If they go on this list then the Phobos "dreadnought" should qualify too. Personally feel the list covers all the non-Legends actual "dreadnoughts" if you take dreadnought to be a hulking robot thing that's powered by a dead/dying person/space marine/eldar (so I'd not include the Ork stuff myself).
I mean- they fit the description of crappy existence in a sarcofagos vehicle very well! And I don't think they ever get taken out of the vehicles so they might as well be dreads
@@Kottery If I remember correctly Penitent Engine "Pilots" can not leave they are stuck there until they die, while Sisters believe it's part of their duty to watch these people fight in combat to atone for the Emperor. Mortifiers are just there to purely punish and torture a Sister Repentia, and actually provides protection for them so their death isn't quick. So they kinda fit the bill but not fully, I say they are pretty much right on the line of qualification and disqualification As Penitent is kinda revered but not something they look up to, while Dreadnoughts for most case (Orks and Chaos bit different on how they view them) are Greatly revered and respected in their respective group. but Mortifier is not respected and used like a Frenzy Fueled Walker to break enemy lines like a Chaos Dreadnought which for chunk of Chaos Space Marines is a Fate worse then Death.
Back in the day, chaos players could give their dreads demonic possession. It chilled them out (no fire frenzy), ignored shaken/stunned, and could grow back weapons. I got the “new” plastic space marine dread, cut the center of it out, added the metal ork deffcopter cockpit, and had two metal blue horrors fighting over the controls!
I used to feel the same, but I've been running two Helbrute's lately and it's been such a huge game changer for my list. Having one running around with my Chosen has taken a unit that's usually a blender and turned them into an industrial grade wood chipper.
That and putting leviathans in legends, that was the most aesthetic dreadnought, they looked badass. Gw probably just got salty about the recasters selling the shit outta them, I remember a seller on alibaba had a 3 pack deal for 45$, arms weren't included but that's 15 a piece
Shoulda stayed true to the Emperor you traitor. Enjoy your Deamon machines and possessed marines 👍🏻. I don’t think chaos should keep traditional dreadnoughts because they would always be corrupted when not in use. Stasis fields don’t stop the warp and all the dreads would turn into hell brutes off some sort anyway right ? Given enough time in the warp
Or the Ballistus needs to go back up. It's way cheaper than the other Primaris Dreadnaughts and cost somewhere around 155 before. Which I still think is a little cheap.
Considering Custodes are meant to have the best of the best gear and training, I'm still salty that the SM dreadnoughts have greater movement, higher toughness and more weapons then all of Custodes dreadnoughts.
@@Rexir2 wish they would just put back its big gun profile again . instead of that shitty 12 shots at D1 .... give it a chunky 2 shots with like D6+2 damage at high str or bump up the AP non the auto cannon version
He forgot to mention the cherry on top with the death company Dreadnought being able to take a magnet grapple to get +2" to charge when targeting vehicles or Monsters, so a 7" charge from strategic Reserves
Best dreadnaughts in 40k are under legends rules, because GW can make and update rules for 40 different space marine captains but can't lock down 3 dreadnaughs. Also chaos get wardogs as substitutes and they are insanely good for the price. Imperial armigers are just kinda meh really.
Just finished my dark Angel death wing support dreadnought . . Need to wait until feb or march whenever the new terminators and assault terminators come out for death wing .. I need to get a contemptor and leviathan , I love terminator and dreadnought so much .
I run my 2 NL contemps and leviathan in friendly games , they are still quite fun and the leviathan can still put out some shooting like a predator I guess
What they did to Bray'arth Ashmantle was criminal. I am considering magnetizing his arms so I can continue to use him as proxies through the years just to keep him on the table.
I still use the Legends Dreads since I only play friendly games. I've been slowly assembling a list of all Dreads, various Relic Dreads all lead by Carab Culln the Risen in his Leviathan Dreadnought
Agreed. I love the Custodes Dreadnoughts, but their datasheets are so bad. I hope they get plastic kits and are folded into the codex. I wouldn't complain if the Custodes gain access to the full Relic Contemptor datasheet as well, for some decent fire support
@crazyshak4827 I'm (sadly?) trying to talk myself out of ordering a recast dread for half the price... Oh wait I tried to order a $170+ grav tank for the custodes on the GW/forge linked site but they only seemed to be selling it on their UK site.
Being a fan of classic dreads, like the venerable one, it pains me to see how GW mutilated that range of units just to force the purchase of the Redemptor scheme versions
Being t9 instead of 10 pretty much ruins their chances of being top tier units (Bjorn being the obvious exception because he has the most ridiculous survivability rules on a mediocre chassis)
Ive had a lot of fun with the death company Dreadnought. Librarian also is almost auto include since I'm a blood angel. But the auto shoot back ability is great.
I always love spouting DOW lines whenever i do anything as a dread. Firing the heavy flamer at enemies behind cover: "Their shelter has become their tomb" My friend using Bjorn's absurd tankyness to unlock Saga of the Bear: "I will endure a thousand deaths before i yield" Using a Dread to clear and objective and capture it for your army: "Brothers, to partake in our crusade is to be Immortal" Also im a blood angel player and initially i was quite sad to see that the flying boxnaught was no more but the new wing of sanguinius power has won me over. If you get to go first it helps with getting early dibs on the objectives.
