Well it's been a while since the last episode. How did you like this one? Share your thoughts and prayers 😇 I've added some prints from this series to the shop in case you're interested. Well they're there even if you're not. Link: holvi.com/shop/trolled/
@@Anttimation Animaatio ja illustraatio on kyllä ihan 6/5! Helposti verrattavissa ihan top-tier kanaviin. Olis hienoa nähdä joku video, missä syvämmin näytetään miten nää videot luodaan, vai onko siinä ammattisalaisuuksia? Kauan muuten kestää tämmönen 15min videon teko?
@@TT-nf8cp kiitos! Tähän meni useampi työpäivä. Suurin osa ajasta menee tutkimustyöhön ja kirjoittamiseen. Kuvituksessa kestää n. 1 päivä ja animoinnissa toinen. Oon joskus miettinyt että voisi olla hauskaa tehdä tuollainen video... Ja nyt on yksi potentiaalinen katsojakin 😄
There are no words in the tongues of Men, Swedes, Hiisi, and Tonttu to describe how glorious your videos are. It's rather strange how the Swedish kings and commanders were masters of warfare during one era, but then during the next era they kept picking all the wrong choices. No wonder they decided to stop going to war altogether a couple of centuries ago, apart from the volunteers.
Wow. Thank you so much for the awesome words!! Alexander of Macedon, Mongols etc. were pretty damn good warriors too but failed to maintain their newly conquered empires. Although while expanding, Sweden did make succesful internal reforms but then like you said, made all the wrong choices and we know the rest.
Might have been something similar as with Nokia, great at concurring markets, becoming biggest, next up complacency, and finally defeated. You start to think you're invisible which makes you underestimate your opponent and over estimate your own prowess.
That's pretty grim. I've traced my ancestors of the era in another video but don't remember seeing any deaths from the Wrath per se. Could remember wrong though.
We Finns (and why not others too) may look at the misery and death caused by the lesser and greater wraths in horror and anger, but it may be that these wrongdoings inadvertently caused the formation and rise of a new Finnish identity.
Molen tornionlaaksolainen ja sinun viiteot oon mahtavat! En tiä niin paljo Eteläsuomesta (ja sen histuuriasta) mutta sinun viiteot oon paljo apu! /Antheeksi huono kramatiikki :)
Kiitos! Lukaisin juuri Santeri Ivalon romaanin Vesainen, missä ymmärtääkseni tornionjokilaaksolaisetkin talonpojat käy hävityssotaa Venäjän puoleisia karjalaisia vastaan 1590-luvulla.
Oman suvun historiaa ja Suomen historiaa tutkineena on kyllä pakko ihmetellä, että on kumma miten sekä Ruotsi, ja Venäjä ovat aina hyötyneet suomalaisesta sotaväestä kautta aikojen ja historian. Sisu ei ole mikään "turha" sana.
Small request, write the birth and death years of important people mentioned. Helps keep track of the time period. Muuten on 10/10 settiä, tilaan varmaan pari paitaa joululahjaks ittellenni
You glossed slightly over the Finnish war bit. Russia and Prussia were allied and Russia suffered a crushing defeat against the French in the Battle of Friedland. After this Alexander sued for peace against the French and thus came the Treaty of Tilsit in which good ol' Nappy decided he'd show a bit of grace towards the Russians and let them annex Finland since the Swedes were anglophiles. But yes it was basically Nappy who sold us away at that point because he wanted Russia to join the continental system.
It's always a challenge with these as I want to focus on matters within Finland and its peope and not too much imperial politics... But have to include a word or two sometimes for context and then oversimplification happens
@@Perkelenaattori thanks! It gets more difficult in the later episodes as we have more and more information. The final, 20th century episode will be particularly difficult.
Napoleons army ravaged my home region. The defense militia from my current parish was all wiped out while defendind the land together with other forces from the surrounding parishes. They could not resist the french army. There were 86 people just from my parish, all dead. Two of them were my ancestors. The only luck was that they already had kids.
