Hey guys great video as usual! Hey not sure if you guys know this but to have your settings and image preview always be shown in the EVF - Go to the "Gear" menu, then Monitor/Display 1, then "Constant Preview" - turn that ON! Then you'll see your exposure in real time like you would on Sony. Hope that helps! Not sure why they have that off by default.
Panasonic has delivered an excellent FF first effort. Of course they learned a huge amount with their m43 line. Now we just need more lenses though they seem to have a good start with the Sigma portion of the L cabal.
Which one is fully compatible with ATG, Godox, Jinbei, Interfit, Orlit, Phottix, Profoto and Rollei TTL strobes? Anyone up here to able to take a pop at it, please share.
Guys, wrong info at 7:50. The Panasonic is not the first camera that shoots Video at 4k 60fps. The Fujifilm X-T3 came out in 2018 and does do that perfectly at 10bit.
Since S1R can shoot 6k I would like to ask: if I shoot video /picture without zooming with 6k and crop later, is the quality same as those non-6k shoot with zoom in 100mm or 200mm?
Hey everyone! We are so torn by this comparison! What are your thoughts? And let us know what you think about these models VS their little sibling models the Sony A7 iii and Panasonic S1, from last weeks comparison video.
Yes, in the images, the S1R popped the red. But, which camera shot closer to the actual red in her dress? Without post editing. Everything I shoot is outdoors and moving. Neither of these would really work for me. Plus, I'd have to buy all new glass, or a bunch of adapters. NOT happening. Attend an off-road and a drift event, for a motion/action test. Love to see you guys out there! I was planning on picking up a Canon 7D, once my van is paid off, but WHAT? Not thrilled with the rumor mills vision that the 7D's lifespan is coming to a close. Unless the replacement (90D?) shoots at a comparable frame rate. When a car is going by you at 100+mph, "spray and pray" can be your friend. I was looking at the 7D already, but after researching "best camera for action sports shooting" the 7D was in the top three of almost every "top 10" review. More that any other camera out there. And the reviews were, mostly, recent. So, the 7D wins. For me. My only other, not affordable, option would be get a 6K or 8K video camera and pull stills from that footage. This is MY opinion. Opinions are like poopshoots, everyone has one. :)
Are you sure there is a colour difference!?!?!? It seems to me like the Panasonic is half a stop underexposed vs the Sony. The shade of the red is just darker/lighter. The skintone also appears to be a case of exposure, notice the shadow areas in the eye socket and/or the nostril/chin. The Sony appears to be more accurately exposed (for portraiture purposes in this case).
The problem with your ISO comparison when comparing to their siblings was the siblings were better lit. So of course they'd have a much more favorable ISO results. Here's an example. Look at the left and right. The left is much better light. ua-cam.com/video/oDE2NHsXY9Y/v-deo.html
The Sony A7r Mark IV has just put Hasselblad, Fuji & Panasonic in to Chapter 11. While many Canon & Nikon users are trying to dumb their equipment & jumping to Sony or that Fuji GFX 100. While many beginners & amateurs are upset with Sony. Their A7r Mark III has plumped. Remember, buy a Sony is like buying a German car. The resale values are bad. Lucky for me, I get them free due to freelist for working pro.
Are the images you're comparing jpeg or RAW? If they're jpeg, you've introduced in-camera processing of the images. If they're RAW & you've post processed them, that's not an equal comparison either. Using unprocessed RAW files is about the only way to really do an apples to apples comparison. Interesting video nonetheless.
There is no such thing as unprocessed RAW. Any rendering, even default, introduces bias and taste. The only true comparison is to process either in LR or C1 and aim to equalize them. Only then can you see the differences. In truth most files from any camera can be made to be very similar. What distinguishes them from each other is noise and DR.