The Redemptor Dreadnoughts would be awesome if it wasn't for their dumb big belly. If they had just kept that classic sarcophagus in the middle look but added legs with knees and arms with elbows I would be perfectly happy letting the old dreadnoughts go.
I love my wraithlord, who was aptly named fifi, after much deliberation by me and a couple of drukhari players. Fifi is responsible the deaths for a near quarter of all units I have ever killed since I started playing this game (I think almost sixty or seventy, I will have to look at my fifi kill count again) .Long live Fifi. (:
17:25 the Blood Angels are the only ones who preserve their psykers in dreadnoughts because Magnus was the one who invented it (during the Great Crusade). He made the specs freely available to all the legions, but only the Blood Angels chose to use it. Worth noting that the Librarius Project was founded by Sanguinius, Jaghatai Khan, and Magnus. The White Scars presumably had no interest because dreadnoughts are not fast. Millennia later, the reason the other legions didn't adopt the psyker dreadnought has almost assuredly been lost by the time of 40k, but that's the history :)
I really hope that with the custodes codex we will get their plastic dreds. They look so cool, but the fact that they are resin kinda doesnt invite to buy one
I'll never take the Ballistus Dreadnought seriously. If that thing falls over it's never getting up. Imagine being the space marine who has to operate the crane to get the ancient and venerable hero of your chapter out of a ditch.
Do you take the standard Dreadnought seriously? It can have nearly the same load out. The longer legs are an homage to the original Dreadnought Models from Rogue Trader. Some had long legs, others had short legs.
I love the redemptor frame so much, I have 3 redemptors and ballistus dreads built. 3 brutalis were delivered today. 9 dreads at 2k pts. Become Dread-Pilled
That rule of entombed pilot basicaly excludes tau and tyranids but includes space marines and derivatives, ork and eldar. and also banned the space marine walker that is a dreadnaught in profile but piloted Might make more sense to be based on being similar walker regardless of pilot
My theory regarding Librarian Dreadnoughts: Roboute Guilliman banned adding chocolate to peanut butter in the codex astartes. Blood Angels were the only chapter willing to flip him off.
WraithLords and Wraithseers should be WS/BS 3+. Only the strongest eldar souls are interred within wraithlords so they can function better than standard wraiths and I'm pretty wraithseers ARE dead spiritseers and warlocks who can still perceive the world fully using their psychic powers even in death; He used to be able to cast psychic powers to amplify nearby wraiths but they seem to have forgotten that bit this edition. The Wraith seers invuln comes from his Scatter shield on his left arm, it used to be a wargear piece now it's just rolled in.
17:19 Other chapters probably do inter their librarians, but the text in the librarian dreadnought implies that only Blood Angels librarians maintain their connection to the warp.
I'm sure i've read some lore somewhere that the Blood Angels are the only chapter with the technology to allow a interred Librarian to maintain their powers - it's either a repurposed Osiron system taken from the Thousand Sons post-Heresy or Magnus gave it to Sanguinius pre-Heresy.
@@optimaximal I don't know that you're wrong, but the text in the index attributes it to rhe BA having a stronger connection to the warp than other chapters.
@@optimaximal From what I've heard (I think it was on reddit), yeah, Magnus gave it to Sanguinius. We are the only loyalists that use them, because Space Wolves have it too, they just don't use them. I'm not very sure tho, because I haven't read anything about 40k to say it surely.
I could make the argument that the Onager Dunecrawler should be on here as well. It does require a Skitarii to be wired into it to operate, which the Dunecrawler slowly drains of energy untill the Skitarii dies, and is then swapped out like a battery. It's true that there is frequently another Skitarii in it serving as a gunner, but I don't think it's required to be there in the same way the pilot of a Wraithknight is.
Melee Space Marine Dreds get a boost from being transportable with Stormravens. Can plop a Death Company one right up on an enemy, or at least close enough to use its magna graple to make a big charge.
I would personally love to see each of the gods specifically legions get a unique dreadnought based off older heresy patterns. The death guard could get a Leviathan pattern with plague weapons. The thousand Sons could get there Osiris pattern Dreadnought that could also be converted into a rubric contemptor. The emperor‘s children could get a sonic, Deradeo, and world eaters could get a Roided up little box-naught.
On the one hand, I'm glad that Chaos Dreadnoughts/Helbrutes no long spend a turn shooting you own troops, or mindlessly running towards the nearest enemy. On the other hand, they still feel weak compared to what other armies can bring to the table.
You don’t walk DCDs up the board. You Strat reserve them away from vehicles and monsters for a 7in charge and watch them pinball through activations since they fight and shoot every single time they are targeted. Definitely higher than a 6/10.
