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I LOVE that you guys started showing a range of laptop sizes that can fit in a bag with the 3D printed models! I use a 17 inch Razer so it is always hard to find reviews that show if a bag can fit it! Really great addition to the reviews!! Love Love Love! ❤
For travel packs, would you mind testing both a smaller and a larger laptop at the same time? I have to travel with both a work and personal laptop and it's hard to find any info for most bags on that usecase
Mentionning the lack of a false bottom is exactly the kind of detail I follow you for, this alone is enough to make this bag a deal breaker for me, your own bag seems a better choice for this form factor and design.
I pre ordered the sympl commuter pack and received it before I saw this review. And didnt really think about the false bottom issue. But I did just check mine and it 100% has a false bottom that’s about 3/4-1” off the bottom and is padded pretty good with foam under it too, so definitely no issues with any laptop damage
I’m fully sharing your opinion. Even some lack of attention to details that makes them imperfect is a potential deal breaker for me. For example, some brands make expandable backpacks while emphasizing steal protection or waterproofness. And then what’s the point of waterproofness if a rain can go through that expandable mesh and ur staff will be wet…
Would this be good for under the seat for planes? Also, if a bag is lacking a false bottom, I use part of a pool moodle cut to fit or foam rubber. I just make my own.
@markpuffer9615 it would probably be good for under the seat since it's relatively small. As for the false bottom, I wouldn't recommend making your own, you can, but it's way more janky than one that is built in.
You can never go wrong providing options. To the one who wants it- yaaay! To the one who doesn’t, no big deal just use what you want and leave the rest.
That top access tech pouch is a really good idea. Seems to be a lot of pros with this one, except the branding. I might have to use your link on this one. Thanks N.N.
I totally agree about keychain. Had the same thoughts before this video. Side access is better because you could just swing the backpack and take the keys. I have the weekender after your review (thanks!). And now can't wait when my commuter will arrive
I like the top access keychain, as side access key chains get in the way when throwing my hoodie or larger items in there. Always pulls out with my hoodie and scratches my hand when trying to get larger items in or out of the side access pocket.
The organisation in a backpack only really works if you can leave it there and always carry the backpack with you. I prefer a tech pouch and packing cubes as I can transfer to what ever sling, daily carry or travel bag or big haul duffle I am using. I use the Side-by-side pouch but would possibly go for the tech pouch from Alpaka if I couldn't get a replacement. Same idea but I can take out an put on the desktop anywhere I need it know exactly where my cable clutter is stored (less need for various USB plugs but still needing a separate cable for each device as two or four need charging at the same time). In one everyday three way carry backpack I inserted a 1" (25mm) square cross section dense foam strip the full length of the base of the laptop compartment. This never budges holds the laptop in place. This is so easy to do. Overtime the foam will decompose but just fit in another strip.
Hey Aaron. I know you're not a gamer, but I appreciate you adding a 17" laptop now to the reviews. A lot of gaming laptops these days are getting bigger than a 16" Macbook Pro. If that model (Dell XPS i7 9700) is correct the 14.74" for the width is definitely going to cover 99% of them now. At 9.77" depth, it maybe still won't get some of the deeper laptops that are 10.25", but it's close enough.
I love most things about this bag. Really well designed. I know this is purely subjective preference, but I do not like the coating on the exterior nylon. It gives it a shiny effect that just isn’t my thing. I’m also never outside or in rain with my EDC bag for any period of time, so that plays into it. If this thing was straight 840D with no coating, I’d be all over it. Great review as usual. Looking forward to following you guys on the Fyro journey as you tackle the next 2 offerings!
Not every bag has to appeal to everyone. Having a tech pouch there really is useful when you use it to go to the office. I would use that instead of my actual tech pouch which I take out of my bag and put on my desk. One thing I always wonder about is how to access these clamshell openings at your desk? I like it when the zipper goes a bit more back so the opening becomes more top loader. Like the evergoods mpl. I use a messenger/brief or toploader for that reason for the office.
Hey there Nomads Nation Team! I’ve recently been on a binge of your videos(so high quality) because I was looking to down size and upgrade from my 35L JanSport Big Student and this is the bag that I feel the best about. However, I was wondering if you guys had any tips on how I could/should carry my 16” MacBook Pro and 13” iPad Pro Safely inside the Bag. Thank you guys so much, I don’t think I would have cared this much if I wasn’t shown this wonderful world of backpacks from you! I really am truely surprised you don’t have greater following with how high quality you content is.
Welcome to the community! To be honest it's a GREAT laptop sleeve, just doesn't have the best false bottom. I'd recommend not slamming your backpack down on the ground, and if you want maybe get a very thin laptop sleeve to have an extra sense of protection, but maybe wait to get that unti you have the bag and you are sure laptop + sleeve can fit!!
Fantastic job with the review and all others! I finally purchased this bag but in Sympl x Pedal Mafia version (ultimately the same). There are additional design corks that irks me a bit. 1. The laptop department security latch gets in the way of my Asus Zenbook 15inch when inserting 2. The front zip pocket is not on the same side as the side bag handle (I can live with this one).
I have this bag now for a couple of weeks and I love it. Only the Airtag holder isnt that well done: the Airtag slips easy out. So I did a quick fix for this: i cut a small slice on the inner mesh of the Airtag pocket and put the Airtag then inside the pocket in between the meshes. Fixed it! Simpl should copy this 😉
Catching Swells...? on the Tube. A new one for us mate. Flat bottom girl you make the rocking world go around. Hence therefore "laptop sleeve". Another great presentation.
I like the top access pocket. Would appreciate it on the aer travel pack. There is extra space in the front lacking a pocket as the front pocket does not extend up pass the zipper. It would be great to have the organizational quick access pocket there.
Glad I watched this. There’s a Pedal Mafia collab for $229 that I’ve been debating to buy. I didn’t realize the regular one was a lot cheaper and probably will go on sale.
Great review as usual - continue to love the format and the content. Enjoy the b roll of past Aaron critiquing the comfort - it looks like more work to shoot but it adds depth to the review. The tech centric pouch and comparison with Aer is spot on- still, this is familiar to your bag in many ways. I don’t really care for much organization in my packs as I prefer more simplicity and rely on independent small pouches and try to reduce my wires and external drives and batteries to the bare minimum for the sake of sanity- sometimes having everything with you feels like taking my entire desk on the road which is not the point of a backpack and portability. I love how this size can force you to be more thoughtful about what you consider essential - would love to work my way down to using a 22 to 24 liter backpack for one bag travel for work and personal travel trips and as a daily driver to and from the office. Sadly with the gear I need for work, I use a 27 Liter.
The front pocket on the right side works perfect for me as I access my waterbottle and the front pocket from the same side. I prefer it on my waterbottle side vs my laptop side, as all of the items I’d use with my laptop are in the top quick access pocket.
I *really* liked the look & design elements of this bag when I first saw it online -- the sleek silhouette while still having an externally accessible water bottle pocket, the quick access zip pockets on the front in exactly the two orientations and locations I'd want, comfy looking straps and handles, and the full clamshell opening. I clicked the preorder on one, and have been very happy with it -- it is definitely a great looking EDC bag IMHO. The biggest downside I've found is that the built-in water bottle pocket is almost impossible to use if the bag is fully packed out. For example, SYMPL's packing cubes require the full width of the interior, making them incompatible with storing a water bottle in that pocket. OTOH, I did find that the clamshell style opening allowed this bag to pack out and hold more than my similarly sized half-zip EDC bag. Basically I was able to pack fairly thick (or deep?) throughout the bag, and then close the lid, press down, and zip it all closed nicely. In a bag that doesn't zip open completely that bottom half can be hard to pack into efficiently, or stuff down in to, whereas a clamshell can almost behave like a compression packing cube in this respect. And that exterior front pocket still has enough of it's own volume to hold a rain shell or light hoody. I expect I can use this 20L as an extended 4-day weekend travel bag no problem.
totally see what you are saying, but in their defense, there are so many backpacks that have this style of water bottle holder and they all eat into the main compartment... that's the whole design, it's literally in the main compartment. Great for looking sleek, not as great for maximizing capacity
Good point for sure. This is my first bag with such a compartment, and I loved the idea of the sleekness and wonderfully clean lines of this bag while still having external access to the water bottle. What I hadn’t thought about, and now have learned, is that when you pull the water bottle out to use it items inside the bag may shift making it difficult to get the bottle back in again in the “quick access” manner one might have hoped. But at the end of the day this design is still (to me) way better than no water bottle pocket, or an inside only pocket. No regrets - I totally dig this EDC bag!
