I graduated November 2019, Class 20-01, Purple Lions.....at that time, I was 40 years old with 22 years TIG and E-7; I was the 5th oldest out of 90 graduates in my class......I honestly had no problem checking my ego at the door and swallowing my pride, not to mention I was a recycle from the previous class for land navigation failure - here's the BLUF, if you want something and when you're trying to achieve a goal, you have to find that discipline and drive in you to succeed.....once I made the decision to go warrant and drop my packet, nothing was going to stop me; I didn't care that I had to fold shirts, do rifle PRT or go through the 7-minute morning wakeup - I was going to leave Fort Rucker wearing WO1, one way or another.....this video is spot on, WOCS is not difficult, but it will be if you're not prepared for it; it's NOT a gentleman's course, but you'll eventually see the dynamics as to why the course is meant to be taught that way - be a team player, lead when it's your turn to lead, follow when it's not, don't be a blue falcon and just remember why you're there and what you came to accomplish and go home with.....Strength In Knowledge!
I came off the trail in mid '04 and went to WOCS, then flight school. Was an E-7...immediately a target for the TACs. I liked your brief on "conduct". Very true. Even as a more seasoned dude, had no issues following as well as leading. Some did. Just keep your ego in check and you'll be good. Thanks for the material, brother.
@@floyd4311 Thanks for the info. For now it’s just a thought though, as I’ve never even been to the US before. I’d like to gain US citizenship and my plan A is to pursue a master’s degree in I/O psychology here in Europe to increase my chances of qualifying for an immigrant worker visa. Recently though I’ve been having an itch for the military and flying sounds like a blast, so, if my academic plans don’t work out, I have been thinking of applying to any job that is able to hire aliens to get a visa, wait however long it takes for the green card, then proceed with the naturalization through military service, and since if I join the military I will have to be there for a while, I might as well pick an mos that is enjoyable and that also has a good carryover to civilian life.
Thanks for the video. One tip i don't share much. On the road march. Get a tiny carabiner. Clip it to your weapon and vest at the sholder. Hold the grip. Place your magazine on your belt or tucked close in but not completely in as it's visible. You are now at the ready. You can drop your weapon to your side as long as you maintain your grip on the grip. Pay attention to detail in what they tell you to do. I had another student complain about the carabiner. The cadre politely told them. I was at the ready an meeting standard. "He's gonna make a great warrant." That's how we carried in theater and no one had a problem with it. Last thing i ever want too drop was my weapon.
@@danachernault84 what do you mean how? I wasn’t talking about it being easy or hard. The fact you have to spend about a grand to get all the things you need in the course is why it’s called the “Thousand dollar Dot”
Wow. I did WOCS back in 2005. I was a high speed E6 that stumbled into the Warrant Life. Best decision I ever made. Retired as a CW3 in 2017. It's interesting to see how much things have changed.
The PT test when I went through had a different “passing” score, it was at least an 80 in each event, not an issue for most of the soldiers-but I remember some folks being caught off guard from the run.
You're a good dude. The Army needs more mentors and leaders like you man. I don't like respect to many people but I got alot of respect for you and your content.
I went thru the WOCS, 1989, "High school to Flight School " I was a college graduate, from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University class of 1989. I had a commercial pilots license, and I was a CFI/II. I kept my mouth shut and did what was asked of me. I graduated a year later in the top 5 of my class of 150. We had so many senior NCO's in WOC B that could not adjust. I found them to be bitter out of shape and not really willing to learn what was required. My class had 10 NCOS from the intelligence community walk out on start day. So from that moment on in my 23 year career and ending as a CW4 and declining a CW5 promotion (I was assigned to Redstone Arsenal my Family asked me to retire, so I did), I never saw NCO'S in the same light. Not to beat on them but the Warrants get a bad reputation for PT avoidance and general lack of dripline, all not founded. My final PT test in the Army, I made it a point to excel and dispel these, BS notions. I did 100PU, 100SU, ran a 13:20 2 mile. My 06's jaw dropped. I was 45 at the time.
I graduated November 2022. Went TDY return. Then from Germany I cleared my unit and went TDY Enroute. I’ve PCS’d three times prior but this by far has been the most frustrating for my family and I. We didn’t request our exception to policy to have our BAH started for next duty station. Caused my family to decide to have them stay not at our next duty station but drive across the country to have them stay with family because we were getting our transition BAH rate (almost $500 less a month). Now we’re finishing my WOBC. Then once done we’re gonna move again back to our duty station during the summer season. This video is SPOT ON! Plan ahead accordingly.
CW5 (Ret) here. I went through as a 43 year old E7. The WOCS has changed several times through its life. However, to answer why different ranks go through WOCS are as follows. 1. The E8s/E9s are usually from the hard charging services (Infantry, Armor, SF, Ranger, etc) that have been promoted quickly and have much TIG and maybe are being pushed out of the Army. So they go WO to stay in the Army. Also a WO may stay to a higher age. 2. Similarly, there are traditional "O Grade" officers that are being boarded out of the service, unless they apply and are accepted into the WO program. If they have 10+ years as an "O Grade" they can retire at the higher grade (with higher pay). Usually the Army officers only go through the WOBC and not WOCS. That may have changed in recent years. 3. There are officers (usually pilots) from other services that want to fly on the front lines in Army Helos. The idea is that if they make it through WOCS then they have "adapted" to the Army and can then go through Army Flight School. During WWI and WWII the WO the Army needed special technical skills, thus Enlisted and even Civilians that had these skills were appointed to the WO grades, except for the young pilots. However, during the 80s/90s many Army units were short on Lieutenants and Captains. The unit commanders began using the WOs to do many of the duties and tasks that the junior "O Grades" would normally do. This was an awkward time. Consider a 25 year old CPT ordering a 50 year old technical WO to do Lieutenant duties. The commanders complained up the line. The Army accessed the situation and decided that WOCS should to be more of a leadership school like "O Grade" OCS, and that WOs should go through this new WOCS and no longer be appointed. WOCS has in recent years changed again to make the WOs to have a more "front line" readiness posture.
