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  • This video is a breakdown of the 1954 Movie "Animal farm" based on the book of the same name. I explain the themes, symbolism and historical parallels which gives me the opportunity to talk about the history of the soviet union.
    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    2:54 Pre-Revolution
    4:41 Revolution & Civil War
    5:40 Rebuilding
    8:40 NEP
    11:10 Stalin takes power
    14:05 5-year plan
    18:08 World War 2
    19:35 Rebuilding v2
    22:02 Cold War
    23:27 Conclusion
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    Transcript: Animal farm is a book, you might have heard about it. It’s a pretty famous one, it was written by George Orwell who also wrote 1984. It was released right as world war two was coming to a close and later there would be two movies based on it. One animated movie from 9 years later and another movie which was live action and made in 1999. I haven’t seen that one so I’ll say nothing about it though as I’ve heard the story goes on for a bit longer. On the surface it’s a book about animals that grow tired of humans taking off them without giving back which then rebel and create their own farm which eventually becomes just as bad. However, at this point pretty much everyone knows that it was a thinly vailed retelling of the story of the Soviet Union.
    Remember that in the 50s when this was written the Soviet Union was only around 20 years or so and most people, including Orwell knew what happened because they lived during it. So the usual story is that Orwell wanted to tell the peoples of the world that communism sounds really good in theory but that in practice it always returns to the system it was before. There are problems with this analysis, among them that it’s quite shallow but apparently the CIA didn’t think so because they helped sponsor the animated movie as anti-communist propaganda and apparently the book is still required reading in schools in the US or something like that?
    The US teachers of course tend to stick with this rather obvious surface level explanation that everything moves back to how it was. But, it doesn’t have to be interpreted that way, it could also be seen as anti-authoritarian. Many claim that Orwell himself was a socialist and that he couldn’t have been anti communist because of that. It seems that his beliefs depend on what definition of socialism you are using. It doesn’t seem like he was a fan of revolution but he wanted healthcare and apparently in America that makes you a communist.
    But that’s not the point of this video, the point is to explain the real life parallels the book was based on one by one. Please note I will mainly talk about the 1954 Movie, though I have read the book and I will mention some parts from it when I feel like it’s an important change. That being said, let’s go:
    We start off with a narration explaining that Manor Farm is not doing well, it used to be a good farm but the farmer mister Jones changed and now he treats his animals badly and the farm is in a bad state because of it. This makes the animals unhappy.
    And this is our first parallel, the farm is supposed to be the Russian empire around 1900, once great, like during the reign of Peter the great, but now not as much. And the ruler at the time, Tsar Nicolas II was widely seen as an incompetent and bad ruler. For example, he lost the Russo-Japanese war, refused to give the new parliament any power and oversaw multiple human rights violations like when he ordered his army to shoot into a crowd of peaceful protestors.
    The animals are supposed to be, in the Marxist sense, the working class. They are the ones who work by producing things in opposition to farmer jones who doesn’t work and just takes the things the animals produce as his. If you are familiar with Marxism this is quite an obvious parallel to bourgeoisie and proletariat.
    The animals are unhappy and assemble at a big meeting, the first meeting of all animals we are told. This could be a reference to the first Internationale, where the working classes of the world met for the first time but there isn’t much to go on there.
    We learn that this hog is the oldest and wisest of the animals, he called the meeting and he tells them about their condition, how the eggs the hens produce are taken from them, how the horse will not live to retire once he becomes weak and how the pigs will be slaughtered. He asks them if this is just, if it has to be this way and he says no.
    He explains that the humans produce nothing yet they take it all, he tells them of his dream of a world without humans were things made by animals are only used by animals, were they are not slaughtered or stolen from. The farm is rich enough in grain for all of them to be fed but the greedy farmer keeps it all to sell for a profit. He says they must remove the farmer and create a better farm for all.

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  • @thousand_yards4827
    @thousand_yards4827 4 роки тому +729

    i'd say snowball is definitely Trotsky. He's even exiled and driven away by Napoleon and his dogs

    • @albamcgowan9300
      @albamcgowan9300 4 роки тому +56

      That's what I was taught. I was surprised to hear him say that Snowball was Lenin

    • @SpoopySquid
      @SpoopySquid 4 роки тому +59

      @@albamcgowan9300 it could be both. It's not like _Animal Farm_ is supposed to be a perfect 1:1 analogy

    • @thousand_yards4827
      @thousand_yards4827 4 роки тому +25

      I always learnt that Old Major was a mixture of Marx and Lenin and Lenin didn't apply to Snowball or Napoleon but I guess it's all about interpretation

    • @ArkadiBolschek
      @ArkadiBolschek 4 роки тому +59

      @@Viki1999 Trotsky was the leader of the Red Army, that's why he's always shown at the forefront whenever there's fighting. Also, Lenin was never chased off the USSR by Stalin, Trotsky was. Snowball is clearly a stand-in for Trotsky, while Old Major stands for both Marx and Lenin.

    • @chaotik_katastrofik
      @chaotik_katastrofik 4 роки тому +11

      Lenin's essence was split between Major and Snowball.

  • @UnkillableJay
    @UnkillableJay 3 роки тому +94

    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it." ~George Orwell

    • @JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy
      @JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy 3 роки тому +6

      That's true. And that's where I criticize him because i think his ideas of democratic socialism are wrong. I don't think he's a bad guy though.

    • @sad-qy7jz
      @sad-qy7jz 3 роки тому +10

      @@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy to be fair being a demsoc had a different connotation that it does today. He was not a fan of planned economies or the vanguard, if that’s something you’re really attached to then, fair enough. Not sone kind of irreconcilable difference for me- but the rogue socialists he fought among side were essentially fighting for what we today would more or less consider Ancoms

    • @ExpldgN
      @ExpldgN 2 роки тому +1

      @@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy pretty sure the fact that he was an open homophobe is a bit worse lol

    • @JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy
      @JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy 2 роки тому

      @@ExpldgN I mean I guess. Did he ever do anything personally towards them?

    • @sagedraws1000
      @sagedraws1000 Рік тому +1

      @@JoshuaGonzalez-sr7xy Yeah, he reported gay people to the British Secret police and accused them of being communist. He was also antisemitic. He generally was not a good person.

  • @mr_sparkly_face4087
    @mr_sparkly_face4087 3 роки тому +635

    The moral of the story: absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    • @ronniecortex4936
      @ronniecortex4936 3 роки тому +8

      Agreed!

    • @Skywardstrike1998
      @Skywardstrike1998 3 роки тому +6

      Napoleon and his piga were pretty shitty from the beginning, so I wouldnt say corruption is the moral of the story.

    • @texasswade8453
      @texasswade8453 3 роки тому +7

      No. The moral of the story is that communism is evil and easily established with a few useful sheep.

    • @Skywardstrike1998
      @Skywardstrike1998 3 роки тому +9

      @@texasswade8453 And that's another interpretation. One I hate, but one nonetheless.

    • @Jrookus
      @Jrookus 3 роки тому +10

      @@texasswade8453 that makes no sense from an Orwellian stand point. Orwell was a socialist in the traditional sense, he wanted to establish an idealistic society. He believed in communism, but he despised Stalinism after encountering what it does to people in Spain.

  • @aleksimoose
    @aleksimoose 3 роки тому +141

    When you realize that when Susan became the CEO of UA-cam, UA-cam is slowly becoming like television media
    All content creators are equal but some content creators are more equal than others.

    • @tomigun5180
      @tomigun5180 3 роки тому +4

      Yep, they are the same people who took over Russia in 1917, and lead today the racist anti-white, anti-christian, anti-western, SJW totalitarian, pro-censorship "all animals are equal but we are more equal, now shut up or be cancelled" movements. Huxley, Orwell, Bradbury, Yuri Bezmenov and others warned us, but we didn't listen. The American population was dumbed down gradually, decade by decade to the 1917 Russian level, and you can see nowadays the neo-bolsheviks taking over, in the disguise of protectors of human rights and equality.

  • @AmunDeus
    @AmunDeus 4 роки тому +1031

    Napoleon = Stalin
    Snowball = Trotsky
    Old Major = Marx, lil bit of Lenin
    Dogs = NKVD
    Crow = Orthodox Church
    The other farmers = Germany and the U.S. (I think?)
    I think that's most of the characters (that make a difference in the plot anyway).
    Ironically, while the CIA and filmmakers wanted this to be a "socialism BAD" movie, they didn't seem to realize that the book was saying "Stalin and the USSR were bad because they came to resemble capitalists". The moral of the story is still "capitalism is bad, arbitrary authority is bad, classist relations are bad".
    The ending of the psy-op movie is also really ironic, because it implies that there should be a second *socialist* revolution to put power back into the.... hooves of the animals. A liberal "revolution" would've ended in them finding a human to topple the pigs and appropriate the entire farm again.

