DEADLY TIRED! The Dark Truth Behind Air Algerie Flight 702P.
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
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You know that feeling you can get towards the end of a REALLY long day, when things just haven’t been going your way? That feeling of just wanting to get the day over with so you can get home to rest and you might even be taking some shortcuts to make the last part of the day go a bit easier?
Well, we pilots can get that same feeling but in our line of business, THAT can quickly become very dangerous as we will see in todays episode, stay tuned!
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CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:26 - Animal Rights
02:39 - Protests Again
04:19 - Approaches
08:39 - A Busy Schedule
13:04 - A Long Night
15:56 - Plenty of Fuel
19:11 - Off to East Midlands
21:31 - Waiting For The Weather
23:16 - A Very Short Trip
26:42 - Approaching Coventry
28:26 - Signs of Fatigue
30:52 - Back On Track
34:38 - Only Static Is Heard
37:46 - Outcomes - Розваги
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yoo
casual time traveling
can u do leicester city helicopter crash
It’s funny you mention AI while you were mentioning brilliant. I’ve found that though things like social media and predictive text my brain is atrophying on some level. Like I’m being hard wired to have a small attention span or something. It’s hard to quantify in words…. But I think ironically something like this instead of social media (like you mention) would be a saving grace. I’ve never actually checked out something a “creator” has pushed… but I think I’ll check this out.
Also would like to thank you for teaching me so much about aviation over the years. Your channel has certainly awoken some sort of student within me… cheers.
This video would've been beautiful if you didn't start with short hair crazies at the beginning! 🤦♂
Imagine flying live cows to an overseas slaughterhouse. The whole idea already sounds absolutely absurd to me and I have no idea how this business can be economical.
It depends on if the costs involved. If they can’t slaughter the animals in UK then it’s more economical then not slaughtering them at all and literally being unable to sell the meat and making zero money.
"Hey, you know how beef has a really terrible carbon footprint? Wanna hear a way we can make it five times worse?"
It was the only way at the time because of all the protests
Those businesses may have moooooo-ved on to something else.
Sorry.
I heard a few years back of fish being caught in the waters off Great Britain, then transported to China for canning, then transported back to Great Britain for sale to the general public.
I was so relieved to see the crew landing in East Midlands and then I realised there’s still 20 minutes left in the video…
same.
me: "Oh thank god, they actually managed to land safely and only had a minor incident where they didn't wait for proper clearance. Everything went better than expected."
video: *continues*
me: "Oh. Oh no..."
Just a bit later in the video I actually shouted at the TV - Wait! They shouldn't be legal to fly anymore!
The words 'Deadly' and 'Tragic' in the title didn't set off any alarms?
@@wyomingptt Mentour Pilot's description made it so that one could disregard the title and forget about it, all part of an exceptional ability to hook the audience.
Thinking the lives cows scared me.
I would love to see the conversation between you and your animator when you told him "I am gonna need cows for this one"
😂😂 Fortunately I have two excellent animators who were up to the challenge.
Not entirely sure they’re correct for UK heard, in my experience horned breeds aren’t common amongst beef stock. Also the black and white one looks like a friesian, those are a milking breed and wouldn’t be going for slaughter until the end of its life.
@@MentourPilot They do a spectacular job!
@@mckidyl70
Ah whoops.
Hello gorgeous
Flying cattle on a jet airplane to a distant slaughter house. I'm 56 years old and never knew this was a thing. Brings the term "absurd" to a new level.
Don't worry ... we're planning to burn 10,000 years of coal ... and all of our known reserves of rare earth elements ... to build an electric battery system that will last 10 years ... to solve a problem that's no more real than the Earth is flat ... so we have lots of absurdity to look forward to ... ;-) I'm really looking forward to the memes!
The same happens now - prawns caught in Europe are shipped to China where they are shelled, then shipped back as it's cheaper to shell them in China and ship them to and from Europe than to simply shell them in Europe. They can still call them European prawns though. Capitalism FTW!
@@simonneep8413 Although shipping produces far less CO2 emissions than flying, it's really because people just want the cheapest prawns. How many people would pay 30% more for the same prawn, the only difference being it was shelled in the UK? Same thing with meat, you hear complaints all the time about how expensive beef or pork or chicken is but like, they're slaughtered animals, of course they're expensive. We should only eat red meat 2 x week. We're prob too accustomed to being removed from the source of our food and just see beef in a hamburger as nonchalantly as a bit of lettuce. It's expensive to keep cattle, on land, watering both grass & cattle, vaccines, bloody antibiotics given 'just in case', slaughter, transport.
TLDR: We eat too much meat is my point, I think people need to see it as more of a treat or something.
@@yarrlegap6940 you can't gain any credibility to push your agenda when you're THIS misinformed
@@skullsaintdeadabsolutely correct, people aren't paying the real costs of their food as the price doesn't reflect the emissions they generate. If they were you'd be certain consumer habits would change.
Whenever Petter said "for those who've been paying attention", I feel like I'm back in the lecture hall against facing off my passive aggressive professor and the three students that bothered to show up.💀
The world needs ditch diggers.
