As a current ICU doctor, I agree completely with the thrust of this message and can echo the ignorance of the medical community in regards to strength and resistance training.
I totally agree with this view and for me it has been a fact of my life. Lifting weights has kept me strong and in excellent physical condition during my fifties. 242 pound pause bench press, 310 pound squat, 375 pound deadlift. At 56 years of age and 177 pounds.
Absolutely beautiful numbers Shane. Keep fucking shit up on the platform. Have you stuck to just barbell training? Or have you added in any conditioning to the program?
Outstanding perspective to remember! I still hear, "This is not appropriate for you," I started lifting 6 months ago, feel the best I have felt in years, and have never looked back.
Ive had 2 cardiologists tell me not to train already. To be fair i do have a congenital heart condition but im not going to let an unfortunate situation prevent me from doing what i enjoy.
I remember a few years ago I was reading about a study done in a retirement community. The took all the volunteers and split them into 4 groups each group had an equal number of males and females and a fair distribution of ages from 65 to 99. Group 1 was a control and just given a diet plan. Group 2 same diet plan with 2 hours a week of light exercise like walking the malls walking track. Group 3 same food and moderate exercise. And finally group 4 same diet and 3-4 hours of stressful exercises a week. Group 1 no change in health. Group 2 no change in health. Group 3 mild weight loss and muscle growth. Group 4 major weight loss, 40% increase in muscle mass, 60% increase in bone density, and an unexpected results. Married members in group 4 started to have sex again because the husbands were able to raise the flag.
I saw my doctor, two physios and a chiropractor about a back spasm. They had all kinds of opinions and treatments, which failed. On a hunch I had myself X-rayed and sure enough, I had a protruding disc. Which none of the experts had spotted. So much for medical experts.
The protruding disc does not explain the back spasm, and if you are over 30 chances are high that any kind of medical imagery will show changes inside of your body as wrinkles and grey hair begins to show changes outside of your body. I hope you get better!
Like someone else said, the protruding disc is only one possible cause of your back issues, it's not necessarily the cause, or the only cause. You don't want to nocebo yourself. Plenty of people over 30, if you have imaging done of their back, will show some kind of spinal degeneration but they're asymptomatic. Pain is a weird thing man.
I've gotten into several debates with my doctor at the VA about strength training and exercise. His recommendations are archaic talks of cardio and low weight, high rep. My counter argument was implementing heavier weight to increase growth in bone density. He immediately claimed it was dangerous and unhealthy.
I also get seen at the VA. Thankfully my doctor is the exact opposite of this. He stands in awe and reports that I am the only patient in his 45 years history treating veterans who took their health and completely normalized all levels in under 90 days using strength training and diet changes alone. I’m going on 20 months of strict powerlifting training maintaining the same diet.
I was kinda unlucky having 4 coronary bypasses (without heart attack) before i was 40 yo without being really overweight or smoking. After about a year of checkups my cardiologist OK'ed getting back to fairly intensive cycling and weight training. That is six years ago and my heart is yet to explode and markers are fine.
That’s interesting re chiropractors. I’ve told my chiropractor exactly what I’m doing (starting strength LP) including outlining the lifts and the progress I’m making and she’s 100% supportive of what I’m doing.
If one guy says something and a million people believe what he says without thinking, that's the same thing as one guy saying something. Beware a consensus of unconsciousness.
Regardless of why you're there, if you start displaying the fact you've read peer reviewed studies on a subject doctors change their tone with you really quickly.
Instead of "How do you know that?" ask them just one word: "Why?" You'd be amazed how lousy of an answer you'll get. In fact, you might not even get an answer, but just a belligerent stare. Chances are high you'll be shown the doorway soon after. Many doctors are notoriously close-minded and snobbish.