@@PatonCavaney make your decision based on size because they are polar opposites. The Sympl is very small tight and sleek. The Aer CPP is very big bulky and has tons of capacity
I sorta liked the look of the old version more, but this one does match the rest of their lineup more. I think the admin accordion is cool. Seems like a lot for the top of the bag though.
not sure what version I have, but regardless the "false bottoms" of side access laptop sleeves are nowhere near as good as top loader laptop sleeve false bottoms
I noticed my laptop compartment has as a decent false bottom that is protecting my 16 inch MacBook Pro. I’m very happy with this one, comfortable for use in Manhattan. Also the hidden water bottle spot is good when you don’t want the nasties in public restrooms depositing on your water bottle.
was waiting for that review, and i just ordered it ! Gonna fight with my Black ember citadel 20L but the two quick access pocket, separate laptop compartment and water bottle compartment will win it for sure
After using it for about 10 days (as a sound engineer so i pack a lot of small bit) it is really amazing to have easy quick access to so much gear, i find myself just grabbing stuff easily even in dark environment. Also find the main pocket organization quick nice, doesnt use much space if not use but also quit easy to access, especially the top one one the back part (except if your bag in full to the top obviously) Recommend this bags 100% if you are like me and need quick easy access to a lot of small different things for you work or hobbies
I agree with you, the lack of a false bottom and really no extra padding below the laptop compartment is a big negative for me. I also found the very rigid structure of the panel that makes up the front of the main compartment is too much for me. I would guess that the reason it is there is to provide something for the tech pouch area that opens outward from the top of the bag needs an anchor. However, it really limits the capacity of the main compartment making whatever you put in the mesh pockets stick further out into the space. The water bottle pocket on the side also encroaches into the main compartment further taking space. To me, this feels more like a 16 or 18L bag. I would like the bag much more with less structure in the middle.
I really like the top-access tech-pouch-like compartment. But having the front side access compartment and the laptop compartment on opposite sides is a big miss. Besides on-body access, the side access pockets are useful when the bag is on top of rolling luggage.
I received this bag a few weeks ago - I want to love it but everything feels too stiff and tight for me. Like you said, this does NOT feel like 20L. With the stiff structure of the bag, everything feels like I'm squishing it to make it work. I tried using the admin compartment for my tech, but it could only handle some of it, so I'm using my CAP 1 in the main compartment for tech. This replaced a 22L bag I was using, so this obviously colors my opinion. It may not be an issue for others.
The best EDC I’ve seen. I’ve started to feel like my CPP is a little bit overkill and tiny bit too bulky for EDC, and this checks all the boxes. I’d still say the CPP is an ideal one bag if you can only have (or afford) a single bag, but now that I’m getting into carry, I’m thinking about a better EDC and this is a great contender vs a briefcase like the Tokyo work bag Things I don’t love about the CPP for EDC: - I don’t love the saggy clamshell when not full of cubes for travel - admin pouch needs more organization (the sympl nails it) - a little too thick for EDC - no side handle - don’t get a ton of use out of the side pocket - doesn’t self stand
The commuter pack is definitely the bag for you then. It Checks all your boxes of CPP dislikes. It’s for sure my favorite EDC I’ve ever had by a landslide. I’d love to see sympl make this in am Xpac, or a ballistic nylon option too, or maybe some fancy fabric they come up with as they seem to be pretty good at creating killer fabrics.
@@1BagTravelerGuru a different fabric would be nice. My last hesitation is the back panel - the CPP just nails it from a soft and comfortable perspective, and I’ve seen the back panel described as “hard and stiff”. Any thoughts?
@@kunalmishra9463 The back panel is perfect in my opinion, the channels in the back panel allow it to curve to fit my back and has good air flow. The CPP super soft back panel is ok but commuter packs back panel I find is much better as the load distribution is so much better because the back panel is a little firmer. But the firmer back panel doesn’t mean less comfort, as it is so much more supportive and still conforms to my back shape.
£170 is right at the highest end of what I'd pay for a bag I reckon. I like this one, don't get me wrong, but it is just a little bit "Black Cube With Zips" nowt wrong with that, I just like a bit of colour 😁 That interior is pretty mind you.
Looks awesome! But I’m not crazy about the fabric. I think I like the look and feel of the Aer Pro better. On another note, I can’t help but noticing the absence (at least as of today) of all things Cotopaxi in your channel. I’d like to know your take on that brand. Great job as always!
@@Nomads.Nation There is not really a false bottom like other bags. But the whole laptop section is soft for sure, as I am sure you are aware. The bottom appears to be stitched a bit above the bottom of the bag. So there is certainly thought to making your laptop safe.
@@arlencarlson agreed - it's super soft and well padded on both bags, and a tiny bit of stitching at the bottom, but it's not really a false bottom (at least not when compared to other bags in its class). But the CPL24 has the same issue and no one ever complains about it, just throw a laptop sleeve on and you'll be fine
What are those hooks you're using to hang all these backpacks at the start of the video? Seems like a really smart way to store backpacks without stressing the carry handle too much.
It's so close to perfect for me. I love the quick access pocket, tech organizer, and interior storage pockets. I also love the look and size. I'm not sure about the internal water bottle pocket. I really don't like the side laptop compartment and lack of false bottom. Also, I carry a laptop and 12.9" iPad Pro, so not sure they will both fit. My City Pack Pro has a divide for both.
Yeah the side access laptop pocket definitely protects your laptop from rain better than a top access, and I know sympl is about protection from the elements so I guess that’s why they did a side access. My sympl commuter pack has a false bottom, it’s a separate compartment that is sewn about an inch off the bottom with foam on the bottom for more protection. I have a 14” MacBook Pro and 12.9” iPad and I keep them both in the laptop compartment, but I do keep my iPad in a soft case.
another great review! I would really love the combination of the Fyro T22 and sympl commuter quick access dual pockets. I think keys are getting a little absolute... But I rather have them on the front side quick access pocket so they don't take valuable space in the quick access/Menny admin pocket.
I have this bag and I just checked and the laptop pocket sits an inch off the bottom and is also well padded on the bottom too, so no issues when I drop it.
@ thanks, sent them a query. Appreciate your videos and response! Any plans to review the AON Evade 1.0x? Looks wicked but I’m worried about the Xpac 50 with tracking dust/hair. Cheers!
I’ve recently found your channel and have been watching many reviews. I’m kinda down to this one, the Aer City Pack Pro and two Nomatics. The Nomatic backpack seems to have a lot of the features I want, but I find it a bit ugly and hate how prominent the branding is. So thinking about the Navigator 15L instead. Thoughts?
@@Nomads.Nationthe biggest concern with the Sympl seems to be the lack of false bottom. Is there a good foam piece to stick in there? Or am I making too much out of nothing?
@@ggruber66 as long as you don't regularly drop your backpack from 2 feet in the air, you'll be ok, false bottoms are more of an insurance plan than anything
is there any secret pocket on this like the back zip pockets on the Fyro? And also, i just found out about your channel and i noticed the kickstarter had ended and the bag is sold out. is there a chance the Fyro will be in stock by January so i can take it for travel. I would really like to buy that instead of the sympl.
Thank you so much for your interest in supporting our launch! We just wrapped up production on the T22's and are hoping to have the bags live on our website sometime in early Jan. We'll be giving our email subscribers early access to the launch, so be sure to sign up with the link below to get notified once we go live. 👉 fyro.co/pages/join-us Also by signing up you'll get instant access to our Private Community Survey where you can vote on the features of our two newest bags in development. In the meantime, don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions about Fyro or the T22!
