Absolutely phenomenal. I honestly doubted the “4:30” move with the club head because it seems like you are casting but the smash factor that occurs is truly transformational. This guy is the real deal. Incredible video Zach. Thank you so much!
I fully understood the first and second parts of this swing training. However, the third was unclear what initiated the third step. Whether it was the arms, hands or turning of the body torso. Intuitively, it is the body turn that initiates the third step. The body turn drives the arms and hands around into a great hitting position. This is such a great very simple swing sequence. Thanks for studying this in great detail and passing it on to your students like me.
Best golf video on UA-cam. For any doubters out there, I discovered this move through that Justin Rose clip which Zack shows here. That was around 4 months ago, since when I’ve knocked 6 shots off my handicap. It’s transformational. And it really forces you to turn properly through the ball because if you don’t, you end up dumping your club into the ground about half a mile behind the ball! Thanks, Zack
Hey Zach - I watch a ton of golf instruction videos and try all the "moves" but something just clicked with this "push away / drop arms" downswing move. I absolutely starting hitting some super pure shots into my practice net, shots like I've never hit before. The swing was smooth, and felt really effortless for the first time, and I've been working hard for years to develop a decent swing. I hope this breakthrough continues to deliver. Thanks so much!
Totally blew away what I thought lag was, and Sergio was to me the ultimate lagger. I expect great thing from watching this and letting it seep into my approach to the swing.
Thank you Mr. Allen, for this great video. You have another great video, where you teach the feeling of dropping the club using a plastic bottle in the pocket of the right hip. I used that video many times. The mechanics and feelings I got using that drill it is very similar are the one described in this video.
Thank you Zach for another great video explaining the nuances of how a great swing should look and feel. I really like the little note at about 14:00 on how the lead shoulder should stay below my back shoulder during the swing. I know at some point at and after impact it will have to elevate higher, but having the awareness of making sure it doesn't initially pop up will definitely help me to make more solid contact.
Hi Zach. I tried this move today; it worked right out of the gate and I played my best round in quite a while. I find the move easy to execute and to repeat consistently. At first, It seemed to me that the release was going to be to early but I was quite surprised that it wasn’t and it worked great. This is the best tip yet for me. Keep them coming. Thanks. Ralph G.
Wow! Back in the beginning, the left knee/leg turn (pivot) was , what I felt, an incredible innovation. This looks equally astounding! Can’t wait to try it! Thanx Zak!
Zach, this is great, basically to get the club to the lower plane (shallow), instead of hitting from the top, the right elbow has to unfold and wrist unhinge (the opposite of what they did on the backswing)? Thank you for the explanation.
Fantastic ZAG! My ugly (powder depleting) hip thrust just became an aggressive (head steady) big muscel,body turn into a powerful impact. Permission to hit it hard (under control). Awesome lesson Zack...Thank you so much!
Great content and video, I too actively work on "throwing my angles" (as a golfer who over hinges and works the wrists) and its difficult to explain to other golfers what it is Im actually doing and trying to feel. The debate insues, so I just avoid sharing
I’m a member of ball striking blueprint. You helped me massively to shallow the club 5 yrs ago, but this explanation has rehashed my memory of what I am supposed to be doing. Every time I start to lose it, I come back to your lesson’s. Sorry I ever doubted you! Thanks Zach!
Zach: This is a great video; really like that clockface 4:30 description and the video feed you had of Bryson with the guy in the green shirt. One question: as you feel that club dropping off behind you in that 4:30 direction, are you consciously doing anything with the lead wrist/clubface? Do you flexion that wrist and start shutting down the face in conjunction with that dropping the club back to 4:30? I've always struggled with the sequence of feeling when that clubface should start closing. I've seen pictures of Hogan and Mo Norman when they are doing some exaggeration feels similar to what you are illustrating in this video -- they apparently used to have the face wide open in their transition "feels" (for certain not "real") with the scoring lines pointing to the sky back there in the transition. Is this idea of when the face should start closing to be a subjective thing? And do you have a preference. Looking forward to incorporating this 4:30 throw feel into my practice session (if not my preshot feels)
Very perceptive, they usually do have the face wide open. I think for the regular folks, who aren’t extremely gifted and practicing everyday, it would be better to line that clubface up as soon as possible.
Great video, makes sense and just been quickly practicing this in the living room 😀- seems to help me from stop being so stuck and blocking. Will try this out at the range and see how it goes. Enjoy following your videos 👍
@@ZachAllenGolf Yes, I agree. I used this today, and at first wasn't releasing the angle enough, but finally figured it out. It works of course with the rotation and seemed very consistent with good strikes. I initially had a lot of pulls and big hooks, and I think that came from opening too early. Of course, I figured that out much too late in the round. Thank you for this insight into the downswing. I really think this is a keeper.