Amazing that UA-cam would allow him to lecture us that way! Disgusting! 😅
Peter was making a witty link to the concept of not staying awake--the fatigue problem in the video. Also--thousands of people watch and listen to these videos to fall asleep at night--line they do with Forensic Files and other True Crime videos.
I never noticed him saying that in this video - I suppose I did not pay attention... or I may have dozed off.
No, I paid attention and it was pretty obvious to me that they were below the level that they were allowed because that was how the story was scripted to unfold. Very often in group projects at the university, students don't know a clue about, let's say doing a SWOT analysis, don't pay attention, miss a key point, and get the entire thing wrong. There were tonnes of things done wrong here but surely if the captain had gotten the correct weather forecast for Coventry, based on the limitations of the plane, he would have known there was no way he could make it. Sometimes you just have to ask yourself, would you rather be sipping tea in a nice hotel in Derby, eyeing up the receptionist, or dead in a field.
As someone who’s had to roll the windows down in wintertime and blast the radio to stay awake, I am terrified by this story.
Yeah, use it as a warning. It’s better to stop and sleep than not get there at all.
Please, if you are ever in that situation again, please stop driving and take a nap. I drove head on into a highway barrier at 100kph (60mph) because of fatigue, I thought opening the window would perk me up and keep me awake enough to drive, but within 30 seconds of opening the window I fell asleep anyway. Even if you don’t fall asleep at the wheel, driving fatigued compromises performance similar to driving drunk.
@@jpe1 On a nearby road, a driver fell asleep behind the wheel at 1.30am and slowly pulled into oncoming traffic. Slammed into a semi at full speed, hard enough that the semi bounced into the guard rail. The car driver perished instantly, the semi driver was sent to hospital but only suffered minor injuries.
I responded to this accident as a firefighter. Please, drive safely.
Glad I wasn't flying with you!
As a 36 year truck driving veteran I know about the dangers of driving while tired. If you're fatigued your reflexes will be as slow as a person with a .010 alcohol level in their blood possibly worse depending upon the fatigue level. It's better to just take a nap before attempting to drive while fatigued. A short nap will help, also dehydration will cause fatigue. Get 8 hours sleep and stay hydrated. Arrive alive.
That must be an interesting job to explain.
"What do you do?"
"I'm a cowboy, but also a flight attendant, for cattle. In the plane."
Looool😂😂😂
When it is easier (and/or) cheaper to fly your cows to Netherlands than to build your own slaughterhouse locally, you know something is terribly wrong with the system
You got it right, and is scary
The trouble is the UK is historically, on-goingly crap, at taking care of critical infrastructure.
Even today, we can't find UK workers to pick fruit off trees or pluck turkeys at Christmas. It's a British problem, highlighted by Brexit, but it's also caused by unscrupulous employers who want to exploit workers in some industries, thus actually driving them away
@@DaveNeveAustralia as well. Only international bacpackers pick fruit on the farms; whilst we’re facing increasingly bad homeless/unemployment rates.
One factor in the closure of so many abattoirs in the UK was the decimation of herds due to the outbreak of Mad-Cow-Disease (when it was decided by some idiots that it would be a good idea to turn cattle into cannibals)!
Imagine how scary it must have been for that poor controller - one moment you are following an approaching aircraft, you don't see its altitude but you think all is normal... Then the powers goes off and by the time the emergency power source kicks in, the aircraft is gone. I would have been pretty spooked.
I remember reading of a train driver who said he sometimes had to put his head out of the window in the slipstream to keep awake. Not an option for a pilot unfortunately.
Not really, no!
As the pilot of BA FL 5390 could confirm
Shouldn't be an option for train operators either.
Lack of sleep is not thought of as a grave problem by authorities who have no knowledge of ever experiencing it at their own work.
The good thing is that trains stop when a foot pedal isn't released every 30 seconds.
What you call get-there-itis also exists in mountaineering, it's called summit fever. And it kills too.
Exactly
I have it all day everyday because of my job in food delivery lol
As a trucker I know that feeling. In the business we call it the death nod, don't screw with fatigue.
Several years ago I was following a tanker that went along the right lane just fine with excellent lane control, then would drift over the rumble strip, snap back in line and be doing great, just to repeat that every minute or so. It dawned on me that the driver was falling asleep. There was a rest stop ahead where I expected him to pull off, but he bypassed it. I called 911 to alert them to the situation, then I took my turn-off. I didn't hear of any big crash so I hope he made it okay.
@@flagmichael Cool story
it's something i know far too well. I work for an ambulance company that does inter-hospital transportation, often between states, and we can't just turn down a call if we're too tired. there have been times where i've legitimately considered taking some of our epinephrine because i was just unable to stay awake but also unable to switch with my partner in the back. It's the worst in winter when medical helicopters refuse to fly, so we need to take critical patients to specialty care hospitals 400 miles away with zero notice through awful weather.
I wonder if pilots see a black dog parachuting through the clouds?
