How NOT to End a Show | The Flash Season 9
Вставка
- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- #theflash #dc #thecw
Get an exclusive Surfshark deal! Enter promo code GIODEAL for an extra 3 months free at surfshark.deals/giodeal
On October 7th of 2014 the world was introduced to The Flash TV show. It ran for close to 10 years and while it had some incredible highs its lows where practically in the earth’s core. So with its final season airing in 2023 the stakes were high to leave an impact. But To understand what I’m about to tell you, you need to do something first. You need to believe in the impossible. Can you do that? Good, because before watching The final Season of The Flash. I thought it was Impossible to have an ending to a series, be this bad. For Context The Flash follows Barry Allen as he uses his superspeed to fight crime, and protect his home of Central City. Or at least he tries to as he’s pretty bad at it. The show was actually really beloved during the first few seasons, but over time there has been a nose dive in quality. With each new season getting worse as the writers never learn from their prior mistakes. And you know what they say, those that don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it, bringing us to the Flash season 9. It’s one thing if this was a one season dumpster fire of a show like Naomi. But The Flash has been on the air for almost a decade, so you’d expect the final season to be a well thought out love letter to the series. In reality what we got was a rushed mess that disrespected or sidelined important characters, wasted time with pointless episodes, and didn’t end any character’s story in a satisfying way that felt earned. Like I’m legitimately stunned, that this was the season we got. nine years leading to this trainwreck. So how did this travesty happen? Well get comfortable because there are more problems here than there are in SAT PRACTICE BOOK. So we got a lot of ground to cover to fully explain why The Flash’s Final season is the perfect example of how NOT to end a show.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:20 SurfShark
3:25 A Timeloop Disaster
5:29 The Downfall of Caitlin Snow & Khione
9:18 Team Flash's C-Team
11:57 The Red Death is a Joke
24:16 MORE STUPID FILLER
28:24 The Return of Green Arrow
38:11 Finale pt 1: Reverse Flash Stupidity
46:53 Finale pt 2: The Negative Speedforce is Braindead
50:32 Finale pt 3: Cecile Ruins Everything
58:52 Finale pt 4: An Unearned Finale
1:07:28 My Final Thoughts on The Flash
Thanks For the Help:
Madvocate: / @madvocate
Skye: / @skyespixru
Jeb: / jebsuspended
My Social Media Links:
Twitter: / giogo35
Instagram: / giogo35
Patreon: www.patreon.com/user?u=60767453 - Розваги
Get an exclusive Surfshark deal! Enter promo code GIODEAL for an extra 3 months free at surfshark.deals/giodeal
can i have your chair
Ok.
Well now that the flash is dead and buried how about adding Supergirl to the mix?
Here is an idea the negative speed force is made of the reverse flashes who hated the flash and perished trying to kill him resulting in a bunch of "hateful ghosts" polluting the speedforce which means Barry cannot win since beating the avatar of the negative speed force will do nothing and more evil speedsters will keep coming after him.
Solution 1 Barry kills himself thus striping the negative speed force of a reason to be.
Solution 2 Barry makes the avatar of the negative speed force not reject it but rather become a flash himself thus immploding it and creating a perfect timeline for Barry free of reverse flashes accross time.
Superspeed, even on the level of original Quicksilver (200mph, reflexes roughly ten times faster than normal) is a pretty unbeatable superpower. How do you engage with someone when you're moving in slow motion (or not at all in Barry's case) relative to them?
Apparently Olivers abilities as The Spectre includes radiating good writing in the episode he appears in.
LMAO. Agreed.
That would explain why the later seasons of the flash are so horrible
I think it had something to do with Eric Wallace not having anything to do with that episode.
I'm pretty sure it was a different team of writers doing that episodes. I will not be fooled into thinking writers who were writing crap since the start suddenly had a good idea
@@Saiko0001 The writers who wrote that episode had been working on the show since season 4. They joined the same time as Eric Wallace.
The Cecile Horton Show got an amazing series finale! I hope one day we'll get a Flash spin-off with Barry Allen as the lead
Ahhh DKM please!!😂😂 SOO TRUEE
Bro, this made me crack up so hard lmaaaao. But you sure it is not the Iris west show? kind of feels like barry died ever since she say "you are not the flash, WE ARE THE FLASH"
The best part is, she is a nobody... a lawyer who once represented Wally in the comics. How the hell did they spin off someone like that into a main character, while people like Firestorm got written out?
@@SwiftNimblefoot i feel like firestorm only got out so that they can throw him into TLOT
Yeah but maybe a better Barry, who actually acts like that cool dude in the comics, and not this useless, whiny, b*tch (no offense to Grant Gustin ofc. He didn’t write this crap)
I remember back in the days of 2014-16 my friends and I would sit around cafeteria table hypothesizing how this series would end. Believing it would come down between one last race against Barry and Thawne as they battle through Crisis on Infinite Earths, with Flash ending with Barry sacrificing himself……….yeah I had my standards way too high for this show
Lol sad
I’m pretty sure even a good show wouldn’t have had something like that.