This is great and just tried it out for 20mins. At one point in a back swing do you drop the arms like that? I can do it at full and 3/4 swings pretty well, but when I try it a shaft parallel to the ground in the back swing with a 56 wedge my arms really don't lift (only wrists are set). So it feels awkward to get the right feel of dropping the club when my turn is so slight and so close to impact position. Hope I'm explaining this correctly.
One of the most powerful images you mentioned in another video was to feel as if you have a quiver on your back and you are pulling an arrow out of it. I think this would work here
@@ZachAllenGolf Completely agree with Martin's comment. The quiver/arrow video for me was the absolute best tip I've seen that helped me get the feel of the initial shallowing at the end of transition / beginning of the ds. Once I practiced the "pulling the arrow move" with my trail arm into slow practice swings, everything else that you talk about in this video and others fell into place without having to think too much. Just some feedback on how helpful that idea was.
love the video but must be doing something wrong because i feel alot of tension in my left shoulder (pressing against chest) the moment i let the club 'fall' behind me. right?
Once you get it you get it is all I can say to people struggling to find this. You have done a good job explaining this, but interpretation is so subjective that finding a feel like this can be difficult. The reward though will be ease of consistency and power.
If you have a proper weight load and coil in the backswing, won't you automatically shallow and lag the club when you start the downswing by rotating the hips and legs causing the shoulders and upper body to tilt away from the target?
Dear Zach, I like your videos and the exact explanations and therefore I'm very surprised by two of your new advices: 1. you show the shaft in a horizontal position far behind and on the right side of your body. The videos of the pros show the typical situation, that the grip of the horizontal shaft ist in front of the right leg. That's where the hands become slower, but the clubhead gets an additional acceleration as far as I understood up to now. 2. you give the advice that there is a big difference in using a wedge instead of a longer iron. The only difference I can see ist the angle of the plane, but the swing stays the same, doesn't it? best regards from Germany Klaus
I got across this lesson, and Zach for the 1st time, early this week. Next day I played as usual with my buddies just trying to copy this drill withput having practiced it before: Instant change in my swing! Of cpurse some lousy ones, too. But in general better, straighter, and even some draws (I have never had any in 20 years of golfing). 2 days later, same thing, but shots even better. Some draws even with driver, and, longer than even in summer (yesterday it was around 2-3°C). Again, bad shots occuring as well! But all this without any practice, at lousy weather conditions. I cannot believe it! I still do not trust this because it's so unreal.
Great video, thanks. I have one question. When starting your downswing do you want your lower body to start first and getting your weight left. You seem to have a big squat, is that the result of letting your wrists unhinging from the top or is intentional first move. Thanks again for your great videos.
It would be great to see the "twirl"/shallowing move in slo-mo with the leading-edge rectangle on the grip and with your lead wrist image displayed on screen.
Zach, the part that I don't get is when you are at the top and you push out. If my left arm is straight, how can I push out with my arms? The only way to push out is to move the hands away from my shoulders. My hands are the only thing I can push with, right?
Big fan- Love your work Zach The comments from Sergio and Justin Rose seem anti- Mac O'Grady whose teaching I know you respect Are you advocating an an active pull down of arms from P-4- using hands from top ? Doesn't sound right Eager to read your response Thank You
When I try shallowing the club in practice, my club seems to be meeting the ball at the hosel, not the face. I can't seem to get my wrists and forearms to pronate and square the club face.
Zach, I've got ballstriking blueprint. All of your videos are pure class. The idea of thinking of shallowing -- of getting into that position -- as a means of keeping the body balanced is superb and very useful. I have a question: one problem I have is I lack that "snapping the whip" action some big hitters get. I've tried this move on the range today and I liked it, but it feels as if I can't get any of that wrist snap that way. How to get the wrist snap? (One of the better hitters on the range months ago told me that getting into a good delivery position is all fine and good, but you still have to crack that whip. He described it as the right hand pushing down toward the ground while the left hand feels like it's pulling up and away.) Any thoughts on how wrist snap works with this move?
There is no wrist snap. The power is driven by you body rotation and you hands and club following through. The snap should be not with the wrists but with your hips turning, rotating through with power.
