What's happening at Norton Motorcycles, and how did they do in 2024?
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- Опубліковано 27 гру 2024
- In this video I cover what's happened at Norton Motorcycles this year. Will they move production out of the UK? Do they have new bikes on the way? In the wake of the KTM collapse, how are their financial results looking? I give an update on all this and more, including the support that TVS Motors India are giving them, and how many bikes Norton have sold. I also give a short update on the pensions scam related to the previous owner of Norton, Stuart Garner.
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So the crook Garner didn’t do any time and the pension losses were not payed for by the crook ! Typical no real justice or punishment.
For your information, the pension money that all the know nothings keep bleeting on about never went into Stuart Garners pocket, it went into the company to keep it going until the government of the day payed a promised developement grant which never arrived. The company had a tax bill outstanding which would have been covered after the receiving of the developement grant and payment yo suppliers.
Stuart Garner did nothing different to numerous other budinessmen, people like Richard Branson who was taking cash to sell records that he never even had is just one example. The only difference being, Stuart Garner was pro BREXIT, And Tony Blairs friends, such as like of Branson, campaigned vigerously against BREXIT, and got payed handsomely for it, something that is all on public record if yoy eant to claim itbas a lie?.
He is allowed to raid the pension pot so long as the money is put back in to the company and they leave an IOU. If you want to blame anyone for that then blame Thatcher
@@JSmith19858 For your information, such activities have been legal for decades before Margaret Thatcher came to ooffice, and it`s a practice that has benefitted most pension funds. It`s what makes pensions grow in value.
@@neillambton4065 that's not what was stated in the video . .
@@neillambton4065 Where are your sources please?
I grew up around Norton motorcycles, their biggest mistake was in the 70’s they continued to make motorcycles who’s engines were designed in the 30’s and 40’s and didn’t make any smaller capacity bikes that would appeal to younger riders as well as those more experienced as did the Japanese companies. Norton FAILED to produce a large capacity multi cylinder motorcycle that would compete with the Honda CB750 that also had electric start and ran with little to no viberation. The BSA Triumph group managed to carry on after Norton had folded but by the mid 80’s to the early 90’s it had gone completely until John Bloor took it over and stationed it at Hinckley but the BSA Triumph group was guilty of exactly the same things as Norton and the AMC ( Associated motorcycles ) Group as really was the whole British Motorcycle Industry. Norton in my honest opinion made some serious errors of Judgment by not developing a multi cylinder modern engine , instead choosing to mess around with Wankel rotary engines which they wedged into a Yamaha FZR750 Chassis, for true Norton enthusiasts, Norton didn’t exactly cover itself in glory in that instance because those bikes weren’t Nortons in any way shape or form, and this brings us to the rotary engined Norton Commander - too bloody expensive ! And that carried on right up to present day because Norton haven’t made a motorcycle that a working class person could afford since the early to mid 70’s , even that 961 commando was too expensive for what it was, and it’s speed and power was only comparable with that of a Yamaha TDM 850 ! My brother had a brand new Norton Commando ( before that he had an Atlas ) and my uncle had a brand new Honda CB750 and when they stood them side by side the Honda was the better bike, even when the Triumph Trident is compared against the Honda CB750, the CB750 still comes out on top because the Trident as with the rest of the British Motorcycle Industry of that time was too little - too late. And from what you say here The Norton Motorcycle company have absolutely no intention of manufacturing a motorcycle that the general public can afford…….I’d love to ride a Norton, but it looks like I’ll be sticking with YAMAHA !
Thank you for taking the time to comment on the video. Interesting perspective. Hope you are enjoying the content. Thanks!
You miss the point totally. Norton has always been a premium brand. While a side by side comparison with a Jap bike might leave you thinking the Jap bike was somehow superior, the reality was very different. My friends all had big Jap bikes and I had no trouble outperforming them on the road. Maybe, if I got the idea in my head for a new guitar, or piano, I would have no trouble owning a Yamaha.
Triumph. That's what I ride. A 2021 Bobber with 20K AUD custom work done. Best bike I've ridden and the quality of the modern Triumph is second to none.
@@SavedbybGrace Any Thailand Triumphs I have seen here have fit and finish problems. The welds look like they were done by a high school welding class and the panels were wonky. Maybe you got a good one, but I wasn't offered a good one when I was looking. I have it in my mind I'd like to try an iron head Sportster, so I'm keeping my eyes peeled for one of those at the moment.
