I just got this as a Mother's Day gift to myself! It's an amazing gun! They didn't have the SF in stock but the other is just my size! Thank you for the awesome comparison video!
@@sclegalcarry7979 Apparently Walther makes an adjustable competition trigger for the PPQ series that bypasses the drop safety to deliver a sublimely sensitive trigger with a light break, but there is some issue about importing it to the U.S. as designed. Liability issues or something.
Cable uses the polymer frame, and he hunts super powered beings with it. So yeah I’ll stick with the polymer. Also he is from the future, so he had the steel frame available to him. Another thing, he choose to duel carry the polymer framed Q5 instead of one and one. Case closed 🤨
I would lean toward the steel frame for competition, as several features give it some possible advantages. For range use or home defense, the polymer outdoor be more than adequate.
I shot with a guy that took 3rd in the USPSA in NC this weekend. He had the Q5 steel frame. It was so super fast in his hands and he had no issues that Q5 it was smoking hot all day.
I did some experimenting of my own and you can put the q5 match slide on your pdp full size lower and damn you have a really nice gun also works with the compact pdp frame I haven’t tried the f frame because I don’t own it
@@DrRosko I understand the cost for materials is higher. The point I was trying to make is it cost double the price of the polymer frame but it's not twice as better. The original q5 is a hell of a gun and probably the best competition pistol to come stock from a factory. Is the gun a little more higher quality? Yea, but not by much. Definitely not worth double the price.
I love my SF; it shoots real nice! Going back to a PPQ M2 is like a night and day difference. The recoil on the M2 is off the charts comparatively. I did order a steel guide rod from SSguiderods; so I’m hoping that helps out the little PPQ a bit
Hmmm I think it would sound better as Q-squared, but they’re your guns 😉 I think the steel version is worth it.....even more so if you are into competition shooting. Thanks for covering both Graham!
The stock SF grip is a bit larger than my PPQ 4" and hitting the mag release is a little slower for competitions. But there are 3rd party grips out now which you can tune (LOKgrips is what I'm trying now). Steel frame shoots a lot flatter and with a RMR my accuracy and times are way up.
The Blue Trigger is the best stock Trigger of any polymer gun in the market right now, the reset after firing is 1 millimeter or less resulting in highly accurate groups and fast firing for competition. Check out some more reviews on it :)
The major issue with the steel frame is it will eventually start to cut into your thumb joint because of the way the beaver tail is cut. Too bad this is the case it as its definitely a design flaw. This is why I sold my SF and bought the Polymer and have never looked back.
Interesting video, I have a IMI MR9 which is a clone of a early P99. I like it A LOT. I ALSO have a Grand Power X-Caliber which is also VERY NICE. I like it A LOT as well. Would like to find a indoor range that has both Walthes to rent so I can compare them against my other favorite pistols.🤔😁👍
The slides are interchangable, the barrel is not. It locks down on the frame differently. I have both guns and a regular PPQ. All nice guns but the steel frame is the best. I even bought the 5.5" threaded barrel for it.
I’d be happy with either, but I’ve got my eye on a steel frame with LOK grips, an Overwatch Precision TAC trigger and a Trijicon SRO. I want a Walther family in my collection, a Q5 Match SF and a PPS M2 to go along with my PPQ M2
Graham Baates I got the G43 when it first came out, and not two months later the PPS M2 came out, and I was kicking myself for not waiting. Fun fact, when I first got my PPQ, I asked Walther on their Facebook page if they could make an M2 version of the PPS with the same grip texture, palm swells, front cocking serrations, & push button mag release. About a year later they debuted the M2 at SHOT. I went back and my comment had been deleted....
Graham Baates I hear ya. Gonna be getting a SS guide rod to see if that will reduce felt recoil. I’ve got an X10 Elite to measure recoil. I was a LEO disabled in the line of duty, and started this channel to help disabled outdoorsmen (and women) find ways to get back outside and back to their passions.
Is that magwell on the SF version, removable ? As in, once the magwell on the "PRO" is removed, does it become a regular Q5 SF which can then accept the 15-round magazines ?
Because originally (before rails) that part of the frame was only to cover the gap between the muzzle and trigger guard to prevent debris from getting into the action.
Are the barrel and recoil spring in the SF interchangeable with the polymer frame? I'm asking because I see Walther is coming out with a threaded five inch barrel but they say it's for the SF.
