European military doctrine of the time was very much focused on magazine retention. This is why WW2 era Russian Tokarevs had lanyard loops on both the gun and the mags. One of the reasons, I heard, that the Makarov incorporated a heel release was because there was a perception that conscript troops liked to push buttons too much and would lose their magazines.
A lot of sources claim it was during intense fighting when going prone and etc that the button would get pressed and drop the magazine during a combat scenario as well as having a poorly trained army that would increase the risk. However, I have a Zastava M57 Tokarev pistol, and I tried that method in the original holster, and frankly I could never get it to happen. So I think it may have been an exaggerated issue by the Soviets at the time, but either way they werent wrong about the advantages of a heel release design for what they stated were the reasons.
Well, from the beginning I always had weapons with heel release (SIG 210, 220 and 225). Especially in the army, we had three magazines with 9 shots each and contributed a pack of ammunition (24 shots) in the combat backpack. Magazines were never thrown on the ground, as we still needed them and we had no space for more pistol magazines, as we also have an assault rifle, three spare magazines, spare ammunition for the assault rifle, medical supplies, explosives, antitank missiles, food, clothes ...... dragged along. It was not important to change the pistol magazines in a fraction of a second, but the magazine always stayed where we needed it. And as always in life, with a little training you change the magazines very fast even with an heel release.
Quite insightful. I especially like how you include the fact that many pistols of that era were badges of rank and when used, were unlikely to be used in a way that required multiple reloads.
During my last repetition course (in ze Swiss Army) this topic came up too and we took it the test. (Using a heel-release P220 and a push-button P228. We figured out that a decently skilled shooter doesn't reload that much slower with a heel-release gun that it will matter in combat, especially as the pistol is a backup weapon and you're not supposed to fire 6 mags in rapid succession. This also explains why the somewhat obsolete P220 (single-stack heel release) is still beeing used, it does the job good enough. Although it's end is near, the "combat" Troops (Grenadiers and Special Forces are switching to Glock 17's now).
Even some of the modern guns cannot get the thumb release correct... I pocket carried an LC9 for a year in a Remora holster and it got to the point that the act of holstering and unholstering it would release the mag.
I don't have an issue with any type of Magazine Release and can use any of them. Carried a Walther P38 for years and never had a problem with it's heel release.
I actually prefer the heel magazine release I think it's much more important that the magazine is 100% secured, than it has the possibility to fall out but I can change it really quick. I've been lucky to never lose a magazine but quite a few times I've come back from riding on a quad or dirt bike and had the magazine popped out a bit, never had that happen with a heel release. I've also had the magazine pop out on pocket pistols carried in the pocket a number of times. I don't know if it's true but I remember reading many years ago that the ATF won't let their agents carry guns with magazines safeties because the magazine could pop out and fall out and then the gun would be inoperable even though they would still have one shot in the chamber.
Well the ATF is retarded so I wouldn't use them as a source. They once took a bunch of air soft guns because they supposedly could be modified to become real guns.
I highly dislike magazine safeties for the fact that sometimes you're going to fight with someone before taking a shot. The magazine can fall out during the scuffle and all you might need is that one shot to save your life. With a mag safety you're SOL. Might as well throw the damn thing at their face at that point(not really).
I've also heard the reasoning behind the heel release is that it promotes the practice of retaining the empty magazine. Some militaries didn't have the funds to keep replacing magazines.
Thanks for the video, another primary reason why they had "Heel - Mag - Release" was to not drop the magazine in the deep snow and loose it. This was the thinking behind the " Heel - Mag - Release" design, especially if you look at pistol from that era like the Walther P38 / P1 series of pistols. which is arguably one of the finest 9mm combat pistols of that time.The Beretta Mod 1934, while technically a pocket pistol is another fine example of this design.
interesting and informative and instructive to deploy older designs properly. I have a Grendel P without an external magazine, it is internal like a Mauser C96 or Styer 1911. Supposedly an advantage is that there is not the possibility of a magazine pop out from ankle or pocket carry positions and the 10+1 capacity was considered sufficient for any defensive encounter.
