the provocative dress as an excuse for getting horny and not having self control and this is coming from someone who dresses in jeans and a t shirt. Funny that I got hit on by two men at a mall while i was minding my own business
Este canal pone a todas las mujeres como victimas
Policing women’s clothing? Since when?… In fact, there needs to be some more human decency in public places.
Some men are so hypocritical about their spouses too. They want them one way when they're dating, then they get married and they want them to change. If they do change then they complain that their wives aren't sexy anymore and/or go cheat with someone like who their wife used to resemble. psh.
All of these celebrities look so freakishly beautiful and wear beautiful garments to award events. And then the entire media coverage focuses on what they’re wearing and criticising them…
so? People love that aspect. Such news sells because there are a lot of people willing to buy them. They're giving the people what they want lol
I don't understand the problem. People can wear whatever the fuck they want. I have no problem with that. But that doesn't mean I have to like what they wear. Like, I'm sure whatever crap I wear, somebody will dislike it. So?