5 Minutes with GM Ben Finegold: Ding vs Gukesh, Game 12

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  • @chessanthemum
    @chessanthemum 16 днів тому +131

    23 minutes with Ben!

    • @MislavIvkovic-sx8vd
      @MislavIvkovic-sx8vd 16 днів тому +1

      Gukesh won beautyfool game yesterday with Benoni now he could Still play this but he enter in Catalan opening against 2 best catalan player in the World he was just overconfident you are not Fisher so you can beat Taimanov in Taimanov sicilian😂😂😂😂

    • @MislavIvkovic-sx8vd
      @MislavIvkovic-sx8vd 16 днів тому

      Gukesh won beautyfool game yesterday with Benoni now he could Still play this but he enter in Catalan opening against 2 best catalan player in the World he was just overconfident you are not Fisher so you can beat Taimanov in Taimanov sicilian😂😂😂😂

    • @answeris4217
      @answeris4217 16 днів тому

      Fun fact.... He is ben.

    • @lionizedjunkie
      @lionizedjunkie 16 днів тому

      ​@@MislavIvkovic-sx8vd Just one question... what?

  • @AndrejAbabovic
    @AndrejAbabovic 16 днів тому +65

    The last 5 minutes of this was easily some of the best content from Ben. I'm in tears.
    "This is a World Championship match, this isn't a simul between a beginner. These variations can't happened."

    • @tomeknaj
      @tomeknaj 16 днів тому +9

      @@AndrejAbabovic this reminds me when back in St. Louis he showed some prodigy's game against Abrahamyan and was like "oof, this is double, triple, quadruple checkmate… if you're under 18, close your eyes, this is, uhh, this is not for children!"

    • @JairTrejo
      @JairTrejo 15 днів тому

      They are not allowed!

    • @jonnmostovoy2406
      @jonnmostovoy2406 15 днів тому

      Yup!

    • @f.d.3289
      @f.d.3289 14 днів тому

      ahhh, that's why it's called 5 minutes with Ben XD

  • @norestforthezombies
    @norestforthezombies 16 днів тому +38

    Great recap, you made it into a really captivating narrative with the D4 push as a theme. Thanks Ben!

    • @MrCheeze
      @MrCheeze 16 днів тому +3

      Yeah, this was really easy to follow as someone who doesn't know anything about anything.
      Also about the game itself, love that there were no real mistakes, just outplaying from start to finish.

    • @williammorris584
      @williammorris584 15 днів тому

      I thought his first name is Grandmaster, and Ben is his middle name 😄

  • @pelicans123
    @pelicans123 16 днів тому +19

    my guy is back to give an absolute beatdown. Ding just needed a bit of motivation so he had to lose yesterday to get himself psyched up.

  • @stephenarrigo5679
    @stephenarrigo5679 16 днів тому +15

    "CUT" Love Ben's dry sense of humor!!

  • @ShiraoriAteU
    @ShiraoriAteU 16 днів тому +6

    23 minutes and 34 seconds with GM Ben Finegold is my fav show on the youtube

  • @paeturis
    @paeturis 12 днів тому

    It's really amazing how you fit such a complex game with a detailed GM-level analysis into a 5 minute video

  • @PhildoBaggins
    @PhildoBaggins 16 днів тому +25

    "If I was black, it wouldn't be good" - Ben

  • @willrhee
    @willrhee 16 днів тому +2

    Thanks!

  • @unclvinny
    @unclvinny 16 днів тому +16

    I was so Reti for this one!

  • @gidifihrer3966
    @gidifihrer3966 16 днів тому +7

    This is a World Championship match, this isn't a simul between a beginner. These variations can't happen.
    Amazing

  • @Eglaronion
    @Eglaronion 16 днів тому +4

    Nobody makes as easily digestable recaps of the highest level chess then Grandmaster Ben Finegold. Go Ben!

  • @cfirmdotpy
    @cfirmdotpy 16 днів тому +2

    Watch GM Finegold analysis always worth it. Already saw other 5 videos about round 12 and none of them show the Re5 line

  • @JustAManFromThePast
    @JustAManFromThePast 16 днів тому +14

    How did Ben know I'd have it on 2x speed and be done in 12 min and 40 sec?!

  • @StoshGalumpke
    @StoshGalumpke 16 днів тому +1

    That's a lot of content for just 5 minutes ... and well worth the watch ...

  • @TheMessianicFeast
    @TheMessianicFeast 16 днів тому +2

    Love the way you explain things, thank you!!

  • @jonnmostovoy2406
    @jonnmostovoy2406 15 днів тому

    I'm so happy, thank you for this!