Good info! I was wondering if the fact the earlier automatics WWI era, often hastily made guns weren’t always compatible w/ other magazines of the same model. Thanks for posting this!👍🏼
That actually makes a lot of sense. My Ruger mark 2 is one of my favorite range toys and easy on the wallet to dump ammo thru but the mags are a real pain in the butt.
If the heel release is hiding inside the grip, I have issues with it; if it stands proud of the magazine, it's very easy to use. But my favorite is that paddle release...
Hand and thumb structure makes a big difference with the button as well. I have to shift my grip to reach the mag button on just about every 'modern' pistol I have, including my 1911s. The release on my CZ75 and BHP is easily reached, though. I apparently have stumpy thumbs.
Like that Mauser HSc, had one of the 1 of 5000 in .380. I never had a problem with a heel release since I started shooting the Ruger MKII pistols 40 years ago. Enjoyed the video !! Thanks
I really like heel release guns and I have several SIG's and one H&K with that type of release. There is just something that rubs me the wrong way about ejecting an essential part of a pistol onto the ground where it can get stepped on and damaged or filled with sand or dirt. Even with side release guns I still prefer to perform a tactical reload even if the magazine is empty. All magazines, whether partially full or empty, go into my pocket after being ejected from the gun. I do the same with rifles as well.
+Drift King they just don't have a place anymore, as stated, mags are so cheap that damaging them is no longer a issue when you can carry 10 of them without major issue, the heel release is just a hang up now.
John Ski nobody thinks that's gonna happen. There are a few people who are prepared for a situation like that anyway, don't know why that's considered by you to be a bad thing...
Might as well be. Honestly when the time comes I'm not using my 92S because of that release at the bottom of the grip. If you're defending your life who cares about a dented mag (which they probably wont anyway). I prefer the speed
Great video. My grandpa's old Saturday night special has a heel mag release and I was wondering why would anyone design a gun that was harder to release the magazine.
"Pre recreational pharmaceuticals" - hehehe... I'll admit I like the heel magazine release. Yep, I'm not going to be doing quick reloads with my Luger or 1910 Mauser. :)
Early p220’s had the European heal magazine release. Funny thing is they were first imported by browning and called the BDM. Walther P38’s had heel magazine release as well. The 1911 was originally designed as a cavalry sidearm and it needed to be able to be used with one hand.
I hope Bloke..... pops up on more channels. He reminds me a lot of Ian from Forgotten Weapons. Quietly spoken, knowledgeable and intelligent. More of these guys and less of the adverts masquerading as a 'review'.
I do prefer a modern mag release, but I never just drop them on the floor; and I love my Beretta 92S with a heel release. That all being said modern mag release by your thumb is a tactical advantage in any situation a civilian is likely to find themselves in.
I like heel releases...unless I'm using the handgun in a serious capacity. It isn't a huge difference, as I've gotten used to the heel releases over the years, but I'm still better with a pushbutton. Then again, I'm hardly the most 'tactical' person, as I've spent a lot of time practicing to load revolvers as quickly as possible. Beautiful handgun selection, Bloke!
i always assumed the heel release was used because to reload you have to pull out the mag making it harder to drop and lose, also because it was easier to make than a push button
It's simple, but (as you pointed out) does not take into account the modern propensity for spraying bullets everywhere. People used to manage with six rounds in a revolver after all. Shot placement is all.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the original 1911 (original design) had a heal release. They changed to push button as the US Military requested it.
Other than its sheer unreliability, and the smooth therefore easily engageable safety, this is the biggest problem I have with the Jennings Bryco 58/59.