They are information spewers. Very few actually think critically about anything. Copy and paste model doctors are more dangerous than the average lay person doing their own research for their health and safety concerns
you wouldn't believe how arrogant some of them are.. there was one surgeon, i think the chief of cardiology, having other junior doctors follow him like little slaves and they were terrified of him. the way he walked and acted like people around him don't exist. i knew better than to ask him questions about my dad so when he was done checking him and left i called one of those junior doctor the moment he left the room and the way she reacted it was so funny but i guess in an ideal world you would call it disturbing. but i hold no grudge or animosity towards the chirf doctor i just wanted to point out that maybe it's time people ought to know who's working for whom and not even that..my point is i want people not to think of them as gods, give them such high regards. they are just robots who do as they are told. if becoming a doctor wasn't so expensive i'm sure the world would have millions of them. (and yeah i know the rigorous study and process but like i said, millions of them). petition it to be free and you will find out.
Added to this, there are those M.D. who want to open you up as soon as you show up in the consulting room to "solve the problem"... those are even worse. Shoulder pain? Surgery! Tennis elbow? Surgery! Back hernia? Surgery!.... and so on.
"your heart cant take much more of this weightlifting stuff" yup sounds like a very scientific and professional statement, i dont understand how guys like that manage to become doctors.
Q: Do you know what you call the guy who graduated last in his class in med school? A: Doctor Did you know that 1/2 of all doctors graduate in the bottom 50% of their class?
@Los Fromla Actually, for doctors in 2020, no. They are not. And this comment assumes a maleficence and cravenness on the part of physicians that runs contrary to my own experience. And I think I've probably spent more time around doctors than you have. It is one thing to point out, as I have done in this video, the limitations of physician training and the responsibility of patients to engage their physicians in the exercise of shared decision-making. It is quite another thing, which I have NOT done here, to assert that doctors are in general malicious. They are not.
even if you ask how they know and cite all the cool papers, you're still trying to convince an authority figure about something you know is true why do we care if the doctor approves of our strength training?
Yeast, it is really important for a 70 year old to have a good working relationship with their doctors. If you refuse to listen to their advice, they do have the right to sack you as a patient or at the least, don’t squeeze you in to a busy calendar. Being a smart ass to the guy who is doing your heart surgery shouldn’t be taken lightly, as Sully wisely said.
The underlying assumption behind this 'prescription' (with which concept I agree, BTW) is that the people 'filling this prescription' (as it were) will be qualified, trained & well-intentioned, which is a far cry from the reality in the real world -- Maybe Barbell Medicine, Starting Strength etc can be considered such standards, but the vast majority (I'd go so far as to say ~90%) are worse than BS...and therein lies the problem.... All the literature (& the benefits thereof) assumes, or in fact, is conditional upon, the fact that the exercises will be taught well, and supervised for every second. Do you think that's possible for the Average Joe going to Planet Fitness?! Or is everyone now supposed to go to bespoke gyms with tailor-made personal trainers & personal training sessions EACH & EVERY TIME?! Cuz it just takes one bad, unsupervised rep to blow out a disc or knee or hip at that old age...Well.............................
"All the literature (& the benefits thereof) assumes, or in fact, is conditional upon, the fact that the exercises will be taught well, and supervised for every second. " Do please refer us to where, in any of the three major texts, we say anything of the sort. Because...we don't. We believe the best scenario is one in which the trainee is coached in real time. But we also know that this is not always possible, and it is our experience that motivated individuals are able, with the books and videos, to coach themselves to pretty good form, especially if they avail themselves of the ample resources available to them: camps, form checks, online and in-person consults, etc. So I don't think it's all so dire.