0:56........I'm certain that Charles would be gratified to learn that not only this writer but he , as well is descended from Louis V, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt and Magdalene of Brandenburg, Landgravine of Hesse-Darmstadt...
@@laurancerobinson interesting! While I do like the Nordic kääryle, I must say the Greek (presumably Turkish is similar) version with olive oil and vinegar is the superior kääryle
@Anttimation agree there. I cannot remember of the top of my head where I read it. It might have been when I visited the Ravintola-Hotelli Museo in Helsinki, or it might have been a book or paper related to the Great Northern War.
nämä animaatiot on tosi mielenkiintosia ja historia kans! kadotin kanavasi joksikin aikaa ku unohin tilata kanavan enkä muistanu enää kanavan nimeä! 10/10 kanava
Siellä se on Miettilän kylässä, Tai siellä mehtässä. ihan itärajalla. Oli ihan pakko hetken googlettaa, että mikä se kylä oli, kun siellä oli isovihasta muistuttavia muitakin juttuja. Myös mielenkiintonen sikälikin, että siellä on SImo Häyhän kotimuseo, Eli hänen synnyinkotinsa, missä hän asui talvisotaan asti. meille järkättiin random lauantai-iltapäivänä yksityiskierros. Noitahan hienoja jänniä paikkoja riittää tässä maassa. Semmoinen mesta kuin jumalkallio tai joku, on jäänyt vaivaamaan, kun nähnyt kuvan siitä. Se on niinkuin jättiläisen (tai jumalan) pään profiili tietystä suunnasta kastsottuna, Joku näytti joskus mulle mustavalkoisen kuvan siitä. Anyway hyvä kanava sulla.
@@jussiniemi9560 kiitos! Joo noita jumalkallioita on muutama. Yksi varsinkin on aivan päivänselvästi ihmisen muotoinen sivulta, varmaan juuri se mistä puhut. Kansallismuseossa oli näiden kuvia animoitu esihistorian näyttelyssä.
Quoting Wikipedia: "Livonia,[a] known in earlier records as Livland is a historical region on the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea. It is named after the Livonians, who lived on the shores of present-day Latvia. By the end of the 13th century, the name was extended to most of present-day Estonia and Latvia, which the Livonian Brothers of the Sword had conquered during the Livonian Crusade (1193-1290)."
That would be cool! I don't remember where it's set but I presume South enough for the character to need a pretty good reason to travel all the way to Finland
Yes! And since the hungarian speaking enemy seemed like very poor soldiers in the 1st part, this time the player would definitely shiver in fear behind the bushes when hearing suomi.
The Great Wrath was the worst genocide in world history. ⅓ of Finland's population was killed, sent to prison camps in Siberia, and sold as slaves in the Middle Eastern slave markets. It took Finnish population a century to recover it.
Yeah I have to agree, it was just as imperialistic and entirely self-interested as it is today. Hadn’t quite reached the levels of Assyrian, Mongol, Ottoman, Mughal, Spanish, French, or English barbarity in the name of plunder but it was getting there quickly. Obviously America beat em all to the top of that list lol but someday Russia will take the crown
It has been proven several times that meatballs existed and was eaten in Sweden prior to Charles trying "Turkish" meatballs. Any attempt at relativising that has been shown to be a PR stunt
Been hooked on this, sitting on the wrong side of the Baltic sea trying to observe some independence day. Very nice work in every episode. However I must protest this alleged history of meatballs. It is a popular myth but there are older records of meatballs in Sweden and it has no connection to Karl XII or Turkey. You will find these claims even in serious works but as there are older records those are simply wrong no matter their otherwise qualities.
Thanks! Yeah it did seem like one of those urban legends a touristic museum guide would tell the visitors lol. I don't even know where that story originates but it's damn common.
I don't know if this is true, but apparently the great wrath was downplayed by finnish recearchers during the cold war in order to keep the russians happy. Russian policy towards us has allways been the same shit, sometimes in different packages.
