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Does The Andy Sabisch Coin Program Really Work For The Equinox?
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2020
- Andy Sabisch is well known in the metal detecting community for authoring numerous handbooks for several metal detectors to include the Minelab CTX 3030, Minelab Quattro and Safai, Minelab Equinox, XP Deus, and more. Each handbook is designed help owners understand and get the most out of their metal detectors. I saw his coin program for the Equinox and I decided to give it a try to see if it really works. I'll be honest, I was very skeptical going into my 3 days worth of testing. But how did his Equinox Coin Program measure up? Watch and see.
If you want to see how I set the coin program, skip ahead to the 10:00 to see how i did it. I made some slight tweaks to suit my ground conditions. If you want the written version (in-depth details on setting it up) go to my blog post: mentalmetaldet... I walk through setting up the tone breaks, target tones, etc. with screen shots of everything. EASY!
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Don't forget if you want the written version of this program and some of the modifications I made check out this article over on my mentalmetaldetecting.com mentalmetaldetecting.com/does-the-andy-sabisch-coin-program-really-work/ thanks for watching. Let me know if you test it out.
I purchased the book over a year ago, I went back to where I've detected numerous times after doing the settings from the book I was shocked at all I missed definitely one of my best purchases other than the equinox. This is a must have book settings are awesome.
Thanks for sharing!
Appreciate the feedback . . .glad it helped you
That was pretty amazing to find that many coins in a spot you already thought you had cleaned out. Good job
Thanks 👍 Its a great coin program for sure.
I just bought the Nox 800, and I favor coin finds over relics. Thanks for the tutorial!
Good choice!
I just got the updated version of the handbook ! I haven’t used any special programs yet . I’m still learning how to use it the most efficient .. takes time . A lot of things to know .. sometimes I wish I was back east with the history . I’m at least Here in Colorado where the east came to the west ! Andy put together another great book ! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the comment and sorry for the late response. Yours somehow slipped through the cracks but I do appreciate it. Thanks for watching!
The Nox is truly a very good machine Scott and they find ways to make them better!
It really is. I hope they keep making it better.
Hey Scott - thanks for the video, and I agree that Sabisch's book is a great resource. A coin-shooting option I like to use to discriminate out particular VDIs - and I hunt almost exclusively in 5 tones - is to decrease the volume to zero in certain tone breaks but keep the detector in all metal mode. So, my tone breaks are very similar to Sabisch's, as follows:
-9 to 10: Volume 0
11 to 14: Volume 25
15 to 18: Volume 0
19 to 23: Volume 25
24 to 40: Volume 25
With very few exceptions when detecting in areas that are well-watered and/or with high foot traffic, not surprisingly, anything old is deep, so even an older memorial or wheat penny will bump up and down between roughly 24 to 30. So once I've dug a few coins at the start of my hunt and determined that the 19 to 23 range are modern day coins, I will set 19 to 23 to zero as well. When I detect at old homesteads or on hard-packed ground, I will listen to all tones, as I've found Indian Head pennies at or just below the surface.
I like this method of discrimination because I can still see what the detector is picking up, but I don't have the audio overload. It's the visual equivalent to what threshold does for an audible signal that's been discriminated out. I've only had my 800 for 6 months or so, so I'm learning every day. If you or others in this thread that have thoughts to possible downsides to this method, I'd love to hear it.
Thanks Andy your approach is very interesting and something I make give a try. I have a good permission where I pretty much know whats in the ground there, so this might do well there. Thanks!
You bet! I’d be interested to hear how it works for you.
Awesome thanks for sharing this information. Definitely gonna try it out. I have not been able to find and coins yet on my property that dates back to 1840’s and was German Community here in TExas. Thanks again
Glad to help
Wow what a difference this program makes ty for it
No problem Bruce.
I Always see programs for the 800 how about the 600 is there any programs for it ??
You have more configuration options with the 800 which is why you see more for it.