You can repeat that all you want, but MOST doctors do think they are the boss of you, plus the way a doctor talks to another doctor is absolutely NOT the way they talk to a patient, it seems they teach them in school or from other doctors that they cannot, absolutely cannot say they are wrong about anything physical, they will go into doctor talk or mode immediately if you challenge anything at all that they tell you, or get sarcastic or have that smirk they practice someplace about what you say. This is not fixable, it is NOOOOOOOTTTTT fixable. And finding another better doctor only to go through the same thing is always a pain in the ass. This is also why they always ask if you have seen someone else [another doc] for what you show up for, to see what the other doc said about it, and guess what, he always agrees with that other doc. Unfortunately most doctors are also not permanent learners. Ask your doctor or any of your kids' teachers how many courses or books they have read in the past YEAR and don't be surprised by the answers: none!! Too busy etc etc. So all they know what to do is give those recipes {prescriptions} they learned in med school, FOREVER. In fact ask them how many books they've read in their entire lives, or what heir favourite books are, and watch them mumble.
It is indeed fixable, and your characterizations are mostly inaccurate. The ignorance of physicians about exercise medicine is fixable, and we're helping to fix it. Surrender if you wish. We're making progress.
@@GreySteel To be clear, you are asking people to question their physician's advice on exercise and training regardless of their own pre-existing conditions? Are the quotes you provided from the doctors themselves, or quotes from clients that have "quoted" their doctors? Are there any pre-existing conditions that make it valid for a doctor to tell you not to train?
@@Tennisballenator Of course there are contraindications, and we have discussed those in other offerings. But they are uncommon, and physicians commonly proscribe training where it is actually indicated, not contraindicated. The most common "pre-existing conditions" in clinical practice are diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, COPD, osteoporosis, obesity, arthritis--the degenerative diseases of aging. All of these entities are commonly invoked by doctors to prohibit strength training, when in fact all them _mandate_ strength training. The quotes are reliable...and not atypical. Finally, "to be clear," are you objecting to the proposition that patients should question their doctors in general, and particularly in the setting where a physician is issuing a blanket proscription of an entire form of exercise acknowledged by the canonical literature of his OWN PROFESSION to be beneficial?
@@GreySteel I said, in part "absolutely cannot say they are wrong about anything physical, they will go into doctor talk or mode immediately if you challenge anything at all that they tell you, or get sarcastic..." And you prove me right, "...are you objecting to the proposition that patients should question their doctors in general, and particularly in the setting where a physician is issuing a blanket proscription of an entire form of exercise acknowledged by the canonical literature of his OWN PROFESSION to be beneficial?" Case made. For anyone except another doctor.
@@GreySteel I also said, "MOST doctors, I just cannot be categorising it every time I say doctors... I mean doctors in GENERAL, and I explained as much.
but you speaking about it in 2020.....but i'm glad that you atleast did. in and around 60s and 70s doctor's prescribed (advised/allowed heavily but i want to make it sound like it did) cigarettes and sugar. i dont completely blame the doctors for acting the way they do but we have to understand that it is us who hold them in a boss like stature and it has gone very deep into people in all countries and culture. the problem lies in people not thinking and being like a robot and i mean the doctor's too. they are educated but lacking that important stuff. i hope more people watch this video and since you have a md, phd after your name, i think they would be more receeptive to your message. thank you
Didn’t watch the video? Four hours total in exercise in that decade. You are precisely the reason they have too much power - you spent a decade at school, why aren’t you an authority on Shakespeare? You spend more time on that than a doctor on exercise.