Don't even need to watch this and I will anyway but for competition it's steel frame better everything balance recoil management the list goes on. In fact I'm hopeful other manufacturers get on this train glock and S&W need to come up with a steel framed pistol for competition that would be great. This pistol I'm willing to give it a try in replacing my competition guns. The price is right and the trigger is great right out of the box..
I never mention prices as they change and the video can not, plus commenting a price leads UA-cam to believe I'm trying to sell which is incorrect. If someone is seriously interested they should look up the price in their region at the time they are looking to buy. Several of the guns I have reviewed have fluctuated wildly in price since their respective videos came out. If your intent was to complain about the price difference you should look up the cost of squirting plastic into a mold versus CNC machining steel.
Im going to assume the $1400 price tag will come down, just as the original Q5 Match price did. Also, for those who dont like the blue trigger, if this gun is compatatible with the Apex PPQ trigger, then your problem is solved, the Apex trigger is excellent and comes in all black. I just dont know if its 100% compatable. Can anyone confirm?
It is compatible, but the blue trigger as funky as it looks is the best stock trigger there is on the market with its 1 or less millimeter reset resulting in tight groups and extremely fast shooting.
CZ Shadow is on another level, can't compare the CZ against a Walther, not even close. They're both great platform but in the competitive world, CZ is king!
I'm really not that impressed with the CZ Shadow 2. Cosmetically, it is superior to the SP 01, but the SP 01 has better ergonomics ( for me) and a crisper trigger. Overall, I don't feel it is worth nearly twice the price. The Walther q5 steel is interesting, but I doubt it is better than the CZ tactical sport.....
I would have gone with the CZ myself. That being said, I do own the Q5 M2, in polymer. ( And love it!) I think Walther missed the mark, with this SF series of pistols. They may have been better served, if they had done something like Colt did, & dusted off some of their older designs. Say something like the P-38. Just my 2 cents on the matter. Thanks for the content!
17 round mags same as standard ppq mags except for the base plate. Obviously would be double stack at this capacity because if it was single stack the mag would be like a foot long out the bottom of the gun.
Q5 Poly or Q5 SF (steel frame)?!?!? Neither! The Master Manufacture Q5 SF Black Tie or Patriot models come with the new Walther "Dynamic" trigger. This "Dynamic" trigger assembly is incredible. I own and regularly shoot a Pardini GT9 6", so I have a good idea what an exceptional handgun trigger should be. Glad I was able to provide the correct answer to this question.
The muzzle flip is more than a Glock but to me it's not a deal-breaker. In the end it's really just about your affinity with a certain gun. Though what I can tell you is that the steel frame version is a waste of money. Past a certain skill level, there will be no difference in split time and a lighter polymer frame would only give you advantage in draw speed and target transition.
Yeah, it's a little hard to swallow. At this price I wish the trigger was even crisper and lighter than the stock ppq even if it was just by a little bit. A lot of guns it's competing with have sub 3 lb triggers. This is full blown msrp though so hopefully if walther makes enough of these supply will go up and the price will come down.
This whole Steel frame 9mm trend is ridiculous. It's 9 millimeter! Widely considered the minimum for expandable self-defense ammunition. Shooting a 9 feels like a pellet gun next to a 357 mag. Let's just do this okay?! Let's just shoot the Kel Tec CP33 in IDPA. Better yet...let's ask Ruger to make a 30 round Mark IV. Full steel 22lr? That really gets rid of that pesky recoil.
I just got this as a Mother's Day gift to myself! It's an amazing gun! They didn't have the SF in stock but the other is just my size! Thank you for the awesome comparison video!
So you got the Q5 polymer version?
need that steel one in my life
I got to hold one and try the trigger at a match this weekend. Super trigger!!! Home Run.
I wish they would make one of those with the paddle style mag release.
@@sclegalcarry7979 Apparently Walther makes an adjustable competition trigger for the PPQ series that bypasses the drop safety to deliver a sublimely sensitive trigger with a light break, but there is some issue about importing it to the U.S. as designed. Liability issues or something.
Purchased one a couple of weeks ago. Love it. Red dot on today. Super accurate. Good vid.
@@davidolmsted6057 Which optic did you choose?
Cable uses the polymer frame, and he hunts super powered beings with it. So yeah I’ll stick with the polymer. Also he is from the future, so he had the steel frame available to him. Another thing, he choose to duel carry the polymer framed Q5 instead of one and one. Case closed 🤨
I would lean toward the steel frame for competition, as several features give it some possible advantages. For range use or home defense, the polymer outdoor be more than adequate.
I’ll take either one! Blue trigger and all! Ok both! I want both!