When wearing good quality headphones, the sound effect on the many of the wipe-type transitions gets to the point of punishing. My guess is you don't want your viewers starting to flinch at video transitions. Hopefully if you find it necessary to keep using them, you can reduce the audio level by about 80%. On a positive note, one thing I do enjoy about your reviews, is that you don't waste time getting to the image comparisons. For that, much appreciated. As for the cameras, for what the A7r III can be purchased for at certain times of year (below $2500) it looks quite good; unbeatable for the price. I just picked up an EOS R from an authorized Canon dealer for $1800 (and it's currently available for less grey market ) . Point is, price really comes into play, and while I'm really rooting for Panasonic's offerings, the cost of acquisition makes it a non-starter. They needed to pull an A7 III move to get in the game; i.e., over-deliver on the camera (which was pretty much accomplished) and then, release it at a price point that made jaws drop (as what happened with the A7 III). As for the EOS R, there was no way I was willing to pay $2300 when the A7 3 was available for hundreds less, and in some respects, was a better performer. It didn't take long for the street price on the R to plummet. Hopefully the street price of the S1 and S1r will fall in line with their Sony and Canon counterparts, and the market will reward Panasonic for their efforts.
Thank you for the thoughts on the cameras and for letting us know about the swipe sound effects in the video. We have made note of it and will do our best to make sure it doesn't continue. Really appreciate your input and addition and for adding to the conversation.
@@TheSlantedLens Definitely the Sony! I'm already part of the Eco System for professional work with an Rii - haven't jumped on the Riii yet. Although I am considering moving on with Olympus or Fuji within the next two years.
Neither of these is up to snuff for where we should be in the offerings. When Canon was on q roll with the 5D MK III, everything since seems to be a mediocre effort of strengths and weaknesses, Canon included.
@@walrusgumboot - Smash? I own the Sony A7r3, Nikon d850, Canon 5div, among others and you clearly do not know what you are saying in real-world application.
Yitzchal Levi we can agree to disagree, I owned 5DmkIII, 5DmkIV, A7Rii, A7iii, and now S1R, I do know what I’m saying. The Canon is worse in: * Resolution, image sharpness * Lowlight * Dynamic range * Stabilisation (and therefore ability to use even lower ISO’s) * Video functionality (no full sensor 4K, no 4K60p, in efficient codec and low res) * Touch screen and interface * No high res mode What’s the canon better at??? * More lenses available * Canon colors (I don’t by this anyway - it’s an excuse Canon shooters use to justify their purchase) * Battery life I’m glad I sold mine
The Lumix 'should' be better but it just isn't. They're late to market with an expensive and limited system so they needed to blow Sony out the water... Didn't happen. By the time the S1R has a decent lens line-up, Sony will be releasing the A7R4! I don't see how they ever catch up now. It's a shame because I love the S1R. Beautifully made camera.
Thanks so much for your thoughts Paul! Totally agree that they would have a lot of catching up to do, which is too bad cause we're really enjoying the S1R as well. Do you see yourself getting the A7R4 when it comes out?
@@TheSlantedLens I've worked with a S1 and it was an outstanding camera. I consider it superior to the A7III in so many ways. But I am only hoping that a A7RIII would be released by this time next year with a 5.7mp 120fps viewfinder, a 2.1mp LCD and improved buffer and dual high speed SD card slots. Only then would I go Sony. Otherwise I'll go elsewhere.
Paul Hancock the only area it doesn’t beat the Sony atm is AF IMO. This time next year there’ll be plenty of lenses. Product announcements seemed to have slowed down from Sony, I’d put money on no A7R4 for at least another year anyway.
@@walrusgumboot This is all a moot point. Panasonic are not competing with Sony. That ship sailed. They're fighting over the crumbs against Nikon and Canon. Global sales figures tell a sad story... The S1 might be marginally better than an A7 if you buy a camera based only on specs... But Sony are absolutely dominant, they have a cheaper system, vastly more lenses, more third party support. AND have just merged their imaging and smartphone departments, so have a massive advantage moving forward. If you're investing thousands in an established mirrorless system with future security, it's Sony. The only question is, can Panasonic tempt DSLR users to the S1R and not the Z7 or EOS R? If not, they're in trouble. I love Lumix and hope they survive in this market. I had a G9 before buying an A7RIII. Sadly, the S1R was just too late to market, offers no improvement in image quality while being too limited and expensive to tempt me back. It's a shame!