@@sirkaapo2178 yeah absolutely. I remember that from senior high school history books (which I also use as sources for this series). "Funny" to think how they've taught the watered-down version in post-war schools when the war was still fresh in the memories
Yes the fucking maanjakouudistus päätös tuli hurrie kuninkaalta muistaakseni.. on vaikuttanu kyllä yhteisöllisyytee . No doubt brother.. Taivaannaula? Mikä homma?
What about Karelian genocide/genocides (including the cultural ones)? (This is not a whataboutism, I genuinely would wish to see it acknowledged here too, especially since here you put pretty heavy emphasis on early nationalist romance movement, which was greatly shapen by its' exotisation and appropriation of Karelian and other Uralian mythology, at the expense of more eastern, more strictly 'Finnish' mythology. - Which exists.) I mean ethnic Karelians. Not Finns (Savonians for example) living in Karelia. - Also, meatballs are really good. As are buns.
Cool art as always and very informative :D (since i had forgotten most of modern finnish history after school🧍🏼♂️) it was also nice that you took women into account!🔥
@@Loveolin thanks! Yeah it becomes easier to include women the closer we get to present day and there are more written sources, not just rusty swords to try and make some conclusions out of 😅
Cardiologists everytime Anttimation uploads: 🤑🤑🤑
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Great Wrath makes me greatly wrathful,
Lesser Wrath lesser so.
This video once again was wonderful,
wouldn't mind them being longer tho.
@@WMfin Long Wrath makes you long and Old Wrath old. Wrathful is our history.
@@AnttimationWhat about very little wrath?
Well it's been a while since the last episode. How did you like this one? Share your thoughts and prayers 😇
I've added some prints from this series to the shop in case you're interested. Well they're there even if you're not.
Link: holvi.com/shop/trolled/
Mielenkiintoinen video, ja hieno illustraatio. Oli mukava katsoa sen syntyä samalla.
Kiitos! Se on tavallaan feikattu miten se piirtyy videolla. Ihan lopussa on pieni pätkä oikeasta piirtämisestä.
@@Anttimation Animaatio ja illustraatio on kyllä ihan 6/5! Helposti verrattavissa ihan top-tier kanaviin. Olis hienoa nähdä joku video, missä syvämmin näytetään miten nää videot luodaan, vai onko siinä ammattisalaisuuksia? Kauan muuten kestää tämmönen 15min videon teko?
@@TT-nf8cp kiitos! Tähän meni useampi työpäivä. Suurin osa ajasta menee tutkimustyöhön ja kirjoittamiseen. Kuvituksessa kestää n. 1 päivä ja animoinnissa toinen. Oon joskus miettinyt että voisi olla hauskaa tehdä tuollainen video... Ja nyt on yksi potentiaalinen katsojakin 😄
@@Anttimation ainakin kaksi potentiaalista katsojaa, +1
Friman! My family here in the USA is from ostrobothnia and we are Freemans now. Kiitos for this work
@@afgraves1 we might be very distantly related then
Love your videos! Style, accuracy, dry humour.
Many thanks!
Love it, as well as the earlier videos. So entertaining and interesting
Thank you Kristian!
good video series, thanks i really liked watching these and can't wait for the next episode!
@@loganperry8637 great to hear. Thanks!
There are no words in the tongues of Men, Swedes, Hiisi, and Tonttu to describe how glorious your videos are.
It's rather strange how the Swedish kings and commanders were masters of warfare during one era, but then during the next era they kept picking all the wrong choices. No wonder they decided to stop going to war altogether a couple of centuries ago, apart from the volunteers.
Wow. Thank you so much for the awesome words!!
Alexander of Macedon, Mongols etc. were pretty damn good warriors too but failed to maintain their newly conquered empires. Although while expanding, Sweden did make succesful internal reforms but then like you said, made all the wrong choices and we know the rest.
Might have been something similar as with Nokia, great at concurring markets, becoming biggest, next up complacency, and finally defeated.
You start to think you're invisible which makes you underestimate your opponent and over estimate your own prowess.
My male ancestors at the of the Great Wrath did not live beyond their 20s. The females live well into their 70s
That's pretty grim. I've traced my ancestors of the era in another video but don't remember seeing any deaths from the Wrath per se. Could remember wrong though.