@@prime_overwatch4013 any video you can recommend on this subject? There is a release of the club head and ,whether following or initiating, there i rapid movement of the hands at that moment
A new and different way to envision how to shallow the club. Some distinct reverse engineering on a very important subject. That can be difficult to understand.
Absolutely phenomenal. I honestly doubted the “4:30” move with the club head because it seems like you are casting but the smash factor that occurs is truly transformational. This guy is the real deal. Incredible video Zach. Thank you so much!
This is the most important break through I've made in over 30 years. Zach has explained how to drop the club!
I fully understood the first and second parts of this swing training. However, the third was unclear what initiated the third step. Whether it was the arms, hands or turning of the body torso. Intuitively, it is the body turn that initiates the third step. The body turn drives the arms and hands around into a great hitting position. This is such a great very simple swing sequence. Thanks for studying this in great detail and passing it on to your students like me.
Best golf video on UA-cam. For any doubters out there, I discovered this move through that Justin Rose clip which Zack shows here. That was around 4 months ago, since when I’ve knocked 6 shots off my handicap. It’s transformational. And it really forces you to turn properly through the ball because if you don’t, you end up dumping your club into the ground about half a mile behind the ball! Thanks, Zack
This is a movie I have never done so thank you for taking the time to post it as I am struggling at the moment with my down swing.
A very clear explanation not only about lag but more importantly the hand and arns position on downswing. Thanks Allen.
Wow. Finally. I’ve been to so many coaches attempting to figure this out. Do you do video lessons?
THIS VIDEO IS THE BEST EXPLANATION ON HOW TO GET THAT INSIDE OUT SWING!!!! I LOVE YOU MAN!
Finally a concise, easy to understand explanation of club path-excellent coaching, thank you !
Extremely valuable video, explains so vividly how to hit from the inside.
Hey Zach - I watch a ton of golf instruction videos and try all the "moves" but something just clicked with this "push away / drop arms" downswing move. I absolutely starting hitting some super pure shots into my practice net, shots like I've never hit before. The swing was smooth, and felt really effortless for the first time, and I've been working hard for years to develop a decent swing. I hope this breakthrough continues to deliver. Thanks so much!
Totally blew away what I thought lag was, and Sergio was to me the ultimate lagger. I expect great thing from watching this and letting it seep into my approach to the swing.
It is funny to watch them explain what they actually feel. We normally just look at there great swings and assume it feels like it looks.
Thank you Mr. Allen, for this great video. You have another great video, where you teach the feeling of dropping the club using a plastic bottle in the pocket of the right hip. I used that video many times. The mechanics and feelings I got using that drill it is very similar are the one described in this video.
Feels like casting a fishing line but backwards opposite the target! Great video Zach.
Does seem like a cast but in the inside - certainly will experiment with it on the range
Your UA-cam videos are very helpful
Once again awesome simple Instructions, keep up the great work
Thanks appreciate the compliment
Excellent instruction.
Thank you brother.
You never stop helping me !! This vidieo transformed my game !! Thanks man
Thank you Zach for another great video explaining the nuances of how a great swing should look and feel. I really like the little note at about 14:00 on how the lead shoulder should stay below my back shoulder during the swing. I know at some point at and after impact it will have to elevate higher, but having the awareness of making sure it doesn't initially pop up will definitely help me to make more solid contact.
Thanks for sharing Zach ... my favorite shallowing video you made is the cricket player shallowing! This video reinforces the concept...
from the vid i realize that shallowing is but a must-be passive out-shining of the stacked torso down sliding. thx, zach! ur vid simply rocks!
I found your videos helping me the most. ESP the right arm vids. Huge improvement in the past 2 weeks!
wow.. I wish I could get some private lessons from you. You make perfect sense to me
Hi Zach. I tried this move today; it worked right out of the gate and I played my best round in quite a while. I find the move easy to execute and to repeat consistently. At first, It seemed to me that the release was going to be to early but I was quite surprised that it wasn’t and it worked great. This is the best tip yet for me. Keep them coming. Thanks. Ralph G.
beautiful lesson...and so easy to fold that trail elbow close on the downswing without thinking
Wow! Back in the beginning, the left knee/leg turn (pivot) was , what I felt, an incredible innovation. This looks equally astounding! Can’t wait to try it! Thanx Zak!
Great explanation!
Another great video and explanation
Zach, this is great, basically to get the club to the lower plane (shallow), instead of hitting from the top, the right elbow has to unfold and wrist unhinge (the opposite of what they did on the backswing)? Thank you for the explanation.
Think this may be exactly what need! Will find out soon... I hope!