the support the helbrutes offer is actually pretty solid. Right now its sort of Overshadowed in CSM by chosen, Accursed cultists spam, and Forgefiends still. but all of those are pretty likely to take a hit in January, and I wouldn't be surprised to see choas players pivot to helbrutes in response. Particularly for deathguard players, Now that Contagions are actually Viable, the ability to spit them out long range on the first few turns while your slow army struggles to get into range is very helpful. a Deathguard brute with either the lascannon/missle launcher for ranged threat or autocannon/fist is a very solid include since all you need to do is hit in order to soften them up for PBC's and Land raiders. The mortars really need that -1 toughness if they want to deal with anything tougher than an Marine, like say terminators or Orks. The Predators dont really need it, but the Soulshatter lascannon's on a Landraider are only S12, and that -1 can be critical when dealing with certain tougher targets like a Dorn or anther land raider. worth noting, the Autocannons are particularly good, long range, two shots a pop, and just very versatile thanks too twin-linked and damage 3. Deathguard as an army just lacks the hard punch to deal with heavy armor, and plauge brutes do go a long way to helping that. worth taking 2 I think. 3/10 on the TS brute is a bit harsh, but not by much. World eaters I would argue is actually the worst, Between Exalted 8-bound, angron, the lord of skulls, land raiders and predator annihilators, it has the hardest time justifying its existence in that particular army. annihilators do better long ranged anti tank with better durability for not much more, 8 bound way out preform it in melee with the sheer volume of brutal chainfist attacks against infantry and armor. and the other 2 are build arounds your likely to take anyways that can fill either role in better. It just doesnt have a roll in the list that isnt done better by something else.
The Deff Dread wasn't great last edition but it was at least a cheap enough distraction carnifex that could put put some decent damage. A few Ork costs are a bit out of whack, but I have a feeling they really overestimated the value of it's ability to force a battle shock test. Needs a huge points cut.
Something like 20-30 less points for the deff dread and killa kans would improve them a lot. The ork mek can give one vehicle unit a D3 healing and a +1 to hit; D3 attacks, blast, +3 to hit S9 tends to wipe infantry and deal a couple wounds to some vehicles. But beastnaggas are cheaper better and can get the - 1 to wound strat. I hope than when ork codex drops there's some detachment that buffs walkers
Meka dreds are in that nice spot of tough enough to be hard to kill but not usually considered the primary threat if your running gork/morknauts, they can do a number on vehicles and boost themselves or a naut depending on the situation
To be honest i think you undersold the WE one The shoot back with the 6+ FNP on the las + rocket or the double fists / scourge + fist loadout with flamers can cause some actual insanity in your opponent's line if you get close enough. Since it lets you pick if you want to shoot or fight and you don't have to target the unit that hit your hellbrute It basically serves as a "if you hit it you better kill it or it will return fire instantly" and can kill / damage whatever you were planning to shoot it with next
Seems like the "Venerable dreadnought" is dying out lore wise. The Redemptor burning out its pilots means no more grandpa ancients for wisdom. Ca(w)lling it now. Next edition: eh the Admech fixed it here is the Redemptor Ancienticus with full rerolls around him for only 89.99!
In regards to the the fact* that only the Blood Angels have Librarian Dreadnoughts: AFAIK, in the lore, towards the end of the heresy iirc, the Blood Angels and White Scars were the only ones given the schematics to create Librarian Dreadnoughts. I forget who gave it to them, and iirc it was given to them because they were the two biggest supporters (aside from Magnus ofc) of the formation of the Librarium in every legion. The White Scars already detested the idea of Dreadnoughts, seeing them as a horrible fate (because they're free spirits and box on legs not go fast so no fun and horrible life basically), so when given these schematics they simply tucked them away never to be used. Sanguinius, however, saw the benefit of such a unit on the battlefield and had his legion use them.
I mean out of the 3 main chapters fighting for the librarous to be allowed to continue during the council of Nikaea having a drednsught using designs abd technology from back then makes sense likewise the only other loyalist chapter that I could see having it would be the white scars.
I manage in one match to deny a telemon access to an objective with a armoured sentinel for 2 full turns and make the custodes player say that he will target this when facing guard players in the future. He didn't know we can bring them back though cause i had a CPoints problem couldn't keep them for long.
i would say the DG Helbrute is better then the CSM Helbrute. the spreading of Contagion is pretty nice and effective ofc you need to equip it with ranged attacks.
Since Contemptors were taken away. Chaos's ony option is the Helbrute. I know Contemptors were only taken away from competitive play, and that's fine.....this edition. Without support going forward, Hellbrutes are the only viable option, which is a pity as had plans to buy multiples of both.
Mechanically: gw does not want it. Opting for cabal interaction. Lore wise: the thousand sons dreads are idiots from outside the legion that the tsons tricked into the job.
DEREDEO and INCAENDIUS variants are the workhorse choices: deredeo serve as a better weapon platform with higher range (like a mini titan), while the incaendius is the only dreadnought nimble and fast enough to be viable in close combat every other day, my bias goes towards the defiler
Really hoping for a Tson's Psyker Dread at some point. I want to yeet my dusty boys across the board, but I would be happy with something beefy with more Cabal Points to add. Redemptor is a beast atm, but the Custodes ones look so awesome.
I'm planning on running death guard helbrutes to buff my allied wardogs as their aura CR should help their shooting. LoV also helps land blast attacks to buff further
I feel like the world eaters hellbrute should have scored closer to the death company dread and murderfang dread as he can do what they are doing for a reasonable price point both instances cheaper. Granted he is a bit slower but in the world eaters faction you can have him move just as fast with a blessing if not faster if you get advance and charge, and the model can actually be equipped with reasonable ranged weapons. I know brigands are the cheese right now but to stay in faction with no allies I still like these guys.