Paul Hancock I’d agree with you that Sony are absolutely dominant at the moment. I don’t think they offer the same thing, I owned a Sony and couldn’t stand it. Couldn’t get on with the ergonomics etc. You don’t have to have the highest market share to survive, or be the better camera though
This is certainly not a good review or a meaningful comparison. For starters, when you do a dynamic range test, and you admit upfront that the conditions are far from ideal (no harsh light or strong shadows), then why not wait for the conditions to improve, so that the test is meaningful rather than proceeding anyway? Overall, from the cringe opening to the pointless tests, you can certainly do better.
Not a pro review... a lot of subjective opinions. The S1, for example, appeared a bit "contrastier" because it was underexposed, certainly not because of sensor performance. On the other hand, where are the lenses for the Panny S1? So far there are close to 100 FE mount lenses made by Zeiss, Voightlander, Sony, etc., but nothing even close to that number on the Panasonic side.
Correct, that camera has excellent auto focus, fantastic low light, lots of resolution for still images, stunning in body stabilization. Come on dude. The bmpc4k is fantastic but your trolling the wrong video
You guys need to learn about cameras before doing such horrible comparisons and ridiculous statements. The colors on the Sony are closer to reality so don't let your personal bias confuse things. Also the Sony is cleaner in high iso while the Panasonic is always a bit under exposed Ala Fuji cheating but of course... you noticed that, right??if only youtube stopped recommending this channel....
Hey guys great video as usual! Hey not sure if you guys know this but to have your settings and image preview always be shown in the EVF - Go to the "Gear" menu, then Monitor/Display 1, then "Constant Preview" - turn that ON! Then you'll see your exposure in real time like you would on Sony. Hope that helps! Not sure why they have that off by default.
Panasonic has delivered an excellent FF first effort. Of course they learned a huge amount with their m43 line. Now we just need more lenses though they seem to have a good start with the Sigma portion of the L cabal.
Can anyone please tell me which camera is better for videos, either these two or the Nikon Z7 as well as a good lens for recording
Which one is fully compatible with ATG, Godox, Jinbei, Interfit, Orlit, Phottix, Profoto and Rollei TTL strobes?
Anyone up here to able to take a pop at it, please share.
which one is it that you take a shot, and then can change settins right away? I hate the Sony speed on that. Is the Pan better with memory handling?
Guys, wrong info at 7:50. The Panasonic is not the first camera that shoots Video at 4k 60fps. The Fujifilm X-T3 came out in 2018 and does do that perfectly at 10bit.
They said, "one of", not "the first". And the GH5 was doing 4k 60p in 2017.
A7r4 or lumix s1r can someone chooses for me？
A7r 4
Nice review. I think when it comes to color, the lens plays a part. I found Leica lenses go nicely with the Sony a7RIII. What do you guys think ?
Since S1R can shoot 6k I would like to ask: if I shoot video /picture without zooming with 6k and crop later, is the quality same as those non-6k shoot with zoom in 100mm or 200mm?
Because it is 6k you do have the ability to crop in and still maintain a 4k output. I hope that helps.
My understanding is that the VLOG update for the Panasonic will ONLY be available for the S1 and will not be available to the S1R.
That is my understanding as well.
For the stills with the Macbeth color chart in them, did you use the grey patch to white balance both or were both cameras using their own preset wb?
Hey everyone! We are so torn by this comparison! What are your thoughts?
And let us know what you think about these models VS their little sibling models the Sony A7 iii and Panasonic S1, from last weeks comparison video.
Yes, in the images, the S1R popped the red. But, which camera shot closer to the actual red in her dress? Without post editing.
