The only way to treat a conspiracy theorist is by listening to them. Don't degrade them, don't invalidate their feelings and opinions. Just listen. Then, slowly and gently, question them. Bring them to question themself, encourage critical thinking, bring in new info. It's a slow process but over time you can help them.
Problem is…when questioning their stances it usually entrenches their views. Conspiracists are like cultists, they become more defensive in their believes rather than questioning. It’s trying to preach to the converted…sometimes you just have to let them see the light themselves (think of those who reluctantly joined but see something really bad happen) or sometimes you got to drag them out (intervention, therapy, or actually physically drag them out)
@@cgallegos2106 It's not really about questioning their stances, it's more about just asking question as though you're curious about the subject. Make them feel like you take them seriously because these people often felt not listened to or misunderstood in the past. By taking an interest (even if you fake it) they become more open to dialogue than through a confrontation. Problem is this technique often takes a lot of time and patience, which isn't easy with people like that...
@@karanhdream True…but there’s still some level of denial that can’t be corrected. Just look at the Sovereign Citizen movement, you can show them, tell them, talk to them about the issues they have (even jail them because they don’t follow laws or pay taxes) but they still don’t learn. These movements are at times like weeds (or a game of whack-a-mole) where you help one person out but another three fall down the hole.
Tbh if you're already dying, using those machines can be the only way to extend your life, even if it would be cause of death years down the road - kind of like using chemo therapy or radiation to kill cancer.
@@Izamota-q5vexcept hydrogen atoms are a key component in water. So there's not much danger in using it . Water = H2O = 2 Hydrogen atoms + 1 oxygen atom.
i thought it was an interesting detail reflecting how people create/spread disinformation. Hydrogen ions are in fact just protons, so she probably meant hydrogen ions, but since none of the people on the forum actually know science they mix these concepts up and say “hydrogen protons”
How do you treat a conspiracy theorist??? Trick question. You don’t. They don’t believe that anything is real, so they probably don’t even fully believe that they’re alive…
I heard a story from doctor who treated a patient who was both a conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer.....he asked her if she considered that the anti-vaxx argument could be propaganda spread by Russia and China in an attempt to weaken our immune system (she got vaxxed immediately afterwards)
It's a slow killer. The liver can regenerate itself, but it depends on how far gone it is, the cause of the liver failure, and if the patient is adhering to meds and diet. I'm a radiology nurse and liver failure patients are some of our common cases, usually for belly taps since their livers can no longer filter waste and it builds up as fluid in the abdomen. Based on how jaundiced she is, it could be advanced liver failure, so she has a lower chance of surviving this without aggressive treatment and a transplant.
@@lady4191 what do you mean by that? Just because a country offers the means of healing doesn't mean much on the individual level. I'm not an expert, but I do know that being eligible for a transplant means meeting a certain criteria, as well as the availability of organs needed for transplant. People need to prove they can adhere to a certain lifestyle and medication regimen, which can be difficult in low income communities. Even breaking once to have a glass of wine could jeopardize your placement on the transplant list. And that is a long waiting list, because there aren't enough organs to go around. Sure, it is possible to donate a piece of your own liver rather than the whole liver, but a majority of people don't want to go through with that because the surgery to do so poses a lot of health risks. Not to mention some people might have autoimmune diseases that can damage their organs even after a successful transplant. There are so many factors to it. Again, I'm not an expert. I can only speak based on my experiences.
Do you have any emperical statistical or clinical evidence that acupuncture works better than empirically, statistically, and clinically proven western medical practices?