    • @ivanalejandro6184
      @ivanalejandro6184 4 роки тому +24

      AmunDeus exactly, and yes the other farmers were interventionists, US, Japan, Germans...
      Sad to see Orwell was a Trotskyist

    • @gableweeb719
      @gableweeb719 4 роки тому +34

      @@ivanalejandro6184 not sad, it is doubleplusgood.

    • @aureavita8653
      @aureavita8653 4 роки тому +29

      whats wrong with trotskyism

    • @ComradeHellas
      @ComradeHellas 4 роки тому +14

      Imagine analyzing Orwell's book that much

    • @mqge2481
      @mqge2481 4 роки тому +25

      Except Stalin was democratically elected and wasn't really a dictator and didn't actually kill that many poeple..

  • @frocco7125
    @frocco7125 4 роки тому +441

    A lot of right wing "libertarians" think George Orwells art was anti-socialist since it pulled so much inspiration from the USSR.
    It wasn't. Orwells art was anti-authoritarian. He himself was a libertarian socialist who fought for the anarchists in the spanish civil war.
    He even wrote this article called "towards european unity" where that became pretty clear.

    • @cipkasvay
      @cipkasvay 4 роки тому +64

      I hate him
      He's antisemitic, homophobic, and racist. Specifically, he snitched out Jews, Black people, Homosexuals, and communists to British Intelligence. His list includes him writing:
      8 variations of “Jewish?” (Charlie Chaplin), “Polish Jew, (Tom Driberg)” “English Jew,” or “Jewess.”
      Paul Robeson - "ROBESON, Paul (US Negro) ...Very anti-white. [Henry] Wallace supporter."
      Paul Robeson wasn't anti-white, just look at the welsh coal miners for whom Robeson Campaigned.
      The testimony of Paul Robeson (one of the people Orwell snitched on), to HUAC (House of Unamerican activities committee) during the red scare.
      Stephen Spender - "Sentimental sympathiser... Tendency towards homosexuality"
      Hugh MacDiarmid, Scottish nationalist poet, and anti-imperialist.
      George Padmore, Trinidadian journalist and anti-imperialist campaigner.
      His books Animal Farm and 1984 are used widely as anti-communist propaganda in schools in the US and UK. So much so that his animated animal farm film was funded by the CIA. There's a reason they teach George Orwell in schools and not Franz Fanon, Che, Huey P Newton, Malcolm X, Lenin, CLR James, etc.
      Orwell, anti-communist: A criticism of Orwell and his Work - By Isaac Asimov.
      Orwell worked as a British imperial cop in Burma for 5 years. His short story, Shooting an Elephant, uses ethnic slurs and denigrates burmese people.

    • @s1050
      @s1050 4 роки тому +6

      I like Orwell’s work but disagree with him regarding democracy. Communism should be a dictatorship of the proletariat

    • @toms.8833
      @toms.8833 4 роки тому +9

      CWW are U trying to say the ussr wasn’t authoritarian?

    • @ComradeHellas
      @ComradeHellas 4 роки тому +4

      @@cipkasvay good to know

    • @thebrutusmars
      @thebrutusmars 4 роки тому +8

      Arsenal123
      Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean dictatorship in the more recognizable sense, it means the state should be run by the proletariat. This is not incompatible with democracy.
      A government built bottom-up not top-down

  • @thomas_dries
    @thomas_dries 3 роки тому +177

    "He wanted Healthcare and apparently in America that makes you a communist." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Dust514rocks
      @Dust514rocks 3 роки тому +4

      @Pigrulerperson yeah, and he fought on the side of the republic in the spanish civil war around 1939

    • @john_smithchiropractor3931
      @john_smithchiropractor3931 3 роки тому +3

      Can’t fault your thinking because you are Soaicalist and we know you have no choice in the matter.

    • @LL-vj5yp
      @LL-vj5yp 3 роки тому +2

      You get what you pay for. There would be zero medical discoveries with out an incentive of income. No one works for free

    • @L1am21
      @L1am21 3 роки тому +2

      Not sure about medical discoveries only being found through financial gain and not out of care for self and others.

    • @richardpankow4714
      @richardpankow4714 3 роки тому +8

      @@LL-vj5yp most medical research is funded by government grants, not private funding. The profit incentive of discovering new treatments is a bad faith argument against adopting universal healthcare.

  • @Zen-rw2fz
    @Zen-rw2fz 4 роки тому +323

    and I was traumatized by mufasa's death, it's a miracle, I'm not a monarchist

    • @jmitterii2
      @jmitterii2 4 роки тому +14

      You probably are. Just don't know it. May not be the typical monarchist with an overt king, but you probably have no problem with someone even more powerful than a king, a billionaire or their Sauron sized smaller cousins hundies (hundred billionaires).

    • @fuckitweballin759
      @fuckitweballin759 3 роки тому +24

      @@jmitterii2 Pov: You're holding on to a dying ideology

    • @apestogetherstrong341
      @apestogetherstrong341 3 роки тому

      lead poisoning was a factor too

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 3 роки тому

      Check out Curtis Yarvin, he makes a strong argument for it.

    • @thelivingshado5
      @thelivingshado5 3 роки тому

      I think you mean 'mufasa'

  • @couraublaise1715
    @couraublaise1715 4 роки тому +386

    Little mistake: you said Lenin overthrew the tsar. However, the tsar was put out of power by a temporary democracy in February. Lenin took power in October because the war was continuing, so not only because of famines. Great video BTW.

    • @couraublaise1715
      @couraublaise1715 4 роки тому +19

      @@Viki1999 oh my bad sorry

    • @mikhailv67tv
      @mikhailv67tv 4 роки тому +2

      Russia didn't have "temporary democracy"... The provisional government were members of duma that were appointed members. Russia didn't have any democracy until Yeltsin and then Medvedev briefly.

    • @personbob8691
      @personbob8691 3 роки тому +9

      @@mikhailv67tv lmao imagine believing that read up on the 1993 constitution crisis or on yeltsin 8% approval prior to his landslide victory in 96 and medvedev is Putin’s puppet

    • @mikhailv67tv
      @mikhailv67tv 3 роки тому

      @@personbob8691 He's ended up that way, by the looks if things quite currupted but i dont believe he started that way. He had an agenda of social and government reform . He made substancial police reforms for instance, sacking many corrupt officers and professionalise the ranks. I remember the optomism when i visited

    • @personbob8691
      @personbob8691 3 роки тому +6

      @@mikhailv67tv the manufactured optimism u mean the lies that were made to support yeltsin as I said he had 8% approval rating before his landslide victory in 96 the economy was trash under him and most people had wanted to keep the ussr but he destroyed it and he gave money to allow for the modern oligarchy and he had immense corruption
      He truly was great lol

  • @babyblooddistilleriesinc3131
    @babyblooddistilleriesinc3131 4 роки тому +337

    Orwell was a socialist. For example he wrote a book called homage to Catalonia where in many parts he praises the anarchist uprising in Catalonia. He even was a supporter of the Party of Marxist Unification, an anti-Stalinist communist party.

    • @babyblooddistilleriesinc3131
      @babyblooddistilleriesinc3131 4 роки тому +10

      @@cipkasvay What do you mean excactly?

    • @jessezeller-davis7699
      @jessezeller-davis7699 4 роки тому +67

      @@babyblooddistilleriesinc3131 Orwell was born in the British Raj, and served as a cop in what is now Myanmar. He later about how Imperialism and Colonialism make one believe they're doing the right thing when they are really just oppressing the natives.

    • @ICHBinCOOLERalsJeman
      @ICHBinCOOLERalsJeman 4 роки тому +14

      he was a socalist, he became disilusioned by it after fighting in the spanish civil war,

    • @bbdanny
      @bbdanny 4 роки тому +15

      exceeeept towards the end of his life he became more right-wing

    • @ihl0700677525
      @ihl0700677525 4 роки тому +31

      He was, but in the end he became more of "classical liberal", which is "conservative" by English standard.

  • @vasiliymedvedev1532
    @vasiliymedvedev1532 4 роки тому +43

    15:49 I think it meant to symbolize the Kulaks destroying their crops and livestock

  • @cutelasscutlass876
    @cutelasscutlass876 4 роки тому +81

    It is required as middle-high school reading, as well as 1984.

    • @niklasmolen4753
      @niklasmolen4753 4 роки тому +10

      The United States had at least anti-communist education in the school.
      I went to school in Sweden, we did not learn anything about the evils of communism. I learned that on my own.

