Unstable Aircraft Design?! The Incredible Story of China Eastern flight 583

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  • Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
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    CHAPTERS
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    00:00 - Intro
    00:31 - Crossing The Pond
    02:17 - The Crew
    04:24 - A Little Physics
    08:04 - Stability
    10:47 - Flaps and Slats
    13:22 - Too Fast or Too Slow?
    16:46 - The Ride Begins
    21:15 - Too Late For Seatbelts
    25:24 - Dumping Fuel
    29:18 - Analysis

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  • @MentourPilot
    @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +185

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    • @rayoflight62
      @rayoflight62 10 місяців тому +42

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    • @soselek1544
      @soselek1544 10 місяців тому +13

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  • @akchuck100
    @akchuck100 10 місяців тому +1097

    My wife was in management at the Hospital in Anchorage when this happened. It was called a 'CODE External" over the hospital wide speakers. That meant that there were a large number of casualties coming into the hospital from outside the hospital (as opposed to a code internal, casualties from an 'In Hospital' emergency'). The emergency plan was designed for emergencies like a plane crash at the airport in town. The expectation was that employees would rush to the hospital to give help within 20 minutes or so. However, even though Providence Alaska Medical Center was the closest Hospital and because of the distance from the incident over the Aleutian Islands, it was still another 6 hours before the first casualties were expected to arrive at the hospital. There were 150, non-English speaking Chinese nationals who needed medical help.
    Great praise should go to not only the hospital personnel who rushed into work and then waited for the emergency to arrive, but to the passengers and crew who dealt with the victims for A LONG F-ING TIME before they could get real medical help. Also, great appreciation should go to all the employees of every Chinese restaurant in town (especially 'Charlies Bakery') who supplied VOLUNTEER translators to the hospital at a moments notice.

    • @Lucia-sy7le
      @Lucia-sy7le 9 місяців тому +40

      Brilliant thinking. 💜

    • @petep.2092
      @petep.2092 9 місяців тому +45

      Makes me wonder whether ETOPS should come with better medical support on board. Without it, passengers on an ETOPS flight should be made aware that in case they suffer a medical emergency there may be a delay of up to xx hours or more before medical attention can be provided. Something as routine as appendicitis can become deadly in 6 hours if left untreated.

    • @bluemoon5662
      @bluemoon5662 8 місяців тому +58

      I was thinking as the video came to a end, and before I read your comment, that there wouldn't be many Chinese speakers for translation in Anchorage, but how great that there was, and they were able to help at short notice.

    • @BobfromSydney
      @BobfromSydney 8 місяців тому +35

      I've met younger ethnic chinese staff at chinese restaurants who don't even speak any chinese dialects. It's great that the community in Anchorage were able to help in this case, it would have been even more challenging for the hospital staff without translators.

    • @ecashman
      @ecashman 8 місяців тому

      @@petep.2092 I had an experience like this with a flight crew leader -- basically, I was in the middle of a 28-hour journey across the world and was feeling a bit nauseated. I had just boarded my flight, and I asked to use the restroom. The flight crew leader started freaking out and warned me that if I had a medical emergency, I wouldn't be able to get help for likely 8-12 hours. He actually almost kicked me off the plane before I reassured him that I was fine and just a bit tired from the long travel... It turns out, he had just had a flight the previous day in which some experienced appendicitis over the middle of the Pacific Ocean and it was HOURS before the person was able to get proper medical treatment, he was clearly still very shaken up by the whole ordeal.

  • @93h
    @93h 10 місяців тому +1911

    No better way to start my morning than eating breakfast and watching a mentour video

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +259

      That’s the spirit!!

    • @fantasticsorcerer
      @fantasticsorcerer 10 місяців тому +35

      Well what about us Indians? Will we be able to watch while having breakfast?😅

    • @norlockv
      @norlockv 10 місяців тому +22

      Still working on the coffee. Breakfast can wait.

    • @jeevanjoshi4344
      @jeevanjoshi4344 10 місяців тому +6

      Its almost midnight here

    • @GiovanniPietro9000
      @GiovanniPietro9000 10 місяців тому +33

      ​@@MentourPilotSpirit? I thought you fly for Ryanair

  • @JG-zs8tr
    @JG-zs8tr 9 місяців тому +643

    20:10 Part of me is just glad to hear a story where the pilot responded to a stall by putting the nose down. It’s insane how many people have lost their lives to pilots pulling up or doing nothing.

    • @alex_zetsu
      @alex_zetsu 9 місяців тому +94

      Well it's rare for there to be an incident report when there was no loss of life and the plane landed safely, so the number of times a pilot got confused and mishandled a stall is probably overrepresented in documentaries. Remember Petter usually shies away from anything without an official report (in fact he only once did so without a report) so we're not going to hear much about the times a stall was handled correctly. In fact given there was no one dead, I'm surprised there _is_ a report this time since, again, it's usually reserved for incidents with loss of hull or life.

    • @ashton8289
      @ashton8289 9 місяців тому +23

      @@alex_zetsuyeah, exactly. As much as I want to learn about airplane accidents, I also fully recognize the hundreds of times safer flying is than other forms of transportation and the fact that accidents are reporting on the times things didn’t go well (usually), not the more common times when something goes wrong but the pilots handle it well. I think this often confuses less educated people in this area into thinking that plane accidents are common and pilots don’t handle emergencies well, when the opposite is the case.

    • @-SUM1-
      @-SUM1- 9 місяців тому +31

      @@alex_zetsu 2 people died.

    • @shrimpflea
      @shrimpflea 9 місяців тому +10

      If they did nothing the plane proably would have corrected itself and they woudl have avoided all this.

    • @alex_zetsu
      @alex_zetsu 9 місяців тому +8

      @@-SUM1- Oh I missed that. I thought there were only injuries. I guess in the back of my mind once the plane tocuhed down the inccident was over.

  • @djmech3871
    @djmech3871 10 місяців тому +406

    I remember this very well. I was a World Airways 31:51 mechanic on the MD-11 and after this incident we had to install a mechanical lock on the flap/slat handle. RIP to the two people who died.

    • @DuRoehre90210
      @DuRoehre90210 9 місяців тому +43

      And yet, the whole design of the control mechanism sounds brain-dead. The stable operation should not require permanent tension on the control cables, EVER. Tension is an invitation for things to break, towards the one or another direction.

    • @randallhunt9170
      @randallhunt9170 9 місяців тому +22

      It was this and other peculiarities that eventually relegated the MD-11 to cargo work only.

    • @joshcarter-com
      @joshcarter-com 9 місяців тому +26

      Agreed the mechanism is bonkers. The FAA mandate to make the mechanism “fail open” created a problem that was both more likely and more severe than the problem they were trying to fix.

    • @holstorrsceadus1990
      @holstorrsceadus1990 9 місяців тому +7

      ​@@DuRoehre90210as someone who uses Floyd Rose bridges on his guitars I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.

    • @jackdbur
      @jackdbur 9 місяців тому +18

      MD tried many "New" things to make sales many of their ideas were badly engineered and executed, much of this is due to how the company was organised, Management > bean counters > engineering. Thin push rods to lock baggage doors what could go wrong, those big bolts holding the engines on we can go a size down and save some money, & this one let's make this airliner unstable as to see what happens.

  • @ELBURNITO
    @ELBURNITO 10 місяців тому +1409

    This channel is - without a doubt - a piece of masterwork. No BBC or NG Aviation docu can keep up with what Petter is providing.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +143

      Thank you for the glowing response friend! Stay tuned! 😎💓

    • @da42ng92
      @da42ng92 10 місяців тому +10

      BBC target readers are different from MentorPilot’s audience.
      i love both platforms anyway.

    • @johndoh5182
      @johndoh5182 10 місяців тому +16

      Let me know when he gets made a knight by the British crown for his video work 🙂

    • @the_original_Bilb_Ono
      @the_original_Bilb_Ono 10 місяців тому +8

      I've been wanting to design a game where you get an actual college education in your field of choice. VR University, you attend a virtual university with a fully explorable campus. You can meet new people and you must go to your classes like normal. You could also party on the weekend. It would be a huge deal for not only game design but also in public education. For $60-$120 you will get a college education and a virtual social life as well.
      I can't wait until we get to the point where this is possible. I mean it's technically possible now, but a lot has to happen and a lot has to change for this idea to fully work as designed.

    • @davidjoseph7142
      @davidjoseph7142 10 місяців тому +8

      This is by far my favorite flight channel

  • @stormix5755
    @stormix5755 10 місяців тому +471

    I love watching Mentour Pilot as an adult the way I loved Saturday morning cartoons as a kid. Great way to start the weekend.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +86

      That’s Exactly what I want to hear!!

    • @rabbitinmyheadlights
      @rabbitinmyheadlights 10 місяців тому +3

      @@MentourPilot me too!