I shot with a guy that took 3rd in the USPSA in NC this weekend. He had the Q5 steel frame. It was so super fast in his hands and he had no issues that Q5 it was smoking hot all day.
Cz is also jumping on the all steel version of some of their light weight models. I think it's great. Bring back the steel ✊️.
Any link about this information?
Man that SF is definitely friggin awesome.
Grips on the steel frame look a lot nicer.
Overall the SF just has a more premium look & feel to it.
Good job on the comparisons.
Worth twice the cost in my opinion....and I haven't even fired it yet 🤷♂️
I did some experimenting of my own and you can put the q5 match slide on your pdp full size lower and damn you have a really nice gun also works with the compact pdp frame I haven’t tried the f frame because I don’t own it
Those both look awesome!
Man those are good looking guns! I’m on the fence about the SF though. Is it really worth it?
KSGunGuy if one can afford it, yes.
I have the polymer version and it's amazing. I can't see how the steel frame is worth almost double the price.
Ryan Jones just got it today. I could have purchased the SF. But I am happy with my choice.
@@ryanjones628 research metal work vs plastic production costs/methods. Then you will know why. Especially when building a match firearm.
@@DrRosko I understand the cost for materials is higher. The point I was trying to make is it cost double the price of the polymer frame but it's not twice as better. The original q5 is a hell of a gun and probably the best competition pistol to come stock from a factory. Is the gun a little more higher quality? Yea, but not by much. Definitely not worth double the price.
I love my SF; it shoots real nice! Going back to a PPQ M2 is like a night and day difference. The recoil on the M2 is off the charts comparatively. I did order a steel guide rod from SSguiderods; so I’m hoping that helps out the little PPQ a bit
Poly is Jolly, but Steel is Real
This my dream gun, I like the design of that polymer frame but that steel frame is more ideal imo. Either ways, I’m too broke for both of them.
Both. And preferably one of both for each hand. And a Shadow II for each hand.
Hmmm I think it would sound better as Q-squared, but they’re your guns 😉 I think the steel version is worth it.....even more so if you are into competition shooting. Thanks for covering both Graham!
id love the ppq q5 sf I purchased the weight distribution is awesome even firing recoils smooth
A steel framed, striker-fired, double stack 9mm. Win
Why didn't they use the PPQ grip for the steel frame, that alone is half the reason to have a PPQ.
I was concerned too, but the steel frame grip is even better imo.
The stock SF grip is a bit larger than my PPQ 4" and hitting the mag release is a little slower for competitions. But there are 3rd party grips out now which you can tune (LOKgrips is what I'm trying now). Steel frame shoots a lot flatter and with a RMR my accuracy and times are way up.
@@GBGuns Great to know because I like the Polymer grip.
Nice review. I have the polymer version but added a stainless steel guide rod which helps manage any recoil and muzzle flip.
Where did you find the guide rod?
@@analogman1496 I purchased it off of eBay so you might try there.
Good review! I LIKE the steel model, but the blue "toy" trigger hasta go!
The Blue Trigger is the best stock Trigger of any polymer gun in the market right now, the reset after firing is 1 millimeter or less resulting in highly accurate groups and fast firing for competition. Check out some more reviews on it :)
@@VargVikernes1349 I don't doubt it's an excellent trigger. The COLOR just cheapens the LOOK of the gun.
PPQ M2 owner here, drooling severely...
Looks great!!! Love my polymer one. Steel one looks better and I’m sure feels better!!
Thanks for the reply, very good comparison review.
The major issue with the steel frame is it will eventually start to cut into your thumb joint because of the way the beaver tail is cut. Too bad this is the case it as its definitely a design flaw. This is why I sold my SF and bought the Polymer and have never looked back.
Does the steel frame make the trigger feel different, even though the parts are the same?
Both really awesome. Are they the same price?
I'm very curious how it stacks against SIG X5 Expert, SIG P210 (American), and other hammer-fired benchmarks.
Interesting video, I have a IMI MR9 which is a clone of a early P99. I like it A LOT. I ALSO have a Grand Power X-Caliber which is also VERY NICE. I like it A LOT as well. Would like to find a indoor range that has both Walthes to rent so I can compare them against my other favorite pistols.🤔😁👍
Great comparison! Cant wait for the shooting portion of the comparison! Do accuracy testing on both. See which one you shoot better.
I have the Q5 not SF Wow thought would take same holster seeking a good comp.one after seeing your comparison 🤯 dont think would b same.