Also this makes me so sad that any dreadnought are made "illeagal" The casterderum/ classic dread will never be forgotten. The less said about that red power ranger/dinosaur faced motherfkr fro. Old old editions the better
I have to say that I am surprised the Iron Hands don't have some kind of unique Dreadnought type, or character. Considering how technophilic they can get, it would almost seem like they would LOVE becoming Dreads; the more of the warrior made of metal, the better, and a second option might be to simply add that much more to the warrior? I'll never understand entirely why they take the time, and effort, to "elevate" a mortal aspirant to Astartes, just to then hate even that enhanced flesh, and seek to make Space Marines Skitarii, but if they need to, then it almost seems that the end result would be something like a Dreadnought. I still hate the Blood Angels for, among other things, monopolizing the Psyker Deead, that even the Grey Knights don't get, but I guess we have at least one more edition where that will stand.
The Grey Knights dreadnaught is also the only reliable source of rerolls in the entire index. And it's not even useful since it doesn't benefit from any of the army's special rules.
The custodes dreadnoughts are in the worst state they've ever been : trash damage and trash mobility. Only the custodes bikes are worse in the codex, but then again the bikes are garbage now (when they were a great unit in the past)
QUESTION: Should the mortifier or penitent engines have been on this list? :)
If they go on this list then the Phobos "dreadnought" should qualify too. Personally feel the list covers all the non-Legends actual "dreadnoughts" if you take dreadnought to be a hulking robot thing that's powered by a dead/dying person/space marine/eldar (so I'd not include the Ork stuff myself).
Might as well add the Invictor Warsuit.
I mean- they fit the description of crappy existence in a sarcofagos vehicle very well! And I don't think they ever get taken out of the vehicles so they might as well be dreads
The Deredeo and the Invictor Warsuit should be on here.
@@Kottery If I remember correctly Penitent Engine "Pilots" can not leave they are stuck there until they die, while Sisters believe it's part of their duty to watch these people fight in combat to atone for the Emperor.
Mortifiers are just there to purely punish and torture a Sister Repentia, and actually provides protection for them so their death isn't quick.
So they kinda fit the bill but not fully, I say they are pretty much right on the line of qualification and disqualification
As Penitent is kinda revered but not something they look up to, while Dreadnoughts for most case (Orks and Chaos bit different on how they view them) are Greatly revered and respected in their respective group. but Mortifier is not respected and used like a Frenzy Fueled Walker to break enemy lines like a Chaos Dreadnought which for chunk of Chaos Space Marines is a Fate worse then Death.
Dreadnoughts scratch the same tumor in my brain that dinosaurs did when I was a kid, they are 90% of the reason why I got into 40k to begin with
this resonates! big stompy bois will always grasp my attention
Absolutely agree! So much so that I've built a full list of dreads.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Wait... dinosaurs stop scratching as adults?
They also scratchs me.... why would you need a gigantic sarcophagus when you can have a drone😮
Honorable mention to the basic Necron Warrior: The OG dead soldier shoved into a machine and onto the front lines
Back in the day, chaos players could give their dreads demonic possession. It chilled them out (no fire frenzy), ignored shaken/stunned, and could grow back weapons.
I got the “new” plastic space marine dread, cut the center of it out, added the metal ork deffcopter cockpit, and had two metal blue horrors fighting over the controls!
Those blue horrors fighting sound really creative! Got any footage of it?
That sounds so cool
Send pics, I want to see that.
"Let me have a go!"
"No, it's my turn."
"You always have a turn!"
"Shut up!"
@@RvBnerd618Roll for initiative
The real problem is that they outright took away all dreadnoughts from csm. Hellbrute is just not enough.
I used to feel the same, but I've been running two Helbrute's lately and it's been such a huge game changer for my list. Having one running around with my Chosen has taken a unit that's usually a blender and turned them into an industrial grade wood chipper.
I guess the Forgefiend / Maulerfiend, and perhaps the Decimator were supposed to scratch that itch. But not as iconic as the Dready
That and putting leviathans in legends, that was the most aesthetic dreadnought, they looked badass. Gw probably just got salty about the recasters selling the shit outta them, I remember a seller on alibaba had a 3 pack deal for 45$, arms weren't included but that's 15 a piece
@@paladin276 yeah it works like that, but i'd rather have a dreadnought that can do stuff on its own instead of babysitting other squads
Shoulda stayed true to the Emperor you traitor. Enjoy your Deamon machines and possessed marines 👍🏻. I don’t think chaos should keep traditional dreadnoughts because they would always be corrupted when not in use. Stasis fields don’t stop the warp and all the dreads would turn into hell brutes off some sort anyway right ? Given enough time in the warp
The old dread needs to drop to ~100 pts, it shouldn't be 5 pts less than a ballistus which has double the damage for the same load out
Or the Ballistus needs to go back up. It's way cheaper than the other Primaris Dreadnaughts and cost somewhere around 155 before. Which I still think is a little cheap.
2nd Edition cardboard Ork Dread all the way!!! Because it’s invisible when flanked!!!
Considering Custodes are meant to have the best of the best gear and training, I'm still salty that the SM dreadnoughts have greater movement, higher toughness and more weapons then all of Custodes dreadnoughts.