    • @johnarnell4241
      @johnarnell4241 10 місяців тому +2

      @@MentourPilot Is their any paperwork to complete when handing over control in flight?

    • @robertjenkins6132
      @robertjenkins6132 10 місяців тому +4

      My favorite was _X-Men: the Animated Series_ .
      Sunday was bad, though. The choices were (1) religious programming, like literally watching a preacher read the Bible (boring)
      (2) Golf (boring). This was before UA-cam or the Internet. I'm old.

  • @michaelmeyer6306
    @michaelmeyer6306 9 місяців тому +79

    I was stationed at Ellmendorf AFB, AK (just on the edge of Anchorage, AK) when this happened. Since Shemya was primarily an Air Force base, we were tasked with generating cargo aircraft to ferry passengers from Shemya to Elmendorf, where the passengers were then transported to area hospitals. Everything went smoothly with everyone involved working together admirably. It was later noted that it would have been quicker (it was about a 4 hour flight from Shemya to Ellmendorf or 8 hours round trip) for the passengers to be transported to Japan than to Anchorage since Shemya is actually closer to Japan than to Anchorage. Because of the Aleutian Islands being part of Alaska no one realized this till later.

    • @savannah115
      @savannah115 9 місяців тому +21

      I live in Juneau, and my family constantly asks me why it's such a big deal for me to have to go to Anchorage to see a medical specialist, and why sometimes I go to Seattle instead. It's just so hard for them to comprehend how big Alaska is, even though they know all the stats about its size. It took me a year to adjust to the distances just between towns in Southeast...Anchorage and Fairbanks are like different worlds lol.

    • @jonathankleinow2073
      @jonathankleinow2073 4 місяці тому +7

      Indeed, with the large number of injured passengers and a stable aircraft, it would have been better to proceed to Anchorage after the incident and get people to hospitals in less time. I say that knowing that hindsight is 20/20 and the people involved made the best decisions they could with the information they had available, of course.

  • @vertrox3435
    @vertrox3435 7 місяців тому +66

    As a recently-graduated aerospace engineering student, you did a great job describing how planes achieve stability!

    • @castirondude
      @castirondude 6 місяців тому +1

      I would add that the reason the rear stabilizer pushes down instead of helping to lift the plane , is so that the default is always for the plane to want to nose down, which is the more stable position. Nose up = stall = crash. When you build a home made aircraft this is one of the main checks in the air worthiness certification.

    • @jypsyjewels2854
      @jypsyjewels2854 4 місяці тому +1

      make sure you keep a good attitude

  • @snappycattimesten
    @snappycattimesten 10 місяців тому +196

    Back in the 90s when the seatbelt light went off, you heard the clack-clack of hundreds of belts being thrown open and off like it was a shackle. Different times today, as most now know the risk of unexpected turbulence.

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 10 місяців тому +9

      Indeed - fortunately.

    • @wanderer7755
      @wanderer7755 10 місяців тому +24

      Still heard to this day as dozens of idiots take their belts off prematurely while the plane is still rolling snd pulling into the stand

    • @windanthonystream
      @windanthonystream 10 місяців тому +39

      I don’t understand why passengers unbuckle their seatbelts when the seatbelt sign is turned off. It’s not uncomfortable to wear your seatbelt at all phases of flight unless you are a plus size person. You can’t even feel it most of the time.😊

    • @plektosgaming
      @plektosgaming 10 місяців тому +16

      A recent study found that air turbulence over the Atlantic had increased by 55% from 1979 to 2000.
      And even a few weeks ago, a woman died on a business jet from turbulence. Wearing your seat belt is a must unless you have to be moving around - and you are correct, we HAVE become smarter. Every time I fly into Houston, it's a complete roller coaster due to the constant rain and marine layers mixing in odd ways. It wasn't this bad back in the 80s for sure.

    • @availanila
      @availanila 10 місяців тому +7

      We have very little "bad air" over Africa (where I live and fly over mainly) and I still don't remove my seatbelt unnecessarily and when I must I belt up immediately after.

  • @mateuszkryszkiewicz7193
    @mateuszkryszkiewicz7193 10 місяців тому +322

    As a Bachelor of Aerospace engineering I got over a dozen of "oh" and "ah" moments during the technical part of this episode due to its extreme correctness. Pleasure to watch such a good content!

    • @kazikian
      @kazikian 10 місяців тому +8

      I don’t know anything about airplanes except binging this channel and I understood it all perfectly!

    • @michalgrbk
      @michalgrbk 9 місяців тому +9

      ​@kazikian And this is what makes this channel so awesome. It delights aviation enthusiasts on every level of experience.

    • @zeus6828
      @zeus6828 7 місяців тому +4

      As a Ph.D of Aerospace, I didn't. Stability was not explained correctly, which is very typical for pilots. But correct explanation of stability
      necessarily involves the concept of derivatives, i.e. the _rates_ of change of forces/moments. At which point most viewers will give up...

    • @medicchester
      @medicchester 7 місяців тому

      Yes, it put me to sleep super fast, as planned last night. Probably why the two died due to boring information nightmares. What percentage would you say are only in it for the $$$ cash? 40% I would say. Book worms, they remember every word on a book, but can't contemplate how to put together a Lego Star Wars spaceship, without a saw and some duct tape!!! 😮 Zero reasons a plane should fail. Look at the sky scapers, how ma y have fallen lately? Not as many as planes and automobiles hit each other or totaling themselves. Having an Auto worker strike should frighten Americans to death. Because they hire people with out care of safety. 😮 Life of my dad a former engineer and my grandfather. They never got rich, paid well, not complained or had a Union. They did their jobs as if they were working on a family home. Concerning life, the dignity of life through safety 1st and quality materials only that saves lives. Money they spent put of pocket to help their customers be safer was termsd pride in America once, not too long ago. Today pride is how fat your banks are and cool cars. 😂 Pilots need to have zero automatic anything in their first 5k hours or 8k. Just plain as day this pilot stalled the aircraft twice or 3 times. I know of some 10-year-olds who knew that was not smart. And during an Emrrgency. I don't think the pilot was professional. He probably lied about his hours of flight before being hired. Well it fly itself his parents taught him!

    • @bsadewitz
      @bsadewitz 3 місяці тому

      ​​@@zeus6828I somehow knew that "moment" was a term in physics, e.g. "magnetic moment", but could not for the life of me remember what it was beyond "something with forces". I haven't taken any physics other than in high school, haha. I can only surmise that sometime during my endless hours of internet it had been a thing.
      What you described is a wholly accurate, stepwise account of my thinking. I did *want* to understand it, so I googled it. I then started recursing back through those concepts, eventually giving up because it was too much to do while the video continued to play.
      I could have pressed "pause", but felt compelled to continue the video. Somewhat ironically, this parallels a common "human factors" problem that many of these videos address.
      I mused to myself, "Well, he really must have that doctorate!" Because having such a fine-grained understanding of "known unknowns" vis a vis someone else's reasoning is not something that one develops overnight.

  • @RenOfRaven
    @RenOfRaven 10 місяців тому +160

    You have explained the flight specifics without condesention, no extra drama, very educational. I wish more flight docu would talk like this, its usually the same information repeated over and over. I actually learned something! Will be watching more! 😊

    • @Julia-nl3gq
      @Julia-nl3gq 10 місяців тому +7

      I understand that some people prefer these types of stories being told with what you view as 'extra drama', but, at the same time, I understand that these are, in fact, extremely dramatic situations, so if a person prefers to portray them as the dramatic events that they are, that is okay, too.
      It's not right-vs-wrong, it's simply a matter of preference.

    • @RenOfRaven
      @RenOfRaven 10 місяців тому +9

      @Julia-nl3gq I didn't say it wasn't okay, just that I wish more were formatted like this. I have watched hour.long flight documentaries, where the same phrases are repeated over and over again with more intense music. They also don't provide the same alternative theories or possibilities in the technical way that he does. Yes, I prefer it this way.

    • @johnstreet797
      @johnstreet797 10 місяців тому +1

      and you never mentioned the "tarmac" once

    • @stevencooke6451
      @stevencooke6451 10 місяців тому

      I wonder how Petter finds time to do all the things he does. I miss his pets though.

    • @IroAppe
      @IroAppe 9 місяців тому +1

      Mentour sprinkles just the right amount of drama in, with music and animations. But all those media documentaries just have no idea about the actual technicalities behind this. That's the refreshing part here - we really learn in-depth what it's about, instead of the mostly shallow descriptions and 95% dramatizing of media documentaries.

  • @michaelallen1396
    @michaelallen1396 9 місяців тому +19

    I was working for DynCorp in LAX when this plane stopped overnight to de-cater the plane on it's way to Long Beach McDonnell Douglas Aircraft factory about 25 miles from there. I got inside the plane with the China Airlines rep and we walked through the cabin, I will never ever forget what I saw and I wear my seatbelt at all times on airplanes if I'm seated.