Pretty spot on this time. Much of WWI European semiauto sidearms had heel releases not cause they were "rank badges", or armies didn't think enough about functionality, but because, after having climbed out of a trench, crawled under the barbed wire, jumped into a bomb crater, run through the no-man's-land and finally reached the enemy trench, when the officer finally drew the pistol with an enemy soldier charging him, THAT MAGAZINE HAD TO STILL BE THERE 100%, cause those first seven or eight shots were the most important of the entire action.
A century of automatic pistols, and more than fifty years of high capacity magazines, have gotten us used to the idea that you might want or need to lay down a lot of fire from your weapon, and therefore a speed reload is essential. Sometimes that true, and for a military or law enforcement pistol today, I'd argue that speed reloads are essential. But realistically, for civilian concealed carry, there's probably little to no need for it, and you'd be just fine with a heel release. The vast majority of civilian shootings involve only a few shots fired, and speed reloads don't enter into it. (All things being equal, I'd still very much prefer a push button release -- it's indisputably faster, and you just MAY be one of the rare cases where more rounds are needed, so why not have speed reload capability? But that said, if i had a gun with a heel release as a civilian, I wouldn't be feeling sorry for myself.) The heel release was preferred by most 20th century European armies because they considered it essential to retain magazines, and a push button release more easily leaves magazines dropped on the ground and discarded. And given how little pistols are generally used in combat, that's not an unrealistic consideration. Strange as it may seem to us today, pistols were not only considered secondary, but speed of reloading was almost an afterthought. Even in the US, during the 19th century, the Schofield revolver failed to supplant the Colt Single Action Army as the U.S. army's issue sidearm, because it's chief advantage -- a faster reload -- wasn't considered that important. The Colt's greater simplicity and durability were deemed far more significant. And in an era when a cavalry trooper might be issued no more than 12 rounds for his pistol before any given action, and frequently wouldn't fire all of them off during said action, it's hard to argue with that logic.
I don’t see a huge issue with it to be honest, I’m a huge fan of the HK/Walther paddle magazine release so maybe that’s why. I just not a huge fan of the standard push button design as I feel it can be activated on accident easier than a paddle release
TheVideoMaker15 that may be, but if it's sufficiently unlikely to be activated by accident do we really need to make it any less likely? Modern pistols have the button's size, location, and spring weight fine-tuned and balanced such that using a quality holster will prevent the release from being inadvertently activated.
Michael Carnes I dunno, I'm kinda with the OP on this one. Having a truly ambidextrous release, that requires a minimal, but conscious, effort from the user, is kind of nice. I had often found myself wishing that my subcompact Sig had one, instead of a button, and I have often wondered if a retrofit would be possible, as it would be, for me, infinitely preferable. different strokes, and all that, but a paddle release and true ambi controls on a 1911a1 would give me a reason to start actively shopping for one, instead of just lightly admiring them and shrugging at the lack of correct-handed layout.
When the lever mechanism is outside the gun and visible it took you a full half hour to figure out you needed to move the latch out of the way to drop the magazine?
i don't know how, but when I played airsoft with P08 or P38 in modern holster, I always lost magazine from P38 quite often(I compared the magazine releases and it was comparable to normal firearm).
Many semi-automatics of the that era had magazine disconnectors so if you lost the mag the gun was useless so making it a more deliberate process to remove the mag seemed logical. Modern combat competition with handguns have made the button release more popular since speed of reloading has become more critical but loss of a mag has become more of a risk. Either type has it's advantages.
I've got a question: my magazine in my Tokarev keeps falling out while I'm shooting. I also have another Tokarev that I keep having to tighten the mag release as it gets loose after only one magazine being fired. Any thoughts?
I admit, being TFBtv, I was expecting yet another "dumb design" video. I'm pleasantly surprised at seeing the reasoning presented with some historical accuracy!
I actually prefer the new Walther mag release with the paddle. Give the rapid reloading of the push button but very hard to accidentally drop the magazine
Hm something that I've heard was also that a heal release is easier to manufacture right as in it gives enough support to the magazine through it's inherit design rather than the catch your release with a push button. Heard that in the context of the Tokarev and the overall poor mass manufacturing quality. Is that true or is ther anything about that?