@@angelorobledo1536 acupuncture is literally recommended as a part of certain treatments especially for chronic pain. Just because we don't know why something works for some people doesn't mean it's quackery. Even things based off literal psuedo science like chiropractors offer relief to some people. Might not be recommended but it certainly isn't totally useless or else there wouldn't be any chiropractors or acupuncture spas.
anyone noticed she has liver failure, because there is yellow in her eyes which means copper is building up now i am prob very wrong she could have disease or smth
The yellow is from bilirubin, basically a waste product from blood cells dying. Normally the liver degrades bilirubin so it doesn't build up but that process doesn't work anymore in liver failure. It can also be a sign of more blood cells dying then normal which could point to blood cancer
@@nightmaji Also, though that doesn't apply to her logic of course, I'm sure hospitals aren't allowed to just randomly test your blood they got from a tissue. It is still a medical procedure that you have to consent to
It's not crazy but it's lacking nuance. Also a lot of people can identify problems but then veer right into left field when it comes to identifying the causes. Like people can see that hospital billing is high, but will blame doctors and not insurance companies or hospital boards.
One big problem I've noticed, is lack of context or deeper understanding. Like the politician who wanted women to swallow cameras to see if there's a baby inside. He knows babies come from mommies belly, and the stomach is also called a belly, but lacks the medical knowledge that the uterus is not part of the digestive tract. People with a very rudamentry understanding can find the information, but lack understanding of how to process it in any helpful way, so they put together things that might make sense on a surface level, but lack any real knowlege or understanding.
Even her concers about the hospital were "kooky". She was bright yellow but refused to let them test her for Jorndis. Also if this were during the pandemic they would be wearing masks.
Still not convinced that the shot is safe and effective long term for certain age groups. The longevity studies are still ongoing. So I'll check back in 5 years thanks.
@@m_d1905 Virus shots don't stay in your body for that long. The treatment is your body building it's own antibodies to get rid of the dummy virus in the vaccine, which stay in your body and deal with the actual virus when it enters before it has time to proliferate. That's how they treated 45 and queen Liz when they got it; giving them blood of people who had already been vaccinated and built up their antibodies since.
@@m_d1905 Mom and I got ours in late 2020. So I guess it'll be.... almost 3 years in late November this year? Still good lol we also got boosters. My mom is over 70 and I'm in my mid 30s. I'd say my mom has a lot of the risk factors too (ie diabetes, asthma, overweight, etc). I was anxious for her to get the vax. I don't have any risk factors, but I was anxious to get it so that I wouldn't be a walking... virus incubator around my mom.
"I'm noticing some skin discoloration..." girl walked straight out of The Simpsons
Jaundice
She's an idiot.
lol
For real. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
The only way to treat a conspiracy theorist is by listening to them. Don't degrade them, don't invalidate their feelings and opinions. Just listen. Then, slowly and gently, question them. Bring them to question themself, encourage critical thinking, bring in new info. It's a slow process but over time you can help them.
These folks are dangerous
Problem is…when questioning their stances it usually entrenches their views. Conspiracists are like cultists, they become more defensive in their believes rather than questioning.
It’s trying to preach to the converted…sometimes you just have to let them see the light themselves (think of those who reluctantly joined but see something really bad happen) or sometimes you got to drag them out (intervention, therapy, or actually physically drag them out)
@@cgallegos2106 It's not really about questioning their stances, it's more about just asking question as though you're curious about the subject. Make them feel like you take them seriously because these people often felt not listened to or misunderstood in the past.
By taking an interest (even if you fake it) they become more open to dialogue than through a confrontation. Problem is this technique often takes a lot of time and patience, which isn't easy with people like that...
@@karanhdream True…but there’s still some level of denial that can’t be corrected. Just look at the Sovereign Citizen movement, you can show them, tell them, talk to them about the issues they have (even jail them because they don’t follow laws or pay taxes) but they still don’t learn.
These movements are at times like weeds (or a game of whack-a-mole) where you help one person out but another three fall down the hole.
Good luck with that. Many of them just want to talk and talk. They don't want to listen at all. Stubborn folk are a waste of time.
"Lonely and prone to persuasion", that's just gullible.
To my understanding, gullible comes more out of being naive and inexperienced, rather than lonely and prone to persuasion. But could be a bit of both.
@@nikdozajimavy1277 "Lonely and prone to persuasion" is just "idiot" written in another font.