@@creed8712 yeah that’s true, but a good show at least has….you know…….an impactful ending for a series that lasted for nearly 10 years
@@joeker5208 honestly I can’t blame them that much. The doughnut running the show wanted his Oc’s in everything and I bet the budget for everything dried up very very quick the moment Victor Zaslav realized the CW doesn’t actually make any money and nobody likes the shows
The trajectory at that time you wouldn’t have been crazy for thinking that.
Finally the cast of The Flash is free. I'd love to see them in shows that are, you know, good.
Right! I feel like grant gustin is a pretty good actor of giving the chance and this show rarely did that. Like the time the flash went back yo save his mom but instead took of his mask and just talked to her was a phenomenal scene tbu
I've seen Grant and Danielle in other projects and they're incredibly talented. It's a shame they were here.
Hey this show is the best I love this show it doesn’t deserve the hate
The fact that Cecile had more character development and more plot towards her than Barry in the final season is outrageous
That's the nerd's fault.
Part of that could be blamed on Grant getting Covid but that wouldn’t explain why they shifted focus towards Cecile
Eric is a simp for Cecile clearly
@@suzygirl1843 I know, I've seen her in better roles, this is an example of how NOT to write a character, Eric clearly wanted her from how she stood out in the intros to how she keep interjecting and expressing her "feelings" of people onto others constantly and confusing growing powerset........ugh
She's been on the scene since Family Matters, so she's not new, therefore her role here can be swept under the dirt as other roles she's had get noticed more
@@ninjanibba4259 No. You're wrong. Eric wanted Iris West to be a main character like Barry but the fan backlash from S3 Savitar was enough for Candice Patton to want to leave. So Eric gave all the Iris West storylines from S4 to Cecile. Think about it: why give a tertiary character at the time, a pregnancy storyline when that baby is of no consequence. We never see baby Jenna. S7 Force storylines would make more sense if that was Nora and Bart. They'd be 2 or 3 years developing powers by then
I am genuinely baffled.
Here's the main issues I found with the finale
-khione is a god, how and why?
-Cecile is more powerful than several speedsters and the entire negative speed force
-savitar is stupid
-godspeed is stupid
-zoom is stupid
-reverse flash lost 200 iq points
-Eddie has the emotional maturity of a toddler
-negative speed force IS a toddler
-Barry didn't win a single fight
-iris has the intelligence of a dumb bird
-the entire final battle ended in about 5 minutes, each fight lasting a minute or less
F. This. Show.
If you consider that the show ended in season 3 with Barry going to the Speed Force makes everything perfect. The first 2 seasons are the only good seasons of The Flash, but season 3 has to be included because has the true ending of Barry's arc.
Season 3 was fire. An alter ego of himself. After that it went downhill. Devoe was mid but not terrible secada was abusulute trash and the rest after are unbearable to watch.@@marciofilho2137
keep in mind, all the past villains were revived by Thawne who had suffered some amnesia and thusmay have forgotten some of the details of their powers...that and they had to end the arc in less than one episode....
@@hawktriad thawne never met savitar or zoom or godspeed, why bring them back at all if he's never met them? Or know who they are
@@thespectre01 i mean except for the part where they are all villains flash would have met in the future where eobard thawne is from and has visited the flash museum in the future detailing all of the villains barry allen fought? yeah totally has no clue about flashes other villains when hes from the future. shows still shit but at least shittalk it for its problems and dont make up stuff to shittalk it for
Episode 9 may have been the best episode because it was directed by Danielle Panabaker (Caitlin). She understood the characters, and was able to create a poetic ending for some. She may have had some insight on the script as well
Eric Wallace moment
Episode 10 I would say is the best because we finally go to see what happened when Barry’s mom died but episode 9 is amazing to
I love when someone gives the director the entire credit and ignores the actual writers.
Daniel Panabaker(Aka Caitlin/frost/kione) directed episode 9 According to my research and she always directed the better episodes which explains why the episode was so good, I mean, returning wally, oliver, John, and having Daniel be the director is a formula for greatness
I don't know, her episodes in season 7 & 8 kinda sucked, but it's true that her season 5, 6 and 9 episodes were better than average. Plus, Grant Gustin started doing more of his own stunts the first time she directed, which is nice.
G.I.Gio manages to make a more earned ending to his flash season reviews than the writers did with the actual show
Possessed Nora *starts monologuing instead of killing Barry*
Cecile: "Man, you really ARE the Flash's daughter......."