Fantastic ZAG! My ugly (powder depleting) hip thrust just became an aggressive (head steady) big muscel,body turn into a powerful impact. Permission to hit it hard (under control). Awesome lesson Zack...Thank you so much!
This is absolute gold! Thank you!
Great content and video, I too actively work on "throwing my angles" (as a golfer who over hinges and works the wrists) and its difficult to explain to other golfers what it is Im actually doing and trying to feel. The debate insues, so I just avoid sharing
I’m a member of ball striking blueprint. You helped me massively to shallow the club 5 yrs ago, but this explanation has rehashed my memory of what I am supposed to be doing. Every time I start to lose it, I come back to your lesson’s. Sorry I ever doubted you! Thanks Zach!
It’s always good to have a little refresher. It’s definitely something I need to revisit periodically.
The way you explain how that's not a cast was the big difference maker!
Zach: This is a great video; really like that clockface 4:30 description and the video feed you had of Bryson with the guy in the green shirt. One question: as you feel that club dropping off behind you in that 4:30 direction, are you consciously doing anything with the lead wrist/clubface? Do you flexion that wrist and start shutting down the face in conjunction with that dropping the club back to 4:30? I've always struggled with the sequence of feeling when that clubface should start closing. I've seen pictures of Hogan and Mo Norman when they are doing some exaggeration feels similar to what you are illustrating in this video -- they apparently used to have the face wide open in their transition "feels" (for certain not "real") with the scoring lines pointing to the sky back there in the transition. Is this idea of when the face should start closing to be a subjective thing? And do you have a preference. Looking forward to incorporating this 4:30 throw feel into my practice session (if not my preshot feels)
Very perceptive, they usually do have the face wide open. I think for the regular folks, who aren’t extremely gifted and practicing everyday, it would be better to line that clubface up as soon as possible.
So good. Excellent instruction.
Pure gold!
Best Video what I ever saw, Klasse
Can you throw the angles by pushing your right thumb against the shaft?
Great video, makes sense and just been quickly practicing this in the living room 😀- seems to help me from stop being so stuck and blocking. Will try this out at the range and see how it goes. Enjoy following your videos 👍
this video is gold
Do you squat some as you down to the ball..
Monte Scheinblum has a similar drill he calls no turn-cast which in reality is neither but produces similar feeling. to what you describe.
Zach’s lessons resonate with me better than Monte, but he’s definitely helped a lot of people….
I have both training aids. There are multiple factors that influence shallowing. Its very difficult thing to do.
Thanks!
Is shallowing just for longer irons? Or for all irons 5 to wedges?
Zach do feel like you release the club or the feeling I get Is the club releases itself around impact without trying.
Are you feeling these things in the handle or left arm, especially the ulnar deviation of the left wrist?
Most of it is felt in the left wrist unhinging.
@@ZachAllenGolf Yes, I agree. I used this today, and at first wasn't releasing the angle enough, but finally figured it out. It works of course with the rotation and seemed very consistent with good strikes. I initially had a lot of pulls and big hooks, and I think that came from opening too early. Of course, I figured that out much too late in the round. Thank you for this insight into the downswing. I really think this is a keeper.
This is great and just tried it out for 20mins. At one point in a back swing do you drop the arms like that? I can do it at full and 3/4 swings pretty well, but when I try it a shaft parallel to the ground in the back swing with a 56 wedge my arms really don't lift (only wrists are set). So it feels awkward to get the right feel of dropping the club when my turn is so slight and so close to impact position. Hope I'm explaining this correctly.
One of the most powerful images you mentioned in another video was to feel as if you have a quiver on your back and you are pulling an arrow out of it. I think this would work here
Definitely some similarities. Good memory.
@@ZachAllenGolf Completely agree with Martin's comment. The quiver/arrow video for me was the absolute best tip I've seen that helped me get the feel of the initial shallowing at the end of transition / beginning of the ds. Once I practiced the "pulling the arrow move" with my trail arm into slow practice swings, everything else that you talk about in this video and others fell into place without having to think too much. Just some feedback on how helpful that idea was.
@@edhubbard2033 Where can I view the quiver arrow video?
love the video but must be doing something wrong because i feel alot of tension in my left shoulder (pressing against chest) the moment i let the club 'fall' behind me. right?
Bradley Hughes 4:30 method
Once you get it you get it is all I can say to people struggling to find this. You have done a good job explaining this, but interpretation is so subjective that finding a feel like this can be difficult. The reward though will be ease of consistency and power.
Exactly, this is a different way to view this really important part of the swing. This has really helped some of my students break thru.
