New T'au Empire Combat Patrol Contents Reveal - Is the Tau Box Better or Worse?
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- Let's talk through the new Combat Patrol box set for T'au Empire and how it stacks up!
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0:00 Intro
0:29 New T'au Combat Patrol
1:51 The Contents
2:35 Points
3:25 Discount
4:08 Thoughts
6:26 Previous One Replaced?
8:29 Rules for Combat Patrol Game Mode
10:10 Outro + Closing Thoughts - Ігри
My mate who’s just getting into 40K bought the old tau combat patrol last week.
When I asked him if he wanted to wait to get the new one he simply said to me “I’d like to get both”
He’s truly a 40K fan now, I’m so proud.
Gotcha
The answer of any true degenerate hobbyist 😂
Both is only the correct answer to give
I'm kinda in the same boat. Firewarriors, Devilfish, and Pathfinders seems like a good pick after being finished with the old Combat Patrol, the only bad thing seems like the incompatible Commander.
shame he had to start in one of the worst editions.
"Which is better?"
The Start Collecting box that had three Crisis suits.
Why did they make such a limited run with the boarding action that had farsight and the crisis suits?
@@crustman5982Because boarding action was a small run limited game mode that I guess wasn't that popular
@@Kromgar1337 the boarding action boxes were limited run, not the game mode
Laughs in printer 🖨
@@PhthaloGreenskinthis is the way
I think the more apt description is that combat patrol is regressing into Start Collecting boxes.
40% more expensive as well.
Start Collecting models at Combat Patrol prices. * Incensed Grumbling *
The grift is still working
If they brought Start Collecting back at lower prices it would be worth it tbh. This is just…sad
@@SynFenixOr the old battleforces. Hell battle for maccrage, skull pass and black reach had considerably more models for half the price
Looking at the price of Crisis Battlesuits today I'm so glad I bought most of my Crisis Suits back during the beginning of 8th edition when Crisis Battlesuits sucked and everyone was selling them cheap on eBay.
A transport, a decent amount of chaff bodies, and a commander really isn't that bad.
too bad the commander cant command anything in the box, and his buffs will go to waste.
pretty normal these days for combat patrol to have that. Its annoying if you use a combat patrol to start a 40k army but it is fine in patrol itself to have a sort of "hero" leader character@@Ropsuguy
I think i as far as the new combat patrols have gone, this one is actually pretty good
@Ropsuguy yea but unlike the other combat patrol, the Commander has better guns and can have either fall back and shoot or ignore hit modifieres so it not so screwed over like other characters
@Ropsuguy remember that these boxes are made for the Combat Patrol way to play and not for main competitive play.
As someone building toward the FSE i like it because there's no wasted Ethreal floating around
I get that, but at the same time, it doesn’t hurt to have an Ethereal handy if you ever want to dabble.
Both have their merits. Getting a transport with the standard troops at a discount is quite nice to have imo
Getting 2-3 of these is a solid core for a Tau army . I'd argue its one of the better starter boxes GW have done in years for those just getting into the game. A good HQ (no more excess Ethereals that no-one needs) plus a nice amount of core troops and a transport vehicle.
Been over a decade since I bought a Sky ray box, but if the spare hammerhead sprue still comes in that kit, you only need to buy one of those and you'd have enough bits to turn any spare Devilfish transports into a hammerhead as well.
I liked the stealtsuits and ghostkeel, but the box wasn't as widely useful as this one.
This new combat patrol actually looks pretty good, a great way to start or expand your army.
The Warlord can't lead anything in the box again, but I can live with this. You got the base battleline, a transport, a skirmish unit and a leader with some size behind them so if you are just starting out it doesn't feel completely useless. Compared to DA atleast
I think the Tau suit commander alone looks great for combat patrol. The Gravis DA did not.
The way I'm viewing it is that I could easily take 2 of this CP for my army right now and have a use for every model, and at a discount to boot
Pathfinders and fire warriors? So half the box is extra arms and heads. Cool.
I always appreciate any combat patrol that includes a transport
Space marine combat patrol: oops! All rhinos
@@josefstalin9678 You mean Impulsors?
@@Kingofdragons117 oh yeah fair point
Extra benefit is if you pickup a hammerhead, it also has a skyray turret as well. So now you have the ability to run either 1 transport and a tank or 2 tanks
If you get this box, the old box, 1 Broadside, hammerhead, or skyray, and a crisis squad for the commander, you have a decent force to field a 1000pt list. Almost no units between these 2 boxes would be a waste if you're getting started
Agreed, since thats literally what i have rn :D
Not a waste but not very fun to play
@@murphy7801 idk. Watching Tau Nick on PlayOn dropping bomb of breachers out of devil fish and obliterating somethings always looks fun. Pathfinders with Rails also can prove to be quite potent.