Another step down the industrial ladder for the UK.
@fredforsythe8310 You seem old enough and wise enough to feel the pain too! Superb engineering prowess destroyed by greedy management.
As soon as I saw the new Commando with carbon fibre mudguards and 1980s Suzuki indicators I knew they were going down the wrong road.
It came 15 years too late in my opinion. There was a time when those with more money than sense were in abundance but those days are gone.
How could anyone who apparently knows what they are doing let a premium product leave the factory with those indicators. Has anyone said that they like them, no. And, they are still being sold with the same ones. Crazy
They must be careful and not price themselves out of the market . All types of transportation are under attack these days .
All manufacturers have got to be so careful, bikes are mainly now toys, price is critical and the Chinese are a coming to do to manufacturers what Japanese did to British bikes!
@PNH63 what British bikes did to themselves!
I rode a new commando and actually really enjoyed it. But there is something about the Norton Brand that i wasn't comfortable with.
So, I went for the Triumph Thruxton instead.
I'll wait for the Norton to plummet in value a bit more, then I'll buy one.
Thanks David.
Hi David thanks for your comments. I love riding my 961. Ride safe. Cheers. Jonathan
The only way to survive in the current market is to switch production fully to india, and put norton stickers on a generic indian bike. As likes of triumph, benelli, bmw, have gone. Or carry on making huge losses. Premium brands such as ducati are getting very nervous as more buyers go chinese / indian, small capacity. Small volume bike sales means shoddy products as little money for R&D and quality control.
@mysterybiker1717, Spot on analysis.
Even Honda have gone down this road with the release of the GB 350s in Europe, and they seldom get it wrong
Surprised TVS Group don't simply take the entire Norton operation over to India.
They will.
@@andersd8956 I can't see they have any option considering the UK is quickly becoming a basket case.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt Norton just can't get their act together...look what Indian, a dead motorcycle company has done, look what Ducati has done with their scrambler line, look what Royal Enfield has done worldwide...it's baffling. And just like KTM found out, the West is not going to pay premium prices for third-world products...
I'd like a Norton but the price prohibits a purchase for what is by modern standards a relatively modest performance spec.
I kinda look at it like this: When I get on a Norton I don't have to worry about silly things like "riding modes" because I am the riding mode.
Thanks for the update. As an ex-Commando owner (1974 Mk3) I continue to watch Norton with interest, while resisting the temptation to buy a new one, until I am sure what the company are doing. I continue to feel that the abandonment by TVS / Norton of all the existing Donnington built machines / owners is p*ss poor, for so many reasons.
Hi Neil, thanks for your comments and feedback. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers
Well researched and put together. Lets hope Norton announce something meaningful in 2025 vs paint schemes (which are a good idea), finance deals and clothing lines.
Cheers dude, I appreciate the feedback. Let's catch up soon!
Just picked one up at £69 a month with 3.5k off. Deal of the century....
Nice! Are you enjoying it?
What's the Balloon payment on that PCP agreement,probably 10k plus, with a payment that low, or did you put 90% down.
You omitted the longstanding V4SS owners dispute that has now been refereed to the Parliament & Health Service Ombudsman to review maladministration by both DVSA and Insolvency Service. Happy to sure data with you as it would add to the content in this video.
@@shauntaylor4912Any genuinely New news would be an improvement....
Awesome deal, might have to buy another one lol
Issue with the current iteration of the bike is that theyre too expensive and niche for what theyre selling. Move the main factory to somewhere cheaper and do small final touches in the UK factory and lower the prices of the bikes to sub 10k and you'll have a solid seller. Also another issue is no sales in the US.
Excellent presentation. Clear & concise. Thank you for this update. I hope we see a successful outcome, because these motorcycles are beautiful
Hi Steve, thank you for taking the time to give me feedback, I really appreciate it. Cheers. Jonathan.
Based on their losses, each bike comes at a cost to the company of circa £140000, and sold in the mid to high teens. They are i believe one of the best looking naked bikes, but can a large company continue to except those types of losses. I own two MV,s, and sadly i think its curtains for that company now. I hope Norton survives
Thanks for your comments. I also had an MV for a short time, I loved that bike but I prefer my 961 Commando. Ride safe. Cheers
Great video!
Thanks for the feedback. And thanks for the mention - it really helps a small channel like mine!