Are these settings under a profile or what mode are they used in?
What I am wanting to know is if i set my machine up like this, how will I get back to my stock park 1 or field 1 mode for use at a different location...
All you do is start out in Park 1 then save it to your extra profile. At this point you will have 2 copies of Park1. Make sure you select your copied version and edit that one only (the one in your extra profile). In the end you will have the new program in your extra profile while your original Park 1 is still where it was.
@@MentalMetal ok and how do u load that profile up or go back and forth between the 2 in the machine TIA
I walk you through it in the video at 17:33 mins in. Plus, I have the article linked where you can follow along. Its located here: mentalmetaldetecting.com/does-the-andy-sabisch-coin-program-really-work/ as far as going between the 2, just hit your extra profile button 1 time to switch back to your previous Park 1, here is a more on what that button does. ua-cam.com/video/lLP_zP9_g50/v-deo.html
@@MentalMetal thanks much
Greetings from UK,
i have just bought the coiltek 10 x 5 for my Nox 800 and I`m really struggling with it.. ( 9 months of pretty much continual use with the 15 inch coil) The Coiltek 10 x 5 seems to beep and squeak and pop virtually all the time... Watching you, it seems to do the same. I too dont dig unless the signal is repeatable (9, 10 here in UK is always foil) I find that when i get a good signal, dig the plug, go over it and no signal, i go over the hole, again no signal. I turn over the plug and , hey presto, a signal so is there a depth problem?. Also pinpointing seems to be way off. Is it the centre of the coil or the tip? i have copied your settings into my Nox and will try it out asap
Not sure what to tell you. I have had nothing but great success w/mine. That combo of the NOX and that coil is magical IMO. I love it.
@@MentalMetal Thanks for the prompt reply Scott, I will persevere and let you know, looking forward to trying your settings,
Hey 👋 I have another question. I’ve been learning my new equinox 800 and becoming more familiar with the settings it has to offer. I was trying to set multiple user profiles on my detector but it only allows me to set one. On the box it says you can set up to 8. (I made a coin shooting setup in park 1 mode, then when I tried to make a field setup in field 2 the park user profile went away and the detector sets my user profile to the field one) are you able to set multiple user profiles? Any help would be much appreciated!! There’s are no videos on UA-cam on how to set multiple user profiles, nor does the manual explain how to.
Unfortunately you only have 1 slot. Here is a good link. www.detectorprospector.com/forums/topic/13436-equinox-saving-personal-program-800/#:~:text=SHort%20answer%20is%20that%20there,over%20the%20previous%20saved%20program.
@@MentalMetal THANK YOU! That really helped
Central EU coin bump at 16 to 18 too ?? should i still remove those on accept reject?
If you want to hear those targets then yes you will have to allow them to be heard.
Should be applicable same to the Nox 600 with slight setting variation. Any suggestions?
I honestly don't know, I don't have a 600 to look at and test. I'll look into what the differences are between the 2 machines and maybe do a follow up on my website post. Sorry thats all I can tell you for now.
@@MentalMetal thanks. One thing I do know in setting step similarities are like the recovery speed and iron bias. On the 800 there's like 8 speeds correct? On 600 is 3. What I have learned is each speed on 600 is equivalent to 2 speeds on the 800. Yet the 800 has a little more zip on the top end than the 600. Iron bias numbers are same situation. With the 800 doing better on the top end. Only thing the 600 cant do is all the tone breaks and sound adjustments and other tweaks like the 800. Thanks for at least considering a look into it. I wished now I got the 800. But I done well on finds and still learning
Yes the 800 goes up to 8 on the recovery speed. Don't sweat the 600 vs 800. I think you can do just as good with it. Up until now, I was only hunting in Park 1 using the defaults and found more that I ever have with any other machine. If you like to tinker with settings etc. sure the 800 might have been a better option but I think you can find the same targets regardless of whether you got the 600 or 800.