Is this similar to Peter Croker "A to B" golf swing?
If you have a proper weight load and coil in the backswing, won't you automatically shallow and lag the club when you start the downswing by rotating the hips and legs causing the shoulders and upper body to tilt away from the target?
Dear Zach,
I like your videos and the exact explanations and therefore I'm very surprised by two of your new advices:
1. you show the shaft in a horizontal position far behind and on the right side of your body. The videos of the pros show the typical situation, that the grip of the horizontal shaft ist in front of the right leg. That's where the hands become slower, but the clubhead gets an additional acceleration as far as I understood up to now.
2. you give the advice that there is a big difference in using a wedge instead of a longer iron. The only difference I can see ist the angle of the plane, but the swing stays the same, doesn't it?
best regards from Germany
Klaus
I got across this lesson, and Zach for the 1st time, early this week. Next day I played as usual with my buddies just trying to copy this drill withput having practiced it before: Instant change in my swing! Of cpurse some lousy ones, too. But in general better, straighter, and even some draws (I have never had any in 20 years of golfing).
2 days later, same thing, but shots even better. Some draws even with driver, and, longer than even in summer (yesterday it was around 2-3°C). Again, bad shots occuring as well!
But all this without any practice, at lousy weather conditions. I cannot believe it!
I still do not trust this because it's so unreal.
Great video, thanks. I have one question. When starting your downswing do you want your lower body to start first and getting your weight left. You seem to have a big squat, is that the result of letting your wrists unhinging from the top or is intentional first move. Thanks again for your great videos.
Good question. I have the same query. What is the answer?
I don’t understand how you sync this move with Harvey Penick’s Magic Move
Thanks, Paul in Dallas
There is some conflict in the two feels.
It would be great to see the "twirl"/shallowing move in slo-mo with the leading-edge rectangle on the grip and with your lead wrist image displayed on screen.
Zach, the part that I don't get is when you are at the top and you push out. If my left arm is straight, how can I push out with my arms? The only way to push out is to move the hands away from my shoulders. My hands are the only thing I can push with, right?
You have complicated the heck out of the golf swing and contradicted what you have taught before, good luck!
Mind blown
Big fan- Love your work Zach The comments from Sergio and Justin Rose seem anti- Mac O'Grady whose teaching I know you respect Are you advocating an an active pull down of arms from P-4- using hands from top ? Doesn't sound right Eager to read your response Thank You
Are you releasing at the top?
Top man
*I just tried these moves and now I'm driving the ball 475 yds! I got 3 hole in ones today!*
Sound like Kim Jong Un
When I try shallowing the club in practice, my club seems to be meeting the ball at the hosel, not the face. I can't seem to get my wrists and forearms to pronate and square the club face.
Might want to make sure your body is turning enough coming into impact. If the body is tilting, that too can lead to hosels.
Zach, I've got ballstriking blueprint. All of your videos are pure class. The idea of thinking of shallowing -- of getting into that position -- as a means of keeping the body balanced is superb and very useful. I have a question: one problem I have is I lack that "snapping the whip" action some big hitters get. I've tried this move on the range today and I liked it, but it feels as if I can't get any of that wrist snap that way. How to get the wrist snap? (One of the better hitters on the range months ago told me that getting into a good delivery position is all fine and good, but you still have to crack that whip. He described it as the right hand pushing down toward the ground while the left hand feels like it's pulling up and away.) Any thoughts on how wrist snap works with this move?
There is no wrist snap. The power is driven by you body rotation and you hands and club following through. The snap should be not with the wrists but with your hips turning, rotating through with power.
@@prime_overwatch4013 any video you can recommend on this subject? There is a release of the club head and ,whether following or initiating, there i rapid movement of the hands at that moment
very good but dos,ent turning the body complete the swing...( I was always told to put your thumb in your right ear)
Hips lead downswing. B.Hogan .
It's hard to push out when your lead arm is straight on the back swing
Does this remain your approach to shallowing?
Hi Zach, I like to send your training videos to my son, when I get his email addy. Can I do that? I was wondering if you have an Asian mix in you? EdA
A new and different way to envision how to shallow the club. Some distinct reverse engineering on a very important subject. That can be difficult to understand.
"Throw from the top." Mike Austin
Do squat some as you come into the ball.
Generally love your videos but this is very complicated
not to rotate until the club head below the hand? right?
Excuse me - this is rather confusing. Why don't we think of throwing a flat stone skipping a lake...
Tooo complicated, next please
That depends on what grip you got Theo is it 🤷♂️⛳️🏌🏿♂️