All of us night shift workers can feel the pain of this flight crew! The effects of fatigue can be insidious. Studies have shown that driving while drowsy is as dangerous as driving while drunk. Unfortunately, there is no “breathalyzer” test for fatigue.
It is also a sad side-note (per the final report) that there is a possibility the cattle handlers could have survived the accident if they had been wearing their seatbelts.
Thank you for the exemplary work.
I know right? Usually when I’m feeling really tired after work I won’t go home right away and instead just sit in the break room for a bit to recharge. I only live about 10 minutes away from my work but anything could happen and I don’t want to take the risk.
@@Boundwithflame23 simple solutions like that can genuinely help so much, just unfortunate that not everybody has the brain power to think of those simple solutions lol
I recall a number of years ago, Topgear UK did a test comparing someone who had a pint of beer or two vs sleep deprived presenter... the fatigued persons driving skills had actually suffered more than 'drunk-driver'.
There is a method to defeat fatigue... you beat the snot out of the CEOs for overworking the workers for sh!t pay while they have permanent vacations and work from home sessions in Bahamas.
if im tired and driving, I pull tf over
As a night worker in the transport industry fatigue is lethal. Seen too many results up and down the roads. Drivers relying on caffeine based drinks and operators demanding the load has to be delivered. Colleague recently refused a second run after already working close to the Maximum and was promptly "let go". I work for one of the better ones.
Companies demanding maxima to be broken should be prosecuted by the state. If they let go of people who refused to break their maxima, they should be sued by the state, fined and provide a compensation paackage to the employee
As someone who once did a 14 hour night shift at the airport as ground crew who drove towards home in this highly fatigued condition where I simply couldn’t stay conscious, this story is deeply unsettling.
I routinely do this constant switching between day and night shifts and it certainly contributed to my absolute exhaustion on this particular morning. But of course as a normal driver just going home for two days off, I had an advantage that pilots don’t have.
I realised, after losing a second or two (fortunately on a straight road) that I was in absolutely no condition to drive. So I pulled over as soon I could, used my backpack as a crude pillow and my coat as a makeshift blanket and laid across my back passenger seats. I wasn’t sure if I’d actually sleep while getting into position… but I think I fell asleep within seconds of getting comfortable-ish.
I woke up about just over five hours later, a little bit stiff but otherwise feeling much better. So I know how tired those pilots were. But of course they couldn’t just pull over and sleep like I did. Poor guys.
You are sooo right. working a shift like yours, or one that will disrupt normal circadian rhythms, is something we pay a huge price for. Sadly, some of us had no choice. I can speak to this. I worked an awful shift (up at 3:40am to work an 8 hr shift ending about noon) for 6 years and doing this completely burned me down. It's taken a number of years of (lots of) rest, right eating, learning hydration and de-stressing to recover. And I'm *still!* recovering! God has had to do a serious number on me but his grace and patience is second to none and He gets all the credit!!! Self care is key if we are to 1) fulfill His plan for our life and 2) take care of and/or help anyone else!!!
I'm a doc -I deal with lots of folks with various versions of insomnia there is one problem that can be totally prevented if we prioritized human well-being: shift work - shift changes NEGATE the effects of any rest in any meaningful way - totally; on point observation
@@agabrielhegartygaby9203 Is it common when you’re at that level of exhaustion to keep… well I think it’s nodding off only for a few moments before waking up again? Or is it losing memory for a few seconds?
I was driving down a straight section of road and all I know is that I lost a few moments. One moment I was driving, the next moment I was dangerously close to the left side curb. (I’m in the UK so we drive on the left side of the road and our cars naturally turn towards the left without steering input.) Definitely a near miss and freaked me out tbh.
These days, on the rare occasions I get too tired, I don’t even try. I simply relocate my car to a nearby lay-by so I’m far enough away that the roar of jet engines doesn’t disturb me and sleep it off.
In fact, losing consciousness and having no memory of a few seconds at all is the same. When you are deep in thought driving behind the wheel, usually all is fine. That‘s because you woild remember actively thinking about something. However, no memory or loss of consciousness shows the brain went into emergency recovery mode known as ”sleep“.
@@dr.paulwilliam7447 Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Either way I don’t like being that tired and learned from the experience. I wonder if these pilots were experiencing the same momentary lapses in consciousness as it keeps happening until you get some proper sleep in my experience anyway.
I am a student pilot and today my instructor just emphasized the IMSAFE checklist (illness, medication, stress, alcohol, fatigue and emotions) and this is just a perfect example of what it could prevent from happening.
I like this 👌
"roaring into the crisp UK morning sky". Nice wording!
Thank you!
This guy’s so impressive. For a pilot, he’s an excellent story teller. The informative tone he maintains over such tragic events is perfect. And it’s not his first language 👏🏻👏🏻
Regarding your last point, he still makes audible small mistakes, especially with plurals and singulars. I don't mind them, his stories are very well told, but having mastered English as my prime foreign language as well, I still notice them.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg Weird comment. Having mastered it as my prime first language, I can assure his English is excellent
@@philbourne548 I still hear mistakes. There a few, but he still makes them. I don't blame him, but I am surprised you don't hear them. I will note them and remember your username and report them back to you. His mistakes are primarily around the use of plural words with singular verbs.