The problem is that the 600 does not have the adjustability that the 800 does - you can make the 600 work similar but not exactly how the 800 does
@@toolsofthetradehostedbyand1872 Correct. The 600 is not the 800. My 600 is awesome. But i wished i had the 800 for the adjustments tweaks. The 600 holds it own but so much more tweaking with the 800
Great Video!! Thanks Scott!!
You bet!
Greatly appreciated my friend ✌
No problem 👍
No problem 👍
I've Neve been a fan of headphones... Im thinking of spending ALMOST a THOUSAND DOLLARS on our tool...899.00 and if someone can get me it cheaper PLS LMK... I've had UNREAL success in my short ALMOST 3yrs of detecting. Started w/Garrett 350 then 400. Now the SIMPLEX. FINALLY figuring it out and finding 2ft COOPERS! All w/o head phones. PLS discuss this with me. I wanna be BETTER and get better and deeper PLS.
Meaning im WANTING to get the BEST... Nic
Nox 800 is the BEST RIGHT? And I've NEVER really used headphones the much.... Pls help me UNDERSTAND why I should if I get the Nox 800 pls
Nic, I've used many detectors in my time and I never wanted an Equinox for the longest time. I didn't like the look of it or the feel of it. Then I used one and took it over to a permission I had hammered for years. This video is one of those permissions. It is IMO the best detector out there. I would stick with the 800 and use the headphones. You will hear so much more of whats under the coil. Plus the headphones have noise canceling which makes them awesome. You will hear those quiet whispers that are DEEP. If you don't believe me, give Keith Leppert a call 814-215-1732. He will give more details on the machine. He will also give you a great deal and might beat what you see for a price. Tell him I sent you over.
@@ufopirate1746 I started detecting around 1978 (off and on) and I own three Garretts, two Whites, a Teknetics, a Nautilus and two Fishers. I also bought a Equinox 800 two years ago and it's the best machine I've ever used. I'm finding civil war bullets that my AT Pro didn't even know was there.
You can find deep targets without headphones but you will loose a lot of targets due to road noise, play ground noise or dogs barking. I will never detect without headphones! You can beat the $899.00 price that they're listed for!
I also agree the Nox 800 is very good machine. You can get a 15% discount if you are a veteran. Headphones to me are a must have item.
@@mikesdirt159 TY y'all.... Im selling my van to get a metal detector .. CRAZY lol
... TY for y'all's time... Means a lot...
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What could I do for my nox 600
For the 600 you can do simple notching that is something simple that i use on the 800 as well. Here is something I do that will work for the 600 mentalmetaldetecting.com/find-more-coins-with-the-minelab-equinox/
Hi great vid, I have the book but I assume this setting is only for American soil?
Thats how I've tried it but it depends on how coins hit from your country. His settings are based off of US coins if I'm not mistaken. It has to be close for others. I suspect you could make some slight adjustments for your soil to make it work.
They have different settings for other countries and soil .
Where is it in the book can’t find his name anywhere ???
Very interested on getting more out of my nox 800 great vid. I subbed
Awesome, thank you!
Notching out to 9 and 10 will also reject gold jewelry. I don't think I want to do that. I know this is a custom coin program, but notching out gold.?
Jake like you pointed out this is a custom program for coins. If you wanted to hunt for jewelry you obviously wouldn't want to do that. Thanks for the comment.
I suppose I could switch back and forth from my saved profile to Park 1.
Thanks for your reply. Your vids are really good. Keep'em coming.
Thanks man I appreciate that!
Just subbed. Noticed the Acadia hat. I live just a few miles from there! Are you in Maine?
No I'm from MD. I toured that area about 2 years ago and loved it. You live in a very beautiful place my friend. Thanks for the sub.
What coil are you using?
Most of the time I use the stock 11. But I like small coiltek as well.
I can't adjust my first zone past 9. How do I get it to 11?