    • @XxfishpastexX
      @XxfishpastexX 9 місяців тому +2

      was there lots of blood all over the place? sounds like ridiculously violent affair…

    • @yankees29
      @yankees29 7 місяців тому +1

      @@XxfishpastexXsounds like it….

    • @gamerdrive5565
      @gamerdrive5565 3 місяці тому

      I wanna see what you saw.

  • @Tcb0835
    @Tcb0835 10 місяців тому +90

    After a 'difficult' flight back from Spain a few years ago, I became something of a nervous flyer. Since discovering your channel, I've got to the point where I actually listen to your videos to go to sleep at night...now THAT'S progress 😂 Thank you Petter, you're a miracle worker 😁

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +16

      So happy to hear that you find them helpful!! 💕
      Please check out my app 👉🏻 app.mentourpilot.com as well. I made it specifically for nervous flyers.

    • @Tcb0835
      @Tcb0835 10 місяців тому +3

      @MentourPilot Thank you Petter, I'll do just that 👍

    • @justcommenting4981
      @justcommenting4981 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Tcb0835what happened?

    • @Tcb0835
      @Tcb0835 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@justcommenting4981 Nothing particularly dramatic, to be honest. I'm an infrequent flyer anyway, and we got caught in the tail end of a tropical storm. It just meant lots of prolonged buffeting. They kept us strapped in, and all food/drink services were cancelled. As I say, for a frequent flyer, I'm sure it wouldn't have been half as traumatic, but it did shake me up a bit.

  • @stephaniebaker7329
    @stephaniebaker7329 10 місяців тому +271

    This isn’t related directly to this story, but your channel has gotten me really into aviation. I started off by binge listening to every story and then trying out Microsoft flight sim. After countless hours with my plug-in yoke, I decided to actually go for it. I found a CFI and I’m loving it so far!
    Thank you!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +53

      Awesome! Best of luck with your training and fly safe!

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 10 місяців тому +3

      Try Latecore flying boat sometimes. Such a glorious aircraft...

    • @mikecppro
      @mikecppro 10 місяців тому +2

      What's a CFI?

    • @honestdelivery
      @honestdelivery 10 місяців тому +6

      ​@@mikecpprocertified flight instructor. I would guess 😊

    • @honor9lite1337
      @honor9lite1337 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@honestdeliverythanks 😊

  • @uncaringbear
    @uncaringbear 10 місяців тому +211

    I loved Michael Crichton's book, Airframe, which was based on this incident. Despite the fictional nature of the story, Crichton didn't resort to sensationalizing the events of the incident and placing undeserved blame on the aircrew. I'm glad Mentour Pilot upheld those standards in his excellent coverage of this incident.

    • @limeyfox
      @limeyfox 10 місяців тому +6

      I was absolutely going to point this out. Would love a Mentour Pilot video discussing the novel 😎

    • @michaelbuckers
      @michaelbuckers 10 місяців тому +4

      There's never a scenario in which pilot induced oscillation shouldn't be blamed on the pilot.

    • @benjamin-austinhebert6072
      @benjamin-austinhebert6072 10 місяців тому

      I was thinking the same thing.

    • @denawiltsie4412
      @denawiltsie4412 10 місяців тому +16

      In this case the pilot didn't control more than would normally be needed to correct the problem. The issue is the controls were overly sensitive taking what should have worked and turning it into over controlling. There was some blame for the pilot but the major players were improper training and an unstable design. Unstable designs are great for fighters and acrobatics but for a normal aircraft or commercial aircraft, you should almost be able to take your hands of the wheel and the plane will fly its self. For the DC 11, it needed a computer running all the time to keep it stable.

    • @Julia-nl3gq
      @Julia-nl3gq 10 місяців тому +3

      @@kg-Whatthehelliseventhat Well, I want to make several points to you. Yes, that person might feel that other religions are wrong, and he can feel that way if he wants, because he, like everyone, has the right to his beliefs. It's not okay for you to act like he is wrong if those are his beliefs, because that means you are not allowing him the same right that everyone has - which is, as I said, the right to believe whatever you wish when it comes to God.
      Next point is that you're being hypocritial by putting him down for stating his beliefs, while, at the same time, you, yourself, are broadcasting your thoughts and feelings on beliefs. Now, we all know that hypocrisy is not okay, so kindly stop it.
      You say you are not attacking him, but you clearly are. So own up to it, or, better yet, don't attack him simply because of his beliefs.
      Weather he follows the idea of attraction vs promotion is his choice, not yours, and, I'll point out to you yet again that everyone has the right to their beleifs - this is a basic, and obvious, human right - so if he prefers promotion, that's his choice, and you should not attack him or put him down for it. Learn, instead, to humble yourself and respect people's basic human rights.
      Another point - you're being hypocritial yet again by putting him down for discussing religion on an airplane channel....while you yourself do the exact same thing.
      His message is not in any way 'prideful', I kindly suggest to you that you think about the meaning of that work, perhaps look it up in a dictionary, and then come back and re-read his post, perhaps then you will understand that it is not prideful.
      As for it being 'unwarrented', that is not your choice to make. That is his choice to make. He feels it is warrented, and that is what counts here, because what he posts is his choice, not yours. Again, kindly go and learn about the basics of human rights, because if you do that, perhaps you will learn and grow as a person, and that will enable you to understand that you do not get to decide, for others, what is warrented for them. Learn to be humble, instead of letting your ego lead you to believe that you know better than a person what is warrented for them.

  • @2days2cents
    @2days2cents 10 місяців тому +180

    I always keep my seatbelt on from beginning to end (meaning full stop @ gate!) of every flight I take. Also, I absolutely love roller coasters but I would not have enjoyed this ride! Thanks for thoroughly explaining exactly what happened on this flight. It is sad that there were two deaths and so many injured, mainly due to not wearing seatbelts!

    • @Milesco
      @Milesco 10 місяців тому +10

      Yeah, I do the same -- keep my seatbelt fastened the whole time -- for exactly this reason.

    • @PCLHH
      @PCLHH 9 місяців тому +6

      Same. There's really no reason to not wearing the safety belt, unless going to the WC.

    • @IroAppe
      @IroAppe 9 місяців тому +10

      Well, with a 10 hours flight, you usually have to take the chance and go to the toilet at least once. But I also try to minimize the time without having a seat belt on. Pilots as well on these flights, by the way - the relief crews have to get to their rest quarters at some time, or also to the toilet.

    • @harryparsons2750
      @harryparsons2750 9 місяців тому

      What do you do when you have to use the bathroom?

    • @harryparsons2750
      @harryparsons2750 9 місяців тому

      @@PCLHHWC?

  • @thegloomcookie2321
    @thegloomcookie2321 10 місяців тому +138

    Fresh student pilot here and videos like this are so helpful in illustrating the theoretical concepts taught in ground school ❤

    • @hamiltonian4698
      @hamiltonian4698 10 місяців тому +11

      proud of your dedication! good luck in your training!

    • @Truth1561
      @Truth1561 10 місяців тому +1

      ​​​@@hamiltonian4698how can you be proud of someone you don't know? Admiration maybe.
      Proud
      'feeling deep pleasure or satisfaction as a result of one's own achievements, qualities, or possessions or those of someone with whom one is closely associated.
      "a proud grandma of three boys"

    • @heatherwolmarans8287
      @heatherwolmarans8287 10 місяців тому

      @@Truth1561 They were trying to offer encouragement, and were offering a compliment. Don't be such an as*hole.

    • @billthetraveler51
      @billthetraveler51 10 місяців тому +3

      Congratulations on your training. You’re going to love flying. But you will always be in training. The learning never ends. Enjoy.

    • @JimMork
      @JimMork 10 місяців тому +2

      Ability to master certain academic skills are essential, but I still think the public is best served by a certain personality profile. Being very calm in crisis helps a whole lot. And not too touchy when you run into air traffic controllers who are abrasive. That means a bit more patience than average.

  • @mendel5106
    @mendel5106 10 місяців тому +59

    I finally understand what trimming the aircraft with the help of the horizontal stabilizer means. Thanks!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +14

      Glad it helped! That’s what I’m trying to do!

    • @domingosbarbara
      @domingosbarbara 10 місяців тому +1

      Me too! Thanks to Mentour Pilot!

    • @annettetozer894
      @annettetozer894 10 місяців тому +1

      Same here!! I only have so many flight hours towards a PPL and it finally clicked what trim really handles.

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 10 місяців тому +3

      Hah, same here. If you want to learn something about flight physics, just watch a bunch of Mentour Pilot videos. Eventually you’ll find one where he’ll teach you exactly what you want to know.