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg You’re a weirdo. Don’t message me again
He’s Swedish…they are almost all fluent in English.
Thank you, Petter. I was born near Birmingham Airport and run the cafe and fly GA from.coventry. I have landed on 23 many, many times, my instructor always pointed out the pylons, and our customers live near the site and remember that dreadful day. The pilots are in our prayers.
Thanks for sharing.
As an Algerian, thank you for the sentiment, it was another tragedy in a long list for us in the nineties, this crash got little attention back home unfortunately. Three days later there was the Air France hijacking from Algiers.
God rest their souls
They seem to have been excellent, professional pilots. It is so very sad that their equipment was inadequate to match their talent. What a tragic loss.
That brought back a memory, we were operating into Coventry daily at that time, I was flying a visual approach one evening, short finals when we were told to 'Go-Around, we have people on the runway'. Yes, it was the animal rights crowd.
Ah, if you'd been a turboprop, they may have requested you do a high speed approach with max rpm to clear any obstructions
Another well researched crash, throughly explained by a consummate professional. Appreciate how you extrapolate the subtle shortcomings of early training, crm & technology & weave it into our current FAR's. Making better pilots of us all, Thanks Petter, nobody does it better!
Thank you!
It will also make us passengers better passengers too. I now appreciate all the work the whole crew do, and how carefully everything has to be balanced for a successful flight to take place.
As a commercial charter bus driver, I am intimately familiar with fatigue like this. Especially when you have a "sufficient rest window" between shifts of drastically changing hours. I've gone from having shifts go from 0600-1400 to having a sign-on at midnight, or expecting a sign-on at 1800 only for a delay to kick it back to midnight. I've had it where I've gone into work already fatigued, and I'm lucky to have come home some nights, I'm sure. It's scary out there. Take care of yourselves, everyone
I think each and every long haul truck driver can underscore your experience in one way or another.
@@sachadee.6104 OTR driver here... can 100% confirm what OP has highlighted. Bonus points for the fact that some freight is considered more time-sensitive than people are, so there's a lot more pressure from above to continue operations despite the regulations calling for shutdown, up to and including threats of or actual termination for making the objectively correct call of shutting down and retiring to the sleeper for a while
Flying Cows🐄!! Now I've heard it all... When the corporate motivation of greed and the bottom line pushes humans well beyond their limit, things will break... My takeaway is don't fly Air Algerie, unless you have a death wish!
I honestly feel it’s criminal they have people driving under those conditions. I’m glad you are safe
While I was in the military we studied CRM and used it back in the 90’s. Now that I’m out I’m a paramedic and was very surprised when CRM was modified for our use and is now used by all EMS crews. We suffer many of the same elements with extended shifts and little sleep while dealing with critical patients. Although we do t have ATC to talk to we do confer with ER physicians at times and read back in change in orders or patient reports. It sure helps keep our patients safe much like keeping your passengers and crew safe. Blue skies my friend!
Hello gorgeous
Maybe a few shots of O2 would help?
This was not only caused by Fatigue and Get-there-itis - it was also caused by an ancient Aircraft which didn´t match to this Airport under usual Weather Conditions of that Area - and a Charter Company Representative who wanted to get the Aircraft back at its Place for the next commercial flight with a Weather Update nobody could later approve. So in fact it was much more.
Thank you very much for picking this today widely forgotten tragic Accident up!👍👍👍
The aircraft did not match the quality of the pilots. So tragic.
i'd say the aircraft was just as much a victim as the pilots. the company could have gone out of their way to prevent this by getting an updated unit as well as telling the pilots not to exceed hours
I will never forget this crash. My father was the airline rep. He got a lot of abuse from the animal rights activists, and the reporters would step on his shoes to get a reaction on camera. The police told him there was nothing they could do.
East 17 was Christmas number one on radio, whenever I hear that song I think back to those times, and how stressed my dad was.
I'm sooo beyond tired of activists of ANY kind....
So five people died, but those ..."activists" focused on the cows? Why am I not surprised. Absolute sociopaths.
The animal rights people are why the flights were being done so they were a cause of the crash.
@@Richard_Craniumyup let's not demand any change.
@@Richard_CraniumFor all you know this was PETA. Dont lump all activists in together.
As a former instructor in BRM (bridge resource management - shipping's version of CRM) one of the biggest hurdles to overcome is commercial pressure, real or imagined. Ships' crews deem maintaining ETA as the be all and end all of a voyage and rational thinking suffers accordingly. Risks involving weather or operating in heavy traffic are just ignored in an effort toarrive on time. This always reminded me of a UK safety advert on TV "It's better to arrive late, than be dead on time." If ever this was true, it is this incident!
That's less of a problem in aviation because the culture around schedule is different in aviation than in shipping, but it is still a problem.