Xplora213 no i didn’t watch the video actually. I was just going off the title. Doctors know a bunch of shit. As far as exercise in particular I’d prob ask an athletic trainer or something
Nicholas Santiago rejecting the content without listening to it is a bad idea (the main reason the USA political scene is shit right now). I think the main thrust is important. A doctor should not be stepping outside their lane and I thought moderate strength training (finishing your novice progression, you are only training moderately) was surely accepted by all doctors. But maybe not. I do wonder how they think working 60-70 hour weeks will impact health but they certainly like to do that themselves 😂
@@Xplora213 your care for this is inspiring. however i dont care i skipped this video mainly cause my comment was facetious to begin with. wasnt planning on watching it anyway. twas quite trollish in nature good chap. good luck with your insights. take care
Excellent question to ask, doctors are not Gods... They have the status of priests in the modern society, especially with the nonsense of "Universal Healthcare", when the system is clearly "sick-care", doctors aren't trained to keep people healthy, they are trained to care for the sick. Unfortunately, for many, this has degenerated into a common prescription of "take these drugs and rest in bed". Modern AMA medical training programs developed by John D. Rockefeller & clan. Prior to this, doctors were divided into allopathic (aka AMA/surgery/medication) and homeopathic (e.g. chiro, acupuncture, herbal etc, we still use this word) medicine. A common joke was " with homeopathic medicine the patient dies of the disease, with allopathic medicine, the patient dies from the cure". Both disciplines are estimated to have been ineffective or counter-productive in ~55% of cases. Fortunately, the medical knowledge has improved substantially, but the flaws in the baseline education of doctors remain. These training programs were never about the teaching of keeping people healthy, but inserting into another market for petrochemical derivatives. Similar things were done to economics education, where the virtues of a central bank, state control of credit & deficit spending are preached as universally superior policy. Doctors often undertake non-science disciplines in their pre-med training. During med school, they are bombarded with lab exercises and fact-based theoretical tests, with limited education in applying the scientific method beyond testing presence vs absence of a specific disease and recommending treatment based on the conclusion. Many doctors are stating scientifically invalid advice, yet most in the general populace consider doctors to be experts in the field of health, and follow the advice, despite some doctors being indoctrinated drones who just have a government licence to deal drugs. As an example, my mother was getting hassled about her total cholesterol, the doctor recommended Lipitor, a HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor, also known as a statin. Her HDL:LDL ratio is excellent, so are triglycerides. Just the total cholesterol was the only "problem". She asked the doctor for some research to support her professional opinion. The fool became flustered and handed her a pamphlet, written by Pfizer advertising their product. Doctors are just humans, many of them are upper-middle-class-white-leftists (collectively, the most misinformed group of people on the planet, IMO). This video is good advice, if the doctor can't answer the question, or if they get angry about it and are dismissive, acting like you would be too stupid to comprehend; go and see someone else. Find a good doctor who was trained well, continued improving after med school and recognizes that they don't know everything. One who assists you with changing lifestyle factors to prevent disease.
Yeah, take an aging spine with someone who is not strong and do deadlifts...that will show those "medical professionals." Seriously, Mark Rippetoe and Starting Strength is a great idea for novice lifters to get some experience but when it starts arguing with medical professionals, physiotherapists, exercise physiologists it gets annoying. The reason they haven't embraced this "method" is medically, it would be negligent to say "do powerlifting because Mark Rippetoe says it's okay."
The picture of Rip in the white lab coat... priceless!
Memes dude
Lol, true
As a current ICU doctor, I agree completely with the thrust of this message and can echo the ignorance of the medical community in regards to strength and resistance training.
And everything in general
I totally agree with this view and for me it has been a fact of my life. Lifting weights has kept me strong and in excellent physical condition during my fifties. 242 pound pause bench press, 310 pound squat, 375 pound deadlift. At 56 years of age and 177 pounds.
Absolutely beautiful numbers Shane. Keep fucking shit up on the platform. Have you stuck to just barbell training? Or have you added in any conditioning to the program?
@@loljk9443 I jog 2 miles three times a week.
Shane Sheets that’s great. Do you feel like it ever interferes with your barbell training?
@@loljk9443 I run after I lift and it does not interfere with training.
Solid numbers, sounds like you got more left in the tank
Outstanding perspective to remember! I still hear, "This is not appropriate for you," I started lifting 6 months ago, feel the best I have felt in years, and have never looked back.
Rip wearing a doctor's coat is not the NFT we deserve but it's the NFT we need.
Well said!!
As an emergency medicine doctor I completely agree with Dr Sullivan
Ive had 2 cardiologists tell me not to train already. To be fair i do have a congenital heart condition but im not going to let an unfortunate situation prevent me from doing what i enjoy.