It's kind of amazing how bad the Flash ended. I had no delusions that this series was suddenly going to have a very good season(given the writers involved haven't shown themselves to be capable) but man, what a joke of a season/ finale. It's pretty fitting how this series is over, and the end of an era; an era of superhero TV that helped propagate the comic book media boom we saw ten years ago. And now we're seeing the decline in real time. I hope that Grant Gustin knows that it was never his(or any of the cast's) fault for why this series was bad. And that he can do good things after this. And thank you, G.l for covering this series throughout the years. Hopefully, one day the Flash can be adapted well.
It really is a shame. And we probably aren’t gonna get any new Flash thing for another 5 years minimum. But I’ll say it was really Fun making these videos. Hope you enjoy this one
Even if this wasn't made by the CW I still feel like it would be difficult to write a show about the flash due to how OP he could be.
@@stickthelanding4785they could go the Smallville route and have Barry or Wally Gradually develop increase his speed and have learn certain abilities slower
@@Lulu-ew7ohyeah that’s one of the best ways to write flash. You have to nerf his speed a bit in order to make the writing make sense.
@@stickthelanding4785 to be fair even when he first came around his speed wasn’t as busted as it is now In the comics
At least the Arrow episode was good
Damn straight
And the full circle episode
they copied the scene in resident evil vendetta where leon and chris fought a horde.
So was this one
@@thesmellofadventure5370It was not full circle.
Caitlin didn’t just appear in the pilot she appeared in the Arrow episode that set up the Flash
No lol it was a random cameo to set up for the flash not actually the 2 episodes that were a back door pilot
@@roypalmer69 She appeared didn’t she
They could have explained in season 9 that Eddie being alive in any certain way is the reason why eobard keeps appearing every season of the show. For khione they could have just used Frost hair to genetically forced grow another version of frost that way they wouldn't have to kill Caitlin but instead they chose to just use Caitlin's body and make a new entity.
Ayo you got a point
Khione was a huge letdown for me. I honestly thought they were going for a route of killer frost. I thought once she got into the chamber to create khione it would’ve created the actual killer frost from comics.
I think Madvocate will be happy to find out, that he doesn't have to do a TFIII for season 9, because G.I. Gio (basically) did it for him.
lol yep,i realized that too
Honestly I'm cool if he doesn't cover season 5 I think he made his point about the first few seasons.
According to IMDb season 9 episode 9 was written by Geoff Johns and directed by Danielle Panabaker so that probably explains why that episode was so good. (Geoff Johns wrote the flashpoint comic books for context.)
I'm confused. If they establish an episode where Wally can project his consciousness into different universes using the speed force, it's kind of weird but I'll accept it since Wally is a speedster. Why give that exact power to a different random character whose main power set was emotion manipulation?? Why not just use Wally again????
trueee, alteratively, couldnt have not caitlin done so too.
Creator's pet, that's why.
...why Caitlin? She doesn't have any powers at all. Plus she wasn't even in this season except at the end @@marocat4749
I still believe that the real finale of The Flash whole series should be about Barry fighting Thawne one last time, as Thawne then figures out The Flash's identity, goes back in time to kill him, and Barry follows him to save himself as a child and finally letting go of the past one last time, before he leaves Thawne trapped in the past, thus ending the circle
or Eddie becoming the new Reverse Flash?? (with good writing of course)
I love the madvocate style edits added to this video like the new challenger approaches, and the office scene where they all take a shot
Agreed.
Oh no, this is way too short for Madvocate.
@@ginge641 this video is longer than all of madvocates at the exception of his new season 3 video, what are you talking about?
@@CinnamonBobI think u meant to say his Season 4 review (which is 3 hrs goddamn that was long).
@@ThisDude234 I did mean to say season 4, you right
Eric Wallace did say he wanted to make the show his own, and Crisis is the perfect opportunity to do that. He successfully did it i guess.
I've seen Wattpad shipping fanfictions have better writing than season 9 of the Flash.
Honestly gonna have to read fix it fanfiction after this
The Oliver episode should have been the finale and the perfect send off to the entire Arrowverse
I got an idea to bring back Frost. They could’ve brought back her consciousness and have her combine with Caitlyn and have them be like Firestorm. It would both be a callback to the first season and a new twist on Killer Frost, since they wanted to bring her so badly but had nothing for her to do. At least I think it’d be an interesting change.
The reason bloodwork escaped is because there was some comic book that was in the same universe as the show, and bloodwork escaped at the end of it, and that led up to season 9. The comic books are in between seasons im pretty sure.
"Time keeps dragging on and on
And on"
The Ballad of Barry Allen
What makes the Red Death arc worse s that it was hyped up and teased all the way back in season 5 , and many people including me ,were looking looking forward to finally seeing batman, or even arrow as the red death. I was really excited to see the red death because he is such a menacing villain, i was also looking forward to the introduction of the dark multiverse...and then we got this.