Nicely researched and presented. I just wonder when TVS expect to see a payback/profit on their investment? Even forgetting the last couple of years' huge losses, they paid a huge chunk of change originally for the company.
I hope Norton start producing some new models that do sell. There must be a limit to the time even rich owners can afford to fund a loss maker.
Thanks so much for your comments and feedback. I really appreciate it.
When the 961 was originally announced, I was quite excited by the thought of owning one, despite the "exclusive" price tag. What put me off was learning of the very short-stroke engine, which, you may disagree, would remove it seemed much of the "character" of the old 89mm, the same stroke as it turned as my old MGB in the 1970s and '80s.
Revolution in Perth was a dealer in the Garner years, its a car shop selling Morgans ostensibly but are selling RE and CCM as well as Nortons. Norton will never be a success now, not in this country anyway, the scandals over the years have blunted any enthusiasm for the brand except for the Emperors new clothes clique and the hangers on of the committee of the NOC. I'm sad that Norton are ending this way, and that's from a Norton owner of almost 50 years. Nice well researched Video though.
i'm new - if you care to elaborate, what were the scandals?
Thank you for your feedback, I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers. Jonathan
@John_Wood_
Fortnine has a good UA-cam video on the topic of the various bankruptcies of Norton over the years
ua-cam.com/video/N0ntFqPwUCE/v-deo.htmlsi=bFHBgl-OSc_uIbOt
My Brother test rode the Commando and His main impression was that it would shake itself to bits ?
Not a question, why the question mark?
Over priced in a dying market with a manufacturer that could fold and leave you with an ornament 😬
Yeah I can see a collapse coming in a year or so.
The problem is there’s only so many people want that look of bike. £16,000 bike for a sunny 🌞 Sunday hour ride out..
I have been to the Norton showroom in Revolutions UK, Perth. Nice display but too expensive for my budget. Revolutions UK are also the new Royal Enfield Dealership north of the Forth Road Bridge, after a disastrous years for Scottish motorcycle dealerships.
@0:23 The 'pensions scandal' did not ''Contribute to the collapse"! It's public awareness merely accelerated the inevitable.
Garners way, yet again, of mitigating the 'management' of funds into his own investments. A means of buying time while he planned his exit strategy.
Sure seems that way - the proverbial rat leaving the sinking ship !
Of course TVS will produce the majority of all Norton motorcycles in India. They would be daft not to. They might maintain a design office in the UK and possibly some do assembly work on top-of-the-range models, but there is no way they can be profitable obeying UK rules and paying UK wages and taxes. In any case, if they stay in the UK they will be obliged to make a percentage of electric bikes and then phase-out all the internal combustion engine machines within ten years. They currently sell about three million scooters and small motorcycles per year across Asia and i suspect they are reasoning that a lot of those existing customers might be persuaded to move up to something larger, with the world famous ‘Norton’ name on it. This isn’t about the UK the focus is much further to the East.
Nice update, Clear and easy to digest. Thanks for the effort.😎
Thanks so much for your comments and feedback, I really appreciate it.
The new Hesketh...
It appears that the recent December finance offer has sold a lot of 961s.. I know of four people who have bought from my local dealer in the last few weeks.
i like your content; as for the bikes = 38 million loss to make a few bikes , with most of the revenue going to pay big wigs is a no no isn't it ; the bike in reality is worth about 6000 - 8000 , if it didn't shake so much ;
Thank you for your feedback and comments.
@@NortonUnofficial thanks for the effort , i know all feedback is not positive , we all have different views ;
Send production to India and price them the same as Enfield and they might have a chance 😂
Great, yet more job losses in the UK. India has a protectionist economy. They're picking the brains of the the west. Like Enfield. Miniscule numbers employed here while mass manufacturing in India. Ditto Triumph which has the gaul to have Union Jacks all over its products, while mass manufacturing offshore helping those economies. While the UK has become a low paid low skilled welfare dependent economy for many.
BIkes in general (even moderate-sized) have become prohibitively expensive, the Norton range in particular, I'm afraid to say as a former owner of a '72 Commando in the 1990s. I could afford a 961 for example, lucky old me, but it would be a huge "indulgence" that could not be rationally justified. Extremely sad.
Unfortunately as history has shown premium brands simply do not survive,Norton are existing because of TVS selling cheap bikes.
I owned several commando's they were junk .Still junk it seems.