The slides are interchangable, the barrel is not. It locks down on the frame differently. I have both guns and a regular PPQ. All nice guns but the steel frame is the best. I even bought the 5.5" threaded barrel for it.
Nice breakdown 👍
I’d be happy with either, but I’ve got my eye on a steel frame with LOK grips, an Overwatch Precision TAC trigger and a Trijicon SRO. I want a Walther family in my collection, a Q5 Match SF and a PPS M2 to go along with my PPQ M2
The PPS M2 is an excellent single-stack
Graham Baates I got the G43 when it first came out, and not two months later the PPS M2 came out, and I was kicking myself for not waiting.
Fun fact, when I first got my PPQ, I asked Walther on their Facebook page if they could make an M2 version of the PPS with the same grip texture, palm swells, front cocking serrations, & push button mag release. About a year later they debuted the M2 at SHOT. I went back and my comment had been deleted....
The G43 is my least favorite single stack. Way too snappy
Graham Baates I hear ya. Gonna be getting a SS guide rod to see if that will reduce felt recoil. I’ve got an X10 Elite to measure recoil. I was a LEO disabled in the line of duty, and started this channel to help disabled outdoorsmen (and women) find ways to get back outside and back to their passions.
You probably answered this to another post, but what's the weight difference of the slides?
Is that magwell on the SF version, removable ? As in, once the magwell on the "PRO" is removed, does it become a regular Q5 SF which can then accept the 15-round magazines ?
Why is the rail on a handgun called a "dust cover"? What is it preventing dust from getting into? It seems silly to me.
Because originally (before rails) that part of the frame was only to cover the gap between the muzzle and trigger guard to prevent debris from getting into the action.
Is that a Burris Fastfire 3? I'm wondering if you needed to modify the optic or plate to fit it on the Q5? Thanks.
Are the barrel and recoil spring in the SF interchangeable with the polymer frame? I'm asking because I see Walther is coming out with a threaded five inch barrel but they say it's for the SF.
Nothing like more Beavertail!
"Q10"
Graham is a nerd: confirmed. 🤓
The SF makes the tupperware version look like a toy. Of course it is more expensive, but it is also a work of art with little are no depreciation.
The polymer version won't depreciate either, it's 1of the best guns on the market.
Steel one resembles the CZ Shadow to me. Not big on the notches but I’m old school and don’t like them when folks do the fancy ones on Glock’s
Don't even need to watch this and I will anyway but for competition it's steel frame better everything balance recoil management the list goes on. In fact I'm hopeful other manufacturers get on this train glock and S&W need to come up with a steel framed pistol for competition that would be great. This pistol I'm willing to give it a try in replacing my competition guns. The price is right and the trigger is great right out of the box..
If I were picking I would go with a steel :)
Did you mention the $1,000 price difference between the two guns?
I never mention prices as they change and the video can not, plus commenting a price leads UA-cam to believe I'm trying to sell which is incorrect. If someone is seriously interested they should look up the price in their region at the time they are looking to buy. Several of the guns I have reviewed have fluctuated wildly in price since their respective videos came out. If your intent was to complain about the price difference you should look up the cost of squirting plastic into a mold versus CNC machining steel.
Im going to assume the $1400 price tag will come down, just as the original Q5 Match price did. Also, for those who dont like the blue trigger, if this gun is compatatible with the Apex PPQ trigger, then your problem is solved, the Apex trigger is excellent and comes in all black. I just dont know if its 100% compatable. Can anyone confirm?
Why would anyone change the trigger?
It is compatible, but the blue trigger as funky as it looks is the best stock trigger there is on the market with its 1 or less millimeter reset resulting in tight groups and extremely fast shooting.
If you could only have one would be an interesting short.
Thanks for the video! :)
Basically it is like a BMW 550i and an M5.
Which one is the M5 then??? Lol
With better reliability.
We can't have ether in Kalifornia but I would have to go with the steel frame 😁. Looks too good.
Why not???
Move out I did last year. The fees, taxes, oppressive laws, shrinking job opportunities, awful schools, and rampant criminality will only get worse.
Jason Schmidt rampant criminality? So it looks like their gun laws/crime is working for them then.
At first, I thought they were making a polymer Audi. 😮
I am sorry, but I couldn't find in this video the range time and accuracy test targets. Thank you
Those are in separate videos. Search the channel page for "Walther"
Steel!!!! It's all about steel. 😁😁😁
that tang radius was really needed! 3:10
Are the grips one size fits all? Or can you get other sizes of the wrap around grips?