Thank you for putting out this video. Since the AF doesn't have WOs, I wouldn't of even thought about this career path if you hadn't been making videos.
Holy shit, never thought I'd see my own face on someone else's video! (That's my WOCs class you used for the sign/senior pin/bag drag pictures) Cheers!
@Eric Gregory I am in the national guard and went through an RTI WOCS program. It wasn't easy but it worth it. The program is under going a large scale change
Thank you for doing these videos Chief! It was pretty rough for me when I did WOCS last year, I still persevered and got it done regardless, keep up the awesome videos Mr. G
It sure has changed. In 79, we went through WOCS and successfully completed Flight School before our appointment as a W-1. All worth it. Retired CW4 93. Check of the month club for 30 years.
The cost of laundry…sending the PT uniform off everyday to then receive that afternoon clean for the following day…just the whole cost was a good chunk. That was back in 2004.
People going to WOCS can look at it like 2nd phase of Boot Camp. I respect all WOCS because for the most part, and my experience with WOCS they specialize in there filled. My first experience was a Maintenance WOCS that taught me alot starting out in my career. I didn't get the chance because of Medical issues to follow my dream to become one. Thanks to all that have served and continue to serve our Nation as WOCS.
For flight ppl, its alot of stuff to do in a short time. PCS and all that. WOCS cadre is pretty chill and will allow you to handle some things. Just comply and you will graduate, have everything dont skimp on anything. do the laundry service, get the coffee, play the game. you will forget about wocs real quick when its done. Great video Chief, if anybody has questions about flight im open for you!
@@RT413 just comply and move on. gonna be alot of ppl with the "right" answer to everything. stay low and keep moving. its the easiest course in the world in my opinion and a big waste of time. Land Nav is land nav, i never had a problem with it but some do
I have a buddy getting ready to ship to BCT in a couple months as part of the flight warrant pipeline. What should he expect as far as PCS etc going from BCT to WOCS to WOFT
Thanks a lot for this video. Every WO I've talked to has given me a very basic explanation of what WOCS is like and has made it sound like a walk in the park but I always have an instinct of preparing for the worst and doing as much research as I can before committing myself to something. I appreciate the info!
I actually graduated with the class in the picture he showed. We were apparently one of the last classes to go through in the lets call it "style" that they did it in.
Class shoelaces... I went through with the attitude of, "I can stand on my head for as long as I need to in order to get this done." Along with that was the idea that, to be a good leader, I had to be a good follower as well.
I really wanted to return to military service as a black hawk pilot and do the street-to-seat warrant officer program. I went as far as to study my SIFT packet and was partially through the recruiting process. Then I failed the age limit (since it took so long for MEPS) and the eyesight. So I was pretty sad.
I showed up at WOCS coming from the Marines. No uniforms, dog tags, or ID card. Company 1SG was not impressed! Remained a WOC for 11 months until graduating flight school. (now they get their bar after WOCS) I returned 2.5 years later for instructor pilot duties, went to maintenance test pilot school after 4 years, returned for another 4 years of instructor pilot duties, the back to Korea for my final 3.5 years. Never flew again but did another 22 years in DoD contractor aircraft logistics. It was a great ride!
Gentleman course :). Went through AF OTS back in the early 90s. The initial phase was definitely not a gentleman's course. I was prior enlisted and I was glad I was. I would not have made it through right out of college. I needed to mature alot first.
Probably my crowning moment in WOCS was in the very beginning I had only 2 towels when I needed 4…. Dunno how that happened… but I did pass the layout with 4 “towels”
Warrant Officers are cool! I never had a problem getting along with the pilots while stationed in Germany. Crew chiefs told me they're better pilots than Commissioned Officers! LOL!
@@easyy376 Congratulations and wean yourself off coffee completely before you get there. I was curled up like a heroin addict going through withdrawals.
I had a handful of navy and airforce blokes in my class. The biggest thing for them was adjusting to the army. It would be smart to brush up on army customs and courtesies, standard jargon etc but know you will also have a class full of people who can help you out. Just be humble and teachable and you will be fine.
I was a walking warrant. School at Ft. Rucker, Alabama. Any training at 6'9" wasn't as easy as you would think. Got out as a CW3. Wished I never got out but my neck and lower back was so messed up.
I would say WOCS is academically challenging. A lot of "pump & dump" during the academic blocks. Initially was challenging because your ability to be technically proficient is tested. You will need to memorize a lot of technical information on military systems that you likely have never heard of, knew existed, has nothing to do with your MOS, and will never see again in your life. As soon as you test out of a block, dump what you memorized and get ready for the next block because it starts right after the previous test. During land nav, follow the roads and RUN/JOG between points. This will buy you time if you struggle finding a point. And do your best to find all 4 points, just in case 1 you find is wrong, you'll still pass with 3/4. Ruck wasn't bad, my strategy was to power walk on the uphill portions and shuffle run on the downhill.