@@foolslayer9416 Not at all true
Always ask someone ''Is there a chance U could be wrong?'' If they say no, then their arrogance and ego are not worth dealing with!
Good thing you're not a doctor then if you're that quick to give up.
Please Maggie stay in Chicago med this show is losing cast fast
I agree because they are losing way I mean way to fast
The minute Dr. Charles leaves the show is over for me.
I mean, the actress has cancer
@@nikkipaeth1223*too
Keep us the amazing work
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Her liver is definitely in trouble.
Hydrogen protons are just regular protons.
Tbh if you're already dying, using those machines can be the only way to extend your life, even if it would be cause of death years down the road - kind of like using chemo therapy or radiation to kill cancer.
@@Izamota-q5vexcept hydrogen atoms are a key component in water. So there's not much danger in using it . Water = H2O = 2 Hydrogen atoms + 1 oxygen atom.
i thought it was an interesting detail reflecting how people create/spread disinformation. Hydrogen ions are in fact just protons, so she probably meant hydrogen ions, but since none of the people on the forum actually know science they mix these concepts up and say “hydrogen protons”
How do you treat a conspiracy theorist??? Trick question. You don’t. They don’t believe that anything is real, so they probably don’t even fully believe that they’re alive…
I heard a story from doctor who treated a patient who was both a conspiracy theorist and an anti-vaxxer.....he asked her if she considered that the anti-vaxx argument could be propaganda spread by Russia and China in an attempt to weaken our immune system (she got vaxxed immediately afterwards)
Yep go get your booster dude
@jesusisking314 no thanks. Don’t care about your make believe sky daddy.
@jesusisking314 Oh my god it's her, she's here
answer: the same way as everyone else with treatments for whatever they have like tf u saying they like some alien (biologically)?
Looks like those gold people from guardians of the galaxy lol
“Dusted” it?
NAH SHE A LEGO CHARACTER!!11!
"persuasive" means very well written, not well researched. I don't believe that this kind of people haven't psychiatric issues...
Good work
If it's fatal then how come the tens of millions of folks who've had it aren't dead?
It's a slow killer. The liver can regenerate itself, but it depends on how far gone it is, the cause of the liver failure, and if the patient is adhering to meds and diet. I'm a radiology nurse and liver failure patients are some of our common cases, usually for belly taps since their livers can no longer filter waste and it builds up as fluid in the abdomen. Based on how jaundiced she is, it could be advanced liver failure, so she has a lower chance of surviving this without aggressive treatment and a transplant.
How come the death rate is up 40% in countrys who were compliant
@@lady4191 what do you mean by that? Just because a country offers the means of healing doesn't mean much on the individual level. I'm not an expert, but I do know that being eligible for a transplant means meeting a certain criteria, as well as the availability of organs needed for transplant. People need to prove they can adhere to a certain lifestyle and medication regimen, which can be difficult in low income communities. Even breaking once to have a glass of wine could jeopardize your placement on the transplant list. And that is a long waiting list, because there aren't enough organs to go around. Sure, it is possible to donate a piece of your own liver rather than the whole liver, but a majority of people don't want to go through with that because the surgery to do so poses a lot of health risks. Not to mention some people might have autoimmune diseases that can damage their organs even after a successful transplant. There are so many factors to it.
Again, I'm not an expert. I can only speak based on my experiences.
if gunshot wounds are fatal how come tens of millions of people who had them didn't die of them?
Never argue with a delusion.
My doctors look down on me when i get acupuncture
Do you have any emperical statistical or clinical evidence that acupuncture works better than empirically, statistically, and clinically proven western medical practices?
@@angelorobledo1536 acupuncture is literally recommended as a part of certain treatments especially for chronic pain. Just because we don't know why something works for some people doesn't mean it's quackery.
Even things based off literal psuedo science like chiropractors offer relief to some people. Might not be recommended but it certainly isn't totally useless or else there wouldn't be any chiropractors or acupuncture spas.
@@muscleman125 Nobody's saying placebos don't work. They do work, but not because of the medicine or practice.