Very cool bag! Love the tech compartment with side webbing and the front quick access pocket. Two quick questions if you have time :) 1. Is the material scratch proof or as good as? Reminds me of the nomatic which you reviewed and got easily scratched 2. Does the shiny material get really warm in the sun, like the Wandrd Duo? I know that one is tarpaulin, but might have the same effect? Thanks as always dude! Cheers, Chris
I have this bag and other bags from sympl with the same fabric and the material is very scratch proof, very different and way more durable than the nomatic bag fabric which I also have. My other sympl bags look brand new after more than a year of constant use. I haven’t noticed the fabric getting warm in the sun and I spend a lot of time in the sun with it. But it is black so does get warmer than a light color bag, but nothing out of the ordinary. I hope this helps.
Thank you for providing the world with these reviews. Can you please review Timbuk2 authority laptop backpack deluxe and thule subterra 2 backpack 27L A question here please (excuse my ignorance, I’m a beginner in here😂) Why do we look at these very expensive bags when we have alternatives from sportswear brands ?
glad you find them useful, I'll be sure to add your requests to our wish list. The bags we review have a tendency to be more highly crafted, and have a more urban/sleek look. They are much more expensive, but usually come with the world's best materials and also solid warranties 💪
Almost perfect bag for me, really want to try that material. I never understood side access laptop compartments. You have to unzip longer length. If your laptop is large, the fit and entry feels way tighter and you're potentially clashing with the zippers that might cause scratches on your laptop. No false bottoms is just stupid too. Of course, there's that one advantage, but like how many times do you access while on a luggage? I'm curious how it can fit larger laptops? Or is that just a result of not having false bottoms? You can't let gravity do the work when dropping your laptop in, unless you keep the bag on it's side, but it's an upright self-standing bag, not a side standing bag...
Side access laptop compartments are pretty awesome imo, they are less likely to get wet if you get caught in the rain, they still give you separate laptop compartment, and they are large so you can fit more tech gear. But the lack of a big false bottom can be a dealbreaker for some
Yeah Aaron definitely knows his bags!! The side access is way less likely to get wet when it’s raining. I don’t know if Aaron got a sample commuter pack from sympl, but my commuter definitely has a false bottom and has some extra foam on the bottom too, so it has killer laptop protection.
both have their own pros and cons, just depends on what's most important for the way you carry! Personally I like this one slightly more due to the fact that it self stands, a big pro for my use case
I'm in love, now let's see the price aaaaaand it's 200 euro. I wish there were great backpacks with integrated tech pouch at 100 euro. And yes, I dig the integrated tech pouch. While I do have a Peak Design Tech Pouch I would like an integrated one. For now, I'm sticking with my Everki Concept 2 it seems.
If it were available in Europe natively, I'd get it today. But the shipping alone is 45 euros, and then adding duties and taxes, it's probably a 300 euro bag.
@10mbc sympl bags have the great build quality and veeeeery nice materials. So their backpacks look much more expensive than they are. I have Weekender, and can't wait for my Commuter too.
Yeah I completely agree, sympl bags look like they should be twice the price with the way they look and feel, and materials and zippers they use. Literally the best of the best.
While you may not hike much. You do know everything about backpacks. I feel like you’re smart enough and knowledgeable enough to recommend some good backpacks.
@@Bear_in_mind. so you'd think, but even thinking about it right now, I have no idea where to start haha. I only review urban/travel bags, and hiking bags have completely different use cases/features, and is dominated by brands I've never even touched before. Having said that, I've heard good things about Arctyrx, Osprey, and Deuter, hope that helps!
It would have been more beneficial to test the tech pouch with a standard laptop charger and a widely used mouse, such as the Logitech Master 3. These two items, along with a power bank, are the most commonly carried by individuals.
It is available for Europe, delivering fees are higher obviously but I just ordered i and I'm living in France. I do agree tho that most bags manufacturers are in USA (at least the ones I like, evergood, black ember, aer...)
@@Bigbizzle-Ferrus sorry I just meant natively to Europe! After delivery fees, duties, and customs charges this is probably going to be a 300 euro bag.
European brands rarely reach out to us to send us gear, its very annoying lol. Reach out to your fav European backpack brands and tell them to send us some darn bags!!
I’m a bit disappointed where you mentioned the CPL 24 also suffers from not having a good false bottom for the laptop. Is this the case for the CPL16 as well? I’ve been eyeing that bag for a while so I hope it has a decent false bottom to protect my expensive laptop 😨
@@mr_red13 its just the design of the compartment, but if you look at reviews of the CPL you'll see that very few people complain about it, especially if you wrap your laptop in a padded sleeve
Debating bc this and the Aer CPP. What would you choose for EDC primary and the occasional travel personal item to compliment a roller? This seems similar to CPP but just less bulky. And fixes the top heaviness of the Aer PP20. Curious your take.
the space is very very tight for the size, so as long as that's not an issue for you then this is a fantastic option. If you want more packing space though, the CPP is the way to go
Definitely this one over the CPP. I have both the sympl commuter and Aer CPP and although I love my CPP the sympl commuter is hands down the best EDC I’ve ever had and is perfect overnighter to slide on my carry on roller. And I can’t wait to get my Fyro and put that to the test. Fyro looks Fyre 🔥
Great Review! I was my only concern is that it's bulky, I currently have a slimmer back (MARK RYDEN Slim Backpack, might worth a review) that is about 5" thick, does this one hold it shape when not fully packed out or does it compress down a little, and looks a little slimmer than the full 6 inches. Is a lot slimmer than the Nomatic travel back 20L?
have had this backpack for a couple weeks (but the pedal mafia version). one thing that really surprised me was that you can "push in" the front portion so that "caves in" to the main compartment, instead of it sticking out! Decreases the main compartment capacity significantly but def gives the bag a much more slender look
Ya, this is way slimmer than the nomatic travel pack 20L, that thing is like a big box haha. When the commuter pack isn’t packed out it can be flattened out thinner to around 4” and looks very slim, but still holds a nice shape so it doesn’t look like a crumply mess.
I was waiting so much for that reviewand I was so sure that it will have been my next backpack BUT... no false bottom into laptop compartment. It's just so stupid... So really thanks for this review 'cause this is not gonna by my backpack at all. Think I'll switch to Aer Travel Pack 3...now just have to choose between the thousands versions of it :)
I agree that its a bummer, but like I said the Evergoods CPL24 has the same problem - its just a matter of this kind of construction which is necessary to get all the other cool features on the bag. If you got a laptop sleeve it would easily fit and give extra protection :)
I have this the sympl commuter pack and it definitely has a false bottom and also has padding on the bottom for extra impact resistance. Is the false bottom as large as some others, probably not but it is for sure large enough with enough padding to offer as much laptop protection as any of the best brands with great laptop protection.
@@TheBagFreak all I can do is tell you what I experienced and compare it to other bags I've reviewed... it's not the best false bottom at all (but that is also easily mitigated if you are concerned - just put your laptop in an extra sleeve!)
I have the commuter pack and checked the false bottom after I saw this review. There is a false bottom that is sewn up about 1” off the bottom and it also has a good amount of foam padding on the bottom too. I dropped my bag from a few feet with my old laptop in it and it is fully protected, no damage at all. Not like I’ll ever be dropping my backpack on the concrete from 3ft anyways lol.
@@BagBuffMikeTraveler good to know! Like I said, my experience was mine, maybe I was too harsh, but it's still not the best false bottom in the game (which is fine for many)
Hi ive been using the aer citypack pro for a few months but cannot stand the weight of it, the strap doesn’t seem to support enough for me, is there anything that i might like if i like the cpp but want a lighter and less thick version?
Totally get that it’s a heavy bag but Aer is known to have some of the thickest and best padded shoulder straps out there. This Sympl bag is pretty close. Maybe you just need a lighter bag with lighter/less bulky shoulder straps? If so maybe Bellroy bags are more up your alley
@@Nomads.Nation ya im looking for a lighter bag overall, my edc is ipad, water bottle, umbrella mainly. Which model or size u recommend trying out from bellroy?