I just graduated WOCS and thankfully it isn't AS financially intensive now, at least with the cost of laundry gone now. But still costs quite a bit. The school house is going through a large restructuring compared to when everyone else went through, but definitely for the better. It's a great time to go if someone thought about going now.
@@terrencesettle4056 While I was there we didn't use a laundry service, so we had to do our own laundry. It is far more candidate led, so you'll see less of the TACs and rely more on your student CoC. We didn't have the 7 minute wake up drills, and were more self directed after 2130 on when to go to bed. We graduated 88 out of 90 candidates. No rifle PT or bag drag - it is now bag relocation. If you really want the dot, you'll be fine. Just come together as a team, help one another, and lead when you're a leader, and follow when you're not - start shifting your mindset to be more of a mentor than an executer, and it'll make it that much easier.
@@GetTheFO Physically it isn't really too difficult. The hardest part was the victory runs. If you can get some good interval runs in going at a 9 min/mile pace or faster for 4 miles then you will be fine.
Also, when I wrnt tgru WOC course, and Flight School, the ladt chapter in the WOC manual was how to do "PRANKS"...(class Moral Officer had to write permission request memo's, etc before we could do them). ...So, we did a daily small prank, and a weekly BIG prank, TAC OFFICERS loved us!!! I hear they took that chapter out since then!!!
What’s weird is seeing so many WO1s in formation in the mornings. Not to worry, they’ll never stand in another formation again when they become twos and threes…fours and fives- the tower of power…they’re technically retired but still on the books, collecting both retirement, salary, BAH, OHA, sep pay, hazard duty and combat imminent danger pay all tax free while stateside
Just got selected for flight school as an e4 in the NG going to AD. Luckily I have no family to bring with me but damn. Saving up for a 2000 mile move is near impossible and just the fear of getting screwed by moving my stuff there is insane. fitness wise though I'm damn surprised I can do as much as I can given how broken my civilian job has made me but fuck. This is gonna be something
I went thru the basic WOC Course in 1988, needed about $500 just to pay for all the stupid "extra" items (a fishing tackle box to put inspection preparation items in, a mini-Ironing board, iron, bankers clips, 2" wide masking tape, brasso, yard signs, Magic sizing, double stick tape, wood spacer for brass placement and drawers placement, 3x5 cards, ruler, shower shoes, etc) and BDU/DRESS UNIFORM uniform cleanings. A good watch with an alarm, with it...I woke up 5-minutes prior to lights on, put on shower shoes (not sneakers, that would be cheating), used latrine, got a drink of water (TAC OFFICER STANDING IN DARK CORNER WATCHING ME - LOL)..then back to bed for a few seconds, then, Lights on, and morning madness begins!!! And, I'm all awake and freshened up - already!!! The only laundry my class did in the WWII barracks @Ft. RUCKER, AL (torn down now) was socks, underwear, PT CLOTHES in the evenings.
Thanks for the run down. I'm a 12 year Air Force E5 looking at jumping into the CWO and hadn't really gotten the opportunity to work with a Chief beyond interaction with a 350F at my last unit. Have any advice for those jumping from the sister services? We don't have any Army materials here so I'll probably have to drive to Ft Bliss to get the gear if I get picked up!
"A WARRANT OFFICER CANDIDATE WILL NOT LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, OR TOLERATE ANYONE WHO DOES". That's the official school motto! Unofficially - "A WARRANT OFFICER CANDIDATE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANYONE WHO LIES, CHEATS, STEALS, AND GETS CAUGHT"... I can think of 4 ways to cheat, and not get caught... The 4th one, Holiday break in training in WOC Flight School, 2-man rooms. My room mate, with wives off post, ladt day of Leave, and I went to our room, emptied everything out into the hallway, completely stripped the floor with razor blades down to bare tile. High quality Johnson's floor wax we bought x3 coats buffed, looked awesome! Dusted off all the furniture, put it back without scaratching the floor. Even shaved the chair leg's nasty floor slides to look new! No one else ever knew we did that! Monday, back at class, a TAC OFFICER went thru every room, flipped the chsirs up, and gave everyone else with nasty sliders an hour of marching tour punishments (18 demerit points) except us. Did we brag - No. We joined everyone else doing the punishment marching, like we got the demerits too (but didn't) no one ever caught on!!! Time for final room inspection to graduate, ours was flawless!
Can’t seem to find a good answer on the amount of time it takes between graduating wocs and starting wobc. Also can’t find anywhere that talks about the length of time between being selected and going to wocs.
Recommendations for items to send to a female Candidate as a care package? I was thinking moleskin, map pens, hair ties, baby wipes, foot powder, rite in rain. What are your thoughts.
I was supposed to leave for October start date and flight school date march 2025...but I got a concussion at JRTC flight surgeon rescinded their decision and disqualified me... What is next?
Why would a commisioned officer want to be a warrant officer. That would be a step down in the UK military. Things are obviously different over your side of the pond.
Navy Chief applying for Navy CWO here so forgive the ignorance. @6:35 he talks about former Major/Captains going to WOCS. Is this a thing, and if so how?
I have been a warrant over 15 years and usually officer that are transitioning to warrant don’t have to go to WOCS. They have already been to a commissioning school.