  • @trekkiepro
    @trekkiepro 10 місяців тому +43

    The aircraft involved in this incident continued flying with China Eastern, was eventually sold to China Cargo Airlines, and finally SkyLease Cargo in the US after that. It was scrapped in November 2016.

    • @AirbusA--si4kw
      @AirbusA--si4kw 3 місяці тому +4

      Fact: China Cargo Airlines is actually a subsidiary to China Eastern. EVA Air Cargo and Singapore Airlines Cargo also hold some minority shares in the company. Not to be confused with China Airlines Cargo (owned by China Airlines).

    • @michaelallen1396
      @michaelallen1396 3 місяці тому +2

      I have an unopened deck of playing cards from this aircraft given to me by the rep after I walked through it with him on it's way to Long Beach, stopped to get the food off.

  • @tomhsia4354
    @tomhsia4354 10 місяців тому +26

    Ah yes, I have a flight tomorrow. Nothing beats watching this type of content before a flight. You get to learn so much about how planes work and how the crew operates.

    • @tonyhussey3610
      @tonyhussey3610 4 місяці тому

      I hope your flight was successful and you get to read mine.. I'm flying this weekend... just assuming European flights are pretty safe these days 😂

  • @86_beans
    @86_beans 10 місяців тому +79

    Reading Airframe and Michael Crichton covered this terrifying event so authentically. Thank you for your excellent work on explaining the physics too.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +16

      Glad you enjoyed it! 💕💕

    • @dcviper985
      @dcviper985 10 місяців тому +22

      When he started talking about inadvertent slat extensions I immediately thought of Airframe. It was released in 1996, so I think we know where he got his inspiration.

    • @hendrikpingel4847
      @hendrikpingel4847 10 місяців тому +4

      ready the book fifteen years ago, interesting that there was a real story...

    • @dipling.pitzler7650
      @dipling.pitzler7650 10 місяців тому +5

      A very entertaining book but the way he pictured the sole designer of the aircraft as one grumpy old man sitting in a corner of a hangar instead of the more realistic team of hundreds of engineers working hand in hand was truly " romantic" LOL

    • @jayantkunte2252
      @jayantkunte2252 10 місяців тому +2

      Airframe was very enlightening reading giving a complete insight of such a complex machine. Thanks to Michael Chrishton and also thanks to Mentour for explaining it in details.

  • @richyrichk
    @richyrichk 10 місяців тому +70

    MD-11F Capt/Instructor- great coverage! Slats went from mechanical control to electronic control and are iinhibited for extension above 280 knots or Mach .55 to avoid a repeat. Even in a stick shaker event, where nornally the outboard panels extend automatically with a "ASE" shown on the PFD lower left.

    • @tomjoseph1444
      @tomjoseph1444 10 місяців тому

      And there were no more or less events as a result of the change. The change was an appeasement to China and nothing else. I was involved in the change.

    • @rashkavar
      @rashkavar 10 місяців тому +5

      Interesting. Always neat hearing how the aviation industry tweaks things in order to improve safety.

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 10 місяців тому +2

      @@rashkavar Indeed.

    • @AmazonAllie73
      @AmazonAllie73 10 місяців тому

      Was it this plane that had to step climb?
      I am trying to remember what plane it was in the 80's that freaked me out climbing out of YYZ over Lake Ontario.

    • @skyhawk_4526
      @skyhawk_4526 10 місяців тому +5

      @@AmazonAllie73 All large transport airplanes ("heavies") use step climbs on long routes. They initially cruise at one altitude and then increase the cruising altitude in "steps" over time as fuel is burned off and the aircraft becomes lighter and can climb higher. The weight difference between takeoff and landing can be hundreds of thousands of pounds in large aircraft flying long distances, and as a result, the optimal cruising altitude significantly increases as the flight progresses and that fuel weight is reduced. A fully fueled 747 might start with an initial cruising altitude of 32,000 feet and ultimately step climb up to 39,000 feet (or higher) over the course of a 10+ hour flight.

  • @jasongraham731
    @jasongraham731 10 місяців тому +22

    Another great video Peter.
    I always wear a loose seatbelt when flying and this demonstrates why. You just never know if / when it’ll be needed, and can quite literally save one’s life. RIP this two.

  • @stormchasingirl1133
    @stormchasingirl1133 10 місяців тому +43

    I just want to thank you for your channel. I flew for the first time this week and it went great thanks to all your educational content. I was fully prepared and knew all the noises and what they were and what turbulence was. I owe a successful flight to you @Mentour

  • @raquellofstedt9713
    @raquellofstedt9713 10 місяців тому +59

    I really believe the head and neck injuries from the turbulence. As A teenager I was flying with my parents to the East coast. We hit turbulence over the midwest, and I was in the restroomwhen a particularly bad pocket dropped the plan. In reality, it was most likely only a dozen feet. My head hit the roof of the restroom. The light for seat belts had just gone on as I had been finishing up, and then suddenly, I had a headache (and was on the now wet floor). I don´t think I really pieced together what happened until I got to my seat and found my mother silently panicking in her seat.

  • @user-lv7ph7hs7l
    @user-lv7ph7hs7l 10 місяців тому +72

    As an avid player of Kerbal Space Program I appreciated the stability explanation. I have created many a misshapen flying machine but as long as cl is somewhere behind cg with a little distance in between it flies. :)
    Didn't they used to say, an aircraft with cl behind cg flies badly. An aircraft with cl in front of cg flies once.

    • @Jimorian
      @Jimorian 10 місяців тому +19

      Kerbal Space Program was the first thing I thought of when Petter started explaining the relationship between Center of Lift and Center of Gravity!

    • @user-lv7ph7hs7l
      @user-lv7ph7hs7l 10 місяців тому +8

      @@Jimorian Cue violent oscillations after slightly grazing the stick...

    • @xely475
      @xely475 10 місяців тому +10

      But those planes are just different. Jebediah doesn’t care about these forces. 6 Gs of positive force? Jebediah is fine. 8 G negative? Jebediah is confident and smiling as always. A minor case of the front stabilizers being burned off? Jebediah is just sheddig weight. He is nothing like those whiny humans.

  • @humza_arain
    @humza_arain 10 місяців тому +55

    Sir. As an aviation and space enthusiast, I just want to say how much I appreciate your videos for your absolutely captivating story-telling and your technical explanations. I have been closely following your channel for many months (including the Mentour Now channel) and I have learned a lot. God bless you sir and I hope you continue to fascinate us with your quality content.

  • @hansbaeker9769
    @hansbaeker9769 10 місяців тому +8

    I learned as a kid to keep my seat belt fastened -- that if I need to unfasten it for some reason, to fasten it again as soon as practical. In the vast majority of commercial flights, I never adjusted the seat belt at all between takeoff and landing.

  • @ryanfannin8498
    @ryanfannin8498 10 місяців тому +22

    I love these technical videos. I'm a software engineer that works on flight controls and I still learn a lot about aerodynamics from your videos.

  • @silverXnoise
    @silverXnoise 10 місяців тому +103

    Captain, I respect you, your channels, and appreciate the content you produce, as I consider it to be high quality, honest, and intended to improve the safety and lives of your audience. It’s with that in mind I ask that you refuse future sponsorships from BetterHelp, who have demonstrated an utter lack of integrity and all of the qualities I identify with you and your channels. Keep up the good work, and thank you for your hard work.

    • @epkostaring
      @epkostaring 10 місяців тому +4

      👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @trickshotworld3369
      @trickshotworld3369 10 місяців тому +2

      POV: you’re trying to get pinned

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +30

      I raised these points with the company prior to agreeing to the sponsorship and they assured me that the points raised had been sorted.
      I then tried the service out myself and found it to be well structured and helpful.
      I be er promote a service on my channels that I haven’t used myself and found helpful.

    • @silverXnoise
      @silverXnoise 10 місяців тому +16

      @@MentourPilot Thank you for hearing us, either way. I don’t know that BH has done enough to earn back the damaged trust of patients, but I know how hard it is to earn a living for yourself, and I appreciate your extending the effort!

    • @silverXnoise
      @silverXnoise 10 місяців тому +6

      @@The_ZeroLine Clever, but my concerns extend beyond the atrocious mistakes BH has made, to the detriment of their customers’ health, and into the political trashfire of American politics where the inexcusable failure to guarantee access to basic healthcare to its citizens has created an environment where scam artists and questionable intentions have a head start since so few people have access to local healthcare professionals, and where “gig economy” bullshit has not been meaningfully regulated. This is obviously well beyond the scope of this channel, and I wouldn’t expect anyone here to stake out such strong positions one way or another. I don’t believe that the market of demand for a service like BH should exist in a just world, but I’m also incredibly idealistic.

