Carl Gustav Jung - "Face to Face" (BBC 1959/better quality!)
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2017
- John Freeman and his team filmed the interview at Jung's house at Küsnacht (near Zurich, Switzerland) in march 1959, it was broadcast in Great Britain on october 22, 1959. This film has undouptedly brought Jung to more people than any other piece of journalism and any of Jung's own writings. Freeman was deputy editor at the "New Statesman" at the time of the interview. They formed a friendship, that continued until Jung's death.
I can listen to this material 1.000 times... He just makes me feel so good!
Back in the day,when BBC made the best programmes..
Thanks for uploading this, it is a very interesting interview.
Enrichingly beautiful.
8:05 - I don't need to "believe", I know.
There's also a great audiobook, Jung's autobiography, Memories, Dreams & Reflections. The book written at the end of his life goes into more detail about the subjects Jung and Freeman talk about here.
The audiobook I listened to on UA-cam is very incomplete though. Bought the book, much better!
@@mrn95 30:38, 31:12 & 36:47 ...
Wow. His English was really wonderful.
Genius.
Interviewer: as the world becomes more technically efficient, it seems increasingly necessary for people to behave communally and collectively; do you think it is possible that the highest development of man maybe to submerge his own individuality into a collective consciousness?
CG Jung: That is hardly possible! I think there will be a reaction against such a communal dissociation; man does not stand forever, his nullification. We all seek and want to assure our own existence against a complete atomization into nothingness and into meaninglessness. Man cannot stand a meaningless life
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Listen @37.10
sehr sympathisch: bescheiden und klug.
Observation while watching this: He describes a dream by a patient that he thought was crazy - then the dream was detailed in papyrus in museum in France that had never been published. Jung says this hinted at the notion of archetypes in a universal psyche we are not conscious of. Ok, got that. The event also matches the description of a synchronicity - doesn't it? A proundkly meaningful coincednce with no rational possible cause ... If I was not aware of synchronicities at the time - I would conclude the man's dream was an archetype. So this experiences may not demonstrate the collective unconscious. What proves archetypes are real would be Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces and his Faces of God - 800 pages, three volumes of archetype emanations that cannot be denied or explained by synchronicity.
On point. Read the room. Gotta get up early. No flies on him.
These Geniuses (Einstein) is similar are so different from people who want to be thought of as Geniuses. They just want to get on with what interests them, and we are the amazed on lookers of such extraordinary kinds.
He believed he had contact with spirits, who influenced his theories. He was deeply into the occult and thought his home was haunted at one point.
In order to begin our individuation process we should try to integrate our thoughts, fantasies, complexes, fears, insecurities, desires, and aspirations, for in such a way our true self will flourish. Personally, I find traditional meditation (Buddhism) be suitable to reach so.
Listen up kids this is a serious question "Do you want to work for the Government?"
better version, but without subtitles:
ua-cam.com/video/2AMu-G51yTY/v-deo.html
Thank you!😀
Great music at the end. Credit??
84!?
Do we feel we will live on past the death of our body because we intuitively know that we will never experience our own death? Sounds logical - If I never experience my own death, that means I will not ever die. Irrational applications of reason. No animal ever experiences their own death. The bio-electro-chemical activity that supports consciousness as well as subconscious ceases - there is nothing to support the experience of death. You may see death coming in the moments before, but you won't experience it.
It's undeniable that our subsconcious can see the future. 70% of the population report De Ja Vu. I had a five minute De Ja Vu that cannot be denied - I used the information to make a decision that saved my life. So part of us can see through the wall of time - part of us is not limited to linear time - fact. Jung concludes this is why he does not know if there is an after this life - life for the individual. Jung also says death is sad. Eternal life is more than sad, it is a horror show....imagine living a million years - when does the bliss of doing fun stuff with loved ones become excruciating bordom? Death saves us from the inevitable horror of eternal life!!! Death is only sad for those who will miss you. Knowing there is no eternal life for me, motivated me to achieve eudaemonia before I die. Campbell says people don't care about meaning, people just want the experience of being alive. Jung says people want meaning - eudaemonia. They are both right: For me to fully experience being alive, I had to achieve eudaemonia. It's been a wonderful ride.
My wife asked me where I want to be buried. I told her, "surprise me."
