Great points on the distinction between the two. They have very different entry or starts and are used in different situations. Language first is a game changer. Well done!
Great video cleared up my confusion perfectly. When I first started working on the punch turn i knew I was doing it wrong because my inside skate was sliding out. I was relying fully on the outside skate barely using the outside edge.
Jason, a punch turn is when you slide the inside foot, and a tight turn is when you slide the outside foot! What you call a tight turn, we call a "bicycle turn", "Canadian turn" or "hockey turn". Or just turn :)
@Train2point0 Jason, in your class, what do you call a turn when you slide the outside foot (as opposed to the punch turn, where you slide the inside foo)? I love your classes, keep up with the great work!!
Great Video! I have a question (sorry if it’s dumb) but what foot do you want the weight on during these turns? I’ve noticed that during most of my turns most of my weight is on the outside leg which causes my leading/inside skate to wobble. Thanks!
@@grady8907 If it's just a "turn", like in this video, without sliding the inside or outside foot, the weight should be equally distributed between both feet.
when teaching punch turns I find the players weakness is generally the same as the hockey stop. (making snow with their inside edge) However I would not say that the punch turn is specifically about making snow with only the inside edge. It's still a punch turn if you make snow with both edges (if you need to decelerate faster) I teach the punch turn as a hybrid hockey stop, one where you turn while you are stopping (pressure on the heels) with a focus on exiting the turn with speed.
I did not see anywhere here where it was mentioned that punch turns is 'about making snow with only the inside edge.' I did hear lots about punching on the outside edge and moving from a slide to glide motion with the blades.
@@mathewmartin9803 yeah...me too...outside edge stopping is tough part, not inside edge. But that hybrid hockey stop concept could be useful...but also, stopping usually pressure is put on toes, not heels as mentioned. Tight turns is more pressure on heels...so in a way advice is kinda confusing 🤣
@@KP-dd2ci how do you know "stopping usually pressure is put on toes" when what is observed by the best in the world clearly shows it happens on the heels? Using your idea you would need to punch on the outside edge using the toe of the blade but then move to the heel for the turn? why not just start at the heel with the punch and you're already there for the turn? Can you explain what you mean by 'hybrid hockey stop?'
Yes, I think looking at a punch turn as a combination of a hockey stop and a turn is the right way to think about it ... because that is basically what it is. the key focus is that it is more turn than stop in order to preserve momentum.
It would be good if you could break down the movement into parts, as a progression. NHLers are great but to learn the skill, I think it needs to be simplified. Where is the weight rear or front skate, where in the skate-heel or toe? How do you ensure a wider stance?
And I also have a really great suggestions so if you could do separate videos can you do “how to trick shot like Conner bedard” and then there would be another video would be called “how to trick shot like Matthew tkachuk
Punch turns you kick your heal in and toes outwards almost like a one footed outside edge stop then cross as you come out. Easiest way to explain it and emphasize it.
I can't stop on my outside edge (meaning I can't do punch turns) so I do tight turns with a lot of heel pressure then crossover out of the turn. For my level, it works but I can see how it would make a difference for high level players.
Do you mean you can't stop on your leading foot/edge? If you look closely, the predominant amount of pressure is on the outside edge of the trailing (inside) foot.
Great points on the distinction between the two. They have very different entry or starts and are used in different situations. Language first is a game changer. Well done!
Thanks matt 💪
Perfect timing. Been trying to figure these out this past week!
These videos help so much more than my varsity coaches
haha happy to help.
Great video cleared up my confusion perfectly. When I first started working on the punch turn i knew I was doing it wrong because my inside skate was sliding out. I was relying fully on the outside skate barely using the outside edge.
Awesome, with that awareness now you'll be able to level up from a mechanical standpoint👍
Really good vid, couldn’t tell the difference till now
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Хорошее видео!!! Привет из Сибири! Thank you
You are welcome aleksey 👍
Jason, a punch turn is when you slide the inside foot, and a tight turn is when you slide the outside foot! What you call a tight turn, we call a "bicycle turn", "Canadian turn" or "hockey turn". Or just turn :)
Haha that's cool, thanks for the info!
@Train2point0 Jason, in your class, what do you call a turn when you slide the outside foot (as opposed to the punch turn, where you slide the inside foo)? I love your classes, keep up with the great work!!
Great Video! I have a question (sorry if it’s dumb) but what foot do you want the weight on during these turns? I’ve noticed that during most of my turns most of my weight is on the outside leg which causes my leading/inside skate to wobble. Thanks!
@@grady8907 If it's just a "turn", like in this video, without sliding the inside or outside foot, the weight should be equally distributed between both feet.
@@drzoltanvajo142Thank you! I don’t know why or how I started putting all my weight on outside foot but it will be fun learning to do it right.
Thank you so much👌👍
No problem man 🚀
when teaching punch turns I find the players weakness is generally the same as the hockey stop. (making snow with their inside edge) However I would not say that the punch turn is specifically about making snow with only the inside edge.
It's still a punch turn if you make snow with both edges (if you need to decelerate faster) I teach the punch turn as a hybrid hockey stop, one where you turn while you are stopping (pressure on the heels) with a focus on exiting the turn with speed.
I did not see anywhere here where it was mentioned that punch turns is 'about making snow with only the inside edge.' I did hear lots about punching on the outside edge and moving from a slide to glide motion with the blades.
@@mathewmartin9803 yeah...me too...outside edge stopping is tough part, not inside edge. But that hybrid hockey stop concept could be useful...but also, stopping usually pressure is put on toes, not heels as mentioned. Tight turns is more pressure on heels...so in a way advice is kinda confusing 🤣
@@KP-dd2ci how do you know "stopping usually pressure is put on toes" when what is observed by the best in the world clearly shows it happens on the heels? Using your idea you would need to punch on the outside edge using the toe of the blade but then move to the heel for the turn? why not just start at the heel with the punch and you're already there for the turn? Can you explain what you mean by 'hybrid hockey stop?'
Yes, I think looking at a punch turn as a combination of a hockey stop and a turn is the right way to think about it ... because that is basically what it is. the key focus is that it is more turn than stop in order to preserve momentum.
It would be good if you could break down the movement into parts, as a progression. NHLers are great but to learn the skill, I think it needs to be simplified. Where is the weight rear or front skate, where in the skate-heel or toe? How do you ensure a wider stance?
All in the downhill skating systems my friend. Perhaps I will make a UA-cam video in the future here for the UA-cam community. Thanks for the comment.
Can you go over in a little more detail what you said about heel to toe on the punch turn please?
Use of the rocker. Can propel you into your next step with the momentum.
And I also have a really great suggestions so if you could do separate videos can you do “how to trick shot like Conner bedard” and then there would be another video would be called “how to trick shot like Matthew tkachuk
Good idea, maybe at some point 👍
Punch turns you kick your heal in and toes outwards almost like a one footed outside edge stop then cross as you come out. Easiest way to explain it and emphasize it.
Great comment and bang on.
Love your stuff, it's really helped me after a 15 year absence from the game, thank you for what you do.
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Watch Mackinnons highlight reel from last night on NHL to see a live example of this lol
Haha big time 👍
Jason Yee my guy.
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I can't stop on my outside edge (meaning I can't do punch turns) so I do tight turns with a lot of heel pressure then crossover out of the turn. For my level, it works but I can see how it would make a difference for high level players.
That's ok there are lots of different levels for turning and that works just fine👍
Same!
Do you mean you can't stop on your leading foot/edge?
If you look closely, the predominant amount of pressure is on the outside edge of the trailing (inside) foot.