    • @gerardbuttigieg
      @gerardbuttigieg 4 роки тому +19

      I love how they got you to read 1984 where he explicitly says that “thus they destroyed the very principle Socialism used to stand for” - he literally says Ingsoc is not Socialist, just socialist in name

    • @zombies4evadude24
      @zombies4evadude24 4 роки тому +1

      Weird, I read Animal Farm but not 1984

    • @marcostrydom5445
      @marcostrydom5445 4 роки тому +3

      @@gerardbuttigieg
      From Emanual Goldsteins
      Theory and Practise of Oligarchical Collectivism
      Note his inspiration is Leon Trotsky

    • @marcostrydom5445
      @marcostrydom5445 3 роки тому +7

      @@gerardbuttigieg
      I've noticed the people who try and claim Orwell was anti-Socialist perfectly demonstrate what Orwell meant when he said facts don't matter in politics.

  • @christiangilland7453
    @christiangilland7453 3 роки тому +56

    I read Animal Farm in high school, and it's weirdly enough the book that radicalized me.

    • @robrobson7306
      @robrobson7306 3 роки тому +16

      I read the book at school too. It stopped me being a Socialist. Forever. Socialism is EVIL and destructive.

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 3 роки тому +4

      @Anne Marie d'Avis state force is evil, freedom is scary and hard but it is fair. You succeed or you don't, we all get to try but we can't all win.

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 3 роки тому +1

      @Anne Marie d'Avis how do you make it work? How do you make things equal without incredible amounts of force? And this is not capitalism, all capitalism is is free exchange between two or more parties. This is something else.

    • @ashtonkuypers4501
      @ashtonkuypers4501 2 роки тому +3

      @@thomdrolet2624 i believe it is called "corparateism"

    • @dexorne9753
      @dexorne9753 2 роки тому +1

      @@thomdrolet2624 you'd rather have Bezos be the most powerful entity in the US?(already is but you get the point)

  • @seanegan8150
    @seanegan8150 4 роки тому +31

    I was in a stage adaptation of Animal Farm with my local youth theatre when I was like 15 (I played Snowball, if anyone was wondering). I'd kill to do it again, since now I have such a deeper understanding of class struggle and Marxism, also especially after seeing this video!

  • @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot
    @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot 4 роки тому +69

    I don't think Orwell was anti-revolutionary (at least not always he may have changed over time idk). He was a Trotskyist and fought in the Spanish Civil War with the POUM a Marxist organization and loved the way Barcelona became proletarian in the early years of it. But towards the end of that war the Spanish Communist Party (who were being supported by Stalin) called for the POUM's arrest and expulsion from Spain. This may have been the start of him being salty against the USSR under Stalin.
    Also I've generally seen most people interpret Snowball as Trotsky, at least that's how my teacher in school talked about it when we covered the book in school.

    • @alexr6705
      @alexr6705 4 роки тому +1

      He was an anarchist, actually.

    • @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot
      @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot 4 роки тому +2

      @@alexr6705 he fought with the POUM, a Trotskyist organization in Spain and was a member or the Trotskyist Independent Labour Party in Britain, weird things for an anarchist and not a Trotskyist to do. He might have like what he saw of the anarchists in Spain and expressed that in Homage to Catalonia as well as elsewhere, but to my knowledge he was never himself an anarchist.

    • @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot
      @MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot 4 роки тому +2

      Actually, correction: in the 1930s it had many Trotskyists join it but the ILP was not itself an inherently Trotskyist organization, being more just generically Marxist throughout its time existing, it had several different kinds of Marxists involved in it throughout that period from 1900-ish to the 70s when it disbanded to become instead a leftist pressure group in the larger Labour Party.

    • @Oqwert
      @Oqwert 4 роки тому +3

      @@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot Orwell first attempted to join the International Brigades, but the leader of the British Communist Party disliked him so he contacted the ILP instead.

  • @elephantmarch
    @elephantmarch 3 роки тому +6

    To be fair: the Donkey could always read in the books. He was cynic and usually considered nothing worth reading; THOUGH like many cynics he loved to be around simple idealists like Boxer the Horse and they were best friends (I think cynics often WANT to be proven wrong, provided it's by someone like Boxer who won't rub it in afterward). So HE certainly new what the truck said on the back...

  • @quantumpanic
    @quantumpanic 4 роки тому +208

    Finally! An analysis about animal farm that doesn't just boil down to "communism ackhctually bad"

    • @td23asus
      @td23asus 4 роки тому +31

      Who in their right mind analyses Animal Farm and gets that conclusion. The book very clearly isnt against the idea of socialism but against the authoritarian turn it took in the USSR. At least thats how i interpreted it as a kid when i read it

    • @The80sWolf_
      @The80sWolf_ 4 роки тому +5

      @@td23asus Thats why anarchists and those leaning that way are such utopians, stuck in idealism.

    • @odst123451
      @odst123451 4 роки тому +7

      Socialism is always authoritarian.

    • @blackflagsnroses6013
      @blackflagsnroses6013 4 роки тому +6

      The 80's Wolf yeah cause the Marxist-Leninists did a great job uniting the global proletariat and creating a socialist world. Oh wait those State Capitalists just scared off the workers into the arms of Social Democracy and Welfare Capitalism. The reason Marxist-Leninists fail is because they are too Statist and for centralized bureaucracy. Remember Kronstadt. When ever workers wanted a decentralized more localized commune, as in the Paris Commune they were suppressed as “counterrevolutionaries.” Even Marx who was libertarian at heart thought the heavily Proudhonian Paris Commune was the workers social revolution he was advocating for his whole career. And he also supported Democratic Socialism as a viable revolutionary methods in the most industrialized worlds. Leninists and the other State Socialists are revisionists of Marxism. Just ask Rosa Luxemburg. Socialism is from below and decentralized.

    • @The80sWolf_
      @The80sWolf_ 4 роки тому +2

      @@blackflagsnroses6013 You are a utopian, not scientific.

  • @sunyavadin
    @sunyavadin 4 роки тому +210

    Ah, the film adaptation, the CIA psyop that was a mandatory part of our school education back in the 80s.

    • @MrSafer
      @MrSafer 4 роки тому +13

      you make it sound so sinister. i rather think that animal is a cautionary tale like Orwell's other books, he didn't only bash communism you know.

    • @sunyavadin
      @sunyavadin 4 роки тому +23

      Yeah, but when the CIA bought the movie rights and produced the adaptation, they exercised their creative control to change a bunch of details from the book specifically for propaganda purposes.

    • @whynot-tomorrow_1945
      @whynot-tomorrow_1945 4 роки тому +8

      @@MrSafer I think the most important and relevant lesson from Animal Farm is the "recidivism of tyranny" -- the idea that revolutions against oppressive systems can be corrupted from within, becoming just as if not more oppressive than the regimes they overthrow.

    • @s7robin105
      @s7robin105 4 роки тому +7

      sunyavadin I watched the movie and honestly it’s awful at being propaganda. It never states that the revolution was a mistake and instead calls for a second revolution to replace those of the first. It never says the farmer was right. I think the CIA fucked up xD

    • @NOTSOOBVIOUSGAMER
      @NOTSOOBVIOUSGAMER 4 роки тому +1

      I watched the movie, and read the book in my sophomore class 2 years ago lmao

  • @funsnailzzzz23
    @funsnailzzzz23 4 роки тому +64

    "He wasnt a fan of revolution." Literally fought in the Spanish Civil war for republicans and has a hard on for the Syndicalists.

    • @wafflepoet5437
      @wafflepoet5437 4 роки тому +7

      Indeed, he literally fought on the side of the elected government against an illegal military coup that, quite sadly, did a much better job in creating a successful coalition of reactionary elements. It’s the Spanish Civl War, not the Spanish Revolution(s).
      I don’t know if you and the attendant likes are aware of this distinction, but Orwell’s opinion with regard to the Civil War has nothing to do with his participation. In fact, it is due to his involvement in the Civil War that Orwell had a terrifying look at Spanish/Popular Front/Comintern fratricide behind Republican lines. Soviet military support was especially contingent on the Republicans handing over their entire treasury and, to every non-Stalinist’s horror, allowing for the ideological purging of the entire Republican military (and sanctioning the same on allied non-Republican formations.)

    • @prestongarvey9624
      @prestongarvey9624 4 роки тому +3

      John Doe he fought with the communist POUM, not the republican forces

    • @deer4927
      @deer4927 4 роки тому +8

      @@wafflepoet5437 Except for the part where he praises the collectivisation done in Catalonia in his book Homage to Catalonia, going so far as to say in "Why I Write" that "The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."
      He was not a die-hard hyper-revolutionary, to the contrast he seemed to be only slightly more socialist than patriot (to the point of being willing to keep the monarchy around as a figurehead- see "Socialism and the English Genius") but I would still say he broadly was in favor of revolution- of the "self made" kind, as he would have put it, as opposed to revolution by strong-men, as he saw the Bolsheviks to be. I sometimes find the jumps fellow libertarians make in regards to Orwell's opinions tiring (as in sometimes ridiculous/untrue/unproven and just kind of silly) but it's even more of a lie to claim he was not in support of libertarian socialism and on some level revolution.