My dad was in the army at 1970.. airborne.. then he went to intel and was a E-7 after just 5 years in the army... went to the warrant office school in ft huachuca.. He skipped W1 and went to CW2 right away.. His commanders needed him to get out of E-7 and go to CW2 because he was THAT good at his Job and in positions that needed the rank.. he went to CW3, and then retired but the offered him CW4 which at the time was the highest, now they have CW5.. sadly he passed away from liver cancer 5 years after he retired in 98.... Not many people i imagine can skip ranks like he was able Things might have changed from back then to now based on what youre saying but my dad was excempt from ruck martching and crazy PT.. he broke his ankles from airborne and had pins and screws.. and couldnt run very well anymore. Just walking hurt him... He was Intel in important positions he even taught cryptology and other stuff in the military.. not some grunt work. He mainly got out after 22 years because he could make more money civilian working at the army space program office, and tencap then in the army... he retired.. took a test at the University of new york and got his 4 year degree without even going to school, mainly because of military background he already knew it all.. it was a degree in science. and civilian work he became a computer scientist. I remember going to his work as a kid and they had vault doors 2 feet thick that would swing open and close where you entered.. lol... shame all that time and work he did and he dies at 45 from cancer, all because of that blood transfusion when he broke his ankles which gave him hep c... and of course the medical records were redacted.. This is why i hate the US gov, and the military.. They dont care, they can all kiss my ass
Some of the most gangster chiefs I met in my 9 years. Tabbed SF chiefs. Talk about Master of your profession. Dude knew my job junior 18E job lol. Fairly certain dude was a walking FM. But regardless, cheers to you bad ass mofos!
Is it unrealistic for an E4 to want to jump into warrant officer? My mos of 3 years isn't teaching me anything new and has done nothing but slowly destroy my body and lessen my interest in the army as a career. I have the motivation and knowledge to become a seargant, although as a 13B nco I will have no time for absolutely anything outside of work and this will more than likely effect my family. Which is currently happening right now to multiple of my leaders. I'm interested in furthering my knowledge and I could really use the challenge.
I'm sorry, but why oh why would a Sergeant Major want to transition like that? Wouldn't that be like going from the top of one ladder to the bottom of a different one? Is the Warrant Officer Illuminati clique worth it?
I graduated November 2019, Class 20-01, Purple Lions.....at that time, I was 40 years old with 22 years TIG and E-7; I was the 5th oldest out of 90 graduates in my class......I honestly had no problem checking my ego at the door and swallowing my pride, not to mention I was a recycle from the previous class for land navigation failure - here's the BLUF, if you want something and when you're trying to achieve a goal, you have to find that discipline and drive in you to succeed.....once I made the decision to go warrant and drop my packet, nothing was going to stop me; I didn't care that I had to fold shirts, do rifle PRT or go through the 7-minute morning wakeup - I was going to leave Fort Rucker wearing WO1, one way or another.....this video is spot on, WOCS is not difficult, but it will be if you're not prepared for it; it's NOT a gentleman's course, but you'll eventually see the dynamics as to why the course is meant to be taught that way - be a team player, lead when it's your turn to lead, follow when it's not, don't be a blue falcon and just remember why you're there and what you came to accomplish and go home with.....Strength In Knowledge!
Class 22-001... every thing you said is spot on.
I'm a Purple Lion as well, hope things are going well brother!
Good write up!
22 years time in grade or did you mean time in service?
Lol you were the class right behind me I believe. I was 19-19, September 2019.
i think its knowledge is strength
Bop down that music a bit, man.
After a career in the military, that hearing probably isn't what it used to be. Damn you 3M *shakes fist
@@leprechaunlune What?
@@darrenu1339 Exactly 😆
@@darrenu1339 there's a case against 3M for faulty hearing protection that's caused a lot of hearing issues for their clients, many in the military
@@herrtrigger3299 yep. I doubt any payout will be worth the trouble
I came off the trail in mid '04 and went to WOCS, then flight school. Was an E-7...immediately a target for the TACs. I liked your brief on "conduct". Very true. Even as a more seasoned dude, had no issues following as well as leading. Some did. Just keep your ego in check and you'll be good. Thanks for the material, brother.
How was flight school? I’ve heard it’s really demanding because you have so much to memorise
@@juanmejiagomez5514 it is demanding but obviously achievable. Just depends how bad you want it. Flight school is a blast. Don’t wait.
@@floyd4311 Thanks for the info. For now it’s just a thought though, as I’ve never even been to the US before. I’d like to gain US citizenship and my plan A is to pursue a master’s degree in I/O psychology here in Europe to increase my chances of qualifying for an immigrant worker visa. Recently though I’ve been having an itch for the military and flying sounds like a blast, so, if my academic plans don’t work out, I have been thinking of applying to any job that is able to hire aliens to get a visa, wait however long it takes for the green card, then proceed with the naturalization through military service, and since if I join the military I will have to be there for a while, I might as well pick an mos that is enjoyable and that also has a good carryover to civilian life.
@@juanmejiagomez5514 sounds like you’ve got a plan. Best of luck to you!
Thanks for the video. One tip i don't share much. On the road march. Get a tiny carabiner. Clip it to your weapon and vest at the sholder. Hold the grip. Place your magazine on your belt or tucked close in but not completely in as it's visible. You are now at the ready. You can drop your weapon to your side as long as you maintain your grip on the grip. Pay attention to detail in what they tell you to do. I had another student complain about the carabiner. The cadre politely told them. I was at the ready an meeting standard. "He's gonna make a great warrant." That's how we carried in theater and no one had a problem with it. Last thing i ever want too drop was my weapon.
The “thousand dollar dot” is no joke. Absolutely hit the nail on the head.