Charterers are the boss and Captains are scared of losing their jobs. Minimum manning requirements are a joke
You are the only youtuber to my knowledge who has a steadily rising quality curve. You treat the algorithm perfectly with your pace and keep the viewers attention for the perfect amount. I see you with way more subscribers in the future, keep it up !!!
Im sure he applies this to everything he does! Inspires to do better myself and never stop getting better
I feel like the footage of the cows in the plane cabin has to be some kind of visual metaphor about air travel
Wow, a 40 minute video. What an absolute treat!
I hope you enjoyed it!
@@MentourPilotgreat video
@@GarrishChristopherRobin777Huh?
@@GarrishChristopherRobin777what are you even on about?? 😂
@@GarrishChristopherRobin777 ir the mooooon
Thank you for covering this incident. I remember this well as I lived between East Midlands and Coventry. Brilliant explanation from a true professional 🙏🏻
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I once time drifted off while driving back from a day of skiing, and luckily my friend in the passanger seat, when I started to drift over the center line, said "hey what are you doing?" which woke me and I corrected. No accident. BUT, it scared the living hell out of me.
i lived thru this... in fact we organised the memorial plaque to honour the crew and their heroic decision to crash into the wood, not the housing estate, which was literally the width of one road away... it was horrendous and still to this day, we give thanks that despite everything, the loss of life was minimal... 10yrs after the accident, we contacted the CAA, and thru them, invited the pilots families to the site... now, Coventry airport is almost in mothballs... waiting to become a battery factory... they alter the approach so it no longer comes over the estate or the wood... and, we sleep soundly in our beds... To the heroic crew of five, who gave their lives to save ours... BTW, the fog, on the ground was so dense i couldn't see 300 feet across the street... and, the pylon was unlit... May God rest their souls...
Thanks for sharing.
It's a very important point of view to this tradegy IMO.
My first job was working the graveyard shift at the local hospital (7pm to 7am), and I completely understand why the pilots were so fatigued despite having over 24 hours between duties. I worked at the hospital when I was home from college in the summer and winter of 2016, and it would take weeks for me fully adjust from working all night to studying all day. I would always be incredibly tired during those adjustment periods, which would lead to me sleeping through classes or having trouble paying attention if I was awake. That job taught me that working the night shift is not for me even though I'm a natural night owl.
Same here. Studies during the week and night shifts on weekends from 23H00 to 07H00. I did that for 2 years. I now show a lot of respect to all people working on night shifts because I know what it feels to try to get rest during daytime. I think it is against human nature.
I had a manual day shift that started at 6 AM, and finished right at the lowest point of the circadian rhythm about 3 PM. The commute is just a long straight road. Staying awake on the way back was such a problem that I had to stop taking the car and use a motorbike.
Between Mentour and TheFlightChannel and others...love how fast aviation channels are growing especially if they
put in so much work to produce amazing content! Thanks Petter!
Disaster breakdown is also pretty great.
MentourPilot has raised the bar so high that I find the other aviation accident analysis channels to be dissapointing
@@ClearedAsFiled The others don't get as deep inside the causes and the hazards.
@@ClearedAsFiledagreed. He def goes into the highest amount of detail out of all of em
i cannot stress how much fatigue affects flying. any instructor flight i’ve flown tired decreased my situational awareness a ton, caused me to feel very stressed, and impacted my actual flying. regardless of where you are in your flying, never EVER fly unless you are well rested. it’s way better a waste of the trip to the airport or annoying your airline by refusing to fly then to risk dying.
I grew up a couple of miles from Coventry airport and was only a baby when this happened, so I never heard about the crash til fairly recently. I’m sure it was huge news in the area at the time. My parents remembered it well. Interesting to hear all about it now, thanks Petter!
I was doing A-levels in Southam at the time. It was big news, but it seemed to be forgotten quickly. The stunted pylon was visible from the A46 for quite a while. Very fortunate that no-one was killed on the ground with it crashing in the suburbs.
If you visit the estate you can still see a large break in the trees nearby a memorial on one of the houses and the pylon can be identified by the replacement top
As with most crashes, a whole series of different issues coincide to cause the fateful crash. Well explained.
When we are driving and that overwhelming need to sleep hits us we can at least pull to the side of the road, its terrifying to think of experiencing that when you’re in the air and need to be at your most focused to land safely.
Indeed.
On the other hand, there are two pilots in an airliner, one could probably sleep while the other one flies the plane for a while.
Or they could poke each other with a cattle prod to stay awake.
Seriously now. Once the plane took off, the pilots were doomed. Any go around or hold would just make them even more sleepy.
@@Pentium100MHz -I have been that sleepy before, almost at home and slapping my own face….cold air freezing me, radio at concert level….come on just a few minutes more, stay between the lines…. If that happens to a pilot, the end of that above scenario “just a few minutes more…ok lets configure for landing now” Oh Jesus!