Your use of batwoman throwing up as a reaction clip is so funny 😭 please keep it in future videos
What they did with red death was such a punch in the face. Genuinely one of the coolest characters ever. For context in the comics red death is Bruce Wayne. In that story Batman’s villains go absolutely crazy they all just start reaking havok on Gotham. Batman is older and he realizes that the only way he can defeat is to kill them all. But he also realizes that he’s not strong enough to defeat them. So he tries to enlist Barry to help him ambit Barry refuses. So Bruce decides to steal barry’s powers. So he outfits his Batmobile with a cosmic treadmill. He is able to capture Barry and he straps him to the hood of the Batmobile. He connects him to the Batmobile to siphon his powers. Batman then floors it and like a scene from back to the future the Batmobile disappears in a flash of lightning and fire. And then all of a sudden something appears. And it’s the most bad ass looking character ever. Batman was successful and became the red death. So Batman basically goes on a killing spree however in the process of combing the flash with himself Bruce can now hear barry’s voice in his head. Barry is still alive and aware of what’s happening.
They took an incredible character like that and made it a fucking joke
Holy shit, that sounds AWESOME. Terrifying, but awesome.
Red Death also sucked as a concept, though. Batman's not willing to kill, but he's willing to torture his best friends?
For real
There is a justification to why Barry was trying to convince thawne to not kill his mom. It’s that the future that thawne is from is one where Barry’s mom is still alive. So you can assume that our timeline’s Barry could have tried to not break his from his cover because thawne has no idea that this Barry is not his timeline’s Barry. I was struggling so much to explain that so I’m hoping you could understand it😅😅
Thawne knows it's not 'his' Flash (who received his powers much later in the timeline where Thawne is from).
@@enoyna1001 how? Barry didn’t do anything to blow his cover, and Thawne seemed to have no reason to think it wasn’t his flash
@@GDLYxDriDri beside being a few couple of years younger?
@@poijnve3912yeah he looks younger but thawne didn’t seem to notice since he’s only seen Barry with the mask on. Unless he’d have a concerning amount of wrinkles on his lower face
@@GDLYxDriDri still he will look younger tho
G.I Gio this is my Final Paper on the CW
The CW adapts characters from already established property to a real world. But the problem is that they dont know the direction to create charecters, or how to write a basic plot. A great example is Laurel lance earth 1 with her developing for a character fron olivers girl friend to the black Canary. And instead of developing that they kill her off because she did not have a place in the plot beacuse they dont know how to adapt characters. And the problem with CW plots is that they either are two short, they just exist for no reason , and the onlu episodes yhat really matter now is the crossovers. And the final main problem is creating new characters to support the already existing class. An example of this is kione( or what ever he name is) she setves nothing to the plot and just fills the void of killer frost and katlyn with out the emotional depth, and the thing i hated about her whole creation was that Barry faced no blame for what happened yo killer frost. Then there are instance were shipping just takes over the plot, like olicity filler and that one time stealer episode that served no purpose to the plot. I may not have seen full season 9 of the flash, but when a plot gets so boring that majes you want to fall asleep, in bot staying for that ride. I said my piece and I am out of cw ology. See you next semester Professor Gio.
I think they only killed Laurel Lance for two main reasons:
1) For shock value
2) To hammer home that the Ollicity ship was "endgame"
I strongly believe in the latter, as by Season 3 or so, they could not help themselves but cater to the shipping crowd.
@@mariokarthero1997 Nah, the comic nerds were insufferable, their anti-social behavior made things worse. Producers don't like it when you force them to do things for you; it's bad form. Famous case is Snyderverse, that was a bad campaign and cemented that Warners Bros the Corporation would never acknowledge it... ever. This is the first time we saw fans man-handle a business but you're supposed to butter them up, not antagonize them. When Shadowhunters faced cancellation, the fandom bought a billboard and a plane to advertise the show... and they got ONE more season.
I couldn’t agree with this paper more. A+ . There are so many characters they could have further developed but as soon at they reach a point that the writers run out of ideas they just abandon them and move on to create a new one. God so infuriating. Great work. Class dismissed
@@GIGio_Official Thank you, but at least they did not mees up Star Girl, if that's technically a win.
Am I the only one who is wondering how Barry knows about the Cosmic Treadmill. The only time this was used before was by Godspeed In the Future. It literally hasn’t been made yet.
Cosmic treadmill was in the crisis on infinite earths crossover
@@erichauser2017 That wasn't the cosmic treadmill, it was just a treadmill used in the Anti Matter Cannon. Besides even if it was it was never named that and was erased from time shortly after.
That transition to the sponser was so smooth I didn't even see it coming, unlike how a villian can notice the flash
I’m surprised you didn’t mention how Savoyard went don so easily, the dude was played out to be the god of speed and insanely powerful able to easily take down several speedsters only to get taken down with a single stab
a stab that didn't even pierce his armor!