@@Nomads.Nation what do you think of the alpaka metro bp or able carry 13? Which will be more suitable for office work? I am able to try the metro bp in store, but no the able carry, is it more similar to bellroy materials and build? Like softer and less rigid? The alpaka is probably half the price of the able carry.
@@lucuschen9911 both are great for office as long as you think they look the part. Able Carry uses XPAC of Cordura, both are very different. Cordura is more like Alpaka materials. XPAC is more plastic-y but weather resistant. I'd say go with the Alpaka
I don't like how the laptop pocket and side handle are on the opposite side of the quick access pocket. Anything in the side quick access is going to get dumped out when using the handle or accessing your laptop. They should all be on the same side IMO
why do these Back pack Companies only designs EDC that are so huge? or meant for Tall Humans? I love simple lines too&a avid fan of the color Black, but what about women who are petite? so difficult to find a carry on back pack/duffle bag for Travel or for daily commute to work :(
well to accommodate a larger size (this bag being 20 litesr) it needs to be certain dimensions. But there are great smaller bags out there, check out the Alpaka Metro Backpack, Bellroy Classic Backpack, and Able Carry 13. My 5'2 sister has done reviews on all of these on our other channel Gear for the Girls, be sure to check them out!
Dang, this bag is really sick. Love the features and organization but I have to say I think looks-wise its not my favorite. Definitely great for the officegoers but think its bland in comparison to other bags coming out as of late
Their shipping costs for this bag are ridiculous, with most international options priced at $100. While it could be a nice bag, the shipping cost based on price is just stripping money off customers.
I agree that it seems expensive, but I don't think accusing a new, small company of a few people trying to make a great product "stripping off customers". Truth is I launched my own backpack company and I can tell you that logistics are so complicated, ESPECIALLY with large boxes like these and ESPECIALLY when every country has different rules/duties/taxes. I would just hope that in the future we can assume these small businesses are trying their best and aren't all inherently evil
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@@Nomads.Nation , thanks for leveraging my lame comment. I understand the logistical hassle, and I have seen quite a few companies charging a lot for shipping bags while others do not. Most of the expensive ones use shipping companies that charge outrageous prices. While they may not be evil, they have a $60 markup just for the price range of the bag, this is like a 30% insurance cost, and the only shipping option is express international at the highest rate. This price does usually not include taxes or duties, which are charged by UPS or FedEx upon arrival, and another $50 fee every time + taxes. I order a lot internationally as we only have some of those products here in NZ and there are other ways to ship at much better prices. I had a chat with one bag company recently, they offer shipping at a high price too and they reckon the shipping partner was too costly and are in the process of changing their logistic partner
@@Nomads.Nationagreed, no way does a new company wanting to succeed, is willing to throw away their brand for shipping costs. If they could ship it for less they probably would!
I ordered this bag from sympl and had it shipped to France from the USA and was $50 usd which is pretty standard, unless it’s a very large brand that has their own warehouses in all countries and can ship for less I doesn’t get much cheaper. But I highly doubt they’re making money off people charging $50 to ship to France from the USA, they’re most likely losing money on shipping as it’s a pretty big box and international shipping isn’t cheap.
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didn't you already build one the fyro t22 so wait you are going to build the fyro t35?
@@sussybaka-fo2mp we are building two new bags - a sling and a travel pack! These will be different from the T22 and we are developing them in public again! If you want instant access to our Private Community Design Survey so you can see the drawings and vote on key features, be sure to sign up below 💪
mailchi.mp/0e76dccaf70f/fyro-post-ks
I LOVE that you guys started showing a range of laptop sizes that can fit in a bag with the 3D printed models! I use a 17 inch Razer so it is always hard to find reviews that show if a bag can fit it! Really great addition to the reviews!! Love Love Love! ❤
more coming!!
For travel packs, would you mind testing both a smaller and a larger laptop at the same time? I have to travel with both a work and personal laptop and it's hard to find any info for most bags on that usecase
Mentionning the lack of a false bottom is exactly the kind of detail I follow you for, this alone is enough to make this bag a deal breaker for me, your own bag seems a better choice for this form factor and design.
glad our review was helpful! I would say though if you carry your laptop in a protective case then it will still fir and it will be much more secure
I pre ordered the sympl commuter pack and received it before I saw this review. And didnt really think about the false bottom issue. But I did just check mine and it 100% has a false bottom that’s about 3/4-1” off the bottom and is padded pretty good with foam under it too, so definitely no issues with any laptop damage
I’m fully sharing your opinion. Even some lack of attention to details that makes them imperfect is a potential deal breaker for me. For example, some brands make expandable backpacks while emphasizing steal protection or waterproofness. And then what’s the point of waterproofness if a rain can go through that expandable mesh and ur staff will be wet…
Would this be good for under the seat for planes? Also, if a bag is lacking a false bottom, I use part of a pool moodle cut to fit or foam rubber. I just make my own.
@markpuffer9615 it would probably be good for under the seat since it's relatively small. As for the false bottom, I wouldn't recommend making your own, you can, but it's way more janky than one that is built in.
Been waiting for this one! Just got this a few weeks ago and have really enjoyed it so far as my EDC bag
Great to hear!
Like that you have a new 17” cutout. Looking forward to you trying that with future reviews.
it's the new star of the show haha
@@Nomads.Nation what are the measurements for that cutout, if you dont mind me asking?
Been waiting for this review since your community post! Thanks for the insight as always NN team :)
hope it was helpful for ya!
You can never go wrong providing options. To the one who wants it- yaaay! To the one who doesn’t, no big deal just use what you want and leave the rest.
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I love the filing cabinet pocket! It shows clients you mean business.
hell yea 💪
If I hadn't bought your Fyro bag I would be all over this bag. perfect size and features for a personal item.
its such a cool bag :)
That top access tech pouch is a really good idea. Seems to be a lot of pros with this one, except the branding. I might have to use your link on this one. Thanks N.N.
much appreciated!
I totally agree about keychain. Had the same thoughts before this video. Side access is better because you could just swing the backpack and take the keys. I have the weekender after your review (thanks!). And now can't wait when my commuter will arrive
I like the top access keychain, as side access key chains get in the way when throwing my hoodie or larger items in there. Always pulls out with my hoodie and scratches my hand when trying to get larger items in or out of the side access pocket.
pros and cons to any location
The organisation in a backpack only really works if you can leave it there and always carry the backpack with you. I prefer a tech pouch and packing cubes as I can transfer to what ever sling, daily carry or travel bag or big haul duffle I am using. I use the Side-by-side pouch but would possibly go for the tech pouch from Alpaka if I couldn't get a replacement. Same idea but I can take out an put on the desktop anywhere I need it know exactly where my cable clutter is stored (less need for various USB plugs but still needing a separate cable for each device as two or four need charging at the same time).
In one everyday three way carry backpack I inserted a 1" (25mm) square cross section dense foam strip the full length of the base of the laptop compartment. This never budges holds the laptop in place. This is so easy to do. Overtime the foam will decompose but just fit in another strip.
great feedback!
I ordered this bag, my first edc, based off this review. Very satisfied so far. I’ve switch from a msg bag. Thx you
So happy to hear!!
I wish it was expandable at the bottom like the Nomad Back Pack, but I love the inside bottle/umbrella pocket!
Literally just bought this couple days ago. Expecting it tomorrow. Even more excited now.
be sure to let us know what you think of it after testing a few weeks!
Hey Aaron. I know you're not a gamer, but I appreciate you adding a 17" laptop now to the reviews. A lot of gaming laptops these days are getting bigger than a 16" Macbook Pro.
If that model (Dell XPS i7 9700) is correct the 14.74" for the width is definitely going to cover 99% of them now. At 9.77" depth, it maybe still won't get some of the deeper laptops that are 10.25", but it's close enough.
My pleasure
happy to do it and sorry it took so long!
@@Nomads.Nation thats ok
Self standing and that top access are top 5 MUST HAVES for me
Sadly, a good external water pocket is as well :(
so close...