  • @MrRyanholder
    @MrRyanholder 4 роки тому +10

    I went through highschool in Spanish Springs, Nevada. One of the years in which I was required to read Animal Farm, our English teacher had to take leave 3/4 way into the year for the birth and labor of her child. Our class was assigned a substitute teacher at this time in the middle of our reading of Animal Farm. Our substitute teacher was elderly, possibly in her 80's. Our class then proceded to take advantage of the fact that we had a senior as a substitute teacher by telling her for five or six weeks straight that we had yet to see the Animal Farm animated film. We watched the Animal Farm animated film for those five or six weeks to the individual amusement to all of the class. Perhaps the substitute even got some time to prepare for the next lesson for our class.

  • @juhead8222
    @juhead8222 4 роки тому +63

    I think it is important to consider Orwell's experience in the Spanish civil war. In Homage to Catalonia it's gets pretty clear that he felt like the Soviets had betrayed the workers revolution. He thought that the Soviets were more concerned about their influence in Europe than helping the Spanish working class. In Orwell's opinion the Soviets fought against the advance of the revolution, for example the collectivisation of Land, and sided with the old capitalist republic and the bourgeois. I think with that in mind it's gets pretty clear why Rrwell thought the Soviet Union was counterrevolutionary and betrayed the working class.
    Also i think the introduction to the Ukraine version of the animal farm sumarizes very well how he saw the Soviet Union.

    • @ivanmartinez-jd8gi
      @ivanmartinez-jd8gi 3 роки тому +1

      yeah it might be that, the soviets did damage the spanish republic, the soviets actually charged the republicans for supplies, guns, ammo...etc and eventually actually forced the republic to move its reserve of gold, which was the 4th or 5th largesrt in the world to moscow, ( under the excuse that trade would be more efficient)after that, they overcharged the republicans for everything and basically stole the gold.
      This course of action might have been caused for many factors, like the fact that within the popular front there where anarchists, socialists, and even social democrats, which of course put the soviets off, as they did not want the civil war to end with an anarchist state or any other system fundamentally diferent to the soviet one.

    • @dougearnest7590
      @dougearnest7590 Рік тому

      @@ivanmartinez-jd8gi - That's one reason the Soviet leaders called them "useful idiots".

  • @lamikiminach9503
    @lamikiminach9503 2 роки тому

    I thought the 1954 movie is gorgeous. It Made me more of a socialist if anything. Lol wikipedia says it was sponsored by the CIA but i don’t care it didn’t have the intended affect on me. The scene where all of the animals are working together for the common good of the proletariat made me tear up and there’s no reason that we can’t strive for that.

    • @jessl1934
      @jessl1934 2 роки тому

      Why do you say that it didn't work on you?

  • @m1lklizard934
    @m1lklizard934 3 роки тому +24

    Have you ever considered going into teaching? You have a very clear and concise way of explaining things.

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 3 роки тому +5

      Don't encourage him, there are enough soviet apologists teaching already.

    • @dovydas4483
      @dovydas4483 2 роки тому

      @@thomdrolet2624 lol fr, oh btw, he is a transgender, so clearly he feels weak and he wants to belong to a powerful group and he wants others to solve his problems for him

    • @HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle
      @HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle 3 місяці тому

      @@thomdrolet2624 That makes no sense.

  • @psivil.disobedience
    @psivil.disobedience 2 роки тому +4

    I’m an American & I had to read Animal farm twice for school. 1 time was in 5th grade at a private Catholic school in 1985/6 & the teacher explained it as representing the Soviet Union & how they never achieved the utopia promised, but also explained socialism as an achievable practice, but warned of corruption. I was in public school from the 6th grade on & I think it was the 9th grade when I read this again. The teacher that time taught it as anti communist propaganda. Some Catholics were based during the Reagan years, because they knew he was ultimately responsible for all the murders of Catholics in South America. I wish I stayed with my grandparents & continued Catholic school …although it certainly had draw backs
    💚 I found this channel a few weeks ago & I’ve been watching the old videos & I love all of them.
    If you somehow see this thank you, & anyone else that could be involved🤷‍♂️, for you’re work!

  • @schmi2897
    @schmi2897 3 роки тому +7

    "Of course I intended it primarily as a satire on the Russian revolution. … I meant the moral to be that revolutions only effect a radical improvement when the masses are alert and know how to chuck out their leaders as soon as the latter have done their job. The turning-point of the story was supposed to be when the pigs kept the milk and apples for themselves (Kronstadt). If the other animals had had the sense to put their foot down then, it would have been all right. If people think I am defending the status quo, that is, I think, because they have grown pessimistic and assume that there is no alternative except dictatorship or laissez-faire capitalism."
    - George Orwell

  • @onlookerofthings6029
    @onlookerofthings6029 4 роки тому +27

    I'm a tankie and I interpreted the animals taking away the axes and reigns as disarming the workers as well as undoing the Tsar. It's also against corruption and implementing Mao's ideas of criticism and self-criticism to keep the state in check by the eyes of the people so it doesn't get full of itself and ahead of the people. They couldn't speak out part because they couldn't read, and Mao worked so hard to increase literacy he overhauled the Chinese language

    • @jaredgarbo3679
      @jaredgarbo3679 4 роки тому

      @Cian Abroad Collectivisation began Kong before Mao came into power.

  • @Suth1172
    @Suth1172 4 роки тому +12

    When I watched the film I interpreted the new ending as just a propaganda spin on Orwell’s story, I was all ready for it to end and then it straight up throws some good old propaganda on us...

  • @GuruRasaVonWerder
    @GuruRasaVonWerder 2 роки тому +4

    I must add that the person narrating this is well informed on his subject, very intelligent, well spoken about Soviet matters. I learned from him. I would like to hear his further opinions on this.

  • @Juice1300
    @Juice1300 4 роки тому +4

    I've really been liking your videos since I started watching you. Thank you for crafting such entertainingly educational pieces of art!

  • @anzoom7976
    @anzoom7976 4 роки тому +3

    Like 3 years ago my school forced me to read this book im glad i got ur analysis

  • @Swat_Dennis
    @Swat_Dennis 4 роки тому +5

    I read it when I was 14 or something, didn't understand it at the time. This explains it really clearly, thanks

  • @user-bu1qv6vo6s
    @user-bu1qv6vo6s 4 роки тому +11

    Orwell, what a joke. Never has there been a more accurate quote to describe the "free" world than "all animals are equal, just some more equal than others".

    • @TheSteveTheDragon
      @TheSteveTheDragon 2 роки тому

      That was the joke. It was a critique on communisms idea that all comrades are equal.

  • @homelesshannah50
    @homelesshannah50 Рік тому +8

    The scene with Benjamin crying out for what was really his ONLY friend hit me so hard, every time I see it.

  • @raspootin2813
    @raspootin2813 4 роки тому +11

    This would've been Great when I was covering it in school years ago

  • @sekritdokumint9326
    @sekritdokumint9326 4 роки тому +10

    In poland we are also required to read the book in school. If i recall correctly i was like 10 when they had us read it

    • @carlajenkins1990
      @carlajenkins1990 4 роки тому

      Did you understand that Orwell is the best writer in the world? That is perfect English.

    • @sekritdokumint9326
      @sekritdokumint9326 4 роки тому +2

      @@carlajenkins1990 we were upfront told whatvthe book is about etc. but still i was just 10 and could not care more.

    • @carlajenkins1990
      @carlajenkins1990 4 роки тому

      @@sekritdokumint9326 Did you study in English or Polish? That is the best use of the English language. "Clear writing leads to clear thinking."

    • @sekritdokumint9326
      @sekritdokumint9326 4 роки тому

      @@carlajenkins1990 In polish

  • @evethedragon4484
    @evethedragon4484 4 роки тому +7

    Not going to lie, you made me jump at 17:41. Thanks for that.

  • @carlajenkins1990
    @carlajenkins1990 4 роки тому +4

    I was in the 7th grade in 1966. We were studying World History. We spent three months in England. We were allowed to mention that Scotland and Ireland also exist, but they just aren't as important as England. We spent one week--one Goddamn week--studying French history. We spent two weeks in Switzerland. (A deadly dull two weeks) Finally, after our national testing for basic skills, we got to spend two days studying the Soviet Union. Guess what our test consisted of? An essay question with the title: Why I Am Proud To Be An American. I kid you not. I had to go to the principle's office to get a chewing out for suggesting this was The Party Line. (In America censorship was different, but it still existed)

  • @Matt_Moore
    @Matt_Moore 4 роки тому +8

    I always thought of the hens and eggs being stolen being the kulaks and the policy of collectivization.