+murphy7801 What do you mean? That is the core of you typical Tau army. Unless you do something really specialized like kroot-heavy or battlesuit-heavy, your army will have those things.
This is way better than the other ones we’ve been seeing lately. Good core units and solid centerpiece options with either the tank or the commander
Right after I finish painting the original as a gift to my brother to get him into the hobby…
You're a good sibling
Look on the bright side. This way, he has a good direction in which to expand his army
This is a wholesome thread :)
Luckily the rules are still available for free download. So, send over the rules to him as well and he can still play. No worries!
@@lt.danhooper1635the 2 CPs and a box of crisis suits feels like a solid starting point.
As a Mechanicus player, I'm jealous.
If they just added on chicken it would have made it so much better
Good selection but feels a little disjointed, Either the crisis commander should have been a cadre/ethereal + another small unit like a piranha or broadside or the pathfinders should have been Crisis suits but that'd probably be considered too valuable for old gee dubs.
Very good to know, I'll buy my second combat patrol now. Though it would have been nice to have known about this a month ago, as I bought almost all these pieces as separate parts, but oh well that's how it goes.
the interesting thing is just how complete of an infantry army you get if you pick up one of the old box, 1 of the new, and a box of Crisis Suits for the Commander to lead
I'm very slowly getting into 40K via the Tau, and I bought the start collecting box set for Tau back around the time the 9th edition codex dropped. I picked up the current combat patrol maybe a month or two ago, and now this one would go very nicely with my current set of models.
That's actually a pretty decent combat patrol. I was concerned it would drop hard in quality, but this is a perfectly acceptable starting off point or Infantry booster box in my mind.
From a gameplay perspective, this is actually pretty solid. Solo commanders can get some serious work done, and breacher-fish are very meta
"It's fine, could be a lot worse I guess" seems to sum up 10th edition Tau
Seems solid enough. I have a small tau force, so I might grab this at some point, I could do with pretty much everything here.
I’ve been putting together a bunch of crisis suits, commander farsight, a broadside and a casual darkstrider so this new box is literally full of things I was planning to get in the future anyway, and no wasted ethereals that I won’t be able to use with farsight - I’m pretty happy
Man, they REALLY couldn't add the KT sprue, huh? Despite ALWAYS adding chapter-themed ones for Marine boxes.
That would have been a great add.
@SmashingSnow would be a nice addition but if you look at the discount on the actual units for the chapter specific space marines I'd rather get a better discount on units than have upgrade sprues eat up some of the value.
@@Moonlighter_TV Would you change the units in the box? I know some people don't like the commander being able to lead anything similar to the Gravis Captain in the dark angels box.
@@SmashingSnow can't comment because I'm not educated in Tau but yeah if that's the case and the leader can't actually run those units then I hate it. Combat Patrol should have value as an entry point in the game and having leaders that just don't play well with your box is a business tactic to get big 40k players to want to buy a leader that CAN go in their units or buy a unit that their leader CAN join. It's about driving sales decisions and not at all about making a fun force out of the box for people to actually play and enjoy Combat Patrol.
@@Moonlighter_TV That is unfortunately the case as the commander can only join the Crisis suit team. I know I'll be buying one box at some point since I want to build up a 2k Tau army after I collect some Dark Angels.
Looks like a fine box. I started T'au with 2 of the current combat patrol and shadowsun, but I wanted to focus in on stealth units. This box looks like a solid general purpose box. Any detachment in the new codex can use any of the units. A devilfish full of breachers, and a commander are 2 things no Tau player should miss out on. The only iffy piece here is the pathfinders, but I personally like them.
This box perfectly fills out my T'au collection: I had 6 crisis suits being led by coldstar commander, now I'll need a second commander with the codex. I have 1 devilfish and 1 breacher squad, would love to get a second breacherfish combo. I love pathfinders even though they aren't the greatest unit in the world, being able to spot for 2 units and being very mobile early is fun and their heavy weapons aren't too shabby.
I'll be turning that devilfish into a skyray with the left over parts from my hammerhead i built. Since i already have a devilfish.
Honestly a hack right there if you don't care for a transport. If you bought a hammerhead/Skyray kit just use the left overs cause it works.
I mean... I personally like the Ghostkeel and stealth suit box more... But that said, these two go so well together to start building up that army, that I really cannot complain that much.
Would of preferred them to replace the Pathfinders ngl. Surprised they didn't add Crisis suits since they just re-did them.