  • @chessbrahh2068
    @chessbrahh2068 16 днів тому +1

    This was a great game and great recap!

  • @blueelephant4971
    @blueelephant4971 16 днів тому +1

    I like the way you really explain the ideas and don't just spew out endless computer variations.

  • @angrygary91298
    @angrygary91298 16 днів тому +33

    Ben I love you this are not 5 minutes you are lying to me.The truth hurts.

    • @philipsaoud244
      @philipsaoud244 16 днів тому +4

      The set of, "5 minutes with Ben", is contained within the set of, "23 minutes with Ben".

    • @Evilanious
      @Evilanious 16 днів тому

      The truth soothes! More Ben!

    • @angrygary91298
      @angrygary91298 16 днів тому

      @@philipsaoud244 I love your set theory comprehension are you math passionate?

  • @phdcmd
    @phdcmd 16 днів тому +3

    Ben's recaps are the best. Got team Ben

  • @JojenReed
    @JojenReed 16 днів тому +1

    Heating up! Great recap as usual Ben

  • @tarnumj7319
    @tarnumj7319 16 днів тому +25

    never play f6!

    • @shiro1744
      @shiro1744 16 днів тому +8

      Well we know who lost the game now

  • @bertdaniel1449
    @bertdaniel1449 15 днів тому

    Thanks Ben. I’d to hear your pick for the playoff. Have a great trip to Michigan

  • @unclelarry3207
    @unclelarry3207 16 днів тому

    Great job Ben. Enjoyed it very much.

  • @NguyenPham-ru6nc
    @NguyenPham-ru6nc 16 днів тому

    best recap ive seen of this game :D

  • @erikfurudi975
    @erikfurudi975 16 днів тому +6

    I hope Ding will win, when he is focusing and plays his best chess he's worthy of his title
    And even if Gukesh loses, India will have a lot of young super strong GMs that are going to have a pretty high ranking for a while

  • @earlytuber9416
    @earlytuber9416 16 днів тому

    Great game and great recap!

  • @MrGaryStaples
    @MrGaryStaples 16 днів тому +3

    @15:56 in the press conference Ding said he didn’t see knight a7. Maybe because he wasn’t concerned about the confined rook, but regardless he said he didn’t even consider it.

    • @joebloggs396
      @joebloggs396 16 днів тому

      He didn't need to look at that line, I think that's what he meant.

    • @lasshrugged
      @lasshrugged 16 днів тому

      Yeah, that rook is almost completely irrelevant to the position.

  • @alicemystery5332
    @alicemystery5332 16 днів тому

    another great recap!

  • @ordro107
    @ordro107 16 днів тому

    Whatever happens in the end, Ding Liren is officially a legend, this game brought repressed memory of him grilling Nepo 4 times from a 'behind in the match' position. In equally spectacular positional squeeze masterclass with tactical finish.

  • @f.d.3289
    @f.d.3289 14 днів тому

    Daaamn, Ding really made Gukesh look like an amateur here. I find it super weird that Gukesh obviously prepared that opening but didn't realize that his position may be theoretically and numerically equal, but White really has the much easier game. And I just love how Ding just made these tiny improvements and waited until Gukesh lost patience. Great game, and great recap too :D

  • @mrpizza6503
    @mrpizza6503 16 днів тому +10

    NEVER PLAY F6

  • @zamicczsmicc7464
    @zamicczsmicc7464 16 днів тому

    What an incredible game

  • @douglaslarosa8782
    @douglaslarosa8782 16 днів тому

    Finally Ding woke up! A slow yet unstoppable gain of momentum with a loud crash in black's camp. Thanks for the recap, Ben!

  • @fabian13333
    @fabian13333 16 днів тому +1

    This was good

  • @ebk0
    @ebk0 16 днів тому +1

    Amazing recap, Ben is the best. I literally laughed at loud when he said, "Then we throw in Bd6+ because we're masochists."

  • @RBG9000
    @RBG9000 16 днів тому

    Brutal game! Gukesh getting blown off the board like a beginner. Outclassed!!

  • @johnnyzee383
    @johnnyzee383 15 днів тому

    Does does remind anyone who has watched the game of Capablanca?...Ding played just like Capa would have...a brilliant positional masterpiece where until the end was devoid of tactics just piece maneuvering and building the position and getting your pieces into their best squares and denying the opponent any good piece squares/mobility and then striking with the decisive blow.

  • @f.d.3289
    @f.d.3289 14 днів тому

    5 minutes of Ben explaining why Black played Rb8 without me anderstanding any of it... go Ben!

  • @andsviat
    @andsviat 16 днів тому

    Oh my god. This already becomes a meme))) Good job Ben. Thank you for the recap.