This is my new fav edc bag, but I did swap the zipper pulls with Wandrd’s locking zips and lock it in between the side handles for more security
That’s a great idea, I never thought about swapping different brands zipper pulls out. Thanks for the tip
cool hack!
I love most things about this bag. Really well designed. I know this is purely subjective preference, but I do not like the coating on the exterior nylon. It gives it a shiny effect that just isn’t my thing. I’m also never outside or in rain with my EDC bag for any period of time, so that plays into it.
If this thing was straight 840D with no coating, I’d be all over it.
Great review as usual. Looking forward to following you guys on the Fyro journey as you tackle the next 2 offerings!
thanks for your support!
Not every bag has to appeal to everyone.
Having a tech pouch there really is useful when you use it to go to the office.
I would use that instead of my actual tech pouch which I take out of my bag and put on my desk.
One thing I always wonder about is how to access these clamshell openings at your desk?
I like it when the zipper goes a bit more back so the opening becomes more top loader. Like the evergoods mpl.
I use a messenger/brief or toploader for that reason for the office.
yea clamshell access at your desk can be a bit tight fo sho
Aaron, by the way, the video insert for alternative recommendation #3 seems to goe to a different Evergoods backpack, not the CPL.
thanks for that! Unfortunately UA-cam doesn't let us edit anything after publishing so no changes can be made 😂
Thanks for another great review. The Sympl commuter (in my view) has a very similar profile to the Black Ember Citadel R3
a bit yea!
Hey there Nomads Nation Team!
I’ve recently been on a binge of your videos(so high quality) because I was looking to down size and upgrade from my 35L JanSport Big Student and this is the bag that I feel the best about. However, I was wondering if you guys had any tips on how I could/should carry my 16” MacBook Pro and 13” iPad Pro Safely inside the Bag.
Thank you guys so much, I don’t think I would have cared this much if I wasn’t shown this wonderful world of backpacks from you! I really am truely surprised you don’t have greater following with how high quality you content is.
Welcome to the community! To be honest it's a GREAT laptop sleeve, just doesn't have the best false bottom. I'd recommend not slamming your backpack down on the ground, and if you want maybe get a very thin laptop sleeve to have an extra sense of protection, but maybe wait to get that unti you have the bag and you are sure laptop + sleeve can fit!!
Fantastic job with the review and all others! I finally purchased this bag but in Sympl x Pedal Mafia version (ultimately the same). There are additional design corks that irks me a bit. 1. The laptop department security latch gets in the way of my Asus Zenbook 15inch when inserting 2. The front zip pocket is not on the same side as the side bag handle (I can live with this one).
Appreciate the feedback! I can see how that laptop latch would be annoying.
I have this bag now for a couple of weeks and I love it.
Only the Airtag holder isnt that well done: the Airtag slips easy out. So I did a quick fix for this: i cut a small slice on the inner mesh of the Airtag pocket and put the Airtag then inside the pocket in between the meshes. Fixed it! Simpl should copy this 😉
Great hack!
Catching Swells...? on the Tube. A new one for us mate. Flat bottom girl you make the rocking world go around. Hence therefore "laptop sleeve". Another great presentation.
cheers mate!
I love that tech pouch pocket
its so convenient
I like the top access pocket. Would appreciate it on the aer travel pack. There is extra space in the front lacking a pocket as the front pocket does not extend up pass the zipper. It would be great to have the organizational quick access pocket there.
great call!
Glad I watched this. There’s a Pedal Mafia collab for $229 that I’ve been debating to buy. I didn’t realize the regular one was a lot cheaper and probably will go on sale.
glad we could help!
I think this is what the CPL24 could've been.
Great review as always.
Way better than the CPL 24 in my opinion, I own both bags and the commuter is levels above the CPL.
yea I think this one might give the CPL a run for its money
You should review a greenroom136 northseeker!
hoping to soon!
Good combination of features!
Agreed!
Great review as usual - continue to love the format and the content. Enjoy the b roll of past Aaron critiquing the comfort - it looks like more work to shoot but it adds depth to the review. The tech centric pouch and comparison with Aer is spot on- still, this is familiar to your bag in many ways. I don’t really care for much organization in my packs as I prefer more simplicity and rely on independent small pouches and try to reduce my wires and external drives and batteries to the bare minimum for the sake of sanity- sometimes having everything with you feels like taking my entire desk on the road which is not the point of a backpack and portability. I love how this size can force you to be more thoughtful about what you consider essential - would love to work my way down to using a 22 to 24 liter backpack for one bag travel for work and personal travel trips and as a daily driver to and from the office. Sadly with the gear I need for work, I use a 27 Liter.
thanks for your great feedback!
I love coordinates and also sailors so I left a like!
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The laptop sleeve and front pocket zip should have been on the same side so you can access both when it's on your luggage.
The front pocket on the right side works perfect for me as I access my waterbottle and the front pocket from the same side. I prefer it on my waterbottle side vs my laptop side, as all of the items I’d use with my laptop are in the top quick access pocket.
I do see this point
I appreciate the honesty, like they say you don’t necessarily eat your own dogfood and frankly this bag is better than the one you make tbh.
They’re fairly similar in a few ways but I think they are both really nice. Also kinda rude to disparage the guys hard work here.
all good, no bag is perfect for everyone! I'm stoked that you found one that works for your needs 💪
I *really* liked the look & design elements of this bag when I first saw it online -- the sleek silhouette while still having an externally accessible water bottle pocket, the quick access zip pockets on the front in exactly the two orientations and locations I'd want, comfy looking straps and handles, and the full clamshell opening. I clicked the preorder on one, and have been very happy with it -- it is definitely a great looking EDC bag IMHO. The biggest downside I've found is that the built-in water bottle pocket is almost impossible to use if the bag is fully packed out. For example, SYMPL's packing cubes require the full width of the interior, making them incompatible with storing a water bottle in that pocket.
OTOH, I did find that the clamshell style opening allowed this bag to pack out and hold more than my similarly sized half-zip EDC bag. Basically I was able to pack fairly thick (or deep?) throughout the bag, and then close the lid, press down, and zip it all closed nicely. In a bag that doesn't zip open completely that bottom half can be hard to pack into efficiently, or stuff down in to, whereas a clamshell can almost behave like a compression packing cube in this respect. And that exterior front pocket still has enough of it's own volume to hold a rain shell or light hoody. I expect I can use this 20L as an extended 4-day weekend travel bag no problem.
totally see what you are saying, but in their defense, there are so many backpacks that have this style of water bottle holder and they all eat into the main compartment... that's the whole design, it's literally in the main compartment. Great for looking sleek, not as great for maximizing capacity
Good point for sure. This is my first bag with such a compartment, and I loved the idea of the sleekness and wonderfully clean lines of this bag while still having external access to the water bottle. What I hadn’t thought about, and now have learned, is that when you pull the water bottle out to use it items inside the bag may shift making it difficult to get the bottle back in again in the “quick access” manner one might have hoped. But at the end of the day this design is still (to me) way better than no water bottle pocket, or an inside only pocket. No regrets - I totally dig this EDC bag!
wow I love the hangar rack setup
yea pretty cool fo sho
@@Nomads.Nation still stuck on this vs aer city pro cordura. I'm not keen on the sheen of this pack but the features and size are brilliant
@@PatonCavaney make your decision based on size because they are polar opposites. The Sympl is very small tight and sleek. The Aer CPP is very big bulky and has tons of capacity
You may also take a look on upcoming Elecom MNL 21L for EDC.
this bag looks awesome! I hope they will send us one to look at
I sorta liked the look of the old version more, but this one does match the rest of their lineup more. I think the admin accordion is cool. Seems like a lot for the top of the bag though.
the older bag def had a bit more of a traditional silhouette, this ones a bit more modern all around
not the able carry daily plus? just got a used ac daily in cordura, and im excited to use it for school
one of my fav EDC bags!