The crisis suits are the cash cow. They will never discount them
Crisis Suits and some Stealth Suits instead of the pathfinders would've made the box feel less anemic than it does, imo.
@@im_flat "anemic" HA, why is that the perfect description.
This is an awesome box for me. Aside from the Fire Warriors it has all the models I wanted to buy anyways.
I right now have the old Combat Patrol an the Start Collecting. So a Commander for my Crisis and a Devilfish for my Fire Warriors (the the new ones) as well as Pathfinders is just perfect. Now the only thing missing is some heavy anti tank, either Broadside or Hammerhead.
Really well thought out. It a thumbs up from me
This really feels like what a Tau combat patrol ought to be. Transport, which can have one of two infantry sqauds, and a crisis suit capstone. I like it
this looks like a fun box, I got the old one last xmass soooo this might be fun to expand the army with.
Honestly a good Combat Patrol/500 Points list should be an HQ or two, Basic Troops Squad, Elite Troops Squad, and a Transport for either. Nice simple gameplay
I'll probably pick this up honestly. Tau are one of those armys I collect very slowly in the background, picking up discount boxes here and there rather than actively filling out the ranks I need. and I could absolutely use some Tanks and commanders. Im cooling with adding one more squad of pathfinders and Fire warriors, but I don't think id grab a second honestly. the 30% is pretty disappointing too.
This feels about like what we got for the start collecting boxes in 8th/ early 9th, but for like 50 dollars more.
this is nice, i need 3 out of 4 of these and more pathfinders gives some utility on markerlights
The box with 3 suits was their best one ever. I bought maybe 5 of those over a few years. The value was just sickening.
Perfect timing. I just got the old Combat Patrol and I’m painting it right now. I’m getting this new one and a unit of Crisis Suits and broad side. Not a bad start for a third army.
RIMMING?!
Always nice to hear when someone’s perfected their rimming🎉
@@markhardycreative LMAO, love it 🤣. Nice catch.
Autocorrect for the win… or fail, depending on what you like or dislike! 🤣
Been meaning to buy the original CP for quite a while now. This has pushed me to do it.
Looks like they dovetail well together too, I largely play small games at home, so the combination is pretty perfect for me, just add some crisis suits.
I have some colour scheme ideas I want to try, even though I have plenty of Tau already. Might Get.
Looks like a reasonable box to get you going, honestly. Might've been nice to have a crisis team for the commander to lead, but I guess I can understand not putting a unit like that in a combat patrol.
with the new way they're being designed. either the crisis teams would have been insanely powerful or wimpy as hell depending on matchup. from list balancing perspective it makes sense. additionally it makes sense due to how expensive crisis are
Was already planning to pick up all of the things in the new CP, so for me it works out perfectly :D
Like the new Combat Patrol. Got to play some CP games lately and the mix seems fun for that format as well
It is a very good mix for the CP game. Movement, objectives and a tough shooty heavy.
I still reckon the best T'au Box was the Boarding Patrol (Which I got): Farsight, Trio of Crisis suits, Breacher team (10), a few drones. This one does feel decent, but it depends on your detachment I suppose.
Seeing this Combat Patrol is going to be Tau Only, do you think there would be a Kroot Combat Patrol ? Seeing the Combat Patrols are infantry heavy, it would make sense to have one for Kroots too. Could for example be, unit of Carnivores with a Shaper, and maybe 2 units of Kroot Hounds lead by the Lone Spear ?
Either way, seeing both the patrolls next to each other, they form a solid start to a T'au army for anyone who wants to start collecting them, maybe add the Kroot box to it and you have 1k army ready to go.
I would bet that Kroot will get a Combat Patrol ruleset in a White Dwarf.
Probably just separate rules via white dwarf
that would work for me, but having an official Combat Box for the discounts would be nice ;)
Honestly the ones that stand out as odd to me are the commander who doesn’t have a good lead option, and the pathfinder’s who are very usable but removing them wouldn’t be the worst case.
The best way to make this more coherent is to either swap pathfinders for crisis suits or just make a Kroot box
I can see grabbing a couple of these to get started in tau. Fish of fury breachers are great in Kauyon and I’m sure they’ll be just as good in mont’ka. Can’t see anyone wanting more than a couple copies of the pathfinders though
If that devilfish came with the whole kit of hammerhead and skyray, then yeah, it'll be a steal.
Yknow, with the exception of the ghostkeel, I like this one more than the old one.