  • @MrGaryStaples
    @MrGaryStaples 16 днів тому +7

    @21:08 “Probably resigns is better”

    • @thedededeity888
      @thedededeity888 16 днів тому

      My wife was annoyed at how loudly I laughed at that

  • @nobuharu2336
    @nobuharu2336 16 днів тому +5

    Rawr!

  • @dontuwear
    @dontuwear 16 днів тому

    Ben, please don't die!!
    Stay there

  • @h0wnr681
    @h0wnr681 16 днів тому

    What an amazing game. One thought I have (pretty good for me to have one) was that Nc6 in the opening turned out to be kind of bad. I always prefer to strike out with the c pawn, especially as black, and in this game the c pawn and knight on c6 were kind of a problem the entire game. After Kh2 it was so hard to find a move, really a curious game here.

  • @answeris4217
    @answeris4217 16 днів тому

    Ding was saving this for if his back was against the wall... wonder if he has another one lined up... And I also wonder if Gukesh has another ultra weird opening that gives a fighting position.

  • @danielszczypka6977
    @danielszczypka6977 16 днів тому

    This game was accually good and interesting.

  • @jeremyhuffman101
    @jeremyhuffman101 16 днів тому

    I love how you say "cut!" and the editor just ignores you.

  • @AG-ld6rv
    @AG-ld6rv 12 днів тому +1

    Go Ding! As in, get out of the WC hall of fame. Kasparov has said this isn't even a real world championship before it began since Magnus is not competing. Kramnik has cried on his Twitter that the game 11 blunder was unlike ANY WC blunder he has ever seen (to which Giri replied about a blunder in a Steinitz WC match). OK, I feel bad now, because Ding seems like a good guy. At least Gukesh seems rather humble as well. Hopefully, Ding gets his old rank back if he cares to do so. He had some very nice opening prep for this match and, in some cases, calculated very well. I think the old Ding would have won with 2 or 3 decisive games.

  • @SahnigReingeloetet
    @SahnigReingeloetet 15 днів тому

    Wow Ding really just gave Gukesh the smackdown

  • @Rubrickety
    @Rubrickety 16 днів тому

    I wonder if Ding being written off by everyone before the match took some pressure off and let him relax a bit. He’s really risen to the occasion.

  • @TheRealMortyII
    @TheRealMortyII 16 днів тому

    Hi Ben!!

  • @nebojsagolubovic8565
    @nebojsagolubovic8565 16 днів тому

    Ding returned from the dead in this series.

  • @elpollolocoman119
    @elpollolocoman119 16 днів тому

    I was hoping for a kings side attack like how Morphy did back in the days, we don't find many players taking advantage of completely winning positions like he did. Though people act like his moves were elementary, if so then why are they hard to find in such positions?

  • @isaakcarmona1541
    @isaakcarmona1541 16 днів тому +2

    Nice cut! Also, fries.

  • @elpollolocoman119
    @elpollolocoman119 16 днів тому

    That last line is what I would have done. Treat it like a simo match.

  • @Doodloper
    @Doodloper 16 днів тому

    Ding: "Game 12 speaks for itself"

  • @millennialprofessional4877
    @millennialprofessional4877 16 днів тому

    At the end of that game Gukesh knew what it’s like when God has a gun.

  • @lolohlinoh8137
    @lolohlinoh8137 16 днів тому

    I had watch some analysis, but i still don't get which moves that started to make the black whole position to be so bad at the end.

  • @leorwolf
    @leorwolf 16 днів тому

    23:34 it must be chanukah

  • @pi5tolpete989
    @pi5tolpete989 16 днів тому

    Bens disgust in blacks position cracked me up

  • @panpan-vz3om
    @panpan-vz3om 16 днів тому

    I watch only the last 5 minutes of 5 minutes with Ben that is 23 minutes long.

  • @Dandencreux
    @Dandencreux 11 днів тому

    Dear Ben, I believe this Ding-Gukesh matchup knocked you out, which is why you stopped at round 12.

  • @coyotewayfarer4380
    @coyotewayfarer4380 16 днів тому

    Ding chose the English because it's EXPLOSIVE.

  • @kmarasin
    @kmarasin 16 днів тому +1

    Pressure getting to the teenager. The WC is in his grasp and he only needs three draws! Play for a draw and you'll lose though. I don't want to say that Gukesh is too young to have learned this lesson, but this was a game where Ding's experience in a scrap told. Gukesh seems to have regressed to technique from younger days.
    The problem with black's play right from the start is that it lacks a clear plan. Black's pieces may be on good squares, but without a plan those good squares become redundant squares, then bad squares. I've never liked the kind of classical development plan that black used because of this.
    Positional masterpiece by Ding. Always thought that was his best strength.