History lessons in school should be so informative and entertaining at the same time like your videos!
Great video been learning a lot keep it up!
@@yanimustapha4506 thanks!!
We Finns (and why not others too) may look at the misery and death caused by the lesser and greater wraths in horror and anger, but it may be that these wrongdoings inadvertently caused the formation and rise of a new Finnish identity.
@@kastelukannumollom5289 history is always nuanced even in matters like this. Which makes it interesting as hell.
Olen myöhässä. Hieno video kuten aina. ❤
Kiitos taas kerran! Vastahan tää ilmestyi, eli ajoissa olet :)
Eiks nää tuu aina välillä uusintoina?
Another great video.
@@HS-su3cf thanks!
Unique, engaging, and lots of fun.
Molen tornionlaaksolainen ja sinun viiteot oon mahtavat! En tiä niin paljo Eteläsuomesta (ja sen histuuriasta) mutta sinun viiteot oon paljo apu!
/Antheeksi huono kramatiikki :)
Kiitos! Lukaisin juuri Santeri Ivalon romaanin Vesainen, missä ymmärtääkseni tornionjokilaaksolaisetkin talonpojat käy hävityssotaa Venäjän puoleisia karjalaisia vastaan 1590-luvulla.
@@hosumaija eikun hetkonen, Tornionlaakso on eri aluetta. No, saattoi olla sieltäkin 😅
Oman suvun historiaa ja Suomen historiaa tutkineena on kyllä pakko ihmetellä, että on kumma miten sekä Ruotsi, ja Venäjä ovat aina hyötyneet suomalaisesta sotaväestä kautta aikojen ja historian. Sisu ei ole mikään "turha" sana.
@@kirmu409 joo on kyllä karua miten tykinruuaksi on aina kelvannut, mutta alueidensa puolustaminen on kiinnostanut aika vaihtelevasti.
If I remember correctly, there was like 2 years of peace in Europe between 1700 and 1800
@@strongback6550 sounds vaguely familiar
@@strongback6550 sounds vaguely familiar
@@strongback6550 sounds vaguely familiar!
kiitos tietojaat
why i found this channel just 2 days ago
@@tiistai9696 well now you have a bunch of videos to watch. Welcome!
Small request, write the birth and death years of important people mentioned. Helps keep track of the time period.
Muuten on 10/10 settiä, tilaan varmaan pari paitaa joululahjaks ittellenni
Kiitos! Aiemmissa taitaa ollakin, mutta tässä en huomannut 😅 Kasaan nämä valmistuttuaan pitkäksi videoksi ja lisään sitten siihen.
"Great, of course, refers to quantity (usually) as opposed to quality
I know. It's a joke :D
@@Anttimation I know. We do love you
But still I wonder how on Earth different words haven't evolved for those very different meanings! :D
@@Anttimationisnt it funny that the great Dane is a dog?
Could you possibly make a future video about the mythology of Ahti?
You glossed slightly over the Finnish war bit. Russia and Prussia were allied and Russia suffered a crushing defeat against the French in the Battle of Friedland. After this Alexander sued for peace against the French and thus came the Treaty of Tilsit in which good ol' Nappy decided he'd show a bit of grace towards the Russians and let them annex Finland since the Swedes were anglophiles. But yes it was basically Nappy who sold us away at that point because he wanted Russia to join the continental system.
It's always a challenge with these as I want to focus on matters within Finland and its peope and not too much imperial politics... But have to include a word or two sometimes for context and then oversimplification happens
@Anttimation Oh I completely understand. Your video was excellent considering how well you abbreviated a long time period in my opinion.
@@Perkelenaattori thanks! It gets more difficult in the later episodes as we have more and more information. The final, 20th century episode will be particularly difficult.
Napoleons army ravaged my home region. The defense militia from my current parish was all wiped out while defendind the land together with other forces from the surrounding parishes. They could not resist the french army.
There were 86 people just from my parish, all dead. Two of them were my ancestors. The only luck was that they already had kids.