I live in the states and have been riding since the age of 9. I own a few older two strokes Yamaha and Suzuki’s street bikes from the 70’s. My around town short trip bike is an Indian made LML 150cc 2 stroke scooter 2005. Great scooter with a reed valve engine. The Indians understand how to make a quality product with styling at a price point, that won’t break your wallet. KTM is bankrupt because they focused on premium product over a price point product that would compete with Honda,Yamaha, Kawasaki and Suzuki. Who dominate the market globally. They are the template by which to run a product range and pricing and the Balance sheet of a successful company. Royal Enfield is doing it successfully and they make a great bike for the money.
I was going to buy a 961sp in August when they had the 3.5k off deal running but I couldn’t commit to it due to other factors and that was the last month of that deal the following deal of 0% finance wasn’t in my opinion worth doing and I don’t think the bike is worth 17k so unless they do a better deal soon or reduce the price I will probably be buying the final edition thruxton within the next few months
Hi thanks for your comments.
I couldn't stay far enough away. Good luck to the brave owners.
Young people, as far as I can see, don't seem to have as much enthusiasm for motorcycles as us more mature people. Far too much BS to obtain a full licence these days. I would imagine that the Norton bikes are only bought by older riders that can afford the high prices. Also, the riding position on some of the models wouldn't be very comfortable for us geriatrics. I would still love to own one though!
I can’t believe the hoops people have to jump through to get into biking! My son took his test when he was 19, got an A2 licence. If he now wants to ride a bigger bike, he has to retake his test. Unbelievable!
I have ridden my 961 all across Europe. I’m 55, it wasn’t the most comfortable riding position for sure, but I made it and I had an absolute blast. If you get the opportunity, I highly recommend taking one for a test ride.
Can’t wait to see what these 6 new bikes are like!
Thanks for your comments.
Cheers.
This is a great review. Thank you. I can not for the life of me work out why TVS are persevering with this brand. They are basically trying to take over the world with two motorcycles. It doesn't make any sense economically or on terms of logistics
Good to hear that Deposit holders and those who lost their Pension savings were taken care of.
Steven Garner should be in Prison.
Hi Mike, I completely agree. Thanks for your comments. Cheers. Jonathan.
@@NortonUnofficial When I was 15 years old I worked in an Independent motorcycle Shop that Specialized in British Bikes. BSQ, Norton & Triumph. The Owner had a BSA Pro Hillclimber. I am 63 now .
Norton will never make profit at that price
Dukes are made in Thailand and sell very well here in Japan.
Yes if norton wants to go global they have to make their bikes in india bcoz low cost of labour and headquarter in UK.
Thank you for your comments
Enjoyed the wash up but you didn’t mention the dealers that dropped Norton, like Via Moto Sheffield. That dealer was nearest to me, the next one is a way off so I’ve sort of binned the idea.
Norton need a bread and butter model,that was the Atlas, the model they dropped!
Have any watches on here seen a Norton on the road probably no, there way overpriced priced for a rough running twin that will never stand the test of time I was at the recent NEC show and didn’t even bother looking on the Norton stand why would anybody want to buy a bike that won’t be around for long.
I really hope that Norton keep manufacturing motorcycles, there's been a lot of bad news lately regarding motorcycle manufacturers. 🤞
Does this really matter at all as motorcycles will be effectively banned in 2030 ? there will be a few expensive impractical ones about Harley Zero etc but game over for Bikers .
If you can afford it buy a new bike and tuck it away in your garage as an investment, prices may sky rocket after the death of real cars and bikes
😂😂😂 I guarantee I'll be riding in 2030 if I'm not dead !
It will take a lot longer than 5 years to phase out bikes.
Governments change and when the net zero religion/agenda has to face some hard facts/reality things will change again.
There's hardly any market for big bikes in India, despite the size of its population, so my guess is they will come out with a range of 400/450cc singles built in India or a badge engineered TVS Apache 310 or Agonda 225... 🤔
I really hope bsa have similar investment and models in development.
I presume the high reported losses are a result of investment in the new factory, and more so the development of the new models.
I hate to think of the cost to develop a motorcycle model from scratch these days.