  • @McHobotheBobo
    @McHobotheBobo 4 роки тому +13

    19:20 Stalin had multiple meetings *immediately* after the invasion. Seriously, dude had like 90 hours of meetings within the first week of the invasion! I'll link the source vid when I find it after watching this.

    • @MrBipolarTiger
      @MrBipolarTiger 4 роки тому

      ever find the source vid? i'm interested

    • @mikkykyluc5804
      @mikkykyluc5804 3 роки тому

      I'm kind of curious too, got a link?

  • @mercadesmccarthy7855
    @mercadesmccarthy7855 4 роки тому +46

    "He wanted health care but apparently in America that makes you a communist". 😆

    • @ham7357
      @ham7357 3 роки тому +2

      Get a job and you will have healthcare

    • @brooklynnkemp604
      @brooklynnkemp604 3 роки тому +11

      @@ham7357 The issue with that statement is that not everyone is able to get a job.

    • @ham7357
      @ham7357 3 роки тому +1

      @@brooklynnkemp604 being an adult is not that hard. Trust me, even I can do it

    • @gunjfur8633
      @gunjfur8633 3 роки тому +5

      @@ham7357
      Do you believe that poor people are poor because theyre lazy?

    • @ham7357
      @ham7357 3 роки тому

      @@gunjfur8633 not necessarily you can still make poor and irresponsible decisions and not be a lazy person.

  • @ian-hm6cx
    @ian-hm6cx 4 роки тому +16

    This will save GENERATIONS of middle and high schoolers. Sad I didn't get to appreciate this, but the future definitely will.

  • @karolkieszkowski9505
    @karolkieszkowski9505 3 роки тому +4

    I think that the rebellion of the birds symbolizes the actions of kulaks who were in opposition to the collectivization of agriculture.

  • @itsguidry8125
    @itsguidry8125 4 роки тому +5

    Hi! American here. I was told in school that Snowball was Trotsky.

  • @garganrose
    @garganrose 3 роки тому +3

    I'm not sure how true it is but I actually heard that the book animal farm is actually banned from most college campuses in America.

    • @1020donny
      @1020donny 2 роки тому +1

      Not true at all.

  • @42thecakeisalie
    @42thecakeisalie 4 роки тому +21

    "Your query about Animal Farm. Of course I intended it primarily as a satire on the Russian revolution. But I did mean it to have a wider application in so much that I meant that kind of revolution (violent conspiratorial revolution, led by unconcsciously power-hungry people) can only lead to a change of masters. I meant the moral to be that revolutions only effect a radical improvement when the masses are alert and know how to chuck out their leaders as soon as the latter have done their job. The turning-point of the story was supposed to be when the pigs kept the milk an apples for themselves (Kronstadt.) If the other animals had had the sense to put their foot down then, it would have been all right. If people think I am defending the status quo, that is, I think, because they have grown pessimistic and assume that there is no alternative except dictatorship or laissez-faire capitalism. In the case of Trotskyists, there is the added complication that they feel responsible for the event in the USSR up to about 1926 and have to assume that a sudden degeneration took place about that date. Whereas I think the whole process was foreseeable - and was foreseen by a few people, eg. Bertrand Russell - from the very nature of the Bolshevik Party. What I was trying to says was ; you can't have a revolution unless you make it for yourself; there is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship"
    -Georges Orwell, Letter to Dwight Macdonald (excerpt), 5 December 1946.

    • @1Dubbelman
      @1Dubbelman 3 роки тому

      "Unconsciously power hungry people", this is the hidden trap for most utopian philosophies and the zealots that promote them.

    • @luciomarquesbemquerer5819
      @luciomarquesbemquerer5819 3 роки тому +1

      When each person makes a revolution for themselves, what you have is individualism, which is capitalism itself.

    • @Redactedlllllllllllll
      @Redactedlllllllllllll 3 роки тому +1

      @@luciomarquesbemquerer5819 capitalism is private ownership, that's it.

  • @thatyoutubechannel9953
    @thatyoutubechannel9953 4 роки тому +5

    My AP English teacher was a pretty based Trotskyist with some slightly reactionary social views, so she was always pointing out how great Trotsky was during our reading of this book and how he most directly and reasonably continued Marxist thought. She did this in vague and veiled language adhering strictly to the allegory so she wouldn't get fired, but it was easy to pick up on with my (at the time) rudimentary knowledge of leftist theory, tendencies and culture. Pretty epic ngl

    • @SandfordSmythe
      @SandfordSmythe 3 роки тому +1

      Trotsky was seen as an alternative to Stalin in trendy leftist circles when it became obvious how bad he was. I'm not sure Trotsky was much better.

  • @nooions
    @nooions 4 роки тому +10

    Where can I find the poster you have as a background?

    • @nooions
      @nooions 4 роки тому +4

      @@Viki1999 thanks!

  • @geodude205
    @geodude205 3 роки тому +14

    It is not true that Stalin "didnt talk to anyone" during the first weeks of the invasion. He was always in Moscow (there is a documents when all his meetings are recorded). He stayed in Moscow even when a lot of the leadership chose to evacuate to Kuybyshev (during the battle of Moscow). Joseph Stalin was a supreme commander of the army and personally participated in planning of a lot of successful operations, thats why the Soviet people decided he deserved an Order of Lenin. Because people loved Stalin and not without a reason

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 3 роки тому +1

      @@Ajente02 he was willing to sacrifice 25 million people to win, that's why the soviets won. They were nothing but canon fodder to him. That and russian winter.

    • @tson1111
      @tson1111 2 роки тому

      @@thomdrolet2624 stop listening to German propaganda 1. half of the 27 million were civilians and 2. Germany lost 6 million soldiers on the eastern front 3. Soviets throughout most of the war only out number the Germans about 3:1

    • @hoxhacat8195
      @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому

      @@thomdrolet2624 A myth that perpetuates imperialist propaganda. Watch her video responding to "Enemy at the Gates" she explains how that's wrong and how they used tactics.

    • @hoxhacat8195
      @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому +1

      @@thomdrolet2624 Stalin never had such a perspective regarding human life.

    • @hoxhacat8195
      @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому +1

      @@Ajente02 Read Albert Einstein. He mentions how the Moscow Trials were real and there was a certain internal situation and genuine threats to the state.

  • @nemock
    @nemock 4 роки тому +3

    Never read it in school in the 70s. Great analysis.

  • @Paradoxe44
    @Paradoxe44 4 роки тому +31

    Buckster the horse is the allegory of Stakhanovism

  • @magentaplatinum1430
    @magentaplatinum1430 3 роки тому +3

    5:46
    I'm not sure if it was a mistranslation or not but my book is saying that it was actually a sheep that has been killed in the battle of cowshed. Not only that but napoleon actually stole 9 puppies away from some dogs and raised them secretly. The animated has either made a mistake or just did that to fill up the plothole about the dogs appearing out of nowhere

  • @jocelynarianna11
    @jocelynarianna11 3 роки тому +17

    I LOLed at work at “Apparently in America wanting healthcare makes you communist.”
    😂😂 seriously though

  • @wee3ist
    @wee3ist 4 роки тому +28

    Wel done! Genuinely didn't know that there was cia involvement there and will check on that later.
    Would love an analysis of Ursula le guin's works

  • @cameronkeenan2043
    @cameronkeenan2043 3 роки тому +3

    1:50 well it seems like he’s kinda a revolutionary after reading Homage to Catalonia

  • @Dorian_sapiens
    @Dorian_sapiens 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for the education! I see lots of people read this in high school. I did not.

  • @nonamedoe9264
    @nonamedoe9264 4 роки тому +8

    The novel is about how power can often lead to corruption and oppression, with even those who at first had noble goals becoming the same as those before.
    He saw this in the USSR, in which Stalin became authoritarian like those before.

    • @panzerschiff9805
      @panzerschiff9805 4 роки тому +1

      A similar thing could he said about China.
      China is nothing like it was before the 1980's. It had more in common with North Korea than with modern China. A totalitarian militaristic state with the population being basically indoctrinated and forced to recite the dear leader at any moment. Animal farm basically represents the communist states (aka USSR and China) falling into totalitarianism and failing to archive the goals.