I have the same problem driving a lorry. The hours are all over the place, i'm on days then i'm on nights. I'll spend the day in bed wide awake staring at the ceiling then spend the night trying to stay awake, and just as you get used to nights they give you a day shift. You can be well within your legal working hours but still feel totaly knackered. I often find driving a lorry is really easy, its the hours and the mixed up shifts they make you drive thats hard.
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"all 5 people were killed in the crash, but miraculously, "
Here am I the only one who expected Mentour to say some of the cattle survived?
If you'd paid attention, you'd know it only left Schipol with 5 humans & 10t of fuel on board. So unless something happened at East Midlands which wasn't reported, there couldn't have been any roast beef for the investigators...
Me too
I'd really appreciate if you cover the story of PIA Flight 8303. The most terrifying thing about this crash was that it landed in a densely populated area. Eager to know what went wrong with this one.
FinL report for that crash isn't out yet... but i would like to see him cover pia 661, its pretty much the alaska 261 of south asia
Interesting. Preliminary info suggests the approach was “hot and high,” causing extra workload and shorter decision times, so the pilot forgot he’d lowered the landing gear already, and retracted it just before landing (thinking he was lowering it)*…damaging the engines in a belly touch-and-go. Or, he realized his descent angle and/or speed was too great, and tried to go around (which included retracting the gear), but didn’t realize how low he already was.
Anyway, I agree it will make for a good Mentour video, once the final report comes out.
What strikes me about this story is how those lessons learned did not make it to the crew of the tragic Colgan air flight. Granted the Captain was sub par but the FO was clearly fatigued in this instance. Sadly history repeats itself and fatigue is definitely a factor in incidents and accidents and will be as long as humans operate equipment. Maybe one day there will be a fatigue test prior to each flight or duty period. Who knows?!
Various people have been commenting on the dangers of driving (as opposed to flying) whilst fatigued.
With my interest in how accidents in all forms of transport happen I am remind of the Great Heck Rail Crash in the UK. A fatigued driver (who was towing a trailer with another car on it) left the road and ended up on a rail track. An express train hit the wreck, derailed and was then hit by a freight train.
Ten people died, many more were injured (the car driver survived unhurt).
Also RIP to the cattle
I thought they had offloaded the cattle
@@Petertronicthey had, close to the slaughter house .
As someone who had a job where I couldn’t take a break ever to sleep and was so overworked that I literally slapped myself to stay awake while driving… this is so scary.
My daughter is at flight school right now and there have been a couple of times when she felt she was too tired to fly. We talked about it and she agreed that she would need to tell her instructor - which is a huge inconvenience to them, because they drove all the way out to the airport for her lesson. But she knew she had to do it. Fortunately she’s in Michigan, where they have terrible winter weather that makes flying VFR impossible - and every time her flight was canceled anyway. Whew 😂
Awareness of being unfit to fly should be taught as a top priority
@@conny.rapp.tattoo it is. That’s why she called me - she wanted someone to talk her through how she felt and whether it was reasonable for her to cancel her flight.
@@jahbern When we are fading out we just can't figure everything out. She did the right thing in getting outside perspective from a trusted source.
brings a whole new meaning to 'cattle class'...
😂😂 True
It's frightening how many times the word "assume" is said in this video.
I lost my job 3 years ago because of tiredness/sleeping disorder, and being in charge of a 26 tonne truck, I could have done a lot of damage if I fell asleep at the wheel
Most people probably feel hesitant about flying after watching these videos. Yet for some reason watching all these videos makes me want to learn to fly even more.
Same! And I used to be terrified of flying 😅 But now I really love it and would love to learn to fly a plane myself.
I have never been on a airplane in my life, but i am fascinated by them. Ive seen all documentaries of crashes, but i found your channel and i am so glad that you explained what went wrong so we can all learn rather than glorify the accidents. This channel is amazing ! New subscribers 💜
So this crash was on a flight of less than 35 miles / 15 minutes?! That's tragic! The two handlers on the back could have gone by car that short distance to then be off duty, or better yet the new crew could have come by car to East Midlands airport to operate this return flight.
it's more difficult because in a short space of time you have to manage take-off and landing, so the workload is greater. let's not forget that the conditions are just as bad.
The handlers’ cars would have been in Coventry. Why would they do anything but get on the plane to get back to them, bearing in mind they didn’t know it was going to crash?
You're absolutely right imo !
Just a side note, but the video of the animals on the plane with the overhead bins in the passenger cabin looked funny. Next time passengers got on that plane when they said "This plane smells like 💩!", they didn't know the half of it!
I have experience in heavy rail and heavy road transport. The problem is that you are at a HUGE risk of making a mistake when you are in such a state. One sign of being tired is your attention drifting off to things that you shouldn't be thinking about. I have experienced this, only to have an alarm (because I did not do something) screaming at me. It's not sleeping, but more like daydreaming. Dealing with the alarm and the jolt of fear will help you pay attention for a little while. It's a dangerous situation. Going from night work to day work also sucks. I hate it.
No cow was injured in this episode
Watching your videos is one of the things that has helped with my fear of flying!