Damn! Where is your home region? If I may ask
0:56........I'm certain that Charles would be gratified to learn that not only this writer but he , as well is descended from Louis V, Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt and Magdalene of Brandenburg, Landgravine of Hesse-Darmstadt...
Hyvä video.
Kiitos
Oulu on the map: Paska kaupunni... great video
@@poronkusta thanks!
It is the same background for kaalikääryleet.
@@laurancerobinson interesting! While I do like the Nordic kääryle, I must say the Greek (presumably Turkish is similar) version with olive oil and vinegar is the superior kääryle
@Anttimation agree there.
I cannot remember of the top of my head where I read it. It might have been when I visited the Ravintola-Hotelli Museo in Helsinki, or it might have been a book or paper related to the Great Northern War.
nämä animaatiot on tosi mielenkiintosia ja historia kans! kadotin kanavasi joksikin aikaa ku unohin tilata kanavan enkä muistanu enää kanavan nimeä! 10/10 kanava
@@TheMrKukkonen hyvä että löytyi taas. Kiitos!
My friends summercottage is near to some caves where the peasants would hide from russkies.
Damn. I like to visit places like that with interesting history that probably not everyone knows about.
Siellä se on Miettilän kylässä, Tai siellä mehtässä. ihan itärajalla. Oli ihan pakko hetken googlettaa, että mikä se kylä oli, kun siellä oli isovihasta muistuttavia muitakin juttuja. Myös mielenkiintonen sikälikin, että siellä on SImo Häyhän kotimuseo, Eli hänen synnyinkotinsa, missä hän asui talvisotaan asti. meille järkättiin random lauantai-iltapäivänä yksityiskierros. Noitahan hienoja jänniä paikkoja riittää tässä maassa. Semmoinen mesta kuin jumalkallio tai joku, on jäänyt vaivaamaan, kun nähnyt kuvan siitä. Se on niinkuin jättiläisen (tai jumalan) pään profiili tietystä suunnasta kastsottuna, Joku näytti joskus mulle mustavalkoisen kuvan siitä.
Anyway hyvä kanava sulla.
@@jussiniemi9560 kiitos! Joo noita jumalkallioita on muutama. Yksi varsinkin on aivan päivänselvästi ihmisen muotoinen sivulta, varmaan juuri se mistä puhut. Kansallismuseossa oli näiden kuvia animoitu esihistorian näyttelyssä.
Well. This explains the generational introvertedness!
That's what I've thought
Henrik Porthan and I remember our ancestor, Jolanthe von Urach Arberg, Gräfin von Neuenburg
The Great Wrath was bad alright, but nothing compares to the Great Vitutus.
I did not know that the Swedes went all the way down to Kiev.
@@NoahNobody they already did centuries before (Kievan Rus) and the word for Russia likely comes from the Finnish for Swedes/Svea.
Great video! I now have a hatred for Napoleon.
Why doesnt anyone in the drawings have eyes ?
@@deathfalcon602 no reason other than I just didn't draw them. We can call it a stylistic choice.
What is Livonia are they related to the finnish.
Quoting Wikipedia:
"Livonia,[a] known in earlier records as Livland is a historical region on the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea. It is named after the Livonians, who lived on the shores of present-day Latvia.
By the end of the 13th century, the name was extended to most of present-day Estonia and Latvia, which the Livonian Brothers of the Sword had conquered during the Livonian Crusade (1193-1290)."
I wonder if Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 will have any side quest related with someone from the lands of Finland.
That would be cool! I don't remember where it's set but I presume South enough for the character to need a pretty good reason to travel all the way to Finland
Yes! And since the hungarian speaking enemy seemed like very poor soldiers in the 1st part, this time the player would definitely shiver in fear behind the bushes when hearing suomi.
🎉🎉🎉
We should have linked up with the germans around leningrad and advanced to the white sea
The Great Wrath was the worst genocide in world history. ⅓ of Finland's population was killed, sent to prison camps in Siberia, and sold as slaves in the Middle Eastern slave markets. It took Finnish population a century to recover it.
@@mikapeltokorpi7671 hmm I don't know about the numbers but in some areas a third is probably not enough
Ah so already in 1700s russia was an awful country. Not suprised.