Hey mike, what about the Beretta 51 and 92s? They have a button at the heal. It makes sense, I can't afford to Fuck up my mags. I'm poor as dirt and I can't be dropping my mags that are hard to find and easy to damage. the one time I had a screwed up mag, I bent the lips till they worked. Anywho.... Thanx for the video, cheers
Titanium Rain the 1911 was created because Morro tribesmen would get loaded up on “pharmaceuticals” and take 6 rounds from our brand new smokeless 38 Colt double action revolver, and continue to fight. Black jack Pershing brought back the 1873 model p, in .45 Long colt and added the model 1897 Winchester (12 ga OO or OOO buck shot) to solve the problem.
European military doctrine of the time was very much focused on magazine retention. This is why WW2 era Russian Tokarevs had lanyard loops on both the gun and the mags. One of the reasons, I heard, that the Makarov incorporated a heel release was because there was a perception that conscript troops liked to push buttons too much and would lose their magazines.
A lot of sources claim it was during intense fighting when going prone and etc that the button would get pressed and drop the magazine during a combat scenario as well as having a poorly trained army that would increase the risk.
However, I have a Zastava M57 Tokarev pistol, and I tried that method in the original holster, and frankly I could never get it to happen. So I think it may have been an exaggerated issue by the Soviets at the time, but either way they werent wrong about the advantages of a heel release design for what they stated were the reasons.
Thank you, I often wondered why the pistols and magazines had lanyard loops.
Well, from the beginning I always had weapons with heel release (SIG 210, 220 and 225). Especially in the army, we had three magazines with 9 shots each and contributed a pack of ammunition (24 shots) in the combat backpack. Magazines were never thrown on the ground, as we still needed them and we had no space for more pistol magazines, as we also have an assault rifle, three spare magazines, spare ammunition for the assault rifle, medical supplies, explosives, antitank missiles, food, clothes ...... dragged along. It was not important to change the pistol magazines in a fraction of a second, but the magazine always stayed where we needed it. And as always in life, with a little training you change the magazines very fast even with an heel release.
I'm curious, which nation's army were you apart of?
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Swiss Army (1986 - 2002)
Quite insightful. I especially like how you include the fact that many pistols of that era were badges of rank and when used, were unlikely to be used in a way that required multiple reloads.
I always enjoy British people explaining shit to me
Jonathan Lee in that case, check out lindybeige.
Jonathan Lee and matt easton
And Tom Scott (Even though he aims more for science and generally interesting stuff than history, wars and weapons).
Jonathan Lee..I thought they wasn't allowed to have guns in Britain?
He’s from Switzerland
During my last repetition course (in ze Swiss Army) this topic came up too and we took it the test. (Using a heel-release P220 and a push-button P228.
We figured out that a decently skilled shooter doesn't reload that much slower with a heel-release gun that it will matter in combat, especially as the pistol is a backup weapon and you're not supposed to fire 6 mags in rapid succession. This also explains why the somewhat obsolete P220 (single-stack heel release) is still beeing used, it does the job good enough.
Although it's end is near, the "combat" Troops (Grenadiers and Special Forces are switching to Glock 17's now).
Hey Mike, you look a lot like that "Bloke on the Range" fellow. ;)
Bryan Schmidt. Kinda sounds like him too
I was actually wondering for a moment wether it really was him or not.
This isn't bloke on the range?
I have an old (1960's) Ruger standard .22 auto pistol with a heel magazine release. It is as easy to use for left as it is for right handed people.
The SIG P-210 heel mag release is especially curious as the pistol is derived from the earlier French 1935A, which has the push button release...
Very true about push button magazine releases. My HK P7M8 magazine did eject more often than the PSP while carrying concealed.