Thank you, that is GREAT to hear!
Ohhhh. So FM Radio ends at VHF 107.7-9 ish and then ILS frequencies begin. This is so cool.
Interwoven with VOR frequencies in that range as well. When I was an avionics tech in General Aviation I worked on a nav/com radio that was reported to have a country music radio station blaring through the nav receiver at 108.00. I didn't see anything terribly wrong with the bargain-basement radio but the report was true - none of us knew that a new radio station - KMLE - had just come on the air at 107.9 (the top of the FM broadcast band) and the signal was spectacularly strong at the Deer Valley reliever airport in northern Phoenix.
Pilots in the US probably know if there is a 108.0 VOR station anywhere; we just used it as a VOR ramp test frequency. Connect a signal generator to a VOR antenna in the shop and see if a receiver that has complaints against it is normally sensitive and gives proper VOR indications. In Phoenix listening to 108.0 may result in line dancing in the cockpit. Boot Scoot Boogie, y'all!
Do not operate any vehicle while feeling sleepy. I once fell asleep while riding my motorcycle, returning home after 12 hour night shift, it was 7am in the morning... I kept falling asleep while on the highway and woke up me inches away from a big truck to my left. I could have easily went under. Still remember how I felt at that moment, the shock and sudden burst of adrenaline kept me awake till I got home.
Man can present. One of the best.
A power outage right as the plane is landing, what are the odds!
…Ah. 😔
sabotage maybe.
people do very strange things for things they believe in, and I cannot blame them, especially if they're aware of something they think existentially threatens humanity (as climate change does)
It's reasonable to assume the aircraft hitting the power lines caused the power outage.
I was going to mention whether "get-there-itis" may have been a factor, but Petter beat me to it in the wrap up. Excellent as always.
Your cadence is really good while telling the story! It creates an interesting psychological reaction of increased intensity, when you keep the same rhythm during the critical and emotional parts and stick to the objective side of the material! It makes the impression of a serious and professional man talking.
There was a good video about that crash by Aldo Sterone (an Algerian pilot who lives in UK) and he knew the pilots of that plane, he went to the site to understand how it happened, I really recommend if you understand French
Getting notification about uploaded video from mentour pilot, about airplane accidents, half an hour before entering a plane, just hits different. But knowing how much airplanes are safe today, I am not worried, I just find this funny in a way. 😅😂
Petter has such excellent storytelling abilities I would honestly watch him explain an uneventful flight between Stansted and Nice from start to finish.
Yeah, fatigue and sleep deprivation can be very distracting. I know this from my own work, when I am very tired (so, usually, towards the end of the week, cause the lack of sleep builds up until the weekend when I can finally get some proper rest) I start to forget an increasing number of things that I should do. Thankfully, I'm not working in a job where people's lives depend on me doing everything correctly, so it's not a big deal. But it clearly shows how extremely negatively people can be affected if they don't get enough proper sleep.
I used to be a driver as my job for a supported living home. I now work night care shifts for the same home but when I was a driver, the fatigue was one of the scariest things. I was driving staff to and from the home, taking service users to their activities and doing other driving errands.
I have had moments where I have hit curbs, and wavered side to side in my lane, mainly when I was alone with no one to talk to to keep me alert, due to the overwhelming fatigue I felt. It’s not worth it to go to work feeling too tired, I look back and wish I’d taken sick days when I was not fit to drive.
This terrible accident relates to driving as they are both operating a vehicle. It should be a lesson to anyone operating an vehicle about the dangers of fatigue. I’ve been fortunate enough to avoid disaster but I shudder to think how close I’ve come before.
Please can you do a video on the 737 rudder issues. It’s a pretty big story as it’s the longest NTSB investigation and I assume you’d have some experience to talk about it as well
Really good suggestion, they had two different hydraulic systems going through one valve iirc.
@@Nefville I think it was some flaw that allowed the rudder to be reversed the other direction. This is why I wanted a video in it as even the Mayday episode I struggled to understand what happened
@@tomstravels520 I remember it, its hard to explain but they had two hydraulic lines going through one servo valve, a primary and a secondary. In the valve there was a slide that moved to give hydraulic control to one system or the other by directing it through grooves in the slide itself. What would happen was the slide would jam and the grooves would line up in just the right way to reverse the flow. The procedure to counteract it was to pump the rudder slightly left and right to un-jam the slide. The problem is they had one part dedicated to the primary system and secondary system, basically rendering the redundancy of having two systems nill if that one part broke or jammed. It definitely needs to be on a video because without seeing how the valve was designed its impossible to explain properly. Petter did do a video on the 737 hydraulics but I don't think it covered these accidents at all.
Petter, definitely some parallels with Canada Flight 624 which you covered in some detail 3 months ago. Just goes to show the importance of checking Distance- Height on these non precision approaches during bad weather.
True
When you said "miraculously" I truly believed you were about to say that there were cows on board and they lived. The power of hope.
me too :) - really sad story, the cows died in the slaughterhouse and the crew in an accident
survive a plane crash that killed your handler, only to be slaughtered for your meat days later. cosmic irony.