Maybe the next guard patrol will have a chimera for once
I might have to pick that up
Devilfish are pretty cool, they were a bit of a pain in a game yesterday
Not bad, would be a nice start to have some fun in combat patrol
i like both! but i think that the combat patrols with no big models play better if u are focused on playing combat patrol, but have less value when just collecting for ur 2000point army
Can’t wait to see the GSC one being just the rock grinder, 10 neophytes, and a magos, but still 140$ because that’s what it’s looking like we’re going to get
I know, no matter what they do it won’t be as good as the current combat patrol. That’s why I bought 3 of the GSC CP as i slowly build my tau and GSC. I wish I would’ve bought one more Tau CP but the GSC is just the best value.
I think it looks really good! The commander alone is a bit weird, as is the inclusion of the kill team, but overall a good set. It could benefit from a squad of crisis suits, maybe replacing the devilish or pathfinders, but it seems like a solid box.
It's not the kill team, the kill team has updated pathfinder models in it that this kit does not
I have a suspicion GW realises that solo commanders may be going up in value
Ooh nice I was planning to buy a devilfish for my mum's Tau
Would have been nice if one of the infantry squads were replaced with a crisis squad, but definitely seems better than I expected. Solo commander seems more reasonable than the other "leader with no squad" we've seen, and the transport is definitely a nice surprise.
Still a bummer to see GW shaving value off at all though. Even straight-up adding a crisis squad wouldn't match some of the best options for points per dollar.
If they had swapped the pathfinders for a unit of 3 crisis suits, it would have been near perfect, IMO.
If combat patrol could get a consistent identity that would be great, this one doesn’t seem all that bad though, since it seems like it gives you a decent selection of infantry with a transport, so if you want to expand into other parts of the army you’re fairly free to. At the same time it’s kinda dissapointing that the transport is the “big unit” I’d love at least something else to give it more identity than “infantry with a transport”
Considering every single combat patrol 'cept for maybe nids has gotten a Meh at best from general audiences, a glare of disgust by the same people, but an ABSOLUTE rage boner from everyone who actually collects the army (ex. I am a Mechanicus player)
What do the local Tau plsyers think? This one for me truly feels like what a combat patrol SHOULD be.
not a player, but i have the old start collecting box, so this new one will pair well with the one i got.
As a new player myself this is ideal and good value imo, I do prefer the look of the current box though. Will probably get both and have a decent army to get started ….. then slowly realise how much stuff needs building and painting lol 😂
I like the look of this set!
As an introduction box it's maybe more... usefull? Better to have a commander that ethereal/fireblade, a transport is always good, maybe I would not have put two infantry units; for starting army is good but it would have been better a crisis unit, like you said. Although I think devilfish+breachers are a great combination, if the pathfinders bring the Kill Team upgrade sprue I prefer them to the breachers, is a good support/spotter unit and give the option of trying a different game.
I’ll prolly pick this one up, have a commander but otherwise need more infantry and a devilfish to fill out my army
This is what I've been holding out for, I already have pathfinder and I'm just painting some stealth battlesuits so I have a third of the combat patrol already, If I buy the new combat patrol it still may work out cheaper, I have to check on my 1000 point list to see any changes
I'd say for anyone getting t'au it great to get the old box before it's gone and then get this one. You pretty much got an army with these together.
Vakue discussion aside, this new one feels like more of a "proper combat patrol" to me: there are some scouting Pathfinders, Firewarriors/Breachers swooping in with the Devilfish to deal with any actual threat and a Commander to coordinate and lend heavy firepower were needed.
It also is a good addition to the current box.
P.S.: The "no suits" part is not a surprise. GW does not WANT you to get the more expensive things in a "value box". You are supposed to buy them seperately, cuz moar profitz.
I think depending on how you like the tau will make the decision on which combat patrol you like the old or new I personally like the old one because i prefer battlesuits over high infantry and the start collecting box was great
Iv gone back and forth on this CP. The big draw is the Commander, and the devilfish is a plus, more plastic at a discount, and transports are always good. It would make for a solid single purchase for CP, but a second box for 40k would be unnecesary, unless you want another devilfish and didnt magnetize your Commander.
Its an interesting boxset though. The devilfish feels like an after thought. GW meant to pick both battleline options, which then made the devilfish a good choice. This CP doesnt feel as much of a model dump as some of the others. If anything the pathfinders are what they are trying to make up for on loss profits for KT. If I had to make my own CP, I would model it after the Necron CP. Id drop the fire warriors, one battle line is good enough. Replace those with crisis battlesuits. At that point the devilfish is no longer needed and Id slap a big gun in there with the broadside. Then round it out with the commander for some nice synergies.