Ngl, the telemon being T10 W12 feels really off, even with the 2+/4++
@@Rexir2it’s because it’s forgeworld (or now just whatever we call the resin stuff) and they don’t care that much about them
I hope they dont just legend the FW units in new codex lol wont surprise me though If they do
@@Rexir2 wish they would just put back its big gun profile again . instead of that shitty 12 shots at D1 .... give it a chunky 2 shots with like D6+2 damage at high str or bump up the AP non the auto cannon version
It is as the emperor wills
He forgot to mention the cherry on top with the death company Dreadnought being able to take a magnet grapple to get +2" to charge when targeting vehicles or Monsters, so a 7" charge from strategic Reserves
I love my DC dreads. The hit back at anything is understated and so powerful if you place him well
Best dreadnaughts in 40k are under legends rules, because GW can make and update rules for 40 different space marine captains but can't lock down 3 dreadnaughs. Also chaos get wardogs as substitutes and they are insanely good for the price. Imperial armigers are just kinda meh really.
The Warglaives are not too bad. Basically a War Dog Huntsman with a better Heavy Stubber and a bigger focus on melee.
Now that they're in legends, I finally painted my NL contemptor and Leviathan
Tell me about it I did too 😢
Just finished my dark Angel death wing support dreadnought . . Need to wait until feb or march whenever the new terminators and assault terminators come out for death wing .. I need to get a contemptor and leviathan , I love terminator and dreadnought so much .
I run my 2 NL contemps and leviathan in friendly games , they are still quite fun and the leviathan can still put out some shooting like a predator I guess
I feel your pain
RIP my Ironclad. I wish I would have played you in more games, you survived way more then you should have.
It sucks, cause the index rules were pretty solid. Like 6 shot rapid-fire 6 twinlinked hurricane bolter was sick
You think you're upset? I'm pissed at what the did to my boy Bray'arth Ashmantle!
I miss mine. I replaced the seismic hammer with a thunder hammer. Best mod of my life.
@@rjrosa132I don't even play SM and I'm disappointed in the loss of Ashmantle
I give mine the seismic hammer and DCCW and call it a furioso with a pair of furioso fists.
What they did to Bray'arth Ashmantle was criminal. I am considering magnetizing his arms so I can continue to use him as proxies through the years just to keep him on the table.
I still use the Legends Dreads since I only play friendly games. I've been slowly assembling a list of all Dreads, various Relic Dreads all lead by Carab Culln the Risen in his Leviathan Dreadnought
Carab culln! The captain of dreadnoughts!
Honestly, a beast.
The Telemon deserved a bit more love for being more or less the strongest of the bunch
Agreed. I love the Custodes Dreadnoughts, but their datasheets are so bad. I hope they get plastic kits and are folded into the codex. I wouldn't complain if the Custodes gain access to the full Relic Contemptor datasheet as well, for some decent fire support
@crazyshak4827 I'm (sadly?) trying to talk myself out of ordering a recast dread for half the price... Oh wait I tried to order a $170+ grav tank for the custodes on the GW/forge linked site but they only seemed to be selling it on their UK site.
Being a fan of classic dreads, like the venerable one, it pains me to see how GW mutilated that range of units just to force the purchase of the Redemptor scheme versions
Being t9 instead of 10 pretty much ruins their chances of being top tier units (Bjorn being the obvious exception because he has the most ridiculous survivability rules on a mediocre chassis)
Ive had a lot of fun with the death company Dreadnought. Librarian also is almost auto include since I'm a blood angel. But the auto shoot back ability is great.
I charge him into infantry with his blood talons and he never fails to take out full squads.
Getting to hit twice in the fight stage is very powerful.
I always love spouting DOW lines whenever i do anything as a dread.
Firing the heavy flamer at enemies behind cover: "Their shelter has become their tomb"
My friend using Bjorn's absurd tankyness to unlock Saga of the Bear: "I will endure a thousand deaths before i yield"
Using a Dread to clear and objective and capture it for your army: "Brothers, to partake in our crusade is to be Immortal"
Also im a blood angel player and initially i was quite sad to see that the flying boxnaught was no more but the new wing of sanguinius power has won me over. If you get to go first it helps with getting early dibs on the objectives.
The Redemptor Dreadnoughts would be awesome if it wasn't for their dumb big belly. If they had just kept that classic sarcophagus in the middle look but added legs with knees and arms with elbows I would be perfectly happy letting the old dreadnoughts go.
I love my wraithlord, who was aptly named fifi, after much deliberation by me and a couple of drukhari players. Fifi is responsible the deaths for a near quarter of all units I have ever killed since I started playing this game (I think almost sixty or seventy, I will have to look at my fifi kill count again) .Long live Fifi. (:
17:25 the Blood Angels are the only ones who preserve their psykers in dreadnoughts because Magnus was the one who invented it (during the Great Crusade). He made the specs freely available to all the legions, but only the Blood Angels chose to use it. Worth noting that the Librarius Project was founded by Sanguinius, Jaghatai Khan, and Magnus. The White Scars presumably had no interest because dreadnoughts are not fast.
Millennia later, the reason the other legions didn't adopt the psyker dreadnought has almost assuredly been lost by the time of 40k, but that's the history :)
It kills me that we only get Helbrutes for CSM. Even if we had rules for the Mhara Gal from Horus Heresy I would be happier.
That was so sad, that i bought Ironclad dreadnought at the start of 10th ed and then it just disappear from codex...
Worry not friend, you can always join Chaos. Im sure we could find an use for that big hammer and many bolters of your Ironclad.