You have to follow my guide step by step or you won't be able to. Here is the written version. I mention why you can't move past 9 in the first section called: "Setting up Tone Breaks by Section" mentalmetaldetecting.com/does-the-andy-sabisch-coin-program-really-work/
@@MentalMetal Thank you for your help, all is good!
Take that back obviously his book but which setting is it can’t find one with his name to it just others
I dont have the book in front of me I think it was the first one on page 71 perhaps. Here are my tweaks to his program. mentalmetaldetecting.com/does-the-andy-sabisch-coin-program-really-work/
I live in Canada and tonight tried Andy's coin program and am sad to say that it definitely does not work on Canadian clad in the soil conditions where I hunted. I'm thinking it should maybe be named the USA coin program if it works there. It was slightly better when I changed to 40 khz which is where I normally run Park 2, but Park 2 was way more effective for me.
Sorry to hear that.
Scott what does the 314 signify
ahhh great question. My Birthday :-)
You going to do some new tips using XP Deus ?
At some point once the snow melts here, I will probably dive back into the Deus. I still think its a great machine and holds its value for certain conditions.
@@MentalMetal thanks that be good to see them when you have them as looking to get to know deus more currently have 11 x35 coil.
not sure if should get another coil yet, i do pain to go on Roman sites and iron age places .
i was going to get nox 800 first but went for deus mainly as light out the box and foldable and also the x and y screen is pretty handy and also the tones seemed better as more adjustments .
I do plain to do beach as well but may use cheaper machine for that then get nox later on when theres deals on 15inch coil
for the nox would you ever use the 6inch coil or not really worth it
if you have a deus coil have is 11inch x35
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Have you ever tried a ctx3030 as was interested in deep deep machine to go over pasutre land as well which deus may have missed stuff
or get 15inch and nox
and try out multi mode.
ctx3030 come up used so sometimes close to a nox new price
so looking at which would be best if you have deus already.
beach and more depth on land was one thing been looking into.
or get a vanquish which is cheaper and may as well just do as good for beach stuff
Phew a lot of questions and I'll do my best to answer them. I do have the Deus but I do not own the X35 coil I have the older stock 11" but I purchased the 9" HF coil and really like it. Just wish it was bigger. Would I ever use the 6" coil for the Nox? Yes, I have a couple of sites where it would be interesting to see what it would do. However, with standard 11" coil on the Nox, you can adjust the recovery speed which will get you most of what you need. I think the 6" will help in conjunction with the recovery speed options. I have never used a CTX 3030. The 15 inch coil for the Nox will get you some more depth but it is more for coverage area. Right now, if I was in your shoes and I wanted a machine that will work well on the beach and exceptionally well on land, I would go for a Nox. Its waterproof whereas the Vanquish isn't. I've used the Deus on the beach and can find targets but I also took the Nox to the same beach last year and found 6 rings in 4 days. I only ever found 3 rings in 6 years going to the same beach using the Deus. The Nox is a beast on the beach. My Deus is now the machine I use when I need to pack lite or hunt in areas where there is a lot of iron (old house sites etc.) Its a better relic machine than the Nox in my opinion which is why I'll never get rid of it.
@@MentalMetal Thanks for pointing out Deus is good for relic when things was open i did go on plough fields which was iron heavy i would say as found alot when i used a different machine , i do aim to try deus more when digs start again and test it on same field most used nox and Garrett machines
some pretty sure was old house on one site as loads of nails and some big post dug up as well .
im mainly looking for old coin stuff currently and maybe ww2 relic stuff as well. found few army buttons with deus so far which was good.
one field is quite so looking to get better on it with deus if you have any tips let me know. its not been ploughed for at least 32 years prob longer which is why was interested in deeper maybe.
few horse shoes and buttons and bits of lead so far found. and one bit of silver so far.
Does this setting work with the 600 also ? Bought mine from Andy before they left Michigan.