As someone who used to watch this show, it's a shame how it ended. Though at least you gave me a fun time with this video, so that's worth something. Excellent work, man! ^^
You can tell he's finally watched madvocate's videos
Edit
OH SHIT HE MADE A CAMEO
After the colossally detrimental endings of Lost, HIMYM and Game of Thrones, I don't believe anyone knows how to end a TV show 😂😂😂😂
Still prefer Agent of shield ending.
Whats HIMYM?
@@sammydray5919 How I macked yo mama
How I met Your Mother
If you think the Lost ending is as bad as the endings of these shows, you are absolutely dumb. Lost finale perfectly explained the reason why everyone was reunited in the island and how this reunion connected them until "afterlife" in some kind of purgatory. You could argue whether they did not explain this and that throughout the show, but the end was constructed in such a way that only dumb people wouldnt understand it and like it.
One thing that really hurt the ending was that Grant got covid during the filming of the finale, so they had to cut a lot of the ending out
The reason he “tried to convince Thawne to stop” is as an act because he knows that no matter what Thawne will go through with it and nothing will change. He didnt actually expect his arch-enemy who hates his entire existence to not go through with killing his younger self given the chance. Other than that ur entire video is valid and I love it.
it was to sell the lie that he's unaware of what's gonna happen
in truth
he knew all along
18:17 Barry actually says Khione and not Caitlin, it's a bit hard to notice but he does say Khione.
Honestly feels like a yanny/laurel thing, where you hear whatever you're thinking.
@@diegogonzalez5273 if you boost the volume and listen carefully, he does say khione. But the way he says it makes it sound like caitlin.
I was kinda hoping the team of Evil Speeders would immediately turn on each other and continue their own plans
Future Time Remnant Barry/Savitar was a perfect candidate for that.
@@YuzuMelodiousSomething like this was planned but they unfortunately couldn't do a lot with Savitar because Grant was tested positive for covid. That's also the reason why we don't see him unmasked.
@@gwaredric2502 Understandable.
Zoom could've stolen every other Speedsters powers and inserted those powers in himself.
Just to make himself The Fastest Man Alive, just like he spent all of Season 2 trying to do.
Lol negative speed force was trying to herd cats
Several things, first Bloodwork's powers include being able to access other people's memories which we saw him do in season 6. Second, Bloodwork did not have to know Wally was there, he could have shown up for Barry and then changed his plan once he realized Wally would be more susceptible. Third, Eric Wallace had nothing to do with the episode, that is why it was so good.
Edit: Almost forgot, Barry has known Thawne for nine years at this point, it is not that hard to believe that he knew that speech would not work.
Lastly, I talked with someone else about this a while back and Barry talking Eddie down is not that much of a problem. Eddie is one of Barry's oldest friends and was actually a good person that fell to the dark side (pun intended). The problem people have is that this was overused in the show but this was one of the few instances it makes sense. That said, something that could have been better was if they had Thawne highjack Eddie's plan, forcing Eddie to work with Barry in order to stop them. Also making Eddie the Red Death instead of Cobalt Blue as that would have hit harder.
I personally feel like him being Cobalt Blue makes more sense, but I completely agree with everything else.
Honestly if the Arrowverse were allowed to use Batman and had good characterization and a relationship with Barry then we could have a proper Red Death
Something I found really hilarious is that Eddie and Iris's daughter looks exactly like Nora lmao
They don't even know how basic genetics work! 💀💀
Nah Iris' genes are just THAT potent.
Didnt u see her hair color ??? She only gets the hair color from the father
@@kmkarthik1002Black dominates blond genes so Nora would have black/brown hair never blond. Brown eyes dominate blue recessive gene.
@@5pointview717 i think that in humans genetics Is much more complicated than that, but they literally only changed her hair colour... bruhhhh
Iris took the whole thing 💀💀
7:02 ya i was shook too when they killed Kaitlin off screen , i didn't take them seriously until a few
"are you really serious " moments later
Way back at the very first episode of the series, I thought Rick Cosnett looked a whole lot more like the Barry Allen of the comics than Grant Gustin did. So I was glad to see Rick back at the end of the series becoming a speedster himself. (And, of course Grant was a fantastic Barry!)
That comment Gio made about Rhodey is just funny considering what the show runner said about Rhodey's appearance within Secret Invasion
The real question is when Barry went to the future where was the resurrected Caitlin in the future
That was an amazing video. Not just the analysis itself, but the effort in to the editing and everything. Fantastic job. I hated season 9. H.A.T.E.D it! 3 filler eps that could have been used to create a better finale was one of my biggest gripes, but hey, we saw Oliver Queen come back in a great episode. My biggest gripe? Cecile projects her mind to 2049...AND NO ONE HAS AGED! Chester, Alegra and Cecile all look the same. Also, if Cecile was on Team XS at that point, she would be in her 60s or 70s. Though she does pull the leather look pants off quite well.......BUT IT DIGRESS!