I remember a few years ago I was reading about a study done in a retirement community. The took all the volunteers and split them into 4 groups each group had an equal number of males and females and a fair distribution of ages from 65 to 99. Group 1 was a control and just given a diet plan. Group 2 same diet plan with 2 hours a week of light exercise like walking the malls walking track. Group 3 same food and moderate exercise. And finally group 4 same diet and 3-4 hours of stressful exercises a week. Group 1 no change in health. Group 2 no change in health. Group 3 mild weight loss and muscle growth. Group 4 major weight loss, 40% increase in muscle mass, 60% increase in bone density, and an unexpected results. Married members in group 4 started to have sex again because the husbands were able to raise the flag.
Thank you for showing me this chanel!
I love this...
I saw my doctor, two physios and a chiropractor about a back spasm. They had all kinds of opinions and treatments, which failed. On a hunch I had myself X-rayed and sure enough, I had a protruding disc. Which none of the experts had spotted. So much for medical experts.
The protruding disc does not explain the back spasm, and if you are over 30 chances are high that any kind of medical imagery will show changes inside of your body as wrinkles and grey hair begins to show changes outside of your body. I hope you get better!
Like someone else said, the protruding disc is only one possible cause of your back issues, it's not necessarily the cause, or the only cause. You don't want to nocebo yourself. Plenty of people over 30, if you have imaging done of their back, will show some kind of spinal degeneration but they're asymptomatic. Pain is a weird thing man.
5:18 needs to be made into a poster and/or wallpaper.
😁
great video.
I've gotten into several debates with my doctor at the VA about strength training and exercise. His recommendations are archaic talks of cardio and low weight, high rep. My counter argument was implementing heavier weight to increase growth in bone density. He immediately claimed it was dangerous and unhealthy.
It’s amazing how doctors aren’t taught this stuff in medical school
I also get seen at the VA. Thankfully my doctor is the exact opposite of this. He stands in awe and reports that I am the only patient in his 45 years history treating veterans who took their health and completely normalized all levels in under 90 days using strength training and diet changes alone.
I’m going on 20 months of strict powerlifting training maintaining the same diet.
Please put links to these academic resources (esp. the peer reviewed articles, meta-analyses etc).
Thanks!
get the book.
1:45 fucking lol!
I was kinda unlucky having 4 coronary bypasses (without heart attack) before i was 40 yo without being really overweight or smoking. After about a year of checkups my cardiologist OK'ed getting back to fairly intensive cycling and weight training. That is six years ago and my heart is yet to explode and markers are fine.
Best of luck to you, hope you got another 40 years
I pose that question a lot to a lot of people who say words
Love Beethoven's 9th
The second movement esp.
That’s interesting re chiropractors. I’ve told my chiropractor exactly what I’m doing (starting strength LP) including outlining the lifts and the progress I’m making and she’s 100% supportive of what I’m doing.
5:20 Doctor Rip........I laughed......a lot!!! 😂
If one guy says something and a million people believe what he says without thinking, that's the same thing as one guy saying something. Beware a consensus of unconsciousness.
Regardless of why you're there, if you start displaying the fact you've read peer reviewed studies on a subject doctors change their tone with you really quickly.
lol. Deadlifting stopped my lower back pain. Weak muscles are the culprit.
Sullys channel is so underrated. give him sub!
194K subs ain't too shabby. ☝️🥴
@@EnlightenedRogue24 He's talking about the Greysteel channel. We share some of our vids with SS. THis is one of them. ua-cam.com/users/greysteel.
Another solution is to give your doc a copy of The Barbell Prescription and indicate it was written by an ER physician. I gave a copy to my doc.
Instead of "How do you know that?" ask them just one word: "Why?" You'd be amazed how lousy of an answer you'll get. In fact, you might not even get an answer, but just a belligerent stare. Chances are high you'll be shown the doorway soon after. Many doctors are notoriously close-minded and snobbish.