I don't believe you will be able to set up the tones like you can in the 800 but most of the settings you can.
@@MentalMetal thanks. i was looking at that last night. Which program is the one youre talking about in the video ? There is more than one. If you can reference the page number from his book i can find it that way.
@@MentalMetal right.. they say there no difference in the 600 & 800 only the gold program but with all the changes you can do with the 800 and not the 600 I think there's. Lot of difference just my opinion
look on 2.50 min in your video ,looks like you missed one ,is laying there in .look good.great video thanks
Thanks!
Beautiful hunting. Hello from Albania..illyria
Hello to you as well thanks for watching!
What do you run your sensitivity at for this setting?
I try and run it as high as I can before the machine become unstable. 20-23 for me.
@@MentalMetal Thank you I am still learning my equinox 600, I have been running the sensitivity on the default which may be around 7. Now that I have turned it up I am getting used to so many more potential target signals. Different ball game now
Awesome, running it high put more power in the ground.
Love me Eq600 but man I wish it had the 800 programability. Gold mode I don't care much about but give me the other zones.
Yep the 800 does have some major advantages but the Nox will find what the 800 does too so I wouldn't worry too much about it. You still made a great choice.
Funny thing happens when you stack 3 half dollars together, the machine stops singing. I stack 2 and it picks it up in the 40 id. What gives?
no clue but then again thats not typically how you would find coins especially 3 half dollars LOL. Thats an interesting test though. Sorry I wish I had more to say on that.
17-19? Discrimination Indians ring up 18 on my 600 but so do bottle caps/ head stamps in park2 I also run sensitivity at 18 recovery speed at 2 pretty much stock settings 50 tone
Same here I've had the 18 19 20. My barber dime rang up 21 22. I've noticed changing settings messes with vdi on target's.
Remember this program is for the 800 in Park 1. I don't own a 600 to give it a good test to see what you can and can't change without some of the advanced options. Also park 2 will be different as the algorithm reacts more favorably for larger targets like jewelry where as park 1 is better for the small high conductive targets.
If my brain is working up to par then this program isnt going to do much more than make a mans ear understand and hear a good tone from a bad on coin range vdi's. basically giving all coin vdi ranges a higher tone and all non coin vdi numbers lower volume and pitch and muting the tone and the volume on bad or iffy ones basically. This Equinox basically adjust and sets up like many other machines I had in the past. Just new menu to learn and sounds to get familiar with and new vdi ranges to memorize. It Is a good new tech machine!!! I think the reason so many ATPROS sold is very few settings and easy to learn. Tried one myself. like many have said felt like a Childs toy. Gosh the old whites spectrum is the one that whipped me learning back 20 year ago.
I would not disagree on anything you just said to be honest. But the mult-iq really puts this machine in a different category compared to the other vlf machines. I do wish it was more rugged though. Thanks for your thoughts.
@@MentalMetal Totally Agreed Id buy it all over again too . no machine is a magic stick its location location location. Well that a trained ear and a good back too. A man can detect all he wants on a putt putt golf fairway and probably never find old silver. lol . Agreed again the multi IQ is where its at along with being fast. I wish they would do a little tech stealing and make it wireless where your just carrying a stick with a hoop on the end like some other players I've seen lol. I would like to jump on a fast plane go down under and Tell those Aussies at coilteck ok boys do like us yanks get your tails to work n lets make some product. I want a 5x10 so so bad! I even paid 270 bucks for one I found on The Zon just to get a email saying oops the listing was error ugh!
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I like your red scarf.....
The proper term is my friend is my Minelab neck gator LOL. I got it at the last DIV.
susceptibal?!? what is that? lol ;)
To much work for just starting out with the Nox
Well to be honest, you wouldn't be using that program until you have about 100 hours on the machine. It is a very easy machine to use out of the box.
I dig deep Indians that ring up 15 16 17.