If you are chuckling at Bob Hope's cute joke, that means you know intuitively, there is no eternal life after we die.
*_I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it._*
*_Only dead men can tell the truth in this world._*
~ Mark Twain
When I was six and attending Baptist Sunday school, my class was given a lecture on heaven and hell, death and the afterlife. When the lecture was over, I asked, *Is there free will in the afterlife?* Apparently no one else had ever asked this question. I was told that, _No, there is no free will in the afterlife because then good deeds could be done in hell, while bad deeds could be done in heaven. But all that is already sorted out before anyone dies, so there is no room for moral agency after one is dead._ So then I asked, *If I don’t take my body with me, and I don’t take my free will with me, why am I supposed to care about having an afterlife at all?* The reaction I got was very surprising at the time, and at 65 it is still surprising. In response, I was told, _Don’t ask such silly questions, and stop being a smartass._ That was the end of the discussion.
The following is from what I hope will be on my gravestone so as to provoke a thoughtful reaction from anyone passing by in happenstance. I offer it now as a thoughtful alternative to an afterlife of merely heaven, hell, purgatory, reincarnation, or the many other imagined possibilities.
*The Lake*
*_It is said by some that there is a place where a bright, clear, mountain lake resides, a place where people of this world never visit. To attempt to describe it is possible, but all such tales are probably just fancy. Be that as it may, here is how it was described to me, in my sleep, by the spring rain, when I was still very small and trusting. I was very certain at the time that the rain had not lied or exaggerated, but as I grew older I came to doubt. This would seem to be our way. How sad._*
*_The rain told me that the air at the lake was fresh and clean and yet so thin that I would faint were I to be there. This lake was in the midst of a forest of giant pine trees that appeared to reach forever to the skies above. In contemplating these trees one would wonder if this lake were not really just a small puddle on the forest floor. But as all bodies of water were the same to my singing spring rain, I imagine these distinctions had simply gone unnoticed._*
*_There was something most remarkable about this lake. For I was told that all the souls of all the men & women & little children like myself washed through this water. There seemed to be some hint that all of life had passed by and was passing by this oasis whose place could not be named. As each new life was made, a handful of water was removed from the lake and placed within a mortal body. Day by day the water would be made purer or filthier as that life spent it’s limited time in the world. When that life was done, the water that had been given to it was returned to the lake as its body was returned to dust._*
*_And such was how all the hope and travail of life would come to each new generation. Some would succeed more than it would seem they should and so returned to the lake the courage and celebration that they had made of their lives. Others learned the habit of fear and distrust in their lives when they were very young and so took very meanly of every opportunity as only a threat. They only returned water that was foul and putrid for what else did they ever know._*
*_And so I was told, that was how it was with me and everyone who ever had been, or was, or would be. Parts of me had passed through many lives and parts of me were utterly new and untried. Parts of me would live other lives again and others would be forever still when I was done. None of us was ever created entirely alone nor could we ever be, for like the air and water of this world, which we all communally use and of which our bodies are literally made, our souls are unique and yet all made of the same stuff. How many times would you have to draw water from a lake to draw the same handful? Or is it just a silly question? I don’t know. Somehow it just doesn’t seem to be a very important question now._*
*_What would be an important question anyway?_*
David, the imagery was beautiful. Quite long for a gravestone. I enjoyed reading.
@@anopinion3469 Thank you! I agree that as it stands now,.. it is probably too long. But I was trying to create an image of the afterlife that seemed, at least to me, believable and endurable for a literal eternity. God, I can be certain, is made for eternity,.. but I am certainly not! I have to wonder though,.. given I am autistic in this life,.. must I always be autistic in the afterlife then?!? Because, if so,.. I would just as soon not bother; and if not,.. then a non-autistic me would no longer be me then either.
@@davidhunt7427 I believe there is an entity that created the world, God, his spirit is breathed into this 3D world. I believe in angels/demons, all that... FROM YEARS on contemplation, testimony, etc. That said, we are given new bodies, one where our soul isn't controlled by our bodies. If you were autistic in the afterlife, it won't matter to you there; God, angels, Jesus, and the people would still love you, and some of the unique characteristics of autistic people may manifest more in heaven in those people who aren't on autistic on earth. There are many gifts autistic people have, the rest don't have. In many ways, that would be a great thing.