How? This program has been watered down soooo much. It used to be hard. Now it’s it’s so dang cushy.
@@danachernault84 what do you mean how? I wasn’t talking about it being easy or hard. The fact you have to spend about a grand to get all the things you need in the course is why it’s called the “Thousand dollar Dot”
Wow. I did WOCS back in 2005. I was a high speed E6 that stumbled into the Warrant Life. Best decision I ever made. Retired as a CW3 in 2017. It's interesting to see how much things have changed.
Black trench coat? You mean the "Uncle Fester"?
Very Interesting all the changes. I did WOCS in 2005 as a SSG as well. Retired CW3 in 2013. Best decision I ever made in my 32 years of service.
The PT test when I went through had a different “passing” score, it was at least an 80 in each event, not an issue for most of the soldiers-but I remember some folks being caught off guard from the run.
As a veteran, I simply enjoyed listening to the insights and experiences of a Chief. This was an awesome vid, thanks for sharing, Sir
You're a good dude. The Army needs more mentors and leaders like you man. I don't like respect to many people but I got alot of respect for you and your content.
I went thru the WOCS, 1989, "High school to Flight School " I was a college graduate, from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University class of 1989. I had a commercial pilots license, and I was a CFI/II. I kept my mouth shut and did what was asked of me. I graduated a year later in the top 5 of my class of 150. We had so many senior NCO's in WOC B that could not adjust. I found them to be bitter out of shape and not really willing to learn what was required. My class had 10 NCOS from the intelligence community walk out on start day. So from that moment on in my 23 year career and ending as a CW4 and declining a CW5 promotion (I was assigned to Redstone Arsenal my Family asked me to retire, so I did), I never saw NCO'S in the same light. Not to beat on them but the Warrants get a bad reputation for PT avoidance and general lack of dripline, all not founded. My final PT test in the Army, I made it a point to excel and dispel these, BS notions. I did 100PU, 100SU, ran a 13:20 2 mile. My 06's jaw dropped. I was 45 at the time.
@markmata389 Stationed at Stanley in Korea? A co 2-2?
I graduated November 2022. Went TDY return. Then from Germany I cleared my unit and went TDY Enroute. I’ve PCS’d three times prior but this by far has been the most frustrating for my family and I. We didn’t request our exception to policy to have our BAH started for next duty station. Caused my family to decide to have them stay not at our next duty station but drive across the country to have them stay with family because we were getting our transition BAH rate (almost $500 less a month). Now we’re finishing my WOBC. Then once done we’re gonna move again back to our duty station during the summer season. This video is SPOT ON! Plan ahead accordingly.
CW5 (Ret) here. I went through as a 43 year old E7. The WOCS has changed several times through its life. However, to answer why different ranks go through WOCS are as follows.
1. The E8s/E9s are usually from the hard charging services (Infantry, Armor, SF, Ranger, etc) that have been promoted quickly and have much TIG and maybe are being pushed out of the Army. So they go WO to stay in the Army. Also a WO may stay to a higher age.
2. Similarly, there are traditional "O Grade" officers that are being boarded out of the service, unless they apply and are accepted into the WO program. If they have 10+ years as an "O Grade" they can retire at the higher grade (with higher pay). Usually the Army officers only go through the WOBC and not WOCS. That may have changed in recent years.
3. There are officers (usually pilots) from other services that want to fly on the front lines in Army Helos. The idea is that if they make it through WOCS then they have "adapted" to the Army and can then go through Army Flight School.
During WWI and WWII the WO the Army needed special technical skills, thus Enlisted and even Civilians that had these skills were appointed to the WO grades, except for the young pilots. However, during the 80s/90s many Army units were short on Lieutenants and Captains. The unit commanders began using the WOs to do many of the duties and tasks that the junior "O Grades" would normally do. This was an awkward time. Consider a 25 year old CPT ordering a 50 year old technical WO to do Lieutenant duties. The commanders complained up the line. The Army accessed the situation and decided that WOCS should to be more of a leadership school like "O Grade" OCS, and that WOs should go through this new WOCS and no longer be appointed. WOCS has in recent years changed again to make the WOs to have a more "front line" readiness posture.
Thank you for your service Legend. I myself just retired for medical reasons last year
Great video! As an ARNG Warrant Officer Strength Manager, I will share this with my applicants.
Thank you for putting out this video. Since the AF doesn't have WOs, I wouldn't of even thought about this career path if you hadn't been making videos.
Holy shit, never thought I'd see my own face on someone else's video! (That's my WOCs class you used for the sign/senior pin/bag drag pictures) Cheers!
That $1000 dot can quickly become 2 or 3 thousand depending on situation and purchases made throughout the course as well. You make it back though.
Just graduated WOCS last Friday really with I would have seen this video back when I was doing my packet. Great information and tips
How was it? Got a few questions
@Eric Gregory I am in the national guard and went through an RTI WOCS program. It wasn't easy but it worth it. The program is under going a large scale change
Thank you for doing these videos Chief! It was pretty rough for me when I did WOCS last year, I still persevered and got it done regardless, keep up the awesome videos Mr. G
It sure has changed. In 79, we went through WOCS and successfully completed Flight School before our appointment as a W-1. All worth it. Retired CW4 93. Check of the month club for 30 years.
The cost of laundry…sending the PT uniform off everyday to then receive that afternoon clean for the following day…just the whole cost was a good chunk.
That was back in 2004.