They are information spewers. Very few actually think critically about anything. Copy and paste model doctors are more dangerous than the average lay person doing their own research for their health and safety concerns
you wouldn't believe how arrogant some of them are.. there was one surgeon, i think the chief of cardiology, having other junior doctors follow him like little slaves and they were terrified of him. the way he walked and acted like people around him don't exist. i knew better than to ask him questions about my dad so when he was done checking him and left i called one of those junior doctor the moment he left the room and the way she reacted it was so funny but i guess in an ideal world you would call it disturbing.
but i hold no grudge or animosity towards the chirf doctor i just wanted to point out that maybe it's time people ought to know who's working for whom and not even that..my point is i want people not to think of them as gods, give them such high regards. they are just robots who do as they are told.
if becoming a doctor wasn't so expensive i'm sure the world would have millions of them. (and yeah i know the rigorous study and process but like i said, millions of them). petition it to be free and you will find out.
Doc, how much were you taught about male hormones & TRT in med school?
About TRT almost nothing. About male hormones more than I needed for a career in emergency medicine.
@@GreySteel Are you on TRT doc?
@@totallyraw1313 Not so far.
I don’t agree with everything about your program, but this shit is pure gold.
Added to this, there are those M.D. who want to open you up as soon as you show up in the consulting room to "solve the problem"... those are even worse. Shoulder pain? Surgery! Tennis elbow? Surgery! Back hernia? Surgery!.... and so on.
"your heart cant take much more of this weightlifting stuff" yup sounds like a very scientific and professional statement, i dont understand how guys like that manage to become doctors.
Q: Do you know what you call the guy who graduated last in his class in med school?
A: Doctor
Did you know that 1/2 of all doctors graduate in the bottom 50% of their class?
@@DSquared1969 i would expect even the worst doctor to be at least smart enough to not say something like that.
He will be blamed if you die in exercise. He has ne responsibility if you sedentary. Why should he risk it?
@Los Fromla Actually, for doctors in 2020, no. They are not. And this comment assumes a maleficence and cravenness on the part of physicians that runs contrary to my own experience. And I think I've probably spent more time around doctors than you have.
It is one thing to point out, as I have done in this video, the limitations of physician training and the responsibility of patients to engage their physicians in the exercise of shared decision-making. It is quite another thing, which I have NOT done here, to assert that doctors are in general malicious. They are not.
Now this is epic
He looks like a blond ST He-man
even if you ask how they know and cite all the cool papers, you're still trying to convince an authority figure about something you know is true
why do we care if the doctor approves of our strength training?
I will leave you to ponder the answer why we might care as a stimulating thought-exercise.
Yeast, it is really important for a 70 year old to have a good working relationship with their doctors. If you refuse to listen to their advice, they do have the right to sack you as a patient or at the least, don’t squeeze you in to a busy calendar.
Being a smart ass to the guy who is doing your heart surgery shouldn’t be taken lightly, as Sully wisely said.
#Voltaire
I'll try to take that as a compliment. I once stood at his tomb and nearly wept.
The underlying assumption behind this 'prescription' (with which concept I agree, BTW) is that the people 'filling this prescription' (as it were) will be qualified, trained & well-intentioned, which is a far cry from the reality in the real world -- Maybe Barbell Medicine, Starting Strength etc can be considered such standards, but the vast majority (I'd go so far as to say ~90%) are worse than BS...and therein lies the problem....
All the literature (& the benefits thereof) assumes, or in fact, is conditional upon, the fact that the exercises will be taught well, and supervised for every second. Do you think that's possible for the Average Joe going to Planet Fitness?! Or is everyone now supposed to go to bespoke gyms with tailor-made personal trainers & personal training sessions EACH & EVERY TIME?! Cuz it just takes one bad, unsupervised rep to blow out a disc or knee or hip at that old age...Well.............................
Well, you can stay on the couch where it's "safe". I'll continue to "take my chances" with the barbell as I near 60 years old. 💪😁
"All the literature (& the benefits thereof) assumes, or in fact, is conditional upon, the fact that the exercises will be taught well, and supervised for every second. "
Do please refer us to where, in any of the three major texts, we say anything of the sort.