I did the same with Attack Bikes. Just painted them and boom they are gone. Using them as ATVs now.
I really hope that with the custodes codex we will get their plastic dreds. They look so cool, but the fact that they are resin kinda doesnt invite to buy one
yes
And hopefully actually make them good gameplay wise.
@@awools1 Exactly. If I'm shelling out $200+ per unit, it better be playable at least and not just eye candy.
RIP Regular Dreadnoughts. "Thanks" GW!
I'll never take the Ballistus Dreadnought seriously. If that thing falls over it's never getting up. Imagine being the space marine who has to operate the crane to get the ancient and venerable hero of your chapter out of a ditch.
And since its a redemptor thats not even a venerable hero but Stevecus who charged into orks last week
Do you take the standard Dreadnought seriously? It can have nearly the same load out.
The longer legs are an homage to the original Dreadnought Models from Rogue Trader. Some had long legs, others had short legs.
I love the redemptor frame so much, I have 3 redemptors and ballistus dreads built. 3 brutalis were delivered today. 9 dreads at 2k pts. Become Dread-Pilled
Don't forget to add carab culln for the free stratagems!
I was a big fan of dreads when I played 4e. I like the new redemptor frame, too.
That rule of entombed pilot basicaly excludes tau and tyranids but includes space marines and derivatives, ork and eldar. and also banned the space marine walker that is a dreadnaught in profile but piloted
Might make more sense to be based on being similar walker regardless of pilot
so salty that they took Leviathans away
Not from me they didn't.
My theory regarding Librarian Dreadnoughts: Roboute Guilliman banned adding chocolate to peanut butter in the codex astartes.
Blood Angels were the only chapter willing to flip him off.
WraithLords and Wraithseers should be WS/BS 3+. Only the strongest eldar souls are interred within wraithlords so they can function better than standard wraiths and I'm pretty wraithseers ARE dead spiritseers and warlocks who can still perceive the world fully using their psychic powers even in death; He used to be able to cast psychic powers to amplify nearby wraiths but they seem to have forgotten that bit this edition. The Wraith seers invuln comes from his Scatter shield on his left arm, it used to be a wargear piece now it's just rolled in.
Just got my hands on a ballistus and redemptor, things are looking pretty good.
17:19 Other chapters probably do inter their librarians, but the text in the librarian dreadnought implies that only Blood Angels librarians maintain their connection to the warp.
I'm sure i've read some lore somewhere that the Blood Angels are the only chapter with the technology to allow a interred Librarian to maintain their powers - it's either a repurposed Osiron system taken from the Thousand Sons post-Heresy or Magnus gave it to Sanguinius pre-Heresy.
@@optimaximal I don't know that you're wrong, but the text in the index attributes it to rhe BA having a stronger connection to the warp than other chapters.
@@optimaximal From what I've heard (I think it was on reddit), yeah, Magnus gave it to Sanguinius. We are the only loyalists that use them, because Space Wolves have it too, they just don't use them. I'm not very sure tho, because I haven't read anything about 40k to say it surely.
I could make the argument that the Onager Dunecrawler should be on here as well. It does require a Skitarii to be wired into it to operate, which the Dunecrawler slowly drains of energy untill the Skitarii dies, and is then swapped out like a battery. It's true that there is frequently another Skitarii in it serving as a gunner, but I don't think it's required to be there in the same way the pilot of a Wraithknight is.
I would make the argument you could include the Talos Pain Engine too
Once you start off down this path, nearly every Imperial self-operating machine becomes a dread. Is a Medicae Servitor a Dreadnought?
If Auspex dies from his sniffle, we will have to put him in a dreadnought so we can still get videos
I really wish chaos had their heresy dreads back
Melee Space Marine Dreds get a boost from being transportable with Stormravens. Can plop a Death Company one right up on an enemy, or at least close enough to use its magna graple to make a big charge.
I would personally love to see each of the gods specifically legions get a unique dreadnought based off older heresy patterns. The death guard could get a Leviathan pattern with plague weapons. The thousand Sons could get there Osiris pattern Dreadnought that could also be converted into a rubric contemptor. The emperor‘s children could get a sonic, Deradeo, and world eaters could get a Roided up little box-naught.
A Meka-Dread GorkaMorkanaut bus is some of the most fun I've had with Dreads in Orks. It's like some kind of super tank but split in three.
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i wonder if GW will bring back the sonic dreadnought for emperors children when they give them a codex :D one can only hope !!!!
F in chat for Bray'Arth Ashmantle. GW did him dirty by rolling one of the three characters the Salamanders have into a basic datasheet.
Forgot the Mortifiers and Penitent engines, perhaps the most sadistic versions of a dreadnought
Meka dread next to a trukk full of Flashgitz...great little combo for around 500 points
On the one hand, I'm glad that Chaos Dreadnoughts/Helbrutes no long spend a turn shooting you own troops, or mindlessly running towards the nearest enemy.
On the other hand, they still feel weak compared to what other armies can bring to the table.
I wish the librarian dread was a character option, at least Bjorn exists
You don’t walk DCDs up the board. You Strat reserve them away from vehicles and monsters for a 7in charge and watch them pinball through activations since they fight and shoot every single time they are targeted. Definitely higher than a 6/10.
I am sad they took away Ironclad and Contemptor from Codex, they were so cool. Hurricane bolter and seismic hammer ftw.