That's what i thought!! I mean, could be some tech in the future, but ain't no way they didn't look like they aged a single year
She probably absorbed a power that lets her affect the age of everyone she wants
@@MaskakoBlackmost likely an ability she absorbed letting her affect the ages of anyone she wants 😂
I think one of the most interesting things read deaths plan would’ve worked, even if the cosmic treadmill idea worked because of how DC timelines work because once a diversion point happens and that timeline goes on for long enough, it basically becomes its own separate dimension so she wouldn’t need to help someone like gypsy if she wanted to get back to her place, not time travel
I would like to add that if Jay Garrick temporarily stole Eddie's Negative Speed Force, doesn't that mean that the Negative Speed Force should affect him ? Like Negative Speed Force litteraly dampen the Speed Force of a speedster so imagine if you absorbed it.
Barry took thawne’s speed away in the comics and he never lost his speed
Oliver had to come back and remind everyone it's not the Flashverse but the Arrowverse. Was a miracle to have gotten that good of an episode. I am happy Matt got to do Reverse Flash one last time, prefer him over Tom. It is sad the show went out on a disappointing or at least a kind of low note.
Also what in the world were the writers thinking with Khione ex machina, and Cecile.
one last thing: @1:01:20 its made worse when you realise that Nora (XS) goes "shway" after killing an alternate timeline version of her father and that's the end of it. she isn't troubled at all about it
makes you wonder if she even KNOWS Savitar is a version of Barry. If they were gonna do a showdown for those two...surely they could have a little back-and-forth about that??
@@violetlavi2207I guess 5x08 just got erased out of your memory.
Let me remind you that Nora LITERALLY SAW Savitar OUT OF HIS SUIT, when Barry AND Nora traveled to the point in time where Savitar died.
She saw that Future Barry WAS Savitar.
@@Exit911YT …I remember 5x8 just fine, thanks. But let ME remind you that s9 Nora is DIFFERENT from s5 Nora. Maybe that got erased from YOUR memory
@@violetlavi2207 Well I still believe S9 Nora still has the memories of S5 Nora.
@@Exit911YT you can believe that if you want, headcanons are great, but it’s not canon 😂
The "retcon" that you speak of is the actual origin from the comic lore. It's really not a retcon, but an in-depth explanation of the first origin given on the show, since it wasn't really detailed
While you're right. Honestly the way it WAS mentioned made a bit more sense. Adding this for context seems more like a joke, especially how it was implemented.
If they wanted to get rid of Caitlin, shouldn’t they have just re-merged her and Frost in order to revive them as Khione?
1:01:57 The correct answer is C, because I'm a speedster and can move faster than someone can think. So technically speed duplicates would be unnecessary.
did Nora just glaze over stabbing a version of her father? that's like the perfect moment to have an actually justified classic CW Flash's talk no jutsu
they fr gave every speedster menace of every season the villain of the week treatment, or even less
honestly, iris packing heat was the closest thing to a sensible way of dealing with a criminal the flash tv show did in every season past 4-5
and with the whole "Caitlyns Right" thing is just an auditory trick cause in the scene it can be heard as "Caitlyn's Right" and "Kione's Right"
This is indeed one of your greatest videos, Gio. It truly does convey how much of an atrocious ending the final season really is, which of course isn't surprising after all the damage and disingenuous storytelling The Flash has done over the years. I'm not sure if I ever went into detail on how much this show has negatively affected me, especially when I was a loyal fan when it first began 9 years ago. Even if seasons 1 and 2 aren't well written and I wouldn't say they are the best superhero content, I still those first two seasons for being a nostalgic piece of my early teenage years and they exposed me to the world of live-action television. As the show went on, I started to get bored and exhausted, but what I didn't realize that the problems were worse than boredom. The show on every level from plot to characters since season 3 is an abomination that just disgusts me and is one of the worst things I've known in my entire life. Every time I watched a new episode since season 7, I felt nothing but a hollow feeling from what I'm seeing on screen and it just crushes my soul. What's worse is I seem to find myself thinking about the many atrocious aspects if this show and I'm more than happy that it's finally over. But now, I'm determined to correct what this show has destroyed. I'm planning to rewrite the entire show from beginning to end. I'm making small changes to seasons 1 and 2, but I'm completely remaking the rest of the show from the ground up. Different plots, different main villains and a different production studio than the CW for better effects and acting. For example, I'm going to make Wally more accurate to his Kid Flash comic counterpart and have the Wally we got be Wallace West in the future. Another change I'm making is have Caitlin be Killer Frost without the split personality, but she's not really a villain and will be more so a tragic antagonist with sympathetic motives. Also, I plan to have season 6 to be the final season and have the Red Death be an antagonist......but he'll be Bruce Wayne from an alternate earth like from the comic.