    • @MichelleHell
      @MichelleHell 2 роки тому +1

      He never stepped foot in the USSR

    • @hoxhacat8195
      @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому

      Listen, "authoritarianism" is just a label, read "On Authority" by Engels!
      Works of Frederick Engels 1872
      On Authority
      Written: 1872;
      Published: 1874
      "A number of Socialists have latterly launched a regular crusade against what they call the principle of authority. It suffices to tell them that this or that act is authoritarian for it to be condemned. This summary mode of procedure is being abused to such an extent that it has become necessary to look into the matter somewhat more closely.
      Authority, in the sense in which the word is used here, means: the imposition of the will of another upon ours; on the other hand, authority presupposes subordination. Now, since these two words sound bad, and the relationship which they represent is disagreeable to the subordinated party, the question is to ascertain whether there is any way of dispensing with it, whether - given the conditions of present-day society - we could not create another social system, in which this authority would be given no scope any longer, and would consequently have to disappear.
      On examining the economic, industrial and agricultural conditions which form the basis of present-day bourgeois society, we find that they tend more and more to replace isolated action by combined action of individuals. Modern industry, with its big factories and mills, where hundreds of workers supervise complicated machines driven by steam, has superseded the small workshops of the separate producers; the carriages and wagons of the highways have become substituted by railway trains, just as the small schooners and sailing feluccas have been by steam-boats. Even agriculture falls increasingly under the dominion of the machine and of steam, which slowly but relentlessly put in the place of the small proprietors big capitalists, who with the aid of hired workers cultivate vast stretches of land.
      Everywhere combined action, the complication of processes dependent upon each other, displaces independent action by individuals. But whoever mentions combined action speaks of organisation; now, is it possible to have organisation without authority?
      Supposing a social revolution dethroned the capitalists, who now exercise their authority over the production and circulation of wealth. Supposing, to adopt entirely the point of view of the anti-authoritarians, that the land and the instruments of labour had become the collective property of the workers who use them. Will authority have disappeared, or will it only have changed its form? Let us see.
      Let us take by way of example a cotton spinning mill. The cotton must pass through at least six successive operations before it is reduced to the state of thread, and these operations take place for the most part in different rooms. Furthermore, keeping the machines going requires an engineer to look after the steam engine, mechanics to make the current repairs, and many other labourers whose business it is to transfer the products from one room to another, and so forth. All these workers, men, women and children, are obliged to begin and finish their work at the hours fixed by the authority of the steam, which cares nothing for individual autonomy. The workers must, therefore, first come to an understanding on the hours of work; and these hours, once they are fixed, must be observed by all, without any exception. Thereafter particular questions arise in each room and at every moment concerning the mode of production, distribution of material, etc., which must be settled by decision of a delegate placed at the head of each branch of labour or, if possible, by a majority vote, the will of the single individual will always have to subordinate itself, which means that questions are settled in an authoritarian way. The automatic machinery of the big factory is much more despotic than the small capitalists who employ workers ever have been. At least with regard to the hours of work one may write upon the portals of these factories: Lasciate ogni autonomia, voi che entrate! [Leave, ye that enter in, all autonomy behind!]
      If man, by dint of his knowledge and inventive genius, has subdued the forces of nature, the latter avenge themselves upon him by subjecting him, in so far as he employs them, to a veritable despotism independent of all social organisation. Wanting to abolish authority in large-scale industry is tantamount to wanting to abolish industry itself, to destroy the power loom in order to return to the spinning wheel.
      Let us take another example - the railway. Here too the co-operation of an infinite number of individuals is absolutely necessary, and this co-operation must be practised during precisely fixed hours so that no accidents may happen. Here, too, the first condition of the job is a dominant will that settles all subordinate questions, whether this will is represented by a single delegate or a committee charged with the execution of the resolutions of the majority of persona interested. In either case there is a very pronounced authority. Moreover, what would happen to the first train dispatched if the authority of the railway employees over the Hon. passengers were abolished?
      But the necessity of authority, and of imperious authority at that, will nowhere be found more evident than on board a ship on the high seas. There, in time of danger, the lives of all depend on the instantaneous and absolute obedience of all to the will of one.
      When I submitted arguments like these to the most rabid anti-authoritarians, the only answer they were able to give me was the following: Yes, that's true, but there it is not the case of authority which we confer on our delegates, but of a commission entrusted! These gentlemen think that when they have changed the names of things they have changed the things themselves. This is how these profound thinkers mock at the whole world.
      We have thus seen that, on the one hand, a certain authority, no matter how delegated, and, on the other hand, a certain subordination, are things which, independently of all social organisation, are imposed upon us together with the material conditions under which we produce and make products circulate.
      We have seen, besides, that the material conditions of production and circulation inevitably develop with large-scale industry and large-scale agriculture, and increasingly tend to enlarge the scope of this authority. Hence it is absurd to speak of the principle of authority as being absolutely evil, and of the principle of autonomy as being absolutely good. Authority and autonomy are relative things whose spheres vary with the various phases of the development of society. If the autonomists confined themselves to saying that the social organisation of the future would restrict authority solely to the limits within which the conditions of production render it inevitable, we could understand each other; but they are blind to all facts that make the thing necessary and they passionately fight the world.
      Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon - authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?
      Therefore, either one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don't know what they're talking about, in which case they are creating nothing but confusion; or they do know, and in that case they are betraying the movement of the proletariat. In either case they serve the reaction."

    • @hoxhacat8195
      @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому

      If Stalin never held his leadership position, Russia might still be a feudal, un-industrial backwaters and conquered by foreign powers. The industrialization was necessary to build up the military in preparation for war, Stalin knew that Hitler was going to invade and thus subsequently built up his military. His policies helped to win the Great Patriotic War(WW2) such as the scorcher policy where they had purposefully burned crops so that the Fascists could not eat them. If Stalin never came to power, there might've still been a highly illiterate populous, oh they would've been literate alright IN GERMAN because the Fascists wanted to conquer Eastern Europe as they considered the "Slavic race" "inferior". Also, if Stalin had never came to power, poverty and homelessness probably would've been extremely high! Also, Stalin wasn't some genocidal dictator, he had tried to resign four times, twice close to the beginning of his leadership, and twice closer to the end. The famines were caused by droughts, floods, and agricultural sabotage from the Kulaks.

    • @hoxhacat8195
      @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому

      “It means that so long as the other classes, especially the capitalist class, still exists, so long as the proletariat struggles with it (for when it attains government power its enemies and the old organization of society have not yet vanished), it must employ forcible means, hence governmental means. It is itself still a class and the economic conditions from which the class struggle and the existence of classes derive have still not disappeared and must forcibly be either removed out of the way or transformed, this transformation process being forcibly hastened.”
      - Marx’s response to Bakunin’s Statism and Anarchy

  • @lulish1
    @lulish1 4 роки тому +7

    Between this channel and three arrows I don't know how it happened but thank you youtube algorythm for taking me to the germanic leftist intellectual part of youtube

  • @adrianpetyt9167
    @adrianpetyt9167 3 роки тому +3

    "Orwell was not a fan of revolution" depends what time in his life you're talking about. Check out Homage to Catalonia!

  • @patrickholt2270
    @patrickholt2270 4 роки тому +8

    You'd have to read Homage to Catalonia and his political essays, and also have some familiarity with his party, the Independent Labour Party, and some of his friends and comrades from that party and their politics, like Tom Nairn, to put his later life anti-Stalinism in context. The fact that the conduct of Stalinists in the Spanish Civil War was shockingly uncomradely and sectarian, and that the Spanish Stalinists actively persecuted other anti-fascists despite the greater need to stop the fascists, is undeniable, and merited hostility from other Marxists and democratic socialists who had experienced that uncomradely and perverse action in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe from the 1920s through the 1950s.
    The democracy of the soviets was destroyed from the 1920s onwards. Soviets continued to meet, but they were no longer democratically elected or forums in which open debate was possible. As soon as Lenin outlawed other parties they became front organisations, whose decisions could be centrally dictated. Stalin streamlined that centralisation, but it was underway under Lenin, simply by the logic of forbidding other parties and party factions within the RSDWP-Bolsheviki.
    NB The depiction of the pigs as the villains is somewhat problematic, as the kids say. Obviously there is an ancient tradition of use of pig metaphors in European antisemitism. The JudenSau etc. Jews being depicted as sows shitting out gold to refer to moneylending and rentierism in general. It's possible that George Orwell was unfamiliar with those particular tropes, but using pigs as villains, in place of the traditional English-speaking world referrant of "Fat Cats" to talk about wealthy elites is an unfortunate choice, especially given the Jewish identity of many leading figures in the CPSU, including Trotsky. Orwell was not an antisemite in his published opinions, had many Jewish comrades in the ILP and the Labour Party after the war, and hasn't been accused of any personal antisemitic behaviour in any of his associates' memoirs that I've heard of, but the usage of pigs in Animal Farm to depict Stalinists and Soviet apparatchik corruption remains a worrying mistake, in my opinion. It's an error that Art Speigelman managed to avoid in Maus, for instance, in which the Jews are mice, the Nazis are dogs, and it is Poles who are depicted as pigs, interestingly - neutrals as between Jews and Nazis.