They would've died a short while after anyway...
Whether the plane made it to its destination with them on board or not, they wouldn't have lived.
That poor controller, must have been awful and guilt-inducing to be guiding an airplane down, all the power go out for 10 seconds and not have any radar then when it comes back to find the plane has crashed >.
I have a bone to pick with you Mentour! Having got addicted to your videos a couple of weeks ago I cant seem to hold attention when watching other UA-cam content. Annoyingly you produce such high quality, well explained stuff, other things quickly become boring.
Som alltid en förstaklasig genomgång av olyckor och orsakerna bakom. Fortsätt med ditt arbete och ha en fortsatt god sommar!
It's very hard to monitor your own abilities when you're stressed and tired. I've been there, been told to stop but didn't because I didn't think I was impaired in any way. Fortunately, nothing went wrong.
What a great presentation of a complex story. Thanks.
Would love to hear your analysis of the plans of improvement.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
my father attended this accident as a police officer. i still remember him talking to me about it when he got home late that night. horrifying.
Where did this happen?
@@Meemay12123 it literally tells you exactly where in the video
@@evanscm3... where?
@evanscm3 like what part of it. I wanted to see if it was the one right up where I lived. I only asked a question, you could have " litrally" just gave me an answer instead 🤷♀️
@@Meemay12123 Impacted high tension power cables approx 52.38629581454545, -1.45166342200546, then the gable end of a house on Middle Ride. Finally coming down in woodland just to the south of that
Another good one, Thanks, Petter.
Thanks Petter. Great video as always
I'm from Coventry! Nice to hear our city being mentioned, despite the grim context. We also don't have an airport anymore 😭
Did it close because of the crash ?
It’s still around it just houses small planes these days
@psirvent8 no I think it was just very small and not used so often idk
@@williamhawker4394 oh awesome, I didn't know that! I'll have to pop by...
Loved it! Peter you nail it everytime hats off.
Always a pleasure to watch something new here, thank you for your amazing effort in these videos!
Great video, MP!
Fantastic video. I appreciate your efforts in explaining both the background and also the legacy of these incidents.
Thank you Petter, I’ve never heard about this accident before. A great presentation👍
Always listen to your body and sleep if you have to. I had an incident driving a car because I ignored my sleep apnea for so long, and then had a sudden work shift change from night shift to day shift. My body struggled to adapt to the change in schedule, and due to the sleep apnea, even when I was "sleeping," I wasn't actually getting the proper sleep. Eventually, I ended up completely blacking out behind the wheel on my way home from work, and when I came to, half the engine compartment was in the passenger seat and the car was firmly wrapped around a traffic signal post. I have zero recollection of crashing the car whatsoever, and I was so out of it, I didn't actually realize the full scope of what happened or the damage that had occurred until the next day when I had go to the tow place to sign off on paperwork. I honestly had no business walking away from that crash unscathed, and fortunate that only the car was totalled and that no one else was hurt.
Seriously folks, don't push your body too hard, and don't ignore health issues because you think it might take too much time out of your schedule or cost too much money to address. Even if you think you can push it off and ignore it, eventually the brain and body will just shut off on you and it doesn't care that you're operating a vehicle when it happens.
Excellent work by the narrator! Thank you so much!
Any shift worker would agree, the first nightshift is the worst. Trying to get adequate sleep beforehand is very difficult.
Have come to get the real meaning of professionalism via this channel, kudos petter, though I know little about the industry, I can testify that this little I got it here. Keep doing this man, bigup
Enjoy your content Mentour! Cheers!
Once again THANK YOU! Awesome content.
I just love your UA-cam content - Thanks Petter👍
Hi! I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina, I noticed as such that you used a picture of an abandoned slaughterhouse that's in what's today, a ghost town. It's called Epecuén and it was abandoned because it flooded and the water never left the town. It's a very interesting story, the place is nowadays used as a filming location pretty frequently because of these peculiarities. Love your videos as always!!!
Did not expect someone from the other side of the globe to recognize this building haha
Hehe interesting yeah it doesn't look like a British one.
I really like the way you explain each your video with different way of training and also the importance to follow them. I am in IT and i often do parallel discussion with the aviation rules investigation, training you have to ensure we improve too and also learn from mistakes. Thanks for this great video.
You have a great talent to present information in a meaningful way, providing enough (but not too much) detail, in the right pace, well balanced!
Thank you for providing such great documentaries to us!
Your support does an amazing job, especially with the visual effects.
Day shift to night shift and back is hard as heck to do. I've had to work a day, then the following day a night, and then after that another day. Always plenty of rest by the clock. But human bodies don't work that way, it takes time to adapt to a different schedule. That job was sheer hell, and i never want to do that again.
Great video Petter! I just love your story telling skills. I've never had specific interest in aviation until i started watching your videos :) I'd love to see you cover the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 some time, i found this one very sad and it would be amazing to hear your input on the story
Thanks for the story. You made them good!