14:06 CPL 24, laptop sleeve INSIDE laptop compartment is elevated by ~2cm, at least on v3
not sure what version I have, but regardless the "false bottoms" of side access laptop sleeves are nowhere near as good as top loader laptop sleeve false bottoms
but they can still absolutely get the job done
I noticed my laptop compartment has as a decent false bottom that is protecting my 16 inch MacBook Pro. I’m very happy with this one, comfortable for use in Manhattan. Also the hidden water bottle spot is good when you don’t want the nasties in public restrooms depositing on your water bottle.
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Did you by any chance test if an Aer Packing Cube would fit into the Clamshell Compartment? If so it would make it the perfect backpack fir me 😅
I didn’t but if you ask Sympl and give them the dimensions they might be able to help ya. Be sure to let us know what they say!
was waiting for that review, and i just ordered it !
Gonna fight with my Black ember citadel 20L but the two quick access pocket, separate laptop compartment and water bottle compartment will win it for sure
I already have the sympl commuter pack and it’s craaaaazy good! Best edc I’ve ever had. You’ll love it
its awesomee
After using it for about 10 days (as a sound engineer so i pack a lot of small bit) it is really amazing to have easy quick access to so much gear, i find myself just grabbing stuff easily even in dark environment.
Also find the main pocket organization quick nice, doesnt use much space if not use but also quit easy to access, especially the top one one the back part (except if your bag in full to the top obviously)
Recommend this bags 100% if you are like me and need quick easy access to a lot of small different things for you work or hobbies
@@Bigbizzle-Ferrus thanks so much for your feedback!!
I agree with you, the lack of a false bottom and really no extra padding below the laptop compartment is a big negative for me. I also found the very rigid structure of the panel that makes up the front of the main compartment is too much for me. I would guess that the reason it is there is to provide something for the tech pouch area that opens outward from the top of the bag needs an anchor. However, it really limits the capacity of the main compartment making whatever you put in the mesh pockets stick further out into the space. The water bottle pocket on the side also encroaches into the main compartment further taking space. To me, this feels more like a 16 or 18L bag. I would like the bag much more with less structure in the middle.
agreed on the size, it feels like a tight 16/17 liter bag
I really like the top-access tech-pouch-like compartment. But having the front side access compartment and the laptop compartment on opposite sides is a big miss. Besides on-body access, the side access pockets are useful when the bag is on top of rolling luggage.
yea the orientation of the bag could have been better considered
I received this bag a few weeks ago - I want to love it but everything feels too stiff and tight for me. Like you said, this does NOT feel like 20L. With the stiff structure of the bag, everything feels like I'm squishing it to make it work. I tried using the admin compartment for my tech, but it could only handle some of it, so I'm using my CAP 1 in the main compartment for tech. This replaced a 22L bag I was using, so this obviously colors my opinion. It may not be an issue for others.
its def a stiffer bag and that comes with its own set of pros and cons, and I def stick to the fact that the main compartment is tighhtttt
I would be interested in buying if you plan on selling.
@@2tangz are you in the US?
@@marybethmaloyG Northern California
It's odd you haven't ever reviewed a ULA Dragonfly, I'm particularly interested how the 36L stacks up
i have one, just haven't reviewed it yet. Hopefully soon!
The best EDC I’ve seen. I’ve started to feel like my CPP is a little bit overkill and tiny bit too bulky for EDC, and this checks all the boxes. I’d still say the CPP is an ideal one bag if you can only have (or afford) a single bag, but now that I’m getting into carry, I’m thinking about a better EDC and this is a great contender vs a briefcase like the Tokyo work bag
Things I don’t love about the CPP for EDC:
- I don’t love the saggy clamshell when not full of cubes for travel
- admin pouch needs more organization (the sympl nails it)
- a little too thick for EDC
- no side handle
- don’t get a ton of use out of the side pocket
- doesn’t self stand
this is def a CPL competitor in the best way
The commuter pack is definitely the bag for you then. It Checks all your boxes of CPP dislikes. It’s for sure my favorite EDC I’ve ever had by a landslide. I’d love to see sympl make this in am Xpac, or a ballistic nylon option too, or maybe some fancy fabric they come up with as they seem to be pretty good at creating killer fabrics.
@@1BagTravelerGuru a different fabric would be nice. My last hesitation is the back panel - the CPP just nails it from a soft and comfortable perspective, and I’ve seen the back panel described as “hard and stiff”. Any thoughts?
@@kunalmishra9463 The back panel is perfect in my opinion, the channels in the back panel allow it to curve to fit my back and has good air flow. The CPP super soft back panel is ok but commuter packs back panel I find is much better as the load distribution is so much better because the back panel is a little firmer. But the firmer back panel doesn’t mean less comfort, as it is so much more supportive and still conforms to my back shape.
£170 is right at the highest end of what I'd pay for a bag I reckon.
I like this one, don't get me wrong, but it is just a little bit "Black Cube With Zips" nowt wrong with that, I just like a bit of colour 😁 That interior is pretty mind you.
its a very good price point
Looks awesome! But I’m not crazy about the fabric. I think I like the look and feel of the Aer Pro better.
On another note, I can’t help but noticing the absence (at least as of today) of all things Cotopaxi in your channel. I’d like to know your take on that brand.
Great job as always!
haven't reviewed a Cotopaxi bag yet, hoping to soon!
Now you have me wondering if there is a minimal false bottom on my Weekender version.
give it a look and let us know 🙏
@@Nomads.Nation There is not really a false bottom like other bags. But the whole laptop section is soft for sure, as I am sure you are aware. The bottom appears to be stitched a bit above the bottom of the bag. So there is certainly thought to making your laptop safe.
@@arlencarlson agreed - it's super soft and well padded on both bags, and a tiny bit of stitching at the bottom, but it's not really a false bottom (at least not when compared to other bags in its class). But the CPL24 has the same issue and no one ever complains about it, just throw a laptop sleeve on and you'll be fine
I love the top access pocket I hate digging around for small things n organized pockets are great
yea it’s a great pocket
Hi where can i get these hooks you use to store your backpacks?
amzn.to/3DCWVTd
What are those hooks you're using to hang all these backpacks at the start of the video? Seems like a really smart way to store backpacks without stressing the carry handle too much.
these bad boys, love em
www.amazon.com/dp/B0CH8R5MS1?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details
It's so close to perfect for me. I love the quick access pocket, tech organizer, and interior storage pockets. I also love the look and size. I'm not sure about the internal water bottle pocket. I really don't like the side laptop compartment and lack of false bottom. Also, I carry a laptop and 12.9" iPad Pro, so not sure they will both fit. My City Pack Pro has a divide for both.
no bag is perfect!
Yeah the side access laptop pocket definitely protects your laptop from rain better than a top access, and I know sympl is about protection from the elements so I guess that’s why they did a side access. My sympl commuter pack has a false bottom, it’s a separate compartment that is sewn about an inch off the bottom with foam on the bottom for more protection. I have a 14” MacBook Pro and 12.9” iPad and I keep them both in the laptop compartment, but I do keep my iPad in a soft case.
I love the admin area.
me too!
The tech pocket works great in my car I leave it open and grab stuff I need chapstick wipes etc.
great use case!
another great review!
I would really love the combination of the Fyro T22 and sympl commuter quick access dual pockets.
I think keys are getting a little absolute... But I rather have them on the front side quick access pocket so they don't take valuable space in the quick access/Menny admin pocket.
thanks so much!!
Lack of false bottom on laptop compartment would be a deal breaker for me. Apart from that pretty sweet pack. Top tech bag style pouch is nice...
I probably will put some padding on the bottom of laptop compartment myself
Agreed. I also feel like a full clamshell opening is a little unnecessary for a 20L bag. To each their own, nice looking bag though!
@@Bigbizzle-Ferrus Ever thought of Laptop sleeve.?
I have this bag and I just checked and the laptop pocket sits an inch off the bottom and is also well padded on the bottom too, so no issues when I drop it.
@@unfi6798 laptop sleeve won’t fit if you have a 16 inch
Does the bottle holder fit a 26oz camelback chute? The chute has a handle that sticks out a bit.
I'm not sure what that is, might be best to ask Sympl directly
@ thanks, sent them a query. Appreciate your videos and response!