Everything I shoot is outdoors and moving. Neither of these would really work for me. Plus, I'd have to buy all new glass, or a bunch of adapters. NOT happening.
Attend an off-road and a drift event, for a motion/action test. Love to see you guys out there!
I was planning on picking up a Canon 7D, once my van is paid off, but WHAT? Not thrilled with the rumor mills vision that the 7D's lifespan is coming to a close. Unless the replacement (90D?) shoots at a comparable frame rate. When a car is going by you at 100+mph, "spray and pray" can be your friend. I was looking at the 7D already, but after researching "best camera for action sports shooting" the 7D was in the top three of almost every "top 10" review. More that any other camera out there. And the reviews were, mostly, recent. So, the 7D wins. For me.
My only other, not affordable, option would be get a 6K or 8K video camera and pull stills from that footage.
This is MY opinion. Opinions are like poopshoots, everyone has one. :)
Next up: Panasonic S1H...!
I feel that the Panasonic S1R is the clear winner.
In Canada, there is an important difference in price between those two cameras... ($1800 CDN)!!!
Are you sure there is a colour difference!?!?!? It seems to me like the Panasonic is half a stop underexposed vs the Sony. The shade of the red is just darker/lighter. The skintone also appears to be a case of exposure, notice the shadow areas in the eye socket and/or the nostril/chin. The Sony appears to be more accurately exposed (for portraiture purposes in this case).
I really like your comparison ♥️♥️ please do a compare between Nikkon Z6 and Panasonic S1... please 🙏
We will try to get to that soon!
@@TheSlantedLens thanks
Worse comparison images..you guys cocked up so badly
The s1r colors are really good
Sepehr Hossein Nejadi totally agree!
love the enthusiasm in your videos
Noealz Photo thanks so much Noealz!
The diffrence in tests... omg... this is just picture profiles...
The problem with your ISO comparison when comparing to their siblings was the siblings were better lit. So of course they'd have a much more favorable ISO results. Here's an example. Look at the left and right. The left is much better light.
ua-cam.com/video/oDE2NHsXY9Y/v-deo.html
I still dream at nights of full frame Samsung NX2, what a monster that would have been, with IBIS and Samsung colour science, God.
Sounds like a nice dream!
I love the sound of 2 nerds really getting deep into a technical subject right in front of a really hot model.
LOL. Thanks for your sense of humor!
Hate to say, few if any of those images looked sharp out of both cameras, “so it’s not the arrows...........”
The Sony A7r Mark IV has just put Hasselblad, Fuji & Panasonic in to Chapter 11.
While many Canon & Nikon users are trying to dumb their equipment & jumping to Sony or that Fuji GFX 100.
While many beginners & amateurs are upset with Sony.
Their A7r Mark III has plumped.
Remember, buy a Sony is like buying a German car. The resale values are bad.
Lucky for me, I get them free due to freelist for working pro.
angelisone German cars has best resale value. Not sure what you on about...
Are the images you're comparing jpeg or RAW? If they're jpeg, you've introduced in-camera processing of the images. If they're RAW & you've post processed them, that's not an equal comparison either. Using unprocessed RAW files is about the only way to really do an apples to apples comparison. Interesting video nonetheless.
There is no such thing as unprocessed RAW. Any rendering, even default, introduces bias and taste. The only true comparison is to process either in LR or C1 and aim to equalize them. Only then can you see the differences. In truth most files from any camera can be made to be very similar. What distinguishes them from each other is noise and DR.
Jestem pod wrażeniem testu ! Pełny profesjonalizm. 👍👌 DZIĘKUJĘ !
Both amazing cameras for sure !