Perfect video to watch while I'm painting my Brutalis, Ballistus, and Librarian Dreadnoughts.
Space Marine: Only in dead, our duty ends...
Dreadnought: How about no...
A few days in ICU with a brain injury gives me a lot of empathy for Dreadnaughts. Sleeping, but never resting… yeah, I get it.
I still loose sleep over the fact Bray'arth Ashmantle is retired. Salamanders only had 3 characters......three.
I feel you, brother. I recently paid a hefty price for a complete Bray'arth with arms on ebay(mint condition NIB) No regrets, but still a shame.
the support the helbrutes offer is actually pretty solid. Right now its sort of Overshadowed in CSM by chosen, Accursed cultists spam, and Forgefiends still. but all of those are pretty likely to take a hit in January, and I wouldn't be surprised to see choas players pivot to helbrutes in response. Particularly for deathguard players, Now that Contagions are actually Viable, the ability to spit them out long range on the first few turns while your slow army struggles to get into range is very helpful. a Deathguard brute with either the lascannon/missle launcher for ranged threat or autocannon/fist is a very solid include since all you need to do is hit in order to soften them up for PBC's and Land raiders. The mortars really need that -1 toughness if they want to deal with anything tougher than an Marine, like say terminators or Orks. The Predators dont really need it, but the Soulshatter lascannon's on a Landraider are only S12, and that -1 can be critical when dealing with certain tougher targets like a Dorn or anther land raider.
worth noting, the Autocannons are particularly good, long range, two shots a pop, and just very versatile thanks too twin-linked and damage 3. Deathguard as an army just lacks the hard punch to deal with heavy armor, and plauge brutes do go a long way to helping that. worth taking 2 I think.
3/10 on the TS brute is a bit harsh, but not by much. World eaters I would argue is actually the worst, Between Exalted 8-bound, angron, the lord of skulls, land raiders and predator annihilators, it has the hardest time justifying its existence in that particular army. annihilators do better long ranged anti tank with better durability for not much more, 8 bound way out preform it in melee with the sheer volume of brutal chainfist attacks against infantry and armor. and the other 2 are build arounds your likely to take anyways that can fill either role in better. It just doesnt have a roll in the list that isnt done better by something else.
I love the ballistus in game. Cheap, durable, good ability and can do an ok amount of damage
The Deff Dread wasn't great last edition but it was at least a cheap enough distraction carnifex that could put put some decent damage.
A few Ork costs are a bit out of whack, but I have a feeling they really overestimated the value of it's ability to force a battle shock test. Needs a huge points cut.
Something like 20-30 less points for the deff dread and killa kans would improve them a lot.
The ork mek can give one vehicle unit a D3 healing and a +1 to hit; D3 attacks, blast, +3 to hit S9 tends to wipe infantry and deal a couple wounds to some vehicles.
But beastnaggas are cheaper better and can get the - 1 to wound strat.
I hope than when ork codex drops there's some detachment that buffs walkers
Meka dreds are in that nice spot of tough enough to be hard to kill but not usually considered the primary threat if your running gork/morknauts, they can do a number on vehicles and boost themselves or a naut depending on the situation
Damn I suddenly feel OLDE! I remember when the Ork eggnaught was released. I think I might even still have it upstairs, somewhere
Where is the Leviathan Dreadnought????
To be honest i think you undersold the WE one
The shoot back with the 6+ FNP on the las + rocket or the double fists / scourge + fist loadout with flamers can cause some actual insanity in your opponent's line if you get close enough. Since it lets you pick if you want to shoot or fight and you don't have to target the unit that hit your hellbrute
It basically serves as a "if you hit it you better kill it or it will return fire instantly" and can kill / damage whatever you were planning to shoot it with next
Seems like the "Venerable dreadnought" is dying out lore wise. The Redemptor burning out its pilots means no more grandpa ancients for wisdom.
Ca(w)lling it now. Next edition: eh the Admech fixed it here is the Redemptor Ancienticus with full rerolls around him for only 89.99!
In regards to the the fact* that only the Blood Angels have Librarian Dreadnoughts:
AFAIK, in the lore, towards the end of the heresy iirc, the Blood Angels and White Scars were the only ones given the schematics to create Librarian Dreadnoughts. I forget who gave it to them, and iirc it was given to them because they were the two biggest supporters (aside from Magnus ofc) of the formation of the Librarium in every legion. The White Scars already detested the idea of Dreadnoughts, seeing them as a horrible fate (because they're free spirits and box on legs not go fast so no fun and horrible life basically), so when given these schematics they simply tucked them away never to be used. Sanguinius, however, saw the benefit of such a unit on the battlefield and had his legion use them.
I'm considering starting a blood angels army 90% for the cool librarian dread
I mean out of the 3 main chapters fighting for the librarous to be allowed to continue during the council of Nikaea having a drednsught using designs abd technology from back then makes sense likewise the only other loyalist chapter that I could see having it would be the white scars.
I manage in one match to deny a telemon access to an objective with a armoured sentinel for 2 full turns and make the custodes player say that he will target this when facing guard players in the future. He didn't know we can bring them back though cause i had a CPoints problem couldn't keep them for long.
I miss the good old days of Chaplain dreadnoughts and my personal favourite, the Emperor's Children Sonic Dreadnoughts.
