The owner has torched the Crooked House and piled loads of earth on the access road to stop the fire engines getting to it, and then got it demolished the next day so it can't be saved. I hope the police charge them for arson and make them pay to rebuild it. If they can't afford to rebuild it make them bankrupt and take the land from them and then build something for the public.
@@laurencedavey3121 I'm not a lawyer, but I believe it would be as you can't guarantee the fire wont spread to other buildings. Also, they didn't have permission to knock the building down. It will be interesting to know if they had insurance and want to claim on it as the insurance company would argue against any pay out. The fact that they had organised a contractor to be there straight after it had burned down is very odd. I hire digger drivers and it normally takes weeks if not months to get someone.
@@laurencedavey3121EPCs and cost of updating to comply with new commercial ‘ green’ banding, The insurance payout will have been more than cost to upgrade,
there was something there for the public it was a pub simply fact is use it or lose it as it was put up for sale as a going concern back in march as it was no longer financially viable for the brewery to keep it open due to no one drinking in there but everyone crawls out of the wood work now its gone an starts crying about it yet i bet none of them were drinking in there before its closure
@oldmanonamission8055 so within 2 months of new owners taken over its set on fire then 2 days later without any planning primmision they pull it down without waiting for investigations or damage control 100% the new owners now they will be fined and told to rebuild brick by brick to original
@@edinburghandbeyond could be someone else wanted and didn't get it. It could be a number of things and reasons. So, you buy a house, and two days later I burn it down and you get the blame because of the time you owned it? You have got the brains of a rocking horse.
Exactly… it didnt fall down by itself even if was gutted by the fire… and taking it down before the fire investigation is done is extremely suspicious… i am sure the fire department would have advised them there was to he an investigation and like any possible crime scene, everyone knows it should be left alone until all evidence is collected and permission is given to go back to the site.
We had the same in my town, a very old farm had planning permission to turn it into apartments but it wasn't lucrative enough, then strangely it caught fire and had to be pulled down , now there is a small housing estate there that brought more money in, very dodgy.
How extremely laughable ‘“I cannot go down there” get over it it’s not the death of a human being or even an animal. It’s the destruction of a building that was falling apart and it’s not fit for purpose. Come on folk wake up let’s get real, thank you for your understanding.
Same exact thing happened where I used to live, a listed bungalow with a thatched roof was bought, a few weeks later it burned down, a block of flats was then built because there can't be a listed building blocking planning permission if its burnt down.
Happened recently in Stoke too, a 600 year old pub burnt to the ground, called the leopard, the new owner?... A diverse person with a not so diverse property portfolio, he specialises in converting buildings in to flats
@@jamesjameson4566 I presume the difficulty is proving beyond reasonable doubt it was arson, which is why I guess this is a go to option for property developers.
@@jonjones6583just wondering are you from the area? yes you are correct it's not a human being or animal but it was a historic building which held a lot of fond memories for the people in the area and the way it's been dealt with is totally wrong so people are upset
I’m not local and I’d not heard of this building until today, but it even brings a tear to my eye. Seeing a local historical landmark destroyed like that is incredibly sad. I truly hope the police get to the bottom of this, because it’s really not on. So sorry for all of the locals for whom this pub was a part of their life. First pub I ever worked in is now a McDonalds :( Sending love to Amanda, she must be so upset ❤
There are no doubt fishy smells over the immediate fire after sale, and the almost instantaneous demolition, giving access to the landfill company next door and the fact that fire engines couldn't get in because rubble was placed in the lane. But the fact remains that if half of the people protesting outside now had popped in for a drink on a regular basis, the pub wouldn't have shut in the first place.
Very suss this is looking. I'd be looking at who bought it and any building application that's been proposed. Sometimes one will get corrupt councillors.
This happened to a remote country pub near me in Kent. The new owner burnt it down and built a new villa style bungalow on it. He got away with it but everyone new what happened.
The new owners need to be investigated, fire totally destroys the building and is demolished before any evidence can be found. This must be illegal. Then again lots of things are illegal these days and the police can’t be bothered to get involved.
Viable pubs are not sold in the first place. Pubs are viable when they are supported by the local community, and localLocals had stopped visiting this pub many years ago, use it or lose it
Pubs are about community. And when that community decides they don’t want to support their local pub, that pub stops being viable. The locals are to blame for this not being a pub anymore. Use it or lose it.
I had a couple of nights there in 1991, great pub, thought I was drunk when I got there, my mate said nothing about the place before we went, we just walked in LOL I will always remember my evenings there RIP
The owners want the land for something else. Hopefully they will be charged for their crime. Although, I doubt anything is going to happen to them, because we have become a weak and gutless society.
@@laurencedavey3121 There could be several. Torching the pub for one. Even if it's your own property you can't just set fire to it. Obstructing the public highway. Demolishing the shell of the building without authorisation. The demolition happened so quickly that the council should ask for the contract with the demolition company.
I have looked into this and the people who have the site behind reportedly rented the machinery to knock it down a day before the fire. The pub was sold to his wife which is underhanded. They should be forced to rebuild it at any cost.
here in birmingham whenever pub land is required for other projects the next thing the pub goes up in smoke ,you watch a building project come along next ,it stinks
That's such dreadful news. I only ever went there once, some 48 years ago, and it was such a fantastic pub and building that I never forgot it. A horrible thing to happen. :(
There are lots of people telling their stories of how they visited this pub once many many years ago. There are not many people explaining how they visited several times a week up till it shut. Locals need to support their local pub. Use it or lose it.
@@rekzk7711If she didn't live locally then there's nothing so unusual about only visiting once is there? She'd definitely remember it as I do after my only visit there 50 years ago (not being from the Black Country either).
I live in guernsey but most of my family are from Dudley. Although I only visited that pub once about 20 years ago when I was a child I still remember it fondly and have told many friends about the place. It's a shame to see it gone.
Im surprised that the new owners had English names. Usually these cases of newly bought pubs mysteriously combusting tend to be bought by new arrivals. It is a pretty common thing in a low of cities.
By surprised you mean disappointed? Disappointed you can't use this opportunity to be a sad little racist? I follow the news religiously and pubs being burnt down like this is extremely rare. You talk as if there was an epidemic of pubs burning down and foreigners were to blame. The fact that you can vote and affect all of us is terribly unfair.
Out local pub was set on fire because the owners couldn't get planning for knocking it down and building houses. It turned out to be 2 school boys that were paid by the owner to burn it down on a Saturday night. Nothing was ever proved though and the pub is still there, burnt-out and terrible looking.
I'm from Wolverhampton and now living in Seattle. I've been there and really sad and shocked what happened to it. I would have bought a brick to bring it back to life.
@@Macron87You're missing the point. Whether or not it would have remained as a pub is anyone's guess, the building was of historical and cultural significance to the area and should have been untouchable. The nasty greedy creatures who did this have evidently no understanding of history and how much it meant to people. It's been there for centuries ffs and due to some greedy half wit it's now gone forever. Only anti English traitors would do this.
Seems most people like me are thinking new owners but proof is needed. I wonder when and what the planning permission will be for as I expect there to be a planning permission request.
I find it extremely frustrating seeing all these comments about local people being devastated