Because...we don't. We believe the best scenario is one in which the trainee is coached in real time. But we also know that this is not always possible, and it is our experience that motivated individuals are able, with the books and videos, to coach themselves to pretty good form, especially if they avail themselves of the ample resources available to them: camps, form checks, online and in-person consults, etc.
So I don't think it's all so dire.
Why are you using the symbol of Caduceus?
Because I want to.
You can repeat that all you want, but MOST doctors do think they are the boss of you, plus the way a doctor talks to another doctor is absolutely NOT the way they talk to a patient, it seems they teach them in school or from other doctors that they cannot, absolutely cannot say they are wrong about anything physical, they will go into doctor talk or mode immediately if you challenge anything at all that they tell you, or get sarcastic or have that smirk they practice someplace about what you say.
This is not fixable, it is NOOOOOOOTTTTT fixable. And finding another better doctor only to go through the same thing is always a pain in the ass. This is also why they always ask if you have seen someone else [another doc] for what you show up for, to see what the other doc said about it, and guess what, he always agrees with that other doc.
Unfortunately most doctors are also not permanent learners. Ask your doctor or any of your kids' teachers how many courses or books they have read in the past YEAR and don't be surprised by the answers: none!! Too busy etc etc. So all they know what to do is give those recipes {prescriptions} they learned in med school, FOREVER.
In fact ask them how many books they've read in their entire lives, or what heir favourite books are, and watch them mumble.
It is indeed fixable, and your characterizations are mostly inaccurate. The ignorance of physicians about exercise medicine is fixable, and we're helping to fix it. Surrender if you wish. We're making progress.
@@GreySteel To be clear, you are asking people to question their physician's advice on exercise and training regardless of their own pre-existing conditions? Are the quotes you provided from the doctors themselves, or quotes from clients that have "quoted" their doctors? Are there any pre-existing conditions that make it valid for a doctor to tell you not to train?
@@Tennisballenator Of course there are contraindications, and we have discussed those in other offerings. But they are uncommon, and physicians commonly proscribe training where it is actually indicated, not contraindicated. The most common "pre-existing conditions" in clinical practice are diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, COPD, osteoporosis, obesity, arthritis--the degenerative diseases of aging. All of these entities are commonly invoked by doctors to prohibit strength training, when in fact all them _mandate_ strength training.
The quotes are reliable...and not atypical.
Finally, "to be clear," are you objecting to the proposition that patients should question their doctors in general, and particularly in the setting where a physician is issuing a blanket proscription of an entire form of exercise acknowledged by the canonical literature of his OWN PROFESSION to be beneficial?
@@GreySteel
I said, in part
"absolutely cannot say they are wrong about anything physical, they will go into doctor talk or mode immediately if you challenge anything at all that they tell you, or get sarcastic..."
And you prove me right,
"...are you objecting to the proposition that patients should question their doctors in general, and particularly in the setting where a physician is issuing a blanket proscription of an entire form of exercise acknowledged by the canonical literature of his OWN PROFESSION to be beneficial?"
Case made. For anyone except another doctor.
@@GreySteel
I also said, "MOST doctors, I just cannot be categorising it every time I say doctors... I mean doctors in GENERAL, and I explained as much.
but you speaking about it in 2020.....but i'm glad that you atleast did.
in and around 60s and 70s doctor's prescribed (advised/allowed heavily but i want to make it sound like it did) cigarettes and sugar.
i dont completely blame the doctors for acting the way they do but we have to understand that it is us who hold them in a boss like stature and it has gone very deep into people in all countries and culture. the problem lies in people not thinking and being like a robot and i mean the doctor's too. they are educated but lacking that important stuff.
i hope more people watch this video and since you have a md, phd after your name, i think they would be more receeptive to your message.
thank you
Unbelievable the advice from these GPs. Sad and sick
Lol from the decade of schooling?