With that all said, another great video. I'll conclude by saying this to the minds who made the many poor decisions in this show......."Cartman voice" Screw you guys, I'm going home!
18:15 Bro Barry's clearly saying "Khione" 😂
Bro when I saw 36:21 where he saids as if not have of rodeos there I was like well rodeos wasn’t there it was a skrull
CW's Flash may have got worse over the years, but your videos, Gio, they've improved and got better. Thank you for entertaining me for so many years and saving me time from watching the show. We can learn from Flash's mistakes and dream of how it could've been so much better. I still hold on to good memories of Season 1 & 2
Can we talk about the non comic reader who probably had no idea why Barry gave his powers to three random people? I had to look up explanations and stuff for that one.
It had such a strong beginning. And yet it ended in the most embarrassing way possible. The Flash is a series that part of me regrets that I’ve stuck with for 9 years.
Reverse Flash: You want to know why the show sucked with the final season being disappointing. It was me Barry. I was the one who got the original director fired and replaced with one who didn't know what he was doing and made Ezra Miller do what he did. It was all my doing.
I think you should have Eddie kill joe as a symbolic way to end the character and to show how evil Eddie’s become
what did joe do??? he's still a great character and should honestly kill one of the pointless side characters like..
*cecile*
and im not talking about chester because he's just cisco but played by a different actor because carlos left
@@Riciliz let me ask you this would you care if Cecile died no you would care if joe died
@@Superjonny04 *cecile
and honestly they made joe so insignificant to the point that you only care about him because of previous seasons
@@Riciliz exactly so why not just cut him out it would add more depth to Cecile and the season as a whole and would also make fans care again
My problem with Cecil, on top of what already was mentioned, was that she always announced she could feel whatever emotion was being felt. The other members of the team already know her powers & they added that sound for us viewers to know when her power activates. So she doesn’t need to announce it all the time. She’s always announcing “I feel…or I senses…sudden waive of *enter any emotion*….“. I get it makes sense in some scenarios, but it got so annoying when she would say it nearly every time she used her powers. Just mentioned the emotion you’re feeling without making a big announcement about it. She would be so extra with some times🤦♂️.
The writers were playing 4d Chess with the sole goal to piss everybody off.
Finally, I have waited for so long for this
Hope you will enjoy
Not that the show established it well, but in the comics the Cosmic Treadmill is perfectly capable of multiverse travel. Each universe has a unique vibrational signature the speedsters can detect, so the machine just sets that and you align with the proper place. Alternate timelines and parallel realities are identical in this respect.
exactly.
45:15 I feel like the reason barry "tried" convincing thawne not to kill his mother, was to actually cement her death. He knew he wouldn't be able to convince thawne, but he still had to pretend like he didn't know Thawne was gonna fail
Mistake one. Forcing Barry and Iris as the end game couple way to early. Fans of the show HATE this pairing it’s way to forced, Barry/Grant as more chemistry with literally every other woman in the show.
I was so afraid of the CW giving Oliver Queen the same crappy return Marvel gave Daredevil on She-Hulk. But, thankfully, they gave Arrow the respect he deserved. But not even HE could save this trash season.
How many powers should Cecile Horton have?
Eric Wallace: “Y E S”
12:39 So this was suppose to be "BatFlash". However, since they could not use Batman or Bruce Wayne under this alias in the way the comics portrayed him, as a villain outside of the last crossover, ta-daaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...
21:23 Oh, crap! You're right! That was the last thing he did before he took a new job in Argus Labs.
36:19 (Mentions Rhodey while seeing Endgame scene and sucks in teeth) Yeaaaaaaaaaah... (-__-) About that scene...
40:12 The very odd thing about the Reverse Flash is the fact that two different fates happened to him. The first happened to him in Season 1. The second occurred on Legends of Tomorrow season 6. Strange enough, the Reverse Flash is celebrating his victory now not knowing what will happen to him in the future.
40:45 Not really because he learned from the Flashpoint event that in order for things to resume on course, he can not divulge any information in the past that could create a butterfly effect towards future events. Think of the plot from Back to the Future 2.
40:58: Plot. Either the person knows and not say anything or by the will of the plot.
45:08 Because he had learned Nut-ting!
57:56 Doctor Strange, anyone?
1:01:58 I would pick A.
When Khione first appeared, I thought it was Caitlin doing some weird subterfuge so she could steal something to bring Frost back
36:17 "It would be like not having Pepper or Rhodey there at Tony's death"
Soooo about that....
Something that I will always say about the show in the end is that no matter how bad it really was. It was oddly pretty entertaining to watch and I could never explain why so I’d say they accomplished their mission at making entertaining television
oh and about part 1 of the finale and the eobard stuff: while it was great to have that "full circle" stuff and address seeing that side of things with barry saving his child self and all that, the show seemingly tries to tell us "season 9 barry was ALWAYS the future barry there that night" retconning it being the version that followed eobard back as previously understood. the thing is that (as stated in the video) Eobard is from the "original timeline" where barry grew up with his parents. so is there an original timeline or not? the show can't decide
Great video. Also want to bring up this because it really bothered me.