    • @spiderdijo7
      @spiderdijo7 3 роки тому

      Orwell the soCIAlist

    • @patrickholt2270
      @patrickholt2270 3 роки тому

      @@spiderdijo7 Homage To Catalonia is a great read for any real socialist.

  • @AndreasHawk
    @AndreasHawk 4 роки тому +24

    Its weird to say that Orwell was "anti-revolutionary." Just read his own book, "Homage to Catalonia," where he praises the anarcho-syndicalist revolution in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War.

    • @redenginner
      @redenginner 4 роки тому +8

      He was a snitch for the british government.

    • @keyan1219
      @keyan1219 3 роки тому +1

      @@redenginner not really ; there’s this good independent article on it for some reason i can’t link it though

  • @rogue_asami4522
    @rogue_asami4522 4 роки тому +9

    Orwell was a socialist, but he was also an anti-communist. And despite what you might think, those two aren’t mutually exclusive. Like some examples would be Baynard Rustin, Betrand Russel, Noam Chomsky and Michael Harrington.
    And something interesting about some of those anti-communist socialists is that some of them drifted rightward over time to the point of becoming conservatives. That’s what the term Neoconservative originally referred to. It was coined by Harrington to describe those of the anti-Stalinist left to American conservatism. A prime example of this was Christoper Hitchens. He went from a Trotskyist who opposed the Vietnam War to a Neocon who supported the invasion of Iraq and praised George W. Bush’s foreign policy.

  • @darksid007
    @darksid007 4 роки тому +3

    George Orwell was a socialist intellectual, but from what I have read from him(Animal Farm, 1984) he tend to have petit bourgeois type of contempt toward the working class, which is common among petit bourgeois intellectual.
    But he know how to write I'll give him that.

    • @SandfordSmythe
      @SandfordSmythe 3 роки тому +1

      This is photograph of him serving himself a proper tea in the trenches of Spain. But he did view the poor first hand, and lived as a poor person to see what it was like. He exposed the terrible conditions of the working class in the north of England.

  • @Gaeisok
    @Gaeisok 3 роки тому +5

    Fun fact, I’m a European conservative and I support free healthcare and so does every other conservative I know.
    And by free I mean that everyone has access to healthcare but private healthcare can be set up and if you’re really wealthy you can pay for a better standard.
    Turns out I’m a socialist.

    • @bigchungus920
      @bigchungus920 3 роки тому

      Not at all. Conservatives in America don't support free healthcare here because free healthcare for the poor is already available but leftists want the government to completely control the healthcare system.

    • @jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502
      @jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502 2 роки тому

      @@bigchungus920No Free Healthcare for the poor is not already available... That is simply not true

    • @bigchungus920
      @bigchungus920 2 роки тому

      @@jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502 yes it is

  • @some_unknown_random5668
    @some_unknown_random5668 2 роки тому +4

    They also knew about the death wagon from the glue factory in the book. Their realization was actually pretty much emphasized as it was the first and only time of Benjamin really taking action in fear of his friend dying so there was a great protesting the horses even tried to chase the car and to tell boxer to escape (without success)
    Also many things that were maybe intended to be propaganda actually became true. In the book(I haven't seen the movie) the animals weren't allowed to leave the farm from the beginning of the rebellion, seems like entire eastern Europe besides yugoslavia. Then we have the poems written by whymper(?) about the great love of napoleon to his people which were the only kind of poems music etc. after snowball was expelled, seems like NK. Also you didn't mention the trading with the human farms(molotov ribbentrop packt) or mollie who wasn't able to leave behind her former live and escaped(most popular example: Berlin). Regarding the fact that this was written in 1945 I think you should pay more attention to how closely he came to a reality he nether witnessed and therefore shouldn't just put it as CIA propaganda. Of course the US used it as an instrument, but I guess Orwells intention was far beyond that.

    • @lilla4521
      @lilla4521 Рік тому +1

      Yes, I'm so glad someone mentioned this. In the book, Muriel the goat could read and would read. I never even noticed the Mollie and Berlin thing, awesome to finally understand it.

  • @BadBrad119
    @BadBrad119 3 роки тому +3

    I feel like you missed a lot of the book. Like clover crying about how times seem to be worse than they ever were, and the sheep blindly following the pigs to the point that they drown out all arguments. That could be akin to shutting down arguments because you dont agree with them (which we see a lot of today)

  • @bkr0127
    @bkr0127 4 роки тому +5

    Snowball is Trotsky

  • @Deluseon
    @Deluseon 3 роки тому +8

    I don't see Animal Farm as inherently anti socialism but more anti revolution, or more specifically anti short-sighted revolution, as if revolution isn't considering the long term then it tends to concentrate on the problem rather than the solution.
    I reread the book a few days ago and I was drawn to how insistent Orwell is that Old Major is incredibly old and wise, only to then reveal him to be 12 in an almost comedic fashion. I believe this is meant to represent that no matter how old and wise we can hope to become, or believe we have become, one human lifetime will never be enough to gather sufficient context of human history to form such an arrogant claim that it's worth undoing everything achieved by an entire people/nation up to that point in the name of shaping society into the dream of one individual.
    Obviously I am not making the arrogant statement that there have never been any just revolutions but more that revolution requires long consideration of where the tyranny lies and what can be done in the long term to ensure that it doesn't rear it's ugly head again, if the revolution is shortsighted the tyranny will only be displaced
    Great video BTW, was having trouble filling in a few blanks regarding the historical events rather than the historical figures

  • @transnistria4237
    @transnistria4237 4 роки тому +4

    Great video. You do however pronounce "animals" as "enemas" which is slightly disconcerting haha!

  • @polilla318
    @polilla318 4 роки тому +4

    Also yes state capitalism ≠ socialism. Even Lenin himself never claimed the USSR was socialist. But also socialism in general (lower stage communism) has never existed. The only things that have existed in the way of socialist societies have been: a) attempts at the dictatorship of the proletariat (like anarchist catalonia and the Paris commune). This isn’t in and of itself socialism, and both marx and Lenin distinguished from socialism and the “transitionary stage” of the DotP. b)social democracy. c)social democracy without the conventional liberal democracy, like what existed in the USSR. A “friendly” form of capitalism meant to safeguard the revolution. The reason the DotP was never established in the USSR (or any other socialist country for that matter) is Leninist’s recognition that the revolution must be global and universal in order for this to occur. Stalin’s idea of “socialism in one country” is a literal impossibility, for the USSR would’ve (and did) have to retain commodity production and eventually open up trade with foreign countries (which requires currency, in socialism there is no currency only labor vouchers). At some point things got mixed up and now people conflate economic democracy with socialism, rather than what it is, the process which would inevitably lead to socialism. (ie socialism is a product of it, not said workplace democracy itself)

    • @polilla318
      @polilla318 4 роки тому +2

      Oh and this is not a condemnation of the Soviet Union by the way. It’s meant to be the opposite, and show that critiques such as Orwell’s are pointless and counterproductive, as they pretend like they could’ve done better when in fact they could not. It is unfair to judge the USSR for whether or not it was socialist, as it was a literal impossibility for them to establish socialism. Every country in the world needs to be headed by a socialist government, and needs to seize the means and establish economic democracy, for that to happen.

    • @polilla318
      @polilla318 4 роки тому +3

      Western leftists are fond of critiquing the USSR for being “authoritarian” and “bureaucratic” without understanding why it became that way, and how the system of soviet democracy worked. Indeed, we have a similar system of democracy today in cuba, albeit much more direct and quite different in some ways. I believe cuban democracy is a truer form of democracy than liberal “democracy”. The term authoritarian is meaningless, what you mean to say is “centralized” and even then it’s quite a dubious claim as economics is not black and white. There is such a thing as duality, and bottom up/top down hierarchies can coexist.

    • @robertstan298
      @robertstan298 4 роки тому

      @@polilla318 Dual bottom/up and up/bottom hierarchies as in dual power structures you mean?

  • @apestogetherstrong341
    @apestogetherstrong341 3 роки тому +4

    Under farmer: 1 man in power. Poor farm. Poor animals
    Under pigs: Many pigs power. Prosperous farm. Animals less poor
    I don't see a problem with this.

  • @Youtubeisntlettingmeuseczech
    @Youtubeisntlettingmeuseczech 4 роки тому +4

    Read "Homage to Catalonia"

  • @s1mplem4gic58
    @s1mplem4gic58 4 роки тому +3

    LMAO this chart killed me 1:30

  • @tempestbloke
    @tempestbloke 4 роки тому +3

    Without doubt the best video you've made so far. Incredible.