Yeah I have to agree, it was just as imperialistic and entirely self-interested as it is today. Hadn’t quite reached the levels of Assyrian, Mongol, Ottoman, Mughal, Spanish, French, or English barbarity in the name of plunder but it was getting there quickly. Obviously America beat em all to the top of that list lol but someday Russia will take the crown
mikä sattuma, olen juuri syömässä lihapullia muusin kanssa :D tykkään paljon tosta piirtotyylistä ja tarninankerronasta.
@@Wackimir-Pootin Google tietää jo mitä syömme ja osaa suositella videoita sen perusteella 😆
It has been proven several times that meatballs existed and was eaten in Sweden prior to Charles trying "Turkish" meatballs. Any attempt at relativising that has been shown to be a PR stunt
@@Abraxium that's why I avoided definite statements and said something like the story of meatballs... Or something
no en VITTu tiädä,,,!;!!;;;!
Vitusta mä tiedän miks oon joku introvertti, vittua on väliä.
2:40 Sounds more like common sense
Been hooked on this, sitting on the wrong side of the Baltic sea trying to observe some independence day. Very nice work in every episode. However I must protest this alleged history of meatballs. It is a popular myth but there are older records of meatballs in Sweden and it has no connection to Karl XII or Turkey. You will find these claims even in serious works but as there are older records those are simply wrong no matter their otherwise qualities.
Thanks! Yeah it did seem like one of those urban legends a touristic museum guide would tell the visitors lol. I don't even know where that story originates but it's damn common.
I don't know if this is true, but apparently the great wrath was downplayed by finnish recearchers during the cold war in order to keep the russians happy.
Russian policy towards us has allways been the same shit, sometimes in different packages.
@@sirkaapo2178 yeah absolutely. I remember that from senior high school history books (which I also use as sources for this series). "Funny" to think how they've taught the watered-down version in post-war schools when the war was still fresh in the memories
Yes the fucking maanjakouudistus päätös tuli hurrie kuninkaalta muistaakseni.. on vaikuttanu kyllä yhteisöllisyytee
. No doubt brother.. Taivaannaula? Mikä homma?
@Carlos-n9c8r kannattaa tutustua Taivaannaulan toimintaan/julkaisuihin/videoihin jos perinteet kiinnostaa 👍
Kebab and meatballs from the same source. Who would have guessed. Did they invent bacon too?
They do make some really good grilled meat dishes to this day 😎
come on...
What about Karelian genocide/genocides (including the cultural ones)? (This is not a whataboutism, I genuinely would wish to see it acknowledged here too, especially since here you put pretty heavy emphasis on early nationalist romance movement, which was greatly shapen by its' exotisation and appropriation of Karelian and other Uralian mythology, at the expense of more eastern, more strictly 'Finnish' mythology. - Which exists.)
I mean ethnic Karelians. Not Finns (Savonians for example) living in Karelia.
- Also, meatballs are really good. As are buns.
I'm not familiar with a 1700s Karelian genocide. Re: nationalism and stuff, we get to that in the next episode of the 1800s. Thanks for watching
@Anttimation I did not refer to 18th century or any particular century.
I have seen your other comments. Stop with the anti-finnish propaganda.
@@FinnishNationalist123 🤣🤣🤣
Holy roman mess 😆
No way I draw all the small states!
No en minäkään tiedä
@@marcoylinen9543 ken tietää 🤷
They always say Swedish meatballs, but it seems the meatballs is Turkish.
@@samspencer582 well, the spices make them quite distinct so I think both cuisines can claim a version of meatballs 😁
They have nothing to do with Turkish meat balls.
Well Swedistan is a happy country now. Pavosen heska!
Why do you have to..?
Ruotsi Pavosen Heska lol
Cool art as always and very informative :D (since i had forgotten most of modern finnish history after school🧍🏼♂️) it was also nice that you took women into account!🔥
@@Loveolin thanks! Yeah it becomes easier to include women the closer we get to present day and there are more written sources, not just rusty swords to try and make some conclusions out of 😅