People going to WOCS can look at it like 2nd phase of Boot Camp. I respect all WOCS because for the most part, and my experience with WOCS they specialize in there filled. My first experience was a Maintenance WOCS that taught me alot starting out in my career. I didn't get the chance because of Medical issues to follow my dream to become one. Thanks to all that have served and continue to serve our Nation as WOCS.
Great info. When I was getting ready to go as a senior leader, I had no idea what to expect!
Love when dad posts a helpful video
For flight ppl, its alot of stuff to do in a short time. PCS and all that. WOCS cadre is pretty chill and will allow you to handle some things. Just comply and you will graduate, have everything dont skimp on anything. do the laundry service, get the coffee, play the game. you will forget about wocs real quick when its done. Great video Chief, if anybody has questions about flight im open for you!
Thank you for the advice Sir, I'm flight candidate on the class Apr.2023, it's any details for success in WOCS? I know land nav is pretty big deal..
@@RT413 just comply and move on. gonna be alot of ppl with the "right" answer to everything. stay low and keep moving. its the easiest course in the world in my opinion and a big waste of time. Land Nav is land nav, i never had a problem with it but some do
I have a buddy getting ready to ship to BCT in a couple months as part of the flight warrant pipeline. What should he expect as far as PCS etc going from BCT to WOCS to WOFT
What kind of flight hours are you getting as an army helicopter pilot outside of pilot school? I hear it's not as much as it ought to be.
Thanks a lot for this video. Every WO I've talked to has given me a very basic explanation of what WOCS is like and has made it sound like a walk in the park but I always have an instinct of preparing for the worst and doing as much research as I can before committing myself to something. I appreciate the info!
It IS a walk in the park compared to what it used to be. 🙄
Crazy I randomly recognized one of my prior drill sergeants from a few years back at 6:39 to the left of the guideon, Congrats drill sergeant T!
I actually graduated with the class in the picture he showed. We were apparently one of the last classes to go through in the lets call it "style" that they did it in.
Class shoelaces... I went through with the attitude of, "I can stand on my head for as long as I need to in order to get this done." Along with that was the idea that, to be a good leader, I had to be a good follower as well.
This is great thanks. Love your content. Your videos helped solidify the decision to go warrant. Appreciate your guidance.
I really wanted to return to military service as a black hawk pilot and do the street-to-seat warrant officer program. I went as far as to study my SIFT packet and was partially through the recruiting process. Then I failed the age limit (since it took so long for MEPS) and the eyesight. So I was pretty sad.
There’s a waiver for everything and LASIK. You should keep trying.
Lol. Join the navy old timer
@@Big_AlMC I should!
@@michaelw2263 no disrespect meant to your agel either lol. You know how it is in service anyone over 27 is looked at as old timer or old salt.
I showed up at WOCS coming from the Marines. No uniforms, dog tags, or ID card. Company 1SG was not impressed! Remained a WOC for 11 months until graduating flight school. (now they get their bar after WOCS) I returned 2.5 years later for instructor pilot duties, went to maintenance test pilot school after 4 years, returned for another 4 years of instructor pilot duties, the back to Korea for my final 3.5 years. Never flew again but did another 22 years in DoD contractor aircraft logistics. It was a great ride!
Gentleman course :). Went through AF OTS back in the early 90s. The initial phase was definitely not a gentleman's course. I was prior enlisted and I was glad I was. I would not have made it through right out of college. I needed to mature alot first.
Probably my crowning moment in WOCS was in the very beginning I had only 2 towels when I needed 4…. Dunno how that happened… but I did pass the layout with 4 “towels”
Time to learn how to walk the WOC(s)
I plan on going in the future but I'm afraid of the land nav part. I'm so bad at land nav and never practice at my unit.
As a direct appointment warrant officer in 1981, this approach to creating technical services warrant officers, creates 3rd lieutenants.
Warrant Officers are cool! I never had a problem getting along with the pilots while stationed in Germany. Crew chiefs told me they're better pilots than Commissioned Officers! LOL!
My WO board is in a couple weeks. Wish me luck!
Did you make it??
@@dantereynolds5269 yeah. Going to WOCS next month.
@@easyy376 hell yeah man I hope to make it this year
@@dantereynolds5269 if I can do it, anyone can do it! :D good luck!
@@easyy376 Congratulations and wean yourself off coffee completely before you get there. I was curled up like a heroin addict going through withdrawals.
Loved the information! I’m an active duty E5 in the Navy. Would you be able to do a video with a warrant that came from another branch?
I had a handful of navy and airforce blokes in my class. The biggest thing for them was adjusting to the army. It would be smart to brush up on army customs and courtesies, standard jargon etc but know you will also have a class full of people who can help you out. Just be humble and teachable and you will be fine.
The music is a lil' loud but good info.
I see some of these WOCS pictures are from pretty recent, quite a few familiar faces.
Currently a CW3 and up for 4 next summer. Went to Ft. Rucker class 10-18 June to July 2010.
I was a walking warrant. School at Ft. Rucker, Alabama. Any training at 6'9" wasn't as easy as you would think. Got out as a CW3. Wished I never got out but my neck and lower back was so messed up.
I would say WOCS is academically challenging. A lot of "pump & dump" during the academic blocks. Initially was challenging because your ability to be technically proficient is tested. You will need to memorize a lot of technical information on military systems that you likely have never heard of, knew existed, has nothing to do with your MOS, and will never see again in your life. As soon as you test out of a block, dump what you memorized and get ready for the next block because it starts right after the previous test.