  • @catyatzee4143
    @catyatzee4143 10 місяців тому +10

    i actually love light turbulence, I feel that it's like rocking me to sleep on a plane. When i told my husband, a nervous flyer, this he looked at me like I had three heads haha

  • @ecs2ecs46
    @ecs2ecs46 10 місяців тому +19

    Been watching Mentour pilot since the beginning. I’m not a pilot, just a curious “nervous” frequent flyer. Mentour’s videos have helped to completely eliminate my fear of flying, greatly appreciated!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  7 місяців тому

      Thank you so much for your support!

  • @morenauer
    @morenauer 10 місяців тому +267

    I remember once being in really bad turbulences (been in bad a few times, but really bad just this once) and it was just before landing at Frankfurt, so probably there was a lot of windshear that made things worse. Not only the plane was shaken to the left and right, but it felt like it dropped like 30 m out of a sudden, as if it had ben BONKed from the top by some gust of wind. Fucking hell, I can still remember my fingers grasping at the seat. I didn't crap myself because I had already pooped during the trip.

    • @dosmastrify
      @dosmastrify 10 місяців тому +3

      Same, just a boopp down 50ft

    • @dirkbruere
      @dirkbruere 10 місяців тому +7

      I was once on a high turbulance flight. It was quite enjoyable!

    • @johnmightymole2284
      @johnmightymole2284 10 місяців тому +12

      As on that flight, sitting behind you. I thought there was a funny smell.

    • @hydorah
      @hydorah 10 місяців тому +4

      I've felt that exact feeling. Like pitch and speed did not change at all, it's like the plane hit a hole in the air and had loads less lift for a split second. I'll bet it's an air pressure / lift thing, but could be downward force from wind I suppose. It was quite unsettling!

    • @stevekitt52
      @stevekitt52 10 місяців тому +6

      I've hit turbulence near Frankfurt too.A pretty bouncy ride, probably more so than hitting the edge of a hurricane near Florida.

  • @garman1966
    @garman1966 10 місяців тому +140

    In the 80's I was flying in a DC-10 from LAX to Sydney at night. 3 hours into the flight when most people including myself were sleeping at high altitude the plane suddenly ran into some kind of wind shear. I was in the center part of the plane, inner seats about where the wings were, and we suddenly got severe G forces, first positive and then negative. The plane was flexing like crazy and the engines started screaming like they were advanced to full power. At some point we started descending at a steep rate which is when I thought we were going to crash, but a short time later, though it seemed very long, we leveled out. Captain came on intercom about ten minutes after leveling off to tell us we had hit high altitude wind shear and we had to return back to LAX at a lower speed and altitude because the plane may have been damaged. When we got back to LAX 4 hours later we were greeted by many fire trucks and ambulances on the runway as quite a few people had been injured hitting the ceiling during the event and taken out on stretchers. I think it was a Continental DC-10 and I would love to get any information on this incident. Is there a resource Mentour Pilot that I can access to find out what really happened?

    • @blatherskite9601
      @blatherskite9601 10 місяців тому +2

      Had many a floght on VC-10... never the same problem.

    • @EscapeTheCloudsOfficial
      @EscapeTheCloudsOfficial 10 місяців тому +14

      @@blatherskite9601 He said DC-10, not VC-10.

    • @oskarelmgren
      @oskarelmgren 10 місяців тому +13

      Sounds like a reasonable safety procedure to descend as quickly as possible to a breathable altitude if there's any suspicion of a depressurization. Absolutely no time to make PA's in that case, no matter how scary it can be for the passengers.
      And of course divert to nearest reasonable airport.
      Sounds like the pilots did exactly what they should have done.
      Not sure about engine power. But I would assume that if you're not at max mach or indicated airspeed limit, and anything sudden happens to the airspeed, toga power is always the correct choice while you figure out what's happening.

    • @justcommenting4981
      @justcommenting4981 10 місяців тому

      Interesting. Odd they would take you all the way back to L.A. instead of Denver or Chicago after 3 hours in.

    • @Cecily-Pimprenelle
      @Cecily-Pimprenelle 10 місяців тому +9

      ​@@justcommenting4981 not strange at all, as there aren’t many airports (... or land at all) between Los Angeles and Sydney. Perhaps Papeete, but it might have been further than LAX at that point (and possibly without the company’s mechanics).

  • @Sciath27
    @Sciath27 10 місяців тому +7

    As soon as you started talking about all the tweaks to fix potential issues with the way it was designed I thought of what Mr. Scott said in a Star Trek movie that always stuck with me " The more you overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain..."

    • @andrewboychurch
      @andrewboychurch 20 днів тому

      every plane design is a "compromise" hence all planes have "issues".... is closer to what he said:
      compromise = aerodynamic solutions
      issues = aerodynamic characteristics
      all issues are potential problems...
      but yes Scotty is likely right... i liked that Trek moment too

  • @SMGJohn
    @SMGJohn 10 місяців тому +12

    This is why I never take off my seatbelts, I remember seeing a Soviet movie as a child where passengers were being thrown all over the place during bad turbulence, that really instilled some fear into me.

    • @shrimpflea
      @shrimpflea 9 місяців тому

      How do you go to the bathroom?

    • @SacrificeBreedsSuccess
      @SacrificeBreedsSuccess 9 місяців тому +5

      @@shrimpflea90 plus passengers who were hurt in this flight due to not wearing their seat belts weren’t in the “bathroom”

    • @ajithjoj
      @ajithjoj 9 місяців тому

      whats that soviet movie name?

    • @SMGJohn
      @SMGJohn 9 місяців тому

      @@ajithjoj
      I do not remember, I would put the title in, I tried looking it up too but my Russian is poor.

    • @AnD1262
      @AnD1262 7 місяців тому

      @@shrimpflea been on 8 9 hour flights didn't need the bathroom on all but 1 of them, i didn't eat on any of them tho... mind you i did had to go to the toilet in the terminal bathrooms

  • @kdub1242
    @kdub1242 10 місяців тому +30

    I particularly like the technical interludes. Always crystal clear explanations of the aerodynamics and systems that anyone can understand. Well done.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +5

      Thank you! That’s exactly what I’m trying to do

  • @andreasgeorgilidakis
    @andreasgeorgilidakis 10 місяців тому +103

    This video reminded me of "Airframe", a book by Michael Chrichton I read many years ago, about a plane with such violent oscillations, due to pilot overcorrection after accidental slats deployment at high altitude!
    Obviously Chrichton used this real incident for inspiration!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +36

      Indeed he did

    • @nadines1618
      @nadines1618 10 місяців тому +5

      The conclusion from the novel, the pilot let his son drove the plane. His son wasn't a pilot and he didn't know that when the plane was porpoising, he should have just let go the plane control.

    • @h8GW
      @h8GW 10 місяців тому +10

      @@nadines1618 I believe the plot of the novel was an amalgamation of CE583 and another one where a flight crew allowed a family member into the cockpit.

    • @Wolfeson28
      @Wolfeson28 10 місяців тому +5

      @@h8GW A little bit of Aeroflot 593 for that element, but yes, virtually all of Airframe came from this flight. Things like that list of slats-related incidents are even used almost verbatim in the book.

    • @ExpoAviation
      @ExpoAviation 9 місяців тому +3

      @@nadines1618 In the novel the son was a pilot for that airline but was not certified to fly that model of aircraft.

  • @RandyBakers
    @RandyBakers 10 місяців тому +2

    Mate, I've just discovered your channel and boy! This is good, you're good. I have all your videos to watch now and I'm delighted 😊

  • @timothyreilly6742
    @timothyreilly6742 9 місяців тому +6

    Very well done. My dad who was an aero engineer always talked about trim drag. So I new about that, but the discussion on pitch stability by changing the CG to reduce trim drag was was very well done. You do a great job on these videos.

    • @ivandaniel2596
      @ivandaniel2596 24 дні тому

      you know about certain airplane trim physics but not the difference between new & knew??

  • @Zufalligeule
    @Zufalligeule 10 місяців тому +24

    As far as i know, this accident was one of the two, from which Michael Crichton took his inspiration, while he was writing a novel "Airframe". And the other one was Aeroflot flight 593.

    • @pastorjerrykliner3162
      @pastorjerrykliner3162 10 місяців тому

      YES!

    • @-DC-
      @-DC- 10 місяців тому +2

      Fantastic book 👍

    • @connor3284
      @connor3284 10 місяців тому +2

      Looking at the synopsis it seems like the plot is almost exactly what happened with this case. It's surprising he was able to get a novel about such a niche topic published, honestly. It's very interesting for a 30 minute video but I don't know how interesting it would be for the average person to read a whole novel about it!

    • @RohonNag
      @RohonNag 10 місяців тому +1

      Its based on two different incidents. The book is incredible. Gripping from start to end.

    • @pastorjerrykliner3162
      @pastorjerrykliner3162 10 місяців тому +1

      @@connor3284, the initiating event is really just the introduction to the deeper story about the decline of US airliner production...