So, find different doctors, or don't tell them unless it's medically necessary.
anyone noticed she has liver failure, because there is yellow in her eyes which means copper is building up now i am prob very wrong she could have disease or smth
Yes and also could be Pancreatic cancer.
Wilson’s?
The yellow is from bilirubin, basically a waste product from blood cells dying. Normally the liver degrades bilirubin so it doesn't build up but that process doesn't work anymore in liver failure. It can also be a sign of more blood cells dying then normal which could point to blood cancer
sorry mate i have to do this, 🤓@@factcat6847
Bingo @@factcat6847
Does anyone know what happens later on in the episode?
Good question
I like he’s complaining about not getting blood sample and her blood was all over that table and stuff
this isn't csi... testing that needs a certain clean volume... you know in a tube and not over a piece of gauze
@@nightmaji Also, though that doesn't apply to her logic of course, I'm sure hospitals aren't allowed to just randomly test your blood they got from a tissue. It is still a medical procedure that you have to consent to
Does anyone know what season / ep this is ? ❤
Season 8 Ep 20. Just found it.
I can't put my finger on it, but this show seems to have lost something.
The best characters
Majority of its cast 🤣
Much of the original greats...
Nick Gehlfuss (Dr Halstead), Torrey DeVitto (Dr Manning), Colin Donnell (Dr Rhodes), Brian Tee (Dr Choi)...
Many... Editing is a b
What episode is this from?
S8 e20 trying to find actress name 😡
So... the "gaslighting" is real. Predictive programming kids.
What season and episode?
S8 e20
S8 e20
@@BlueEyes-ro2rv thank you!
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Yes some of her beliefs are kooky, but it’s disingenuous to act like being skeptical of hospitals especially during the pandemic is “crazy”🙄.
It's not crazy but it's lacking nuance. Also a lot of people can identify problems but then veer right into left field when it comes to identifying the causes. Like people can see that hospital billing is high, but will blame doctors and not insurance companies or hospital boards.
One big problem I've noticed, is lack of context or deeper understanding. Like the politician who wanted women to swallow cameras to see if there's a baby inside. He knows babies come from mommies belly, and the stomach is also called a belly, but lacks the medical knowledge that the uterus is not part of the digestive tract.
People with a very rudamentry understanding can find the information, but lack understanding of how to process it in any helpful way, so they put together things that might make sense on a surface level, but lack any real knowlege or understanding.
especially during the pandemic, lol. That just speaks to your partisan derangement rather than the state of hospitals.
Even her concers about the hospital were "kooky".
She was bright yellow but refused to let them test her for Jorndis.
Also if this were during the pandemic they would be wearing masks.
*concerns @@celestialsalamander
This is aimed at people who believe the shot is fatal. Well folks go look at the data. Then you decide.
A % do die in the natural course of illness
Still not convinced that the shot is safe and effective long term for certain age groups. The longevity studies are still ongoing. So I'll check back in 5 years thanks.
@@m_d1905 Virus shots don't stay in your body for that long. The treatment is your body building it's own antibodies to get rid of the dummy virus in the vaccine, which stay in your body and deal with the actual virus when it enters before it has time to proliferate. That's how they treated 45 and queen Liz when they got it; giving them blood of people who had already been vaccinated and built up their antibodies since.
@@m_d1905 and five years from now you'll say "I'll check back in five years, thanks". It's not about seeking the truth for you.
@@m_d1905 Mom and I got ours in late 2020. So I guess it'll be.... almost 3 years in late November this year? Still good lol we also got boosters. My mom is over 70 and I'm in my mid 30s. I'd say my mom has a lot of the risk factors too (ie diabetes, asthma, overweight, etc). I was anxious for her to get the vax. I don't have any risk factors, but I was anxious to get it so that I wouldn't be a walking... virus incubator around my mom.
Average QAnon, neo-confederate, anti-vaxx and Jan. 6th participants
Best way to treat a conspiracy theorist is Darwinism.
Same goes for smokers