Now those look very racy and I like it.
Just wondering why it doesn’t use full length rail on this steel gram.
Would you buy this over a Shadow 2?
CZ Shadow is on another level, can't compare the CZ against a Walther, not even close. They're both great platform but in the competitive world, CZ is king!
I'm really not that impressed with the CZ Shadow 2.
Cosmetically, it is superior to the SP 01, but the SP 01 has better ergonomics ( for me) and a crisper trigger.
Overall, I don't feel it is worth nearly twice the price.
The Walther q5 steel is interesting, but I doubt it is better than the CZ tactical sport.....
Get both. I did and both are great.
Do the Taylor Freelance extensions fit in the steel frame magwell?
Q 5 match steel is a terrific pistol
Yea but so is the polymer filter almost half the price lol
Great assessment
Thanks!
I would have gone with the CZ myself. That being said, I do own the Q5 M2, in polymer. ( And love it!) I think Walther missed the mark, with this SF series of pistols. They may have been better served, if they had done something like Colt did, & dusted off some of their older designs. Say something like the P-38. Just my 2 cents on the matter. Thanks for the content!
Is there any way to change the slides with each other?
The magazines on the Walther Q5 steel frame pro! are double stack or single stack?
17 round mags same as standard ppq mags except for the base plate. Obviously would be double stack at this capacity because if it was single stack the mag would be like a foot long out the bottom of the gun.
Besides the weight, the biggest difference is the steel frame is almost twice the price.
Q5 Poly or Q5 SF (steel frame)?!?!?
Neither!
The Master Manufacture Q5 SF Black Tie or Patriot models come with the new Walther "Dynamic" trigger.
This "Dynamic" trigger assembly is incredible. I own and regularly shoot a Pardini GT9 6", so I have a good idea what an exceptional handgun trigger should be.
Glad I was able to provide the correct answer to this question.
Smith 5906 and 4006TSW both tell me go steel
I have the 4006 and agree with you
Do the mags work in both guns?
What's the price difference? I didn't hear you mention that, if you did or not?
AL KOSMO I paid about $850 for the polymer last year, I’ve heard the steel frame is around $1500.
"Holster wise question", do they share holsters?
That depends on the holster material and type. To be safe I'd get a different holster.
@@GBGuns thank you sir
Nice 👍
Thank you
The price difference is what I don’t understand. About $1000 is ridiculous!
How is the muzzle flip between the two? They only reason i sold my ppq because too much muzzle flip for a 9mm
Check out our slow motion comparison video
The muzzle flip is more than a Glock but to me it's not a deal-breaker. In the end it's really just about your affinity with a certain gun. Though what I can tell you is that the steel frame version is a waste of money. Past a certain skill level, there will be no difference in split time and a lighter polymer frame would only give you advantage in draw speed and target transition.
I would argue that the round doesn't detonate
steel frame is too expensive, $1400?
Yeah, it's a little hard to swallow. At this price I wish the trigger was even crisper and lighter than the stock ppq even if it was just by a little bit. A lot of guns it's competing with have sub 3 lb triggers. This is full blown msrp though so hopefully if walther makes enough of these supply will go up and the price will come down.
@@stevezatrine7747 apparently there will be spring kits released for it
This whole Steel frame 9mm trend is ridiculous. It's 9 millimeter! Widely considered the minimum for expandable self-defense ammunition. Shooting a 9 feels like a pellet gun next to a 357 mag.
Let's just do this okay?! Let's just shoot the Kel Tec CP33 in IDPA. Better yet...let's ask Ruger to make a 30 round Mark IV. Full steel 22lr? That really gets rid of that pesky recoil.
If you think there are no all steel heavy .22 lr you're sorely wrong
steel FTW :D
That, and $800.
Now if they do a Ppq in I'd be all over it
It is a PPQ, its a PPQ Q5 Match. Making this the superior PPQ model.
Would've been convenient if you weighed both with slide and magazine. ..fully assembled...thanks for great review nevertheless.
I don't waste my time or yours with specs that can be found on the manufacturer's websites
@@GBGuns is that why you wasted our time with what's in the box. ?
@@omikeyutube if you watch the little red line at the bottom of the screen you have the ability to skip past any section of a video.
@@GBGuns it's a wonderful feature of UA-cam isn't it
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Fuck this scam! Buy a Cz shadow instead!
You don`t even shoot.
We shoot quite often. Did you miss thee several videos in which we shoot these pistols?