During land nav, follow the roads and RUN/JOG between points. This will buy you time if you struggle finding a point. And do your best to find all 4 points, just in case 1 you find is wrong, you'll still pass with 3/4.
Ruck wasn't bad, my strategy was to power walk on the uphill portions and shuffle run on the downhill.
I just graduated WOCS and thankfully it isn't AS financially intensive now, at least with the cost of laundry gone now. But still costs quite a bit. The school house is going through a large restructuring compared to when everyone else went through, but definitely for the better. It's a great time to go if someone thought about going now.
Elaborate more on what’s it like. I’m going soon
@@terrencesettle4056 While I was there we didn't use a laundry service, so we had to do our own laundry. It is far more candidate led, so you'll see less of the TACs and rely more on your student CoC. We didn't have the 7 minute wake up drills, and were more self directed after 2130 on when to go to bed. We graduated 88 out of 90 candidates. No rifle PT or bag drag - it is now bag relocation. If you really want the dot, you'll be fine. Just come together as a team, help one another, and lead when you're a leader, and follow when you're not - start shifting your mindset to be more of a mentor than an executer, and it'll make it that much easier.
How is it for the physical regimen? Wife is attending and I want to try and get a good routine to prep her
@@GetTheFO Physically it isn't really too difficult. The hardest part was the victory runs. If you can get some good interval runs in going at a 9 min/mile pace or faster for 4 miles then you will be fine.
@@vaeringard Awesome, she’s not quite there but that’s an excellent goal to start working on. I appreciate the info!
Also, when I wrnt tgru WOC course, and Flight School, the ladt chapter in the WOC manual was how to do "PRANKS"...(class Moral Officer had to write permission request memo's, etc before we could do them).
...So, we did a daily small prank, and a weekly BIG prank, TAC OFFICERS loved us!!! I hear they took that chapter out since then!!!
What’s weird is seeing so many WO1s in formation in the mornings. Not to worry, they’ll never stand in another formation again when they become twos and threes…fours and fives- the tower of power…they’re technically retired but still on the books, collecting both retirement, salary, BAH, OHA, sep pay, hazard duty and combat imminent danger pay all tax free while stateside
Good stuff chief. I have always wanted to go but as an 88m I need. tc-aimes and UMO BEFORE I CAN DROP my packet
Just got selected for flight school as an e4 in the NG going to AD. Luckily I have no family to bring with me but damn. Saving up for a 2000 mile move is near impossible and just the fear of getting screwed by moving my stuff there is insane. fitness wise though I'm damn surprised I can do as much as I can given how broken my civilian job has made me but fuck. This is gonna be something
I’m also an E-4 working on a woft packet. Any advice about the process or why you wanted a 10 year contract?
Recently, I heard that it has changed a bit
changed how
What has changed???
Since the Air Force doesn't have warrant officers, is that what their Technical Sergeants are?
I went thru the basic WOC Course in 1988, needed about $500 just to pay for all the stupid "extra" items (a fishing tackle box to put inspection preparation items in, a mini-Ironing board, iron, bankers clips, 2" wide masking tape, brasso, yard signs, Magic sizing, double stick tape, wood spacer for brass placement and drawers placement, 3x5 cards, ruler, shower shoes, etc) and BDU/DRESS UNIFORM uniform cleanings. A good watch with an alarm, with it...I woke up 5-minutes prior to lights on, put on shower shoes (not sneakers, that would be cheating), used latrine, got a drink of water (TAC OFFICER STANDING IN DARK CORNER WATCHING ME - LOL)..then back to bed for a few seconds, then, Lights on, and morning madness begins!!! And, I'm all awake and freshened up - already!!!
The only laundry my class did in the WWII barracks @Ft. RUCKER, AL (torn down now) was socks, underwear, PT CLOTHES in the evenings.
Thanks for the run down. I'm a 12 year Air Force E5 looking at jumping into the CWO and hadn't really gotten the opportunity to work with a Chief beyond interaction with a 350F at my last unit. Have any advice for those jumping from the sister services? We don't have any Army materials here so I'll probably have to drive to Ft Bliss to get the gear if I get picked up!
Im glad to know you're a mass effect fan
"A WARRANT OFFICER CANDIDATE WILL NOT LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, OR TOLERATE ANYONE WHO DOES".
That's the official school motto!
Unofficially -
"A WARRANT OFFICER CANDIDATE WILL NOT TOLERATE ANYONE WHO LIES, CHEATS, STEALS, AND GETS CAUGHT"...
I can think of 4 ways to cheat, and not get caught...
The 4th one, Holiday break in training in WOC Flight School, 2-man rooms. My room mate, with wives off post, ladt day of Leave, and I went to our room, emptied everything out into the hallway, completely stripped the floor with razor blades down to bare tile. High quality Johnson's floor wax we bought x3 coats buffed, looked awesome! Dusted off all the furniture, put it back without scaratching the floor. Even shaved the chair leg's nasty floor slides to look new! No one else ever knew we did that!
Monday, back at class, a TAC OFFICER went thru every room, flipped the chsirs up, and gave everyone else with nasty sliders an hour of marching tour punishments (18 demerit points) except us. Did we brag - No. We joined everyone else doing the punishment marching, like we got the demerits too (but didn't) no one ever caught on!!! Time for final room inspection to graduate, ours was flawless!
A few of those pictures were of my class. Class 22-502 Silverbacks.
Why am I watching this? I left the military years ago.
If I had to do it all over again, I would definitely go the warrant officer route.
Was that Senior TAC Duncan?