Doesn’t there need to be a profitable operating business before you hire an expensive profit siphon in the form of a CEO? ‘Back in the day’ every engineering works apprentice in my West of Scotland hometown rode a Norton (if they didn’t drive a Cortina) - most were cafe-racers, and their owner-modifiers actually hung out at cafes. Not many working class 17-22 year olds with that kind of money to splash out on a machine you probably won’t be able to find spares for in the next five years, and no more apprenticeships for lunch break machining. Oh well.
Norton is going to struggle in the UK...even with TVS support, the market just isn’t there anymore...the blueprint to follow is Triumph who make all their bikes in Thailand and Brasil...TVS will make Norton-badged bikes in India
Truly I wish them all the best, however trying to be a boutique bike and moving production abroad to an area where millions of motorbikes are sold each year sounds odd. Why would I buy a Norton when I could buy a Metisse?
The 961 exhaust system is something I couldn't live with.
No interest in having to finance something that doesn't look like a motad from the early 80's.
Solid content but it has a gap as the insolvency and the treatment of creditors has been escalated to the Parliament & Health Service Ombudsman. They are going to investigate potential maladministration by DVSA and Insolvency Service. Happy to share material and the basis James Cleverly MP agreed to submit the complaint to the PHSO on behalf of NUML creditors
At the moment, the business of motorcycles, is a fairly tough nut to crack. Young folks seem to be simply uninterested. It might be different in Asia, but I know here (N. America) they all "like" your bike, seem blown away a 70+ year old poop has one as a daily driver, but they remain uninterested in ownership.
I'm the sort of guy that always loved the old Norton's, has money in the bank to purchase new (and actually needs one), but I'll never, ever buy one...not only did Norton let North Americans down, but they made us angry...and now, they're going to cheapen their product as well. Just go away already. The carrot on the stick has rotted and fallen off. Look at what a completely dead company, Indian, has done in the last 10 years...and then look at Norton. Well, I guess Norton mirrors the shape your entire country is in...
Right, Anders. The decline started, IMHO, with the introduction of the Commando, which was a splendid ride, but also a cover-up. The Commando's motor was the same old parallel twin. Underneath the isolastic suspension that 1930s design was still trying to shake itself to pieces.
With the advent of the Commando Norton kept the wrong motor and dropped the right frame--the unmatched featherbed.
Here's how you sell more bikes you produce what you want and even produce replicas of old old motorcycles then you sell them not as new but as used
Also more options from the factory like forget about front disc brakes some guys want those fancy looking drum brakes give them that as an option and don't forget to give kick start as an option
Also offer old school kits of motorcycles that people want without a motor let somebody else sell the motors on the side as an option
I wish them all the best for 2025 but I just don’t get it. It seems contradictory to say they are a premium non mass market brand and then presumably make some cheap arse bike to sell in Asia. In my opinion they have lost their way, the bikes are virtually the same as 10 years ago maybe better quality but who’s buying them, clearly not many folk. If you want a retro clunky old school Norton why not buy an old original one? The V4 skinner design doesn’t work against its competitors. The first thing they should do is return to their racing heritage then more riders like my self will hop back onboard. It seems at the moment there’s just a lot of high earning execs taking a piece of a non existent pie.
Thank you for your comments. Ride safe
@ I genuinely want to see them succeed. We know Garner was a delusional crook and no businessman, but ten years ago there was a real buzz about the product and passion from Norton enthusiasts. The V4 (Aprilla all be it) silver Norton at the TT, the Commando looking good around its peers.
Obviously it’s better Garner was ousted and should have done time in my opinion, but it needs someone with motorcycle passion and in particular the road racing side to take it forward not some bloke from Man U. It is bespoke-ish and ‘currently’ made in England but you can’t call it a premium product just by the asking price, it has to have a wow factor and more importantly the actual product needs to be the very best, and in my humble opinion that’s not currently the case
@@NortonUnofficial Is "ride safe (ly)" the new "have a nice day"?
I'll keep our BMW RNineT 1200 boxer. a real premium brand and quality. Thank you....
I saw a v4cr up at £42000 recently.......i was not tempted!
Who got the Sixteen Million ?
He took the money out of the pension scheme to pay of creditors.
So an over priced unreliable bike is moving to now becoming an over priced & unreliable bike. Love innovation
How can they sell a replica of a bike they never built in the first place ? Rotary bikes were built by NRE and Norton Motors not Norton Motorcycles !!!
Norton as a name has suffered far too many reincarnations and false starts.
They'll have to copy 'RE and Mahindra's BSA to be successful.