Even some of the modern guns cannot get the thumb release correct... I pocket carried an LC9 for a year in a Remora holster and it got to the point that the act of holstering and unholstering it would release the mag.
I don't have an issue with any type of Magazine Release and can use any of them. Carried a Walther P38 for years and never had a problem with it's heel release.
I actually prefer the heel magazine release I think it's much more important that the magazine is 100% secured, than it has the possibility to fall out but I can change it really quick. I've been lucky to never lose a magazine but quite a few times I've come back from riding on a quad or dirt bike and had the magazine popped out a bit, never had that happen with a heel release. I've also had the magazine pop out on pocket pistols carried in the pocket a number of times. I don't know if it's true but I remember reading many years ago that the ATF won't let their agents carry guns with magazines safeties because the magazine could pop out and fall out and then the gun would be inoperable even though they would still have one shot in the chamber.
Well the ATF is retarded so I wouldn't use them as a source. They once took a bunch of air soft guns because they supposedly could be modified to become real guns.
I highly dislike magazine safeties for the fact that sometimes you're going to fight with someone before taking a shot. The magazine can fall out during the scuffle and all you might need is that one shot to save your life. With a mag safety you're SOL. Might as well throw the damn thing at their face at that point(not really).
I've also heard the reasoning behind the heel release is that it promotes the practice of retaining the empty magazine. Some militaries didn't have the funds to keep replacing magazines.
Some old surplus European Beretta 92's came into the US a few years ago and they look just like a US version, but the mag release is on the heel.
Thanks for the video, another primary reason why they had "Heel - Mag - Release" was to not drop the magazine in the deep snow and loose it. This was the thinking behind the " Heel - Mag - Release" design, especially if you look at pistol from that era like the Walther P38 / P1 series of pistols. which is arguably one of the finest 9mm combat pistols of that time.The Beretta Mod 1934, while technically a pocket pistol is another fine example of this design.
interesting and informative and instructive to deploy older designs properly. I have a Grendel P without an external magazine, it is internal like a Mauser C96 or Styer 1911. Supposedly an advantage is that there is not the possibility of a magazine pop out from ankle or pocket carry positions and the 10+1 capacity was considered sufficient for any defensive encounter.
Good info! I was wondering if the fact the earlier automatics WWI era, often hastily made guns weren’t always compatible w/ other magazines of the same model. Thanks for posting this!👍🏼
That actually makes a lot of sense. My Ruger mark 2 is one of my favorite range toys and easy on the wallet to dump ammo thru but the mags are a real pain in the butt.
If the heel release is hiding inside the grip, I have issues with it; if it stands proud of the magazine, it's very easy to use. But my favorite is that paddle release...
HK Paddle release = best release.
(Also, as a leftie, I'd rather have a heel release than a stiff side button)
Bah! Walther paddle release kicks their ass all day every day and makes 'em cook 'em omelets in the morning.
Hand and thumb structure makes a big difference with the button as well. I have to shift my grip to reach the mag button on just about every 'modern' pistol I have, including my 1911s. The release on my CZ75 and BHP is easily reached, though. I apparently have stumpy thumbs.
I have a walther p 38 and the heel release is amazing on that its big and easy to push
Like that Mauser HSc, had one of the 1 of 5000 in .380. I never had a problem with a heel release since I started shooting the Ruger MKII pistols 40 years ago. Enjoyed the video !! Thanks
Two of my favorite pistols, the Ruger slab sided target model in .22 & the Sig P232, come equipped with the heel release.
Really enjoyed this video! Always wondered why there were heel releases on pistols after thumb releases had been a thing for a bit
I really like heel release guns and I have several SIG's and one H&K with that type of release. There is just something that rubs me the wrong way about ejecting an essential part of a pistol onto the ground where it can get stepped on and damaged or filled with sand or dirt. Even with side release guns I still prefer to perform a tactical reload even if the magazine is empty. All magazines, whether partially full or empty, go into my pocket after being ejected from the gun. I do the same with rifles as well.