When wearing good quality headphones, the sound effect on the many of the wipe-type transitions gets to the point of punishing. My guess is you don't want your viewers starting to flinch at video transitions. Hopefully if you find it necessary to keep using them, you can reduce the audio level by about 80%. On a positive note, one thing I do enjoy about your reviews, is that you don't waste time getting to the image comparisons. For that, much appreciated. As for the cameras, for what the A7r III can be purchased for at certain times of year (below $2500) it looks quite good; unbeatable for the price. I just picked up an EOS R from an authorized Canon dealer for $1800 (and it's currently available for less grey market ) . Point is, price really comes into play, and while I'm really rooting for Panasonic's offerings, the cost of acquisition makes it a non-starter. They needed to pull an A7 III move to get in the game; i.e., over-deliver on the camera (which was pretty much accomplished) and then, release it at a price point that made jaws drop (as what happened with the A7 III). As for the EOS R, there was no way I was willing to pay $2300 when the A7 3 was available for hundreds less, and in some respects, was a better performer. It didn't take long for the street price on the R to plummet. Hopefully the street price of the S1 and S1r will fall in line with their Sony and Canon counterparts, and the market will reward Panasonic for their efforts.
Thank you for the thoughts on the cameras and for letting us know about the swipe sound effects in the video. We have made note of it and will do our best to make sure it doesn't continue. Really appreciate your input and addition and for adding to the conversation.
I like the flat profile of the Sony, but the skin tones of the Panasonic
Definitely pros and cons to each. Which one would you go for if you had to choose?
@@TheSlantedLens Definitely the Sony! I'm already part of the Eco System for professional work with an Rii - haven't jumped on the Riii yet. Although I am considering moving on with Olympus or Fuji within the next two years.
Is this a re-uploaded error! Oh R PowerPoint
Now I know why Sony has released their A7riv!
Neither of these is up to snuff for where we should be in the offerings. When Canon was on q roll with the 5D MK III, everything since seems to be a mediocre effort of strengths and weaknesses, Canon included.
What do you mean? What should these cameras be doing?
Both these cameras smash the 5Div
@@walrusgumboot - Smash? I own the Sony A7r3, Nikon d850, Canon 5div, among others and you clearly do not know what you are saying in real-world application.
Yitzchal Levi we can agree to disagree, I owned 5DmkIII, 5DmkIV, A7Rii, A7iii, and now S1R, I do know what I’m saying.
The Canon is worse in:
* Resolution, image sharpness
* Lowlight
* Dynamic range
* Stabilisation (and therefore ability to use even lower ISO’s)
* Video functionality (no full sensor 4K, no 4K60p, in efficient codec and low res)
* Touch screen and interface
* No high res mode
What’s the canon better at???
* More lenses available
* Canon colors (I don’t by this anyway - it’s an excuse Canon shooters use to justify their purchase)
* Battery life
I’m glad I sold mine
You do know the title spoils the "unboxnig", right?
Haha, true!
Jay p. Morgan? is it your real name?
Lessor learned: No High megapixel needed.
It just depends on what you are shooting and what your end goal is.
@@TheSlantedLens That's true, for me 24 MP are sufficient and it has several advantage for average user like me although.
Mamita!...that Planar 50 mm 1.4! :)
The Lumix 'should' be better but it just isn't. They're late to market with an expensive and limited system so they needed to blow Sony out the water... Didn't happen.
By the time the S1R has a decent lens line-up, Sony will be releasing the A7R4! I don't see how they ever catch up now.
It's a shame because I love the S1R. Beautifully made camera.
Thanks so much for your thoughts Paul!
Totally agree that they would have a lot of catching up to do, which is too bad cause we're really enjoying the S1R as well.
Do you see yourself getting the A7R4 when it comes out?
@@TheSlantedLens I've worked with a S1 and it was an outstanding camera. I consider it superior to the A7III in so many ways. But I am only hoping that a A7RIII would be released by this time next year with a 5.7mp 120fps viewfinder, a 2.1mp LCD and improved buffer and dual high speed SD card slots. Only then would I go Sony. Otherwise I'll go elsewhere.
Paul Hancock the only area it doesn’t beat the Sony atm is AF IMO.
This time next year there’ll be plenty of lenses.
Product announcements seemed to have slowed down from Sony, I’d put money on no A7R4 for at least another year anyway.