Any plans to review the AON Evade 1.0x? Looks wicked but I’m worried about the Xpac 50 with tracking dust/hair.
Cheers!
i love how he’s basically like “set your bag down like it’s glass since there’s no false bottom”😂
Yea you’re gonna have to be careful, or double wrap it in a sleeve
Any reviews on Timbuk2 Authority? Would like your take on it😊
Not yet, hoping to soon!
I’ve recently found your channel and have been watching many reviews. I’m kinda down to this one, the Aer City Pack Pro and two Nomatics. The Nomatic backpack seems to have a lot of the features I want, but I find it a bit ugly and hate how prominent the branding is. So thinking about the Navigator 15L instead. Thoughts?
Personally I think Sympl and Aer offer better value for the money than Nomatic
@@Nomads.Nationthe biggest concern with the Sympl seems to be the lack of false bottom. Is there a good foam piece to stick in there? Or am I making too much out of nothing?
@@ggruber66 as long as you don't regularly drop your backpack from 2 feet in the air, you'll be ok, false bottoms are more of an insurance plan than anything
is there any secret pocket on this like the back zip pockets on the Fyro? And also, i just found out about your channel and i noticed the kickstarter had ended and the bag is sold out. is there a chance the Fyro will be in stock by January so i can take it for travel. I would really like to buy that instead of the sympl.
Thank you so much for your interest in supporting our launch!
We just wrapped up production on the T22's and are hoping to have the bags live on our website sometime in early Jan.
We'll be giving our email subscribers early access to the launch, so be sure to sign up with the link below to get notified once we go live.
👉 fyro.co/pages/join-us
Also by signing up you'll get instant access to our Private Community Survey where you can vote on the features of our two newest bags in development.
In the meantime, don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions about Fyro or the T22!
Very cool bag! Love the tech compartment with side webbing and the front quick access pocket.
Two quick questions if you have time :)
1. Is the material scratch proof or as good as? Reminds me of the nomatic which you reviewed and got easily scratched
2. Does the shiny material get really warm in the sun, like the Wandrd Duo? I know that one is tarpaulin, but might have the same effect?
Thanks as always dude! Cheers, Chris
I have this bag and other bags from sympl with the same fabric and the material is very scratch proof, very different and way more durable than the nomatic bag fabric which I also have. My other sympl bags look brand new after more than a year of constant use.
I haven’t noticed the fabric getting warm in the sun and I spend a lot of time in the sun with it. But it is black so does get warmer than a light color bag, but nothing out of the ordinary.
I hope this helps.
1. very scratch proof
2. not sure unfortunately
@@TheBagFreakthanks a lot! Definitely very helpful! I might splurge on this bag :))
@@Nomads.Nationthanks, Aaron!
@@TheBagFreakdoes this bag attract lint?
Aaron can tou tell me what your bag hangers are called and where you get them from.
check this link - amzn.to/3U05cWG
Thank you for providing the world with these reviews.
Can you please review Timbuk2 authority laptop backpack deluxe and thule subterra 2 backpack 27L
A question here please (excuse my ignorance, I’m a beginner in here😂)
Why do we look at these very expensive bags when we have alternatives from sportswear brands ?
glad you find them useful, I'll be sure to add your requests to our wish list. The bags we review have a tendency to be more highly crafted, and have a more urban/sleek look. They are much more expensive, but usually come with the world's best materials and also solid warranties 💪
Almost perfect bag for me, really want to try that material. I never understood side access laptop compartments. You have to unzip longer length. If your laptop is large, the fit and entry feels way tighter and you're potentially clashing with the zippers that might cause scratches on your laptop. No false bottoms is just stupid too. Of course, there's that one advantage, but like how many times do you access while on a luggage? I'm curious how it can fit larger laptops? Or is that just a result of not having false bottoms? You can't let gravity do the work when dropping your laptop in, unless you keep the bag on it's side, but it's an upright self-standing bag, not a side standing bag...
Side access laptop compartments are pretty awesome imo, they are less likely to get wet if you get caught in the rain, they still give you separate laptop compartment, and they are large so you can fit more tech gear. But the lack of a big false bottom can be a dealbreaker for some
Yeah Aaron definitely knows his bags!! The side access is way less likely to get wet when it’s raining. I don’t know if Aaron got a sample commuter pack from sympl, but my commuter definitely has a false bottom and has some extra foam on the bottom too, so it has killer laptop protection.
“Quick access in case I get STRUCK by a BRILLIANT idea!” xD
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Would you recommend this over the modern dayfarer v2?
both have their own pros and cons, just depends on what's most important for the way you carry! Personally I like this one slightly more due to the fact that it self stands, a big pro for my use case
Can you review the TomToc T73?
on our wish list!
Hi, there is Sympl x Pedal Mafia collab regarding this backpack. I see it is out of stock on Sympl site. Do you know where can I order it elsewhere?
I do not, but maybe check with Sympl or the Nomads Nation Marketplace
Please review the Alpaka Metro Pro?
Already shot, should be live in a few weeks
@@Nomads.Nation oh? Is there some kind of embargo?
@@BradleyGibbs nope, we currently have 30+ videos shot and ready to edit between our two channels, so we gotta prioritize 💪🏻
@@Nomads.Nation understood, thank you.
I'm in love, now let's see the price aaaaaand it's 200 euro. I wish there were great backpacks with integrated tech pouch at 100 euro. And yes, I dig the integrated tech pouch. While I do have a Peak Design Tech Pouch I would like an integrated one. For now, I'm sticking with my Everki Concept 2 it seems.
If it were available in Europe natively, I'd get it today. But the shipping alone is 45 euros, and then adding duties and taxes, it's probably a 300 euro bag.
@@cg-lk2bz You are right. Just madness.
@10mbc sympl bags have the great build quality and veeeeery nice materials. So their backpacks look much more expensive than they are. I have Weekender, and can't wait for my Commuter too.
Yeah I completely agree, sympl bags look like they should be twice the price with the way they look and feel, and materials and zippers they use. Literally the best of the best.
Hey! You should make a video recommending some good hiking backpacks
you wouldn't want that lol, I don't hike much
While you may not hike much. You do know everything about backpacks. I feel like you’re smart enough and knowledgeable enough to recommend some good backpacks.
@@Bear_in_mind. so you'd think, but even thinking about it right now, I have no idea where to start haha. I only review urban/travel bags, and hiking bags have completely different use cases/features, and is dominated by brands I've never even touched before. Having said that, I've heard good things about Arctyrx, Osprey, and Deuter, hope that helps!
Hi guys! Can the sternum strap be removed? Is it removable? 😅
90% sure yes but I'd double check with Sympl
It would have been more beneficial to test the tech pouch with a standard laptop charger and a widely used mouse, such as the Logitech Master 3. These two items, along with a power bank, are the most commonly carried by individuals.
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I was gonna order this, but I decided not to. The customs and taxes would have been killer insane 😭
yea, many governments around the world don't want their citizens to have access to cool stuff 🤷♂️
It looks so good, but not available on europe 😢 i wish you guys would review more europe-friendly bags!
It is available for Europe, delivering fees are higher obviously but I just ordered i and I'm living in France.
I do agree tho that most bags manufacturers are in USA (at least the ones I like, evergood, black ember, aer...)
@@Bigbizzle-Ferrus sorry I just meant natively to Europe! After delivery fees, duties, and customs charges this is probably going to be a 300 euro bag.
European brands rarely reach out to us to send us gear, its very annoying lol. Reach out to your fav European backpack brands and tell them to send us some darn bags!!
I’m a bit disappointed where you mentioned the CPL 24 also suffers from not having a good false bottom for the laptop. Is this the case for the CPL16 as well? I’ve been eyeing that bag for a while so I hope it has a decent false bottom to protect my expensive laptop 😨
In my experience it seems to be the case for most side-opening laptop compartments
@@Nomads.Nation damn
@@mr_red13 its just the design of the compartment, but if you look at reviews of the CPL you'll see that very few people complain about it, especially if you wrap your laptop in a padded sleeve
@@Nomads.Nation I didn’t think of that, I’ll definitely add a sleeve to my list. Thanks Aaron!