  • @mylesandmore0
    @mylesandmore0 10 місяців тому +55

    What better way to pass my time during a layover than watching a mentour video 😁 always high quality and just insanely good videos, keep it up!!

    • @JohnSmythe-od4gk
      @JohnSmythe-od4gk 10 місяців тому

      Watching this on a transatlantic flight right now. Can’t think of a better way to pass 8 hours than to buy the Wi-Fi and just lose myself in air accident videos. Bliss.

  • @abhayvenkatesh8934
    @abhayvenkatesh8934 8 місяців тому +1

    This is a stunning video. The kind of explanation about CG and the pitch characteristics are second to none! Thank you for this amazing piece of content, and for EVERYTHING ELSE that you create.

  • @yoluko4750
    @yoluko4750 10 місяців тому +2

    The standard of these videos is incredible; amazing animation and clear explanation. Great work Petter, you and the team have really outdone yourselves with this one.

  • @cule2160
    @cule2160 10 місяців тому +80

    Thanks for taking the time to produce great content for us!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +18

      Glad you enjoy it! 💕💕

  • @dcviper985
    @dcviper985 10 місяців тому +11

    Michael Crichton wrote a book about a similar occurrence called “Airframe”. But in his version an inadvertent slat extension was nearly impossible in the way it’s presented here. (There was a guard on the handle)

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +14

      That book is indeed based on this incident

  • @sBaum
    @sBaum 9 місяців тому +6

    I was once on a flight where the turbulence got so rough. We actually lost cabin pressure.. women and children screaming…the works it was wild

  • @PartanBree
    @PartanBree 10 місяців тому +4

    In our family we call turbulence "potholes". It's really no more scary or mysterious than that. It's just that when you're travelling at several hundred miles an hour, hitting a pothole can be pretty rough. Wear your seatbelt!

  • @Sams911
    @Sams911 10 місяців тому +47

    I have over 2000 hours on the MD11... it's a GREAT airplane, ahead of it's time in many ways.. but it's unforgiving if you don't know what you're doing, especially on landing. the smaller elevator with LSAS could create for a handful during gusty landings.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +17

      Yes, it had a quite unique landing technique if I’m not mistaken 😊

    • @wozja
      @wozja 10 місяців тому +4

      Cool did you have any hours on the DC10 ? Are there a lot of flight differences between the two versions ?

    • @Sams911
      @Sams911 10 місяців тому +9

      @@wozja yes, I did... the -30 which also had the middle gear.. frankly if it was light, it too was a bit prone to bouncing, but didn't have the stability issues the 11 had... over all easier to land.. but especially at weights closer to 370-390K..

    • @desertdog2282
      @desertdog2282 10 місяців тому

      You are correct, and we fixed a lot of tail strikes because of it.

    • @user-nr3ss5hk9s
      @user-nr3ss5hk9s 8 місяців тому

      the MD 11 was a terrible plane I flew virtually every large airliner but that plane was without a doubt. The worst

  • @rezenpm
    @rezenpm 10 місяців тому +12

    Incredibly enlightening. Not a pilot, but my understanding of physics just leveled up bigtime. Great video. Thank you!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +4

      Glad it was helpful! 💕💕

  • @indomitable2566
    @indomitable2566 7 місяців тому +6

    As a chemical engineer who studied process control, the way you described the LSAS to me sounds like the engineers used a PI control feedback closed loop system to move the plane to a set point stabilization every time it pitched or de-stabilized. That’s how it corrects overtime until the error difference between the output and setpoint is minuscule.

    • @davidt5770
      @davidt5770 6 місяців тому

      You are right, it looked like PI control, but odds are there was some derivative action as well. It looks like an interesting (read complicated) control system to design. I know software is relatively cheaper than metal (or fuel or blood), but the multiple design constraints mentioned are familiar - problems, requiring ever better modeling and solutions with smaller allowable difference between setpoint and measured process variable. (a long retired chemical process control engineer). I have noticed that operators tend to err on the side of over-response, like the pilot - we are not very good at estimating overshoot.

    • @omurolmez0
      @omurolmez0 6 місяців тому +2

      @@davidt5770 I think one second longer stall warning helped the situation went worse.

    • @davidt5770
      @davidt5770 6 місяців тому +1

      @@omurolmez0 That is what he said. For that detail I would really need to know a lot more to be sure of, but it is entirely possible.

  • @Medyo
    @Medyo 10 місяців тому +6

    I really like the graphics you use, from the simulated cockpit to the planes and the environment, very technical but really visually engaging. Keep it up and thanks!

  • @steve-marsh
    @steve-marsh 10 місяців тому +10

    Fascinating stuff. Petter's videos just continue to get better - well done to the whole Mentor team

  • @alexhndr
    @alexhndr 10 місяців тому +18

    I just happened to experience my first ever flight in my life 2 weeks ago
    I still even remember what flight i got: AirAsia Flight 8440, Bali-Jogjakarta.
    From the fast taxi, the very powerful Take-Off roll (A320 btw), the climb to 10k ft, ALL OF IT, its a very exciting moment. One thing to note tho, is that while its a VERY BRIGHT and CLEAR SKY all the way, there is STILL Turbulence. Even tho its a small Turbulence, the feeling it exert still managed to make my body remember the sensation. Its like rolling over soft bumps, over and over again for couple of seconds, sometimes minutes. Me being an enthusiast actually walked down the aisle for rear toilet when it happened. Its a surreal feeling.
    Anyway, crew is super nice, i even got to talk with them at the back of the cabin for a while. Apparently that flight i got on actually still flies to Singapore after Jogjakarta.
    Thankfully there is no problem pops up on the flight, and we landed on YIA (Yogyakarta Internasional Airport) apparently *10 minutes* faster than expected. Oh, and the landing is *butter* as well. Sadly i didnt remember who the pilot and FO operating that flight that day. But i made sure to tell the Flight Attendant to send my regards for the butter landing.
    Its just a short one hour 10 minutes flight, but its a very memorable one.
    Maybe one day i will pick another flight again, possibly longer and flies somewhere internasional.
    One day...

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 10 місяців тому +2

      Thank you for sharing your experience.

    • @michaeless882
      @michaeless882 10 місяців тому

      Bless Air Asia but please bring back the Coolangatta -- KUL.....pretty pease?

    • @tvtothepoint
      @tvtothepoint 10 місяців тому

      How lovely it must be to live in a destination so enjoyed by people from all over the world!
      I'd love to fly into Bali some day. It's a bit of a "bucket list" destination of mine, although my original purpose of surfing the famous beaches is no longer a possibility for me anymore because of physical limitations.
      I'd still enjoy watching others surfing and and would like to chat with expats and digital nomads in the area to see if it may be possible for us (I've since re-married) to have an extended visit if I were able to engage in a contract for services locally, or find distance work.
      Glad to hear your first flight was so enjoyable.
      Tschuss!

  • @flashgrimshaw6797
    @flashgrimshaw6797 10 місяців тому +1

    Discovered your channel last week! Already listened to most of your back catalogue.. really interesting videos with loads of detail!

  • @nikolamalakov8721
    @nikolamalakov8721 10 місяців тому +3

    Mentour coming at the right time again! Just did my ATPL M&B and now POF! A lot of crucial information coming to practice! Thank you!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +2

      Fantastic! That’s what we are trying to do!

  • @senddeee1451
    @senddeee1451 10 місяців тому +7

    Man I absolutely love this channel, however better help has recently been exposed for misleading people. The “therapists” many times are unlicensed and charging excessive amounts for their fraudulent work. Truly sad to see their grift being done on one of my favorite UA-camrs

  • @Ticklestein
    @Ticklestein 10 місяців тому +8

    Mandatory complaint about BetterHelp being a garbage sponsor. On principle. We didn’t forget their history.
    That principle fulfilled,
    Liked the video, nice one, Petter! 👌🏻

  • @MortenSlottHansen
    @MortenSlottHansen 10 місяців тому +1

    Love the enthusiasm when telling the story - really helps to keep things interesting and audience on the edge of their sets!

  • @clymerwright8591
    @clymerwright8591 10 місяців тому

    Love all the technical details. MORE PLEASE!

  • @steve3291
    @steve3291 10 місяців тому +30

    Another great episode. I always keep my seatbelt fastened when not moving around the cabin. And, why does the turbulence always start during the meal service when I am flying?

    • @cesardavrieux3767
      @cesardavrieux3767 10 місяців тому +8

      Es una de las Leyes Principales de Murphy... "Servir café en vuelo provoca turbulencias"

    • @EugeneSeidel
      @EugeneSeidel 10 місяців тому +4

      For the same reason a dropped toast always lands on its buttered side :D

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 10 місяців тому +2

      Same reason that leaving my car windows open in the driveway causes a thunderstorm.