@@walrusgumboot
This is all a moot point. Panasonic are not competing with Sony. That ship sailed. They're fighting over the crumbs against Nikon and Canon. Global sales figures tell a sad story...
The S1 might be marginally better than an A7 if you buy a camera based only on specs... But Sony are absolutely dominant, they have a cheaper system, vastly more lenses, more third party support. AND have just merged their imaging and smartphone departments, so have a massive advantage moving forward.
If you're investing thousands in an established mirrorless system with future security, it's Sony.
The only question is, can Panasonic tempt DSLR users to the S1R and not the Z7 or EOS R? If not, they're in trouble.
I love Lumix and hope they survive in this market. I had a G9 before buying an A7RIII. Sadly, the S1R was just too late to market, offers no improvement in image quality while being too limited and expensive to tempt me back. It's a shame!
Paul Hancock I’d agree with you that Sony are absolutely dominant at the moment.
I don’t think they offer the same thing, I owned a Sony and couldn’t stand it. Couldn’t get on with the ergonomics etc.
You don’t have to have the highest market share to survive, or be the better camera though
This is certainly not a good review or a meaningful comparison. For starters, when you do a dynamic range test, and you admit upfront that the conditions are far from ideal (no harsh light or strong shadows), then why not wait for the conditions to improve, so that the test is meaningful rather than proceeding anyway? Overall, from the cringe opening to the pointless tests, you can certainly do better.
Appreciate your opinion. Thanks for watching!
Not a pro review... a lot of subjective opinions. The S1, for example, appeared a bit "contrastier" because it was underexposed, certainly not because of sensor performance. On the other hand, where are the lenses for the Panny S1? So far there are close to 100 FE mount lenses made by Zeiss, Voightlander, Sony, etc., but nothing even close to that number on the Panasonic side.
Any review is subjective you pleb.
Most of those Sony e mount lenses are absolute junk.
Is these pros doing reviews ? If so I wouldn't hire them , yikes please learn cameras and shooting first
Two minutes in and it's pathetic ... I'm outta here.
Yet you spent time commenting.
Trust me it does NOT get any better.. Just much much worst
@@Indy_at_the_beach Time was not the issue - it was the totally amateurish content.
Sony's highlight roll off is absolutely disgusting. The Panny is superb.
I sub for the beauties man.
Oof. You're really desperate.
I'm flattered!
funny entrance
Yeah, BM4k. Ok, done.
Correct, that camera has excellent auto focus, fantastic low light, lots of resolution for still images, stunning in body stabilization.
Come on dude. The bmpc4k is fantastic but your trolling the wrong video
J. T. Hahahaha, so true
Fuji and Olympus beat this two
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Not with Autofocus thats for sure, Sony A7x/A9/A1 and the latest Cannon are the leaders.
You guys need to learn about cameras before doing such horrible comparisons and ridiculous statements. The colors on the Sony are closer to reality so don't let your personal bias confuse things. Also the Sony is cleaner in high iso while the Panasonic is always a bit under exposed Ala Fuji cheating but of course... you noticed that, right??if only youtube stopped recommending this channel....
Not everybody strives for complete color accuracy. That was true when people shot film and that's true now.
Her skin looks bloody awful. Somebody needs to cleanse, prime & then start applying her biscuit crumbs.....
Something to think about for all of us.
The Panasonic is a brick. Way too large, way too heavy - and technically not a smidgen better than the Sony. Buy one, use it as a barbell.
I like a larger body. The Sony A7R3 is like a toy.
The evf in the Sony is not super clear?????? Go to a freakin eye doctor before making such stupid comments
You’re joking right? The Sony has the worst EVF of any mirrorless camera.
You may be happy with it, but it doesn’t beat any of the competitors
Panasonic EVFs are really nice
shaolin95
It's horrible and in no way compares to the S1's superior 5.76-million dot EVF.
another camera hack video fail.
So which camera do you prefer?
@@TheSlantedLens and so how much is my opinion worth here?