The pursuit of "premium" buyers is a mirage, that's been the approach of all of the previous owners. There are few of these people around. Making overly complicated expensive bikes without a solid time proven reputation is to put it kindly, tricky.
Most buyers don't want to pay out for a bike that is suddenly unsupported and they are left high and dry.
If Norton wants to be a premium model only company it will fail, that’s a given, who can afford 20k for a bike unless you sign your life away or use rent it ride it!!! If they stay in the UK they will also fail, the price is to high to manufacture in the UK, it’s nice to know nortons are made in the UK but what does it matter these days, to survive they need to produce a range and size of bikes to be successful and to attract younger riders. I want Norton to survive but take a leaf out of triumphs book and follow suit, it’s the only way to survive.
Simply shift the manufacturering to india specialy 600ccs bikes
I don't believe they deserve success. Sorry, but the combination of retro ignorance and dreadful engineering has annoyed for too long.
The brand has a stench about it. Why would anyone wish to associate themselves with the image of a loser? The company will fail, guaranteed.
Reported the Government are planning to bring forward ZEM to 2030
5 years left for newpetrol bikes
Norton need to increase the power output and go water cooled. At the moment they are overpriced and underpowered, not worth the asking price.
To many emission restrictions in the uk and all so its being made harder to purchase/own a motorcycle here just look at India just get on and move on
You won’t get mass sale at those prices
I really want a 961
Hi Robert, thanks for your comment. Do it! You won't regret it :) Even a Donington era bike can be picked up relatively cheaply these days, and I've toured all over Europe on mine. Cheers. Jonathan.
If you're quickj you can get one on their Dec deal for pennies
Motorcycle World in Northampton stopped being a Norton Dealer .
They sold off the last bike which was used as for customer test rides for £10.495 .
Customers were virtually fighting over it .
The 961 is a fab bike to own .
The only faults are the side stand needs needs a inch cut off it to make it safer on uneven ground ,and risers on the handlebars as it's a bit of a stretch on the sport or sp it's known these days .
My Commando was a Donnington mk 2 in English White .
I sold it to help pay my mortgage off .
Another product no one wants besides a miniscule faithful.
WAY OVERPRICED BIKES
One word... HONDA
Honda Announced the cub will cease production next year,also the Triumph dealership has closed down near me in Japan.
Norton that would be the brand that makes cheap quality poorly built motorcycles with ludicrous prices that depreciate like nothing else on the second hand market a grand a year every year tempting I think not.😂👍
They will never resurrect Norton motorcycles manufacturing them in the UK with Britain's 1st World overheads and having to deal with the cultural problem of a slothful lazy unco-operative working class and Britain's well known low productivity.
Yes agree, Germany has 25% of its staff off sick in the automotive manufacturing industry at any one time. A million people employed and talks of 10% layoffs to try and save the industry, and that's with German style work ethics. What must it be here in UK.
Sorry, did you actually write, “1st World”, to describe current Britain?
Rubbish. Bad management create bad staff. The British motorcycle industry vanished because of greedy short sighted management, churning out 1930's designs pushed beyond their original design limits on clapped out tooling. BSA was bled dry by the Dockers who retired to a tax haven. Slothful lazy management more interested in their latest company toys, not the workforce. I worked in industry most of my life. People worked hard for what they got. The management was noticeable by its absence and refusal to invest in new designs training and tooling.
Said like a typical British working class Fabian Socialist, are you old enough to remember when Britain was wiping out it's entire industrial base, they called it the British Disease, so are you telling me the British Motorcycle Industry was unaffected at the time by the British Disease.
@@alexwilsonpottery3733 Ha Ha, no I didn't describe Britain as 1st world, only 1st world overheads, I know Britain is a failed state, a shithole using Trumps words.
1:19 When they "brought" the Norton brand ?
Yep.. another Brexit win 😂 my god I’m soooo tired of all our winning …. Let’s keep winning lads…. In Boris we trust. Or was it Cummings… oh maybe truss noooo it’s definitely corbyn or was it starmer … anyway sunlit uplands here weeeee come
Tired old theme. Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. So just another Corbyn type bore...? If you read the figures on motorcycle sales all over the world, the large capacity models are slumping. 400s etc doing well. Triumph seem to be weathering the storm well. With production in UK, Thailand and India. Still a UK owned business, and of course popular in EU countries. So sort of makes your Brexit comment a bit lame.