Great explanation and video. One piece of advice, turn down the background music. It is a bit too forward and at times over does your talking points.
Can’t seem to find a good answer on the amount of time it takes between graduating wocs and starting wobc.
Also can’t find anywhere that talks about the length of time between being selected and going to wocs.
I just passed FedRec and am not preparing to attend WOCS at the end of summer.
How do you season them?
Recommendations for items to send to a female Candidate as a care package? I was thinking moleskin, map pens, hair ties, baby wipes, foot powder, rite in rain. What are your thoughts.
How was land nav specifically- I’m not the best
Thank you for this video.
Do I have to buy my own Cloak Of Invisibility (COI) before the course starts or is it issued after completion? Enquiring minds need to know.
Gray Flight 🎱80-01 (WOCD 79-43) here.
Great video!
Why do the warrant officers show have black field caps.
Hey, know how to write a memo. Know your PRT, pay attention to detail. Have your *FINANCIAL AFFAIRS* in order. You're going to spend between 600-1100$
Is WOCS the same for SOF guys as it is for non-SOF people?
Yes
Gotta lose the music 😂
Appreciate this vid 🔥👌
I was supposed to leave for October start date and flight school date march 2025...but I got a concussion at JRTC flight surgeon rescinded their decision and disqualified me... What is next?
I’m looking at pursuing the army’s street to seat program, do you have any advice for someone who would be going to WOCS immediately after basic?
I’m about to report next Monday, October 7th, 2024. One thing I’ve been told is just to play the game.
I'm 32, in basic AIT right now yo become a 13Fox, how do I go about signing up for WOCS
Why would a commisioned officer want to be a warrant officer. That would be a step down in the UK military. Things are obviously different over your side of the pond.
Funny to see people I know in the photos
I bought the trench coat, and then it got removed from the packing list anyway😐
Chief… do they not teach audio leveling at WOC?
Time stamps to cut the active duty stuff that doesn't apply to reserves/NG
Navy Chief applying for Navy CWO here so forgive the ignorance. @6:35 he talks about former Major/Captains going to WOCS. Is this a thing, and if so how?
I have been a warrant over 15 years and usually officer that are transitioning to warrant don’t have to go to WOCS. They have already been to a commissioning school.
@Keith Roberson So why would Majors and Captains being going to WOCS as stated @6:35
My dad was in the army at 1970.. airborne.. then he went to intel and was a E-7 after just 5 years in the army... went to the warrant office school in ft huachuca.. He skipped W1 and went to CW2 right away.. His commanders needed him to get out of E-7 and go to CW2 because he was THAT good at his Job and in positions that needed the rank.. he went to CW3, and then retired but the offered him CW4 which at the time was the highest, now they have CW5.. sadly he passed away from liver cancer 5 years after he retired in 98.... Not many people i imagine can skip ranks like he was able
Things might have changed from back then to now based on what youre saying but my dad was excempt from ruck martching and crazy PT.. he broke his ankles from airborne and had pins and screws.. and couldnt run very well anymore. Just walking hurt him... He was Intel in important positions he even taught cryptology and other stuff in the military.. not some grunt work.
He mainly got out after 22 years because he could make more money civilian working at the army space program office, and tencap then in the army... he retired.. took a test at the University of new york and got his 4 year degree without even going to school, mainly because of military background he already knew it all.. it was a degree in science. and civilian work he became a computer scientist. I remember going to his work as a kid and they had vault doors 2 feet thick that would swing open and close where you entered.. lol... shame all that time and work he did and he dies at 45 from cancer, all because of that blood transfusion when he broke his ankles which gave him hep c... and of course the medical records were redacted.. This is why i hate the US gov, and the military.. They dont care, they can all kiss my ass
Best career decision.
Don't understand why an 03 or 04 would switch over to Warrant?
Some of the most gangster chiefs I met in my 9 years. Tabbed SF chiefs. Talk about Master of your profession. Dude knew my job junior 18E job lol. Fairly certain dude was a walking FM. But regardless, cheers to you bad ass mofos!
Do yall get issued short brim boonies ????
Sick Mass Effect poster!!
That music is crazy moud my man!
Heh, came here straight from Long's channel to see what he's in for.
Hey men, how many weeks is the course?
About 5 1/2 weeks
Cant wait for WOFT just got accepted already have my PPL. So flying the Helicopter should be a breeze
I am finishing my PPL before I start the process. Do you have any advice?
Obstacle course at WOCS at all?
Does having a permanent profile for lower body hurt chances of being selected for WOCS?
Is it unrealistic for an E4 to want to jump into warrant officer? My mos of 3 years isn't teaching me anything new and has done nothing but slowly destroy my body and lessen my interest in the army as a career. I have the motivation and knowledge to become a seargant, although as a 13B nco I will have no time for absolutely anything outside of work and this will more than likely effect my family. Which is currently happening right now to multiple of my leaders. I'm interested in furthering my knowledge and I could really use the challenge.
Become a 13R you goober. Stop sending rounds and track them. Then fast track to a fires WO. You already understand a bit of it being a gun bunny.
I think you have to make E6 first
This was a very interesting video, I always thought WOCS was pronounced Whoah-CS instead of Woks💀
Also, new ALARACT concerning direct commission to WO/ New WOCS packet submission guidelines.
He said “pawned of” so casually🤣
I'm sorry, but why oh why would a Sergeant Major want to transition like that? Wouldn't that be like going from the top of one ladder to the bottom of a different one? Is the Warrant Officer Illuminati clique worth it?