I honestly would say that the other one was almost more infantry heavy, if only for the fact that it had 2 infantry characters. If the Ghostkeel was a Devilfish, then I would say that the old one would be better just due to the Ethereal and Fireblade. Granted the new one has more bodies, but I don't think Tau really needs that, plus the Stealth suits from the old one helped give more variety to infantry sized units while not being infantry itself.
Games workshop's "Shrinkflation" being applied again to a new CP.
I think what'll be the deciding factor for me is if the Pathfinders come with the Kill Team upgrade sprue
Geez, when I started 40k it was 80€ for a devilfish, three crisis, fire warriors and kroots. This is getting ridiculous.
The Pathfinders not being the KT version feels a rather cheap move, by "giving away" that little extra sprue they could encourage people to get into KT too but no, god forbid they are THAT "generous"...
Dang, might have to take you up on that discount 😅 kinda wanted the old one
sure, this one combos really well with the current ghostkeel one, but once those dry up it feels very bad for both this one having a charactor with nothing to attach to in the box, and .. its just feels so much smaller than the ghost keel one.
Solo Commander is actually a very meta choice right now
I bought some crisis suits recently and no commander, so this looks pretty useful for me.
The question is, should i buy a 2nd one of the existing CP? Are 2 Ghostkeels worth running?
they should have had a broadside mech instead of commander mech and added in a cadre fireblade to be HQ for the firewarriors. or swap the commander mech with... crisis suits, or a hammerhead
More newbie friendly. The Ghostkeel was a little… advanced? But that made it more appealing to vets. The commander is definitely better than the Previous 2x minor HQ choices.
Better than others.. say dark angels maybe?...
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As someone who plays with a more 4th ed theme to my Farsight enclave force I am not a fan of etherials, plus I already have a Ghost Keel so I plan to get the new Combat Patrol.
The pathfinders would be nice if they had a second unit to guide.
They can guide the fire warrior unit and then what to pick for the 2nd. The commander that doesnt need it or the devilfish ?
I quite like the box in itself, but this weird misscount feels off to me
they needed a better way to get crisis suits to new players. as is i dont see many people wanting to buy more then 1 of these even though devil fish + breachers are solid atm and commanders are always good.
3 crisis suits, a commander and a team of fire warriors would have been a slam dunk in my opinion and would have made buying 3 of these solid. 3 squads of crisis with commander and 2 breacher teams to go in devil fish and 1 strike team to sit with an ethereal on your home objective . would still incentivize you buying other models and is of a similar $ value
Feels a lot like the old Tau Collecting box if you subbed out the pathfinders for kroot.
I think you buy two of each, and then have an excellent start to the army.
Honestly it's not awful for a starter, but I still feel like we'd all want crisis suits in a starter box considering how iconic they are (despite the pretty crap rules changes). the pathfinders are an odd choice imo, probably selected with being an observer unit in mind, and the commander is clearly just picked so there can't be anyone to lead a squad from the box , but breachers and a devilfish is a clear pairing (that GW clearly wants people to play) that does work well together.
All 4 are highly usable models, this is a huge W. Pathfinders with a Darkstrider are hugely slept on. Fish of fury is still amazing. Commanders are a must have if youre taking suits, which you probably are. Honestly, buying both the old and new Combat Patrol would be a GREAT way to get into a T'au army. Just need some suits, another Devilfish, a Darkstrider and a few other kits to fill out the list.
i like the current one more, but this seems like a decent buy for those that already have the current one other than having lots of troops.
That's awesome
Probably prefer this to the weirdly stealth slant the original had but i think they compliment each other well
Dam, Tau player actually got a treat with this one.
BreacherFish and Railfinders are perfectly good for a Combat Patrol. However, if they didn't want to give a full Crisis team, they should've kept the Ghostkeel or swapped the robot for a couple Broadsides.
I like the implications of smaller, QRF sized forces but it still hurts the wallet
So the box is good at a 30% discount, a new player will want all the models in that box. and 2 of them will make a decent core for the army. So cannot complain too much.
But whoever is wishing to get into Tau will want to pick up the previous one before it goes out of sale too.
This one is very tempting for myself. I've always liked Fire Warriors and Pathfinders.
Certainly better than the Dark Angels one that just came out.
Lore wise it’s a great change because it didn’t make much sense as to why one of the top leaders of the Tau Empire is just walking around on patrol. Gameplay and box set wise I’ll miss the ghost and stealth suits cuz they made sense in a patrol. New CP doesn’t really show off the suits, but it’s alright for first jumping into the faction and expanding your force because not many people have a lot of pathfinders and standard troops with a transport is just a good way to play Tau. Commander is also cool, but isn’t great to see when picking up this box for the 2nd or 3rd time.