@@Nomads.Nation Btw, just wanted your opinion on something. Would you prefer this bag over the CPL16?
Is there a way to cure the fever? I think I got it bad
scientists have tried but so far unsuccessful, I'm sorry
Debating bc this and the Aer CPP. What would you choose for EDC primary and the occasional travel personal item to compliment a roller? This seems similar to CPP but just less bulky. And fixes the top heaviness of the Aer PP20. Curious your take.
the space is very very tight for the size, so as long as that's not an issue for you then this is a fantastic option. If you want more packing space though, the CPP is the way to go
Definitely this one over the CPP. I have both the sympl commuter and Aer CPP and although I love my CPP the sympl commuter is hands down the best EDC I’ve ever had and is perfect overnighter to slide on my carry on roller.
And I can’t wait to get my Fyro and put that to the test. Fyro looks Fyre 🔥
@@TheBagFreak thanks dude!
Great Review! I was my only concern is that it's bulky, I currently have a slimmer back (MARK RYDEN Slim Backpack, might worth a review) that is about 5" thick, does this one hold it shape when not fully packed out or does it compress down a little, and looks a little slimmer than the full 6 inches. Is a lot slimmer than the Nomatic travel back 20L?
a little compression but overall a very structured bag
have had this backpack for a couple weeks (but the pedal mafia version). one thing that really surprised me was that you can "push in" the front portion so that "caves in" to the main compartment, instead of it sticking out! Decreases the main compartment capacity significantly but def gives the bag a much more slender look
Ya, this is way slimmer than the nomatic travel pack 20L, that thing is like a big box haha. When the commuter pack isn’t packed out it can be flattened out thinner to around 4” and looks very slim, but still holds a nice shape so it doesn’t look like a crumply mess.
I was waiting so much for that reviewand I was so sure that it will have been my next backpack BUT... no false bottom into laptop compartment.
It's just so stupid...
So really thanks for this review 'cause this is not gonna by my backpack at all.
Think I'll switch to Aer Travel Pack 3...now just have to choose between the thousands versions of it :)
I agree that its a bummer, but like I said the Evergoods CPL24 has the same problem - its just a matter of this kind of construction which is necessary to get all the other cool features on the bag. If you got a laptop sleeve it would easily fit and give extra protection :)
I have this the sympl commuter pack and it definitely has a false bottom and also has padding on the bottom for extra impact resistance. Is the false bottom as large as some others, probably not but it is for sure large enough with enough padding to offer as much laptop protection as any of the best brands with great laptop protection.
@@TheBagFreak all I can do is tell you what I experienced and compare it to other bags I've reviewed... it's not the best false bottom at all (but that is also easily mitigated if you are concerned - just put your laptop in an extra sleeve!)
I have the commuter pack and checked the false bottom after I saw this review. There is a false bottom that is sewn up about 1” off the bottom and it also has a good amount of foam padding on the bottom too. I dropped my bag from a few feet with my old laptop in it and it is fully protected, no damage at all. Not like I’ll ever be dropping my backpack on the concrete from 3ft anyways lol.
@@BagBuffMikeTraveler good to know! Like I said, my experience was mine, maybe I was too harsh, but it's still not the best false bottom in the game (which is fine for many)
Which one would you recommend - Sympl Commuter or AER Tech Pack?
Can’t go wrong with either but I think Sympl
Hi ive been using the aer citypack pro for a few months but cannot stand the weight of it, the strap doesn’t seem to support enough for me, is there anything that i might like if i like the cpp but want a lighter and less thick version?
Totally get that it’s a heavy bag but Aer is known to have some of the thickest and best padded shoulder straps out there. This Sympl bag is pretty close. Maybe you just need a lighter bag with lighter/less bulky shoulder straps? If so maybe Bellroy bags are more up your alley
@@Nomads.Nation ya im looking for a lighter bag overall, my edc is ipad, water bottle, umbrella mainly. Which model or size u recommend trying out from bellroy?
@@lucuschen9911 Bellroy Classic Backpack or Tokyo Backpack are good starting points
@@Nomads.Nation what do you think of the alpaka metro bp or able carry 13? Which will be more suitable for office work? I am able to try the metro bp in store, but no the able carry, is it more similar to bellroy materials and build? Like softer and less rigid? The alpaka is probably half the price of the able carry.
@@lucuschen9911 both are great for office as long as you think they look the part. Able Carry uses XPAC of Cordura, both are very different. Cordura is more like Alpaka materials. XPAC is more plastic-y but weather resistant. I'd say go with the Alpaka
Is it possible to remove the logo?
Black marker!
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I don't like how the laptop pocket and side handle are on the opposite side of the quick access pocket. Anything in the side quick access is going to get dumped out when using the handle or accessing your laptop. They should all be on the same side IMO
Although it wasn’t a problem while I was testing it I do see your point
@@Nomads.Nation That's reassuring
why do these Back pack Companies only designs EDC that are so huge? or meant for Tall Humans? I love simple lines too&a avid fan of the color Black, but what about women who are petite? so difficult to find a carry on back pack/duffle bag for Travel or for daily commute to work :(
well to accommodate a larger size (this bag being 20 litesr) it needs to be certain dimensions. But there are great smaller bags out there, check out the Alpaka Metro Backpack, Bellroy Classic Backpack, and Able Carry 13. My 5'2 sister has done reviews on all of these on our other channel Gear for the Girls, be sure to check them out!
@lauries2858 check out the Ablecarry Thirteen Daybag; it's a really nice petite bag. I have one in the cordura black and gets used daily.
Dang, this bag is really sick. Love the features and organization but I have to say I think looks-wise its not my favorite. Definitely great for the officegoers but think its bland in comparison to other bags coming out as of late
It’s definitely a more sleek/business bag
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Their shipping costs for this bag are ridiculous, with most international options priced at $100. While it could be a nice bag, the shipping cost based on price is just stripping money off customers.
I agree that it seems expensive, but I don't think accusing a new, small company of a few people trying to make a great product "stripping off customers". Truth is I launched my own backpack company and I can tell you that logistics are so complicated, ESPECIALLY with large boxes like these and ESPECIALLY when every country has different rules/duties/taxes. I would just hope that in the future we can assume these small businesses are trying their best and aren't all inherently evil
@@Nomads.Nation , thanks for leveraging my lame comment. I understand the logistical hassle, and I have seen quite a few companies charging a lot for shipping bags while others do not. Most of the expensive ones use shipping companies that charge outrageous prices. While they may not be evil, they have a $60 markup just for the price range of the bag, this is like a 30% insurance cost, and the only shipping option is express international at the highest rate. This price does usually not include taxes or duties, which are charged by UPS or FedEx upon arrival, and another $50 fee every time + taxes. I order a lot internationally as we only have some of those products here in NZ and there are other ways to ship at much better prices. I had a chat with one bag company recently, they offer shipping at a high price too and they reckon the shipping partner was too costly and are in the process of changing their logistic partner
@@Nomads.Nationagreed, no way does a new company wanting to succeed, is willing to throw away their brand for shipping costs. If they could ship it for less they probably would!
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I ordered this bag from sympl and had it shipped to France from the USA and was $50 usd which is pretty standard, unless it’s a very large brand that has their own warehouses in all countries and can ship for less I doesn’t get much cheaper. But I highly doubt they’re making money off people charging $50 to ship to France from the USA, they’re most likely losing money on shipping as it’s a pretty big box and international shipping isn’t cheap.
he said it himself y'all! he's a shill! jokes aside, great review. looks like a bag with a ton of features and a versatile appearance.
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The key location is a big miss to an otherwise great bag
agreed
My scale says 2.86
thanks for double checking! We use 2-3 scales just to be triple sure
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Re their label… permanent black marker solves it for me.
problem solved lol
The top pouch is the best feature I ever seen in backpacks. Sad to see the front pocket is like for left handed peoples, so it is dealbreaker for me.
So close…
But it’s def not for left handed people, I’m right handed and had no problem with it