  • @deva777
    @deva777 10 місяців тому +17

    Without a doubt this is the best aviation channel in youtube.... Your way presentation and animations got me interested in becoming a pilot!!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +3

      Happy to hear that! 💕💕

  • @paragliding66
    @paragliding66 10 місяців тому +7

    Perfect description of how the aircraft finds its stability thanks to the balance of aerodynamic forces between its center of gravity, wings and tail ✈️

  • @supernick2072
    @supernick2072 8 місяців тому +6

    I'm no pilot, but I understand the concept from driving at speed. If you lose control, you have to apply your input gently. Otherwise, you make the loss of control worse.

  • @crhodgkin
    @crhodgkin 10 місяців тому +9

    I think the technical/scientific descriptions you give provide a rich and much-needed context to understand these accidents and aviation more broadly and are one of the reasons I enjoy these videos so much.

  • @beverlyweber4122
    @beverlyweber4122 10 місяців тому +10

    Ohhhh, I remember this one! Michael Chricton wrote the novel Airframe based on this incident.
    I've read that book more than a few times.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +8

      It’s supposedly a great book!

    • @bobb7795
      @bobb7795 10 місяців тому +5

      I picked up this book in an airport and read it for the first time during a long haul flight across the atlantic. I didn't do it on purpose but It was quite eerie having the sound of the plane going on while the story unfolded. I like reading paperbacks on longhaul flights...📖✈ and each bit of turbulence an any flight now takes me back to that bit of the story.

    • @dansaxe
      @dansaxe 10 місяців тому +2

      It’s an excellent book and highly recommended!!

    • @beverlyweber4122
      @beverlyweber4122 10 місяців тому

      @@MentourPilot It is really good. I listen to it on Audible from time to time. One of my favorites.

    • @daonlyzneggalz7522
      @daonlyzneggalz7522 10 місяців тому

      Definitely have read it a dozen times easily myself. Love how the author went into the detail of how investigations work, even though that fictional one was much shorter than real-life ones seem to.

  • @jpwhiddon
    @jpwhiddon 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for another excellent video. I do not understand a lot of the technical things you describe, but you paint a clear picture of how the process works. The math and rigorous training involved is staggering.

  • @skwervin1
    @skwervin1 10 місяців тому

    I have been watching you from close to the start of your career on UA-cam and the improvement to your diagrams, animations etc is amazing and from the beginning I have enjoyed the level of detail in your reporting.
    Keep up the excellent work!

  • @edanalytics9336
    @edanalytics9336 10 місяців тому +41

    Hi Petter! The NTSB report for the ditching of Transair 810 off the coast of Honolulu is riveting stuff, if you have a chance I think you would enjoy reading it. There are also some interesting articles on CRM issues too, for that case.

    • @FNLNFNLN
      @FNLNFNLN 10 місяців тому +2

      Shut down the wrong engine huh? I swear I've heard this one before.

    • @Lexlugr
      @Lexlugr 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@FNLN3355 Kegworth/Midlands and that crazy transair crash (caught on someone's dashcam) that was all over the news. It's an odd but still happens a lot, unfortunately

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 10 місяців тому

      Indeed.

    • @heidirabenau511
      @heidirabenau511 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@FNLNFNLNthe preliminary report of the recent Yeti Airlines crash in January found that the pilot monitoring feathered the engines instead of extending the flaps.

  • @clayton-mubaira
    @clayton-mubaira 10 місяців тому +17

    1st, I’ve watched every single video Mentour thank you for truly being an amazing teacher I aspire to be a pilot for British airways one day , I have to work hard for it tho nothing good in life comes easy, I’m 16 right now but I’m studying for The Aptitude test for CAE Oxford and will begin going over ATPL topics.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +7

      Awesome! Best of luck!

    • @cdd4248
      @cdd4248 10 місяців тому +4

      Best of Luck to you! Be proud that you are following your passion!

  • @naturalverities
    @naturalverities 8 місяців тому +1

    So informative, viewers should receive continuing education credits. As a mechanical engineer, I found this intriguing. Thanks!

  • @programviaheart4743
    @programviaheart4743 7 місяців тому +1

    I flew China Eastern from PEK to LAX in 1993 several times, but was not on this flight. The thing I remembered was that smoking was still allowed at that time, usually the last two rows of seats are reserved for "smoking lounge", passengers came here, enjoy a cigarette, then came back to own seat. Before, I read some articles about this incident, written by Chinese passengers, it was first time (large group of) Chinese civilians entering US military air base since Korean War. The passengers all had good impression about the hospitality of US soldiers. But nobody told me this was caused by human error, until I watched this video. Thank you! By the way, at that time, all Chinese commercial airplanes are flew by retired Chinese PLA fighter pilot, they did not learn English until join airlines, so I really doubt about the result of their training.

  • @TheRealPoseidonGod
    @TheRealPoseidonGod 10 місяців тому +3

    I started following you years ago when I first got in love with aviation, and still today I enjoy watching for the tenth time your videos. Hello from Italy, keep up the good work 💯

  • @user-zf8bc1gn1v
    @user-zf8bc1gn1v 10 місяців тому +7

    He only has 1million subscribers this is so unfair he deserves more

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  10 місяців тому +2

      Thank you!! I’m working on it

    • @Ealsante
      @Ealsante 10 місяців тому +4

      1.5 million now, and Petter and team have earned every single one of them!

  • @adambutsch2820
    @adambutsch2820 4 місяці тому +1

    "Flap Slat Handle" is my favorite bluegrass band

  • @danieltouma5975
    @danieltouma5975 5 місяців тому

    From Spain,
    Mentor, I love your videos and how you explain in detail. Been binging these for years, underbart!!

  • @karenlindley.9756
    @karenlindley.9756 10 місяців тому +5

    Wow…..yet another great video! Your channel is seriously the best. You don’t only focus on the accident but give us so much mind blowing background information of the plane construction, operating systems etc….that all help in understanding the true nature of what went on. Kudos xx

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios 10 місяців тому +40

    I've built enough planes in KSP to understand that whole balancing situation. Even so far that moving fuel back and forth to keep pitch neutral mid-flight, Concorde style.

    • @plektosgaming
      @plektosgaming 10 місяців тому +5

      The 2nd version of the program is.. I'll leave it there. But the original was based on hard enough science underneath that NASA used it for certain parts of their training. And it is rather surprising at how easily changing the center of gravity or thrust by tiny amounts can make a stable design turn into a miracle to keep in the air.

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 10 місяців тому +1

      @@plektosgaming is it that bad

    • @tenseven1398
      @tenseven1398 10 місяців тому +6

      Same here, but with another game called SimplePlanes. It took me some time but I eventually understood the delicate balance between the centre of mass and centre of lift. I've built many planes that i have tried to make many planes with low static stability and found they are incredibly difficult to fly without any kind of limiter. I cannot imagine what it must have been for the pilots on board this flight, feeling over-correction after over-correction while battling the G-Forces

    • @alegsb3943
      @alegsb3943 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Blox117it’s in early access, and it is getting a lot better. All they really have to fix now is slight optimization and wobbly joints

  • @boxerfortyfour1153
    @boxerfortyfour1153 10 місяців тому +10

    After an admirable long line of great airliners Douglas went off the rails with their 3 engine planes.

    • @nikoscosmos
      @nikoscosmos 10 місяців тому

      Why do you think that was?

    • @jakem7838
      @jakem7838 9 місяців тому

      A company named McDonnell merged with them.

  • @margaretWestminster
    @margaretWestminster 10 місяців тому +1

    I love the information you tell. Everything about flying and planes are so interesting. Thank you

  • @FoamCrusher
    @FoamCrusher 10 місяців тому +44

    Among hobbyists who fly remote control airplanes there is a saying, “nose heavy planes fly poorly and tail heavy plane once”. The engineers should have kept this in mind 😞

    • @AerynGaming
      @AerynGaming 10 місяців тому +1

      This is probably a case of weak but still positive passive stability (drag and mass closely balanced). More stability means more resistance to control forces as positive stability will push the plane towards 0 degree AoA or fight against control inputs that would create an AoA. Because the pilots no longer have to fight against those forces, the plane has an extreme and unusual amount of control authority. You might expect pulling back the yoke with a certain amount of force to edge you up to a 5 degree AoA, but it actually pulls up quickly to 20 and then you have lost control.
      Such a plane is probably difficult to fly without proper care, calm, pilot assistance and training - especially if the responsiveness of the flight controls vary greatly in different conditions or phases of flight.
      Instability or tail heavy would usually mean something else - that those passive forces are instead trying to maneuver the plane into flying backwards. As the center of drag moves behind the center of mass, the direction of the passive stability forces literally flips around and acts in the opposite direction which can be a much greater problem. I doubt that any passenger aircraft would be designed this way (Millitary jets use these aerodynamics intentionally for greater control authority, but they're a rough ride and take pilot controls as more of a suggestion than a command in order to maintain control of the aircraft).