Also magazine feed lips on older pistols tend to be more vulnerable to damage when dropped.
I guess you could also reload a heel release pistol while it is still in it's leather holster as an added benefit.
cokedaz I like it on my HK PSP. I don't like it on my SIG P210. Don't like it on my Mauser Hsc. Maybe why it lost out to the PPK?
I don't see throwing magazines in the mud as good thing.
No problem with heel mag releases.
Drift King BACK ON THE ROCKS
Drift King other than the fact that they are out dated and obsolete.
+Drift King they just don't have a place anymore, as stated, mags are so cheap that damaging them is no longer a issue when you can carry 10 of them without major issue, the heel release is just a hang up now.
Everyone thinks they'll be in a John Wick 2 museum shootout each day, lol.
John Ski nobody thinks that's gonna happen. There are a few people who are prepared for a situation like that anyway, don't know why that's considered by you to be a bad thing...
Interesting. Something I've wondered about from time to time.
The first Beretta 92 (S) where heel release as well.
forty4forty1 it wasn’t a heel release, the button was just located down towards the bottom of the grip, where the lanyard ring retaining pin is now.
Sorry, correct, thinking of it being at the bottom, and mixing it up, thanks for the correction.
Might as well be. Honestly when the time comes I'm not using my 92S because of that release at the bottom of the grip. If you're defending your life who cares about a dented mag (which they probably wont anyway). I prefer the speed
Great video. My grandpa's old Saturday night special has a heel mag release and I was wondering why would anyone design a gun that was harder to release the magazine.
"Pre recreational pharmaceuticals" - hehehe...
I'll admit I like the heel magazine release. Yep, I'm not going to be doing quick reloads with my Luger or 1910 Mauser. :)
Very nice video bloke, despite what people say about you, I think you and your videos are really well done. Keep up the good work
Early p220’s had the European heal magazine release. Funny thing is they were first imported by browning and called the BDM.
Walther P38’s had heel magazine release as well. The 1911 was originally designed as a cavalry sidearm and it needed to be able to be used with one hand.
The heel mounted magazine release makes a lot of sense for really small pocket semi-autos.
I hope Bloke..... pops up on more channels. He reminds me a lot of Ian from Forgotten Weapons. Quietly spoken, knowledgeable and intelligent. More of these guys and less of the adverts masquerading as a 'review'.
My P232 has a heel mag release. Probably one of last.
Next video please shave your head, pop out around a corner and say “Hey! TFBsauce, Michal here.”
Lmao Oh god. xD I can't unseen it!
Badass! Glad to see you on two channels now!
The Soviets even went back from push button (Tokarev) to heel release (Makarov)
I do prefer a modern mag release, but I never just drop them on the floor; and I love my Beretta 92S with a heel release. That all being said modern mag release by your thumb is a tactical advantage in any situation a civilian is likely to find themselves in.
I like heel releases...unless I'm using the handgun in a serious capacity. It isn't a huge difference, as I've gotten used to the heel releases over the years, but I'm still better with a pushbutton. Then again, I'm hardly the most 'tactical' person, as I've spent a lot of time practicing to load revolvers as quickly as possible. Beautiful handgun selection, Bloke!
Wait................
*This isn't Bloke on the Range*
Yes it is!
Stigstigster youre both correct. Hes just visiting this channel.
I have 2 pistols with the heel release: Ruger mark II and Walther model 4.
Phenomenally charming and brilliantly blokish. I want to see more of this chap.
enjoyable comments on matters infrequently mentioned.
Awesome insight into the heel release. Was wondering about this.
Well written and thought out video. Keep it up!
i always assumed the heel release was used because to reload you have to pull out the mag making it harder to drop and lose, also because it was easier to make than a push button
It's simple, but (as you pointed out) does not take into account the modern propensity for spraying bullets everywhere.