  • @anosmianAcrimony
    @anosmianAcrimony 15 днів тому

    What a massacre!

  • @MarcusLanceConcina
    @MarcusLanceConcina 14 днів тому

    Ding Liren will win the whole thing, I want to believe

  • @PlanXV
    @PlanXV 16 днів тому +1

    The commutators fought that black was better 😅 then Ding The Ring showed them the way of the Dragon 🐉 😅

  • @aarrodri
    @aarrodri 16 днів тому

    Where 5 minutes!?

  • @lukacalov1988
    @lukacalov1988 16 днів тому +1

    Well Gukesh played f6 so theres that

    • @matteopriotto5131
      @matteopriotto5131 16 днів тому

      To be fair, he also sacrificed the exchange with Nb8

  • @philcolbert7864
    @philcolbert7864 16 днів тому

    You can't play for a draw, you end up being too cautious

  • @kh3777
    @kh3777 16 днів тому

    Black's queen does not have any good squares to choose from throughout the game 😮

  • @darryljones7603
    @darryljones7603 16 днів тому

  • @dalicherif
    @dalicherif 16 днів тому

    5 minutes !!!!!

  • @BbbB-dm2xg
    @BbbB-dm2xg 16 днів тому

    Ben now lasts longer than five minutes.

  • @JM-db8ez
    @JM-db8ez 15 днів тому

    5 minutes? Doesn't take a chess GM to figure out the oddity in this video title. Alright, I'll watch the first 5 minutes, apparently that's all that matters.

  • @aliciap6329
    @aliciap6329 16 днів тому

    No one makes obvious mistake and they calmly improve their positions. Looks like a GM game.

  • @RonyTomo69
    @RonyTomo69 16 днів тому

    PLAYOFFS!!?!?!?!?!? PLAYOFFS?!?!?!?!

  • @gorhemdanqze8635
    @gorhemdanqze8635 16 днів тому

    Day 3 of telling ben he does not know how long 5min last

  • @Demian_R
    @Demian_R 16 днів тому

    Never play

  • @JimmyDaGent796
    @JimmyDaGent796 15 днів тому

    This was an excellent Game 11(Cut)..I mean Game 12. Finally an exciting and aggressive game. You can be accurate and aggressive, or you can tank like Gukesh when he doesnt know 75 lines of theory! India is going downhill quick baby! Chinese Communist Party making an amazing comeback!!

  •  16 днів тому

    Bishop to e7 or e2 is never a new idea. That's as basic as chess can get.

  • @robsafari5927
    @robsafari5927 16 днів тому

    Nice recap. But aren't you annoyed that all your fields, white resp. black, are exact copies? It feels like a plastic board?! I had this in my CB programs. I did complain at Chessbase. 'What's the problem?' (Well, when I buy a white car I don't weant a red one, even when it is technically the same. Looks matter.) It took a while, before in the newest update they finally provided 'random' looking bitmaps (but not yet for all programs..).

  • @jogzyg2036
    @jogzyg2036 16 днів тому

    All these extra minutes are getting out of hand

  • @nikiyen6
    @nikiyen6 16 днів тому

    5 minutes = LIES

  • @Deucely
    @Deucely 16 днів тому +1

    Why tho, just why. Gukesh is playing agresively for a draw, so he plays a variation where he can't trade anything, can't move, is forced to wait for a full force attack and just gets smoked, are you serious. Plus now we're going to have boring games the last two games. Oh well, looking forward to the rapid games.

    • @kmarasin
      @kmarasin 16 днів тому +3

      The d4 line in the Neo-Catalan IS an aggressive line. The problem was that the follow-up play wasn't equally aggressive. I think whoever put together Gukesh's prep had this in the bag to play for a draw, but Gukesh took it too literally, expecting one of the two outcomes Ben explained.
      If a choice like that is really a choice, then there has to be a penalty for not choosing. If white is gonna wait on d4 to improve his position, black has to work to make d4 impossible. Pile up on the d-file, play Nd4, c5, that sort of thing. Instead Gukesh played passively.

  • @richarddecredico6098
    @richarddecredico6098 15 днів тому

    ugly chess for a WC

  • @danielszczypka6977
    @danielszczypka6977 16 днів тому

    Tricks are for kids - so Indian guy doesn't like slow strategic chess? Colle system next?

  • @14-Peaks
    @14-Peaks 16 днів тому +1

    23 minutes with Ben!

  • @mcronrn
    @mcronrn 16 днів тому +1

    Rawr!