    • @quentagonthornton49
      @quentagonthornton49 10 місяців тому +2

      The problem is more of the fact that MD utilized a mechanical manual flight control system in a neutrally stable aircraft design without requiring pilots to go through more extensive training to manually fly the aircraft. Any aircraft with neutral or even negative aerodynamic stability should (and in the latter case, must, if you don't intend on the first flight being the last) use a fly by wire system that controls the control surfaces based on both sensor and pilot inputs instead of a mechanical system in which the pilot directly controls the control surfaces as the flight control computers can allow for stabilizing flight from an upset without allowing the pilot to inadvertently maneuver excessively and/or exceed the safe flight envelope.

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 18 днів тому

      ​@@quentagonthornton49 airliners shouldn't have negative stability at all because maneuverability isn't a priority and safety is

  • @anthonyC214
    @anthonyC214 10 місяців тому +4

    I was going from NY to Texas on a hot August day years ago. Over the Tennessee Valley ,we hit I think was wind sheer. The plane dropped about 10,000 feet , went back up, banked to the left, dropped again ,went back up and banked to the right. The flight attendants had just started to serve lunch and the food and drink went flying. All the attendants hit the deck and one young attendant was at my feet hanging onto the seat floor anchor. I could see the white of the white of the knuckles on her hand.
    You could hear a pin drop but out of the back of the plane a passenger yelled "ride them cowboy". Everyone started to laugh.

    • @justinhamilton8647
      @justinhamilton8647 10 місяців тому

      yeah and then everyone clapped

    • @anthonyC214
      @anthonyC214 10 місяців тому +1

      @@justinhamilton8647 no we are all too busy wiping the food and drink from our faces. The cabin was a mess . I did get a dry cleaning voucher for my suit and shirt from Delta.

    • @RockandRollWoman
      @RockandRollWoman 10 місяців тому

      Earthquake behavior is like this. The tension is high, and laughter results when someone makes a crack like that. There's usually a Karen who gets huffy about it.🙄

  • @kstricl
    @kstricl 10 місяців тому +13

    I had the privilege of being bumped up to first class in an MD-11 back in 1998. I was in awe at how fast the ground speed reading was, so close to mach 1 by my recollection. I've never had such a smooth flight as that one.

    • @WaterCrane
      @WaterCrane 10 місяців тому

      Were you bumped up because of the G-forces?

    • @nishyanthkumar
      @nishyanthkumar 10 місяців тому

      "bumped up" as in "upgraded" to first class

    • @studuerson2548
      @studuerson2548 8 місяців тому

      That ground speed reading reflected the effect of wind on your craft, and it sounds like you were flying with the jet stream. Rest assured that is different than mach, since mach is the measure of your speed in a medium v. the speed of sound in that medium...and you weren't traveling thru the dirt. Luckily.

  • @mikegousie7633
    @mikegousie7633 10 місяців тому

    One of your best yet! Keep up the good work!

  • @m.streicher8286
    @m.streicher8286 10 місяців тому +7

    KSP taught me everything you said in the first 6-7 minutes. Cool considering it's not even primarily about planes.

  • @goblinboner
    @goblinboner 10 місяців тому +6

    Every time I see a new Mentour Pilot video I get giddy. Absolutely love every video, and as a nervous flier, it soothes me knowing that there are people like you not only flying the plane, but also in your role as instructor, teaching newer pilots to be better. I also know a polish pilot that flies for LOT (embraer) who says he watches every video of yours because there's always lessons to be had, and to me, that speaks volumes of the content your provide.

  • @michaelmitchell9612
    @michaelmitchell9612 10 місяців тому +1

    Only MentourPilot could produce this detailed informative and interesting video. Thanks to the crew!

  • @kavanamanjunath2285
    @kavanamanjunath2285 27 днів тому

    Your content is so accessible (especially to someone like me who is not a pilot, not an engineer or in no other way connected to aviation at all), your narration is on point and I can only imagine the work that goes into every video you make because its such a high quality production. Extra kudos for never sensationalizing any of these stories!

  • @cinnamoon1455
    @cinnamoon1455 10 місяців тому +26

    I think my scariest flight was a short hop from Helsinki to Tallinn in a teensy plane. The pilots tried to land when a sideways gust of wind swept the plane away from the landing strip. We were pretty close to landing but luckily they managed a go around and managed to land on the 2nd or 3rd attempt.

  • @DJRainbowDash
    @DJRainbowDash 10 місяців тому +27

    Fascinating video as always. My takeaway from this is how, even though it appears the pilots made a few minor mistakes in their reactions, they did relatively well to recover the aircraft when the pitch oscillation was at its worst. I could easily see this story having turned into a loss-of-aircraft scenario, and while two deaths is tragic, it's certainly not 255 deaths. The story is a good example of why it's always a good idea to wear your seatbelt when seated, even if the seatbelt light is off at the time.

    • @plektosgaming
      @plektosgaming 10 місяців тому +3

      It is good that training now covers this, but a little time in most PC flight sims or video games will tell you exactly how a plane behaves at high speeds not too far from its maximum flight ceiling. So it does seem like a bit of an oversight for sure. But it also points to the problem of the companies and manufacturers in always trying to squeeze the maximum range and speed out of designs rather than focusing on stability and reliability. You want the center of gravity (just play around with Kerbal Space Proigram a bit) very much near the center of the wings because it's super easy to get sideways otherwise.

    • @cr10001
      @cr10001 10 місяців тому +1

      @@plektosgaming I have the impression that McDD tended to prioritise economics over safety rather more than other manufacturers. Cargo door latches for example.

  • @NRSOGK
    @NRSOGK 10 місяців тому +1

    That was fascinating - thank you so much!

  • @tullochmacdonald4245
    @tullochmacdonald4245 10 місяців тому +2

    I really like your channel. You provide enough technical information to explain the problem that was encountered on the flight but not so much that your "fans" would need a degree in aviation. You also explain what the pilots either are doing or should be doing when the problem(s) happen. You're also fair in discussing what went wrong and if anyone or anything was at fault. Please keep these videos coming. Thank you.

  • @jamessquires7015
    @jamessquires7015 10 місяців тому +78

    The MD-11 is a very pretty aircraft, Nicer proportions than a DC-10 in my opinion.

    • @GabelhelmSogarbraten
      @GabelhelmSogarbraten 10 місяців тому +12

      The differences tend to narrow our over the vehicles service life
      Once they crash the piles are basically indistinguishable from one another

    • @wozja
      @wozja 10 місяців тому +6

      Such a gorgeous plane and design

    • @muhammadabdullah03
      @muhammadabdullah03 10 місяців тому +2

      @@wozja for me , the Boeing 777 wins and its better than the MD11 /DC 10 .
      - alongside the Airbus A350 ( Winner).
      My 2 favourite Aircrafts.

    • @wozja
      @wozja 10 місяців тому +1

      @@muhammadabdullah03 the 777 is the best looker currently on and in production for sure. It could rival the mighty MD. But the A350 ? Common dude thing is just a boring extension of looking at a A321

    • @muhammadabdullah03
      @muhammadabdullah03 10 місяців тому +1

      @@wozja Noted !

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 10 місяців тому +5

    It’s amazing how well you explain things with the wonderful graphics. I learn so much from your channel, great work❤

  • @florakija
    @florakija 10 місяців тому

    So well made! I couldnt look one second away! Thanks for the great videos

  • @disgruntled_llama
    @disgruntled_llama 6 місяців тому +1

    I would like to compliment the team at this channel on the great production quality of these videos. I love the use of the flight simulator software and graphics overlays to really give us a feeling of the plane and how things work. I also like the little touches, like the Mentour Pilot animation on the passenger cabin in-flight movie screen :) It doesn't go un-noticed.

  • @bryanerickson5854
    @bryanerickson5854 10 місяців тому +7

    You talk a lot about how our heads must be spinning! I absolutely LOVE the level of detail you go into explaining principles like pitch and center of gravity! Almost want more of that level of detail in some of your videos. Love the work you do, keep it up!

    • @Vincent_Sullivan
      @Vincent_Sullivan 10 місяців тому

      I heartily agree!

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 10 місяців тому

      I guess over the last year or so he’s done a good job of pounding flight physics into my head and making it stick because not only was I familiar with most of it, but at the “your head might be spinning” segment I vaguely thought. “No, I’m following what you’re saying just fine.” I have used other sources but most of the basics started here with Mentour Pilot.

  • @Damonpuss
    @Damonpuss 10 місяців тому +12

    Not a pilot, but I just love watching these videos... they're consistently fascinating and intriguing and expertly thorough.

  • @rinrat6754
    @rinrat6754 10 місяців тому

    Very impressive technical explanations. The animations are clear and effective, and the info makes the incident much more understandable.