Didn’t watch the video? Four hours total in exercise in that decade. You are precisely the reason they have too much power - you spent a decade at school, why aren’t you an authority on Shakespeare? You spend more time on that than a doctor on exercise.
Xplora213 no i didn’t watch the video actually. I was just going off the title. Doctors know a bunch of shit. As far as exercise in particular I’d prob ask an athletic trainer or something
Nicholas Santiago rejecting the content without listening to it is a bad idea (the main reason the USA political scene is shit right now).
I think the main thrust is important. A doctor should not be stepping outside their lane and I thought moderate strength training (finishing your novice progression, you are only training moderately) was surely accepted by all doctors. But maybe not.
I do wonder how they think working 60-70 hour weeks will impact health but they certainly like to do that themselves 😂
@@Xplora213 your care for this is inspiring. however i dont care i skipped this video mainly cause my comment was facetious to begin with. wasnt planning on watching it anyway. twas quite trollish in nature good chap. good luck with your insights. take care
Nicholas Santiago cheers 🍻
Excellent question to ask, doctors are not Gods... They have the status of priests in the modern society, especially with the nonsense of "Universal Healthcare", when the system is clearly "sick-care", doctors aren't trained to keep people healthy, they are trained to care for the sick. Unfortunately, for many, this has degenerated into a common prescription of "take these drugs and rest in bed".
Modern AMA medical training programs developed by John D. Rockefeller & clan. Prior to this, doctors were divided into allopathic (aka AMA/surgery/medication) and homeopathic (e.g. chiro, acupuncture, herbal etc, we still use this word) medicine. A common joke was " with homeopathic medicine the patient dies of the disease, with allopathic medicine, the patient dies from the cure". Both disciplines are estimated to have been ineffective or counter-productive in ~55% of cases. Fortunately, the medical knowledge has improved substantially, but the flaws in the baseline education of doctors remain.
These training programs were never about the teaching of keeping people healthy, but inserting into another market for petrochemical derivatives. Similar things were done to economics education, where the virtues of a central bank, state control of credit & deficit spending are preached as universally superior policy. Doctors often undertake non-science disciplines in their pre-med training. During med school, they are bombarded with lab exercises and fact-based theoretical tests, with limited education in applying the scientific method beyond testing presence vs absence of a specific disease and recommending treatment based on the conclusion. Many doctors are stating scientifically invalid advice, yet most in the general populace consider doctors to be experts in the field of health, and follow the advice, despite some doctors being indoctrinated drones who just have a government licence to deal drugs.
As an example, my mother was getting hassled about her total cholesterol, the doctor recommended Lipitor, a HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor, also known as a statin. Her HDL:LDL ratio is excellent, so are triglycerides. Just the total cholesterol was the only "problem". She asked the doctor for some research to support her professional opinion. The fool became flustered and handed her a pamphlet, written by Pfizer advertising their product. Doctors are just humans, many of them are upper-middle-class-white-leftists (collectively, the most misinformed group of people on the planet, IMO).
This video is good advice, if the doctor can't answer the question, or if they get angry about it and are dismissive, acting like you would be too stupid to comprehend; go and see someone else. Find a good doctor who was trained well, continued improving after med school and recognizes that they don't know everything. One who assists you with changing lifestyle factors to prevent disease.
Good, now go wear your mask
I hope you're being sarcastic and are not an actual "mask police". 🙄
TLDW: don’t listen to the advice of people who have dedicated their lives to the study of modern medicine. Fuck it, I can google!
Yeah. No. Not the message.
This guy should start a cult
Yeah, take an aging spine with someone who is not strong and do deadlifts...that will show those "medical professionals."
Seriously, Mark Rippetoe and Starting Strength is a great idea for novice lifters to get some experience but when it starts arguing
with medical professionals, physiotherapists, exercise physiologists it gets annoying. The reason they haven't embraced this "method"
is medically, it would be negligent to say "do powerlifting because Mark Rippetoe says it's okay."