When Savitar confronts Nora in the Finale, he says “Your Mother escaped her fate. But you won’t!”
But like WHAT! Savitar’s whole deal in season 3 was that he killed Iris to drive Barry into becoming Savitar. So in his timeline, Nora should not exist. So HOW DOES HE KNOW WHO NORA IS???? And why doesn’t he have more of a reaction to himself having a daughter. Or did the writers actually (in Madvocate voice) “kinda forgot” that Barry is Savitar 😂
i Really liked the effort you made the full video and it was a good Breakdown of the whole season Good job
madvocate style season 9 video, i love it
Eric Wallace is 100% to blame for The Flash's downfall after season 4.
It's literally the most cliche thing to have one of the characters be pregnant in the end of the show
Episode 10 doesn't change the timeline because it was fated for Barry to meet his parents. It wasn't a timeline change or at least it was fated in the new multiverse. And Thawne's hate does kinda support his betrayal of Barry, but yeah I think their brief origin of seeing his fate in the past to be the reverse flash is way better. Also Barry giving that talk to Thawne won't change the fixed point because he already knew Thawne won't listen to him because of his ego and their conversation earlier which he confirmed that Thawne wins. So Thawns wouldn't listen to Barry.
It’d be funny if Barry did that whole speech to have one more "told you so" over Eobard subconsciously before he was sent forward in time.
Actually he was hoping thawne would listen, but he didn’t sadly. I think he was trying to reach down into thawnes heart which is why he apologized and stuff. If thawne did listen, the timeline would’ve gone back to its original where Barry’s parents never died and he becomes the flash in 2020 from Harrison and Tess’s particle accelerator.
Fair enough. I’m willing to except that the timeline wouldn’t change for the most part but it still makes the point of Barry trying to convince Thawne feel hollow at best and stupid at worst. Because we have seen this point in time change countless times.
@@GIGio_OfficialWait wait wait. I thought that the Barry that fought against thawne in season one was the Barry from the original timeline. That Barry was the flash later, and doesn’t have his mom killed. If our Barry goes back in time with Thawne, then where’s the original timeline Barry?
@@GIGio_Official he wasn't trying to convince thawne, he was trying to sell the act that he wasn't aware that his mother was fated to die
I dont think you understand how ironic the rhodey part is 36:18. The new Secret invasion show pissed me off.
Barry: I got faster, didn’t you?
Writers: Nope! To OP nerf him
Sane Writers: But-
Writers: NERF HIM!!
Wait talking about Allegra having an arc! What happened to making her suit? Chester just forgot about it?
Yeah pretty much lol
i love how G.I. Gio's crunchy mic audio is still better an more enjoyable than season 9 of the flash
just started the video and i am glad that madvocates drinking game is just used by everyone
good on you Gio
Great video! Really enjoyed it.
One thing to remember while re-writing the season is to remember the budget the writers had. Every single re-write I've scene for this show forgets how small of a budget it has. So I would love to see someone take that into account. If anyone were to do it, it would be you.
Have a great day!
The Flash Final Season is Bad, WOW who would of guessed
You stuck the landing. Great work!
Hey, Gio! I recommend you check out My Adventures with Superman, because
1. It’s REALLY good.
2. It portrays Superman FAR better than the DCCU did during its tenure (None of which is on Henry Cavill, BTW).
3. Clark and Lois’ dynamic in the show is absolutely adorable. Seriously, this might be my favorite version of the two alongside Superman VS The Elite (I haven’t watched any of Superman and Lois, which I’ve also heard is pretty good).
4. It’s got a really intriguing mystery running in the background.
5. I think it’s a show you could use considering all the negativity you’ve gotten from watching later seasons of The Flash.
What’s worse is that in Legends of Tomorrow, we learn you can’t change fixed points. Fixed points are guarded by a Fixer that change the change back and kill the person that tried to change it lol
Barry didn’t call her Caitlin, he called her Khione. You just heard it wrong
Lmao
I’ve been waiting for this video and it was worth it great job 👍
And yes this is your best video my friend. All your videos are good but this one I’ve been waiting for and you definitely delivered
I would have wanted Barry to die at the end a become the lightning bolt that struck him in Season 1 😂
Why? Barry and Iris deserve a happy ending and it was already confirmed that they raise their kids together (hence why Bart was born). The whole thing about him disappearing was already retconned in Crisis when Oliver sacrificed himself for Barry and Kara.
Your one of my favorite UA-camrs. If it’s flash related or not I will always click. Just got of work and watch this whole thing, it’s crazy to think this show is finally over 😮
Do more! Im happy asf I found your channel great vids bro🤟🏽