Little hellbrute is absolutely amazing, since no opponent expects him to buff this good
i would say the DG Helbrute is better then the CSM Helbrute.
the spreading of Contagion is pretty nice and effective ofc you need to equip it with ranged attacks.
As someone who owns so many dreadnoughts it eclipes 3000 points I very much appreciate this video
Since Contemptors were taken away. Chaos's ony option is the Helbrute.
I know Contemptors were only taken away from competitive play, and that's fine.....this edition.
Without support going forward, Hellbrutes are the only viable option, which is a pity as had plans to buy multiples of both.
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My deredeo seethes auspex...
Forget not their service.
A specific thousand sons psyker dreadnought would be awesome.
You forgot Sister of Battle penitent engines and mortifiers !
Question? Why doesn't the Thousand sons get psychic dreadnoughts?
Mechanically: gw does not want it. Opting for cabal interaction.
Lore wise: the thousand sons dreads are idiots from outside the legion that the tsons tricked into the job.
Because GW doesn’t care about us.
Because Magnus did everything wrong.
No Penitent Engines or Mortifiers?? By these definitions they're totally Dreadnoughts! And they're cheap as borscht for their abilities!
DEREDEO and INCAENDIUS variants are the workhorse choices: deredeo serve as a better weapon platform with higher range (like a mini titan), while the incaendius is the only dreadnought nimble and fast enough to be viable in close combat
every other day, my bias goes towards the defiler
Dreadnoughts are the best! Thanks for the video
as a space wolf player bjorn is my warlord every time 100%, love the boxy lads
Venerable Dread should keep his datasheet. In the fluff, this unit is so cool. The model is so beautiful too. Sad ti see it's just one more dread.
Really hoping for a Tson's Psyker Dread at some point. I want to yeet my dusty boys across the board, but I would be happy with something beefy with more Cabal Points to add. Redemptor is a beast atm, but the Custodes ones look so awesome.
I'm planning on running death guard helbrutes to buff my allied wardogs as their aura CR should help their shooting. LoV also helps land blast attacks to buff further
The thumbnail is so hilarious 😂
We got a whole line of stern looking mfer being like 😡😡😡😡
And then there's the Deffdread going 🤪
Shouldn't Mortifiers be technically considered dreadnaughts? You certainly can't leave those...
I feel like the world eaters hellbrute should have scored closer to the death company dread and murderfang dread as he can do what they are doing for a reasonable price point both instances cheaper. Granted he is a bit slower but in the world eaters faction you can have him move just as fast with a blessing if not faster if you get advance and charge, and the model can actually be equipped with reasonable ranged weapons. I know brigands are the cheese right now but to stay in faction with no allies I still like these guys.
Give Chaos their Horus Heresy Dreads back!!! I have 2 Leviathans collecting dust on my shelf
Wow, they really nerfed the Contemptor-Galatus's shield.
Bjorn is and always has been my boy!
I am kinda of surprised you didn't include Kastelan Robots in this. Though I guess they are robots on 60mm bases lol
"You mean I can't get out of this thing? Nobody told me that."
Fantastic video like always!!!
What about the salamander dreadnaught bray’arth ashmantle?
He dosent have rules anymore😢
Also this makes me so sad that any dreadnought are made "illeagal"
The casterderum/ classic dread will never be forgotten. The less said about that red power ranger/dinosaur faced motherfkr fro. Old old editions the better
Where's my Mom in this list? She's the most vicious, every lasting, bitter dreadnought around!
I might be bias to black Templars but how cool would it be to get a crusader dreadnaught with power sword?
That'd be sick.
I have to say that I am surprised the Iron Hands don't have some kind of unique Dreadnought type, or character. Considering how technophilic they can get, it would almost seem like they would LOVE becoming Dreads; the more of the warrior made of metal, the better, and a second option might be to simply add that much more to the warrior? I'll never understand entirely why they take the time, and effort, to "elevate" a mortal aspirant to Astartes, just to then hate even that enhanced flesh, and seek to make Space Marines Skitarii, but if they need to, then it almost seems that the end result would be something like a Dreadnought.
I still hate the Blood Angels for, among other things, monopolizing the Psyker Deead, that even the Grey Knights don't get, but I guess we have at least one more edition where that will stand.
I think I'd count a ghostkeel as a dread
I agree. Size and strength. It flies though...
pilot isn't entombed like an iron lung.
@nitrous146 still it's roughly the same size similar toughness strs etc
@@garrettsmart3409 but it goes against the rules athe beginning of the video about being a dread.
@nitrous146 that's why I said i would count it not that he should.
The Grey Knights dreadnaught is also the only reliable source of rerolls in the entire index. And it's not even useful since it doesn't benefit from any of the army's special rules.
Exactly. Give it Deep strike and it might be useful.
After 9 months we finally found the answer, it's Brother Valtus.
I can't imagine what led someone to think it was a good idea to put a brother who fell to the Black Rage inside a Dreadnought
If I may quote Donna Summer: I said it out loud and said it on the air on Deredeo
The custodes dreadnoughts are in the worst state they've ever been : trash damage and trash mobility. Only the custodes bikes are worse in the codex, but then again the bikes are garbage now (when they were a great unit in the past)
My bikes are crying....
I literatly just bought a brutalis today and this pops up 😅