@@anopinion3469 Thank you for your thoughts! Somehow I missed your response from three months ago. The above is from a part of a larger comment that the UA-camCommentBots have taken to deleting as soon as I post it (why? I don't know. Do you?). Here is most of the rest of it.
Because I covet Righteousness much more than I covet Salvation, I have often asked myself if the following proposition were offered to me, should I accept it.
The proposition is that I agree to go to hell alone without even a tormentor for company, with no further possibility of achieving salvation, to be lost and forgotten by everyone, even by God; in exchange everyone else in hell achieves salvation. Even Satan and the one third of the angels that fell with him go back to God. Even the absolutely unrighteous get forgiven and go back to God. Notice that my question is not would I accept this proposition, but should I accept it. Would you? What do you think you should do if offered this choice. What would Jesus do, you think? I am asking, would you be willing to be the forgotten and neglected Christ who does not get to rise to Heaven or ever be praised for your sacrifice, but instead achieves salvation for everyone else, except yourself?
*_I have not served God from fear of hell for I should be a wretched hireling if I served Him from fear; nor from love of heaven for I should be a bad servant if I served for what is given; I have served Him only for love of Him and desire for Him._*
~ al-Hasan al-Basri (642-728)
I have made myself a prayer, which I have always kept in my heart and in my mind. *_Dear Lord, let it be your will that will direct my life. Not as I would choose, nor as any person would choose, nor as any religious text would choose, but as you, dear Lord, would choose for me. This being done, I am content._* I am now curious. Although I may dot my I’s and cross my T’s differently from you, in your own faith, do I sound like someone who would be damned for my honest trust and questions?
*_Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear._*
~ Thomas Jefferson
I believe that as a racist bigot must die to the person he has been when he hates, the unrighteous person must die to the person they have been before they can turn toward the one true God. Such a death is frightening because it requires one to abandon the only sense of identity one has ever had. It requires one to leap into an unknown stranger’s identity and to trust it will be better than what one has always known. For the fear of hell I could not do such a thing. I doubt many of us could. For the love of righteousness I can do such a thing easily. As naturally as a simple child loves and is loved by their parents.
I wrote much of the above originally back in 1986, and while my views have evolved somewhat, I still substantially agree with what I stated above. I've been told that my greatest, and most dangerous heresy, is that I like God,... more than I love God, or fear God, or hate God,... I like God. I feel comfortable about God in the same manner that I am comfortable with all of existence. And my most happy and most selfish desire is to give myself to righteousness for it is only by submitting myself to that which is greater than myself can I ever hope to find myself at all. But what is righteousness? Is it submission to authority? And which authority do we submit to? Is it always the same standard of value in all cases, or does right and wrong depend upon the context always? Does morality require supernaturalism in order to be perfectly grounded? The thought that a repentant Nazi (with *_Gott mit uns_* on his belt buckle) went to Heaven while Anne Frank is in Hell makes my soul shudder. I regard God not as a wishing well, or a means not to die, and especially not as a guarantee that others will spend an eternity in hell and damnation,... but as the perfect embodiment of righteousness, whatever that may mean. God is my sign, my landmark, my goal, my thirst for truth, value, and what is right for it's own sake and not merely instrumental in gaining some personal advantage. As all mathematics rely upon the existence of axioms, which are self-evidently true statements requiring no further effort to prove,... God is the necessary axiom from which every truth flows.
*_There is a high probability of damage if you encounter the divine, even in some positive sense._*
~ Jordan B. Peterson
*_Every bit of learning is a little death. Every bit of new information challenges a previous conception, forcing it to dissolve into chaos before it can be reborn as something better. Sometimes such deaths virtually destroy us._*
~ Jordan B. Peterson, _12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos_
*_The highest ideal that a person holds, consciously or unconsciously,... that's their God._*
~ Jordan B. Peterson
Thank you. This helped me a lot.
He knows he don't believe in god 😂😂😂
I know hee dont believe in so-called church god😂😅😅
I was disappointed that the interviewer did not ask Dr. Jung what his preferred pronoun was. So rude and thoughtless.
Also, as I listened to the conversation I could hear people farting and laughing in the background. Such disrespect for a great man.
How silly about a serious subject.