  • @Master_Blackthorne
    @Master_Blackthorne Рік тому +1

    Just because a film is animated doesn't mean it's for children. Many of the early cartoons had adult themes. Parents make this mistake over and over again. In the book, Snowball wasn't killed, he was just driven away. When Napoleon is looking for traitors for his show trial, four of the pigs who opposed a longer working day are executed along with the rebellious hens.

  • @bryenolakproductions
    @bryenolakproductions 2 роки тому +2

    You my friend are a great analyst, historian and a teacher as well. You out did yourself on this one 👏🏾

  • @seneca983
    @seneca983 4 роки тому +6

    13:00 One should note that the elections in the Soviet Union most of the time had only one candidate and thus weren't real competitive elections. Also, while Stalin might not have had dictatorial powers de jure he did have them de facto. Anyone trying to oppose him in e.g. the Supreme Soviet would most likely be sent to a gulag.

    • @mqge2481
      @mqge2481 4 роки тому +2

      The party really ran the elections, but the supreme soviet was democratically elected.

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 4 роки тому +1

      @@mqge2481: It's not really a democratic election if the electorate doesn't have at least 2 choices to choose from.

    • @ernestokrapf
      @ernestokrapf 3 роки тому +3

      wrong
      not even the CIA believes that
      and yes, the elections for the supreme soviet were democratic

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 3 роки тому

      @@ernestokrapf "the elections for the supreme soviet were democratic"
      How can it be democratic if the electorate is given only one candidate to choose from? That's not a real choice for the voters.

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 3 роки тому

      @@Ajente02 "There were actually independient candidates (and they always won at least between 15% and 30% of the seats)"
      But to my knowledge, this just meant that the party sometimes chose candidates that weren't party members but in the elections, there still wasn't more than one candidate to choose from.
      An independent who the party disapproves of couldn't run.

  • @The80sWolf_
    @The80sWolf_ 4 роки тому +5

    To save someone 26 minutes = "Anarchist thinks Stalin bad"

    • @popsickle3549
      @popsickle3549 3 роки тому +2

      He is bad

    • @The80sWolf_
      @The80sWolf_ 3 роки тому +1

      @@popsickle3549 Yea and Orwell was a butthurt snitch

    • @popsickle3549
      @popsickle3549 3 роки тому +2

      @@The80sWolf_ and Stalin was horrible.

    • @The80sWolf_
      @The80sWolf_ 3 роки тому +1

      I trigger libs all day baby

  • @Ponera-Sama
    @Ponera-Sama Рік тому

    "Four legs good, two legs bad"
    Monkeys: Am I a joke to you?

  • @lilla4521
    @lilla4521 Рік тому

    1. Stalin didn't have to prohibit anyone else from voting or anything like that, he had his agents and they'd just kill off anyone who was against him, or put them in gulags. It didn't have to be said out loud.
    2. In the book the song WAS prohibited. I don't remember how exactly but there was a line like this. I think it was just said to the animals who were singing it, that they can't sing it anymore.

  • @cageybee7221
    @cageybee7221 4 роки тому +9

    the chickens are clucklaks

  • @ByrdieFae
    @ByrdieFae 4 роки тому +20

    I saw this movie as a kid, and I am a millennial (born in 1985). It was one of my favorites, to be honest. I don't know how I, an American kid that adored Animal Farm, turned out to be a Leftist, but here I am!

    • @sakketin
      @sakketin 4 роки тому +3

      Orwell was mostly a libertarian socialist. The USSR executed anarchists pretty much from the get go and portrayed them as decedent drunks just like they were portrayed in the west. The USSR also had a key role in destroying the anarchism of Ukraine and Catalonia. It is only natural to have disdain for USSR if you are anti-authorian socialist.

    • @MrSafer
      @MrSafer 4 роки тому

      exactly, Orwell didn't only criticize communism.

    • @PeterHKwok
      @PeterHKwok 3 роки тому +5

      @@sakketin Bolsheviks were Makhno and Spanish anarchists' life support, anarchists tried to kill Lenin, anarchists and POUM Trots started the ultra-left May Days battles against the Republic that guaranteed fascist victory

  • @hoxhacat8195
    @hoxhacat8195 2 роки тому +1

    The movie actually made some realistic improvements, it actually makes more sense that they *can* read, because the Soviet Union achieved full literacy. It makes sense that they can read the sign on the death wagon and such.

  • @Dianasaurthemelonlord7777
    @Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 2 роки тому +1

    Considering who Orwell was, the original book, like 1984 was clearly a critique of, and warning about, Authoritarianism and the need for constant vigilance and Revolutionary optimism.
    I cannot which President said it, probably Lincoln or Grant but it suits the idea certainly in the context of Orwell's Literature, "The cost for Freedom is eternal Vigilance"

  • @themarinaraman9580
    @themarinaraman9580 4 роки тому +3

    5:11 "the czar and his armies". Czarmies?

  • @aidanonisko4720
    @aidanonisko4720 4 роки тому +3

    Early in WWII over 2 millions British civilians were given weapons in case of a German landing. Orwell tried to get the people to begin a revolution and overthrow the government and their bosses. So I would definitely say he was a revolutionary.

  • @antcircus5564
    @antcircus5564 3 роки тому +2

    I cried when you showed the glue truck scene.

  • @lauranaselow4886
    @lauranaselow4886 2 роки тому

    Many have not read 1984 or Animal Farm & it shows!

  • @couraublaise1715
    @couraublaise1715 4 роки тому +6

    The hens being slaughtered alongside other opposants is the Moscow trials, I believe.

  • @adriancastillo1957
    @adriancastillo1957 3 роки тому +3

    Napoleon WAS pretty bad lol

  • @ElectricIguana
    @ElectricIguana 2 роки тому +2

    That's not such a traumatizing scene when you think about it. Disney has been doing that same thing for years. Bambi, Dumbo, Lion King, Nemo, Inside Out, Up. It may actually be more common than not.

  • @bernardheathaway9146
    @bernardheathaway9146 4 роки тому +1

    Goor job! Glad I randomly found your channel!

  • @theunknowncorps22
    @theunknowncorps22 2 роки тому +5

    Anarchists would love this book about the corrupting power of "the State" and big bad Stalin and how the Soviet union "wasn't really socialist" even though it progressed to state socialism under Stalin and continued under those shaping policies after his death. It was more socialist under him (not saying everything he did to achieve that was right or good) then it was under the NEP. It was progress in the right direction under prevailing conditions but not always with the right methods. I think Orwell's anticommunist actions (such as reporting of communists near the end of his life), his defeat fetishism and his laughable parody of after ww2 Britain (shortages), and communism, using the (now in retrospect shallow and defunct) framework of 'woetalitarianism' called '1964: How I Became a Bore' hasnt stood the test of time. Deep for some I suppose. Anyway Vietnam is still thriving without one US base on it. Im out comrades.

  • @eriksolfors
    @eriksolfors 4 роки тому +12

    I would claim that Orwell was a socialist and a revolutionary, just look at Homage to Catalonia.

    • @mickeyg7219
      @mickeyg7219 4 роки тому +6

      You don't need to claim, Orwell himself said "every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

  • @magentaplatinum1430
    @magentaplatinum1430 3 роки тому +2

    15:10 the book said that they would be trading for materials that were urgently needed and some food

  • @serversurfer6169
    @serversurfer6169 2 роки тому

    _"Stalin didn't assassinate Lenin…"_
    🤔 Are we sure about that? Lenin was recovering from his stroke, and had even recently gone on a hunting trip. Then party leaders started visiting him at home and he started getting worse again. The last such visit was the night before he died. 🤷‍♂

  • @findlaygibbs9706
    @findlaygibbs9706 4 роки тому +3

    In my class when we read animal farm, the teacher was trying to explain why socialism was bad and everything was like wait, this doesn't sound too bad, its safe to say we didn't really get the meaning of the book

    • @spdyspks
      @spdyspks 3 роки тому +1

      What incentive is there to create, invent, or produce in a socialist society? It's the select elites, then everybody else. Human nature inherently allows power to corrupt.

  • @sapphron
    @sapphron 4 роки тому +4

    "It doesn't seem like he was a fan of revolution" 1:36
    um he fought for the Republicans during the Spanish civil war? and when the Republican faction split he sided with the Anarchists?

  • @deadset15-hrvavik17
    @deadset15-hrvavik17 4 роки тому +2

    Nice one

  • @wf1675
    @wf1675 Рік тому +1

    imean if were to be a little metaphorical Stalin put together a large base of support during his job as general secretary and used that to take controll

  • @absoul112
    @absoul112 4 роки тому +4

    F for Trotsky.