People used to manage with six rounds in a revolver after all. Shot placement is all.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the original 1911 (original design) had a heal release. They changed to push button as the US Military requested it.
Wow! Very informative. That makes a lot more sense for the era.
Other than its sheer unreliability, and the smooth therefore easily engageable safety, this is the biggest problem I have with the Jennings Bryco 58/59.
I've always wondered about this. Thanks for making this video.
THANK YOU! This needed an explanation for a long time.
Pretty spot on this time. Much of WWI European semiauto sidearms had heel releases not cause they were "rank badges", or armies didn't think enough about functionality, but because, after having climbed out of a trench, crawled under the barbed wire, jumped into a bomb crater, run through the no-man's-land and finally reached the enemy trench, when the officer finally drew the pistol with an enemy soldier charging him, THAT MAGAZINE HAD TO STILL BE THERE 100%, cause those first seven or eight shots were the most important of the entire action.
A century of automatic pistols, and more than fifty years of high capacity magazines, have gotten us used to the idea that you might want or need to lay down a lot of fire from your weapon, and therefore a speed reload is essential. Sometimes that true, and for a military or law enforcement pistol today, I'd argue that speed reloads are essential. But realistically, for civilian concealed carry, there's probably little to no need for it, and you'd be just fine with a heel release. The vast majority of civilian shootings involve only a few shots fired, and speed reloads don't enter into it. (All things being equal, I'd still very much prefer a push button release -- it's indisputably faster, and you just MAY be one of the rare cases where more rounds are needed, so why not have speed reload capability? But that said, if i had a gun with a heel release as a civilian, I wouldn't be feeling sorry for myself.) The heel release was preferred by most 20th century European armies because they considered it essential to retain magazines, and a push button release more easily leaves magazines dropped on the ground and discarded. And given how little pistols are generally used in combat, that's not an unrealistic consideration. Strange as it may seem to us today, pistols were not only considered secondary, but speed of reloading was almost an afterthought. Even in the US, during the 19th century, the Schofield revolver failed to supplant the Colt Single Action Army as the U.S. army's issue sidearm, because it's chief advantage -- a faster reload -- wasn't considered that important. The Colt's greater simplicity and durability were deemed far more significant. And in an era when a cavalry trooper might be issued no more than 12 rounds for his pistol before any given action, and frequently wouldn't fire all of them off during said action, it's hard to argue with that logic.
I'm not wearing any pants right now.
What if the guy in the video isn’t wearing pants? We’ll never know.
sequ3n now I can't concentrate on the video. Citation please.
Funny you should say That, me too
Wich color does they have, when your pants on?
+sequ3n my man! Same.
I don’t see a huge issue with it to be honest, I’m a huge fan of the HK/Walther paddle magazine release so maybe that’s why. I just not a huge fan of the standard push button design as I feel it can be activated on accident easier than a paddle release
TheVideoMaker15 that may be, but if it's sufficiently unlikely to be activated by accident do we really need to make it any less likely? Modern pistols have the button's size, location, and spring weight fine-tuned and balanced such that using a quality holster will prevent the release from being inadvertently activated.
Michael Carnes I dunno, I'm kinda with the OP on this one. Having a truly ambidextrous release, that requires a minimal, but conscious, effort from the user, is kind of nice. I had often found myself wishing that my subcompact Sig had one, instead of a button, and I have often wondered if a retrofit would be possible, as it would be, for me, infinitely preferable.
different strokes, and all that, but a paddle release and true ambi controls on a 1911a1 would give me a reason to start actively shopping for one, instead of just lightly admiring them and shrugging at the lack of correct-handed layout.
Nice collection sir. I've always lusted for a sig p210.
2 years ago i had a pistol with that small thing. I was 30 minutes trying to find out how to eject the magazine
When the lever mechanism is outside the gun and visible it took you a full half hour to figure out you needed to move the latch out of the way to drop the magazine?
Stigstigster i never used a gun before, it was one of my first times with a gunm
That makes more sense. I hope you found someone to teach you about firearms.
Stigstigster i found people. I love this sport
emaxx hidalgo firearms are a sport? Mkay
Thank you and brilliant explanation and I am envious of your job!
I want to see a 4th of July spectacular with this guy.
i don't know how, but when I played airsoft with P08 or P38 in modern holster, I always lost magazine from P38 quite often(I compared the magazine releases and it was comparable to normal firearm).
What previous video is he referring to when he talks about "recreational pharmaceuticals"?
Makes sense the mag release I dont understand at all is the type on the beretta 92f where it is a push button towards the bottom of the grip.
They actually did a good job of showing this in “Pan’s Labyrinth” , I.e the firefight in the forest part of the movie
"... particularly pokey ammunition..." lol, I can dig it.
Many semi-automatics of the that era had magazine disconnectors so if you lost the mag the gun was useless so making it a more deliberate process to remove the mag seemed logical. Modern combat competition with handguns have made the button release more popular since speed of reloading has become more critical but loss of a mag has become more of a risk. Either type has it's advantages.
Tokarevs side button release was deleted from future designs specifically due to accidental disconnects. Thus Makarovs heel disconnect.
I've got a question: my magazine in my Tokarev keeps falling out while I'm shooting. I also have another Tokarev that I keep having to tighten the mag release as it gets loose after only one magazine being fired. Any thoughts?
"One up the spout"
I love it
I admit, being TFBtv, I was expecting yet another "dumb design" video. I'm pleasantly surprised at seeing the reasoning presented with some historical accuracy!
My CZ 70 also has a near to impossible reach magazine release
Really nice Tokarev!
Lefthanders (like me) do not like pushbuttons - they're on the wrong side...
Love my 1973 P210-6.
What's the deal with the plastic cylinders that people use to prop up their firearms? What are they called and where do you get them?
I actually prefer the new Walther mag release with the paddle. Give the rapid reloading of the push button but very hard to accidentally drop the magazine
i think they look very cool though
Great explanation! Thanks
A voice of reason.
I'm almost legitimately surprised you don't have a 1911 on set.
There is a version of the sig p210 that have push magazine release. :)
zhabow The Legend and new American ones do have a push magazine release. I prefer it on that gun.
James should be the only dude making vids
This is somthing I've always wondered
My p08 1917 luger has a normal non heel button mag release
Hm something that I've heard was also that a heal release is easier to manufacture right as in it gives enough support to the magazine through it's inherit design rather than the catch your release with a push button. Heard that in the context of the Tokarev and the overall poor mass manufacturing quality. Is that true or is ther anything about that?
I totally hear Jerry Seinfeld : "What's the deal with....." HA!!
Anyone else notice that he used a swiss army knife as a stand for the Sig on the left?
Hey mike, what about the Beretta 51 and 92s? They have a button at the heal. It makes sense, I can't afford to Fuck up my mags. I'm poor as dirt and I can't be dropping my mags that are hard to find and easy to damage. the one time I had a screwed up mag, I bent the lips till they worked. Anywho.... Thanx for the video, cheers
The "pharmaceuticals" were straight up sold at pharmacies.
Late 1800's cough syrup was lit 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Titanium Rain the 1911 was created because Morro tribesmen would get loaded up on “pharmaceuticals” and take 6 rounds from our brand new smokeless 38 Colt double action revolver, and continue to fight.
Black jack Pershing brought back the 1873 model p, in .45 Long colt and added the model 1897 Winchester (12 ga OO or OOO buck shot) to solve the problem.
*is that a F13 Pocket knife by Swiss?*
Oh that tokarev is a nice looking one.
The only videos I find interesting on tfb
Interesting video.
Xclnt review. Spot on.
0:27 he slid the magazine back in like a badass!!
Is that a Radom P-64?
the mag release on my modern 1911 is quite stiff, can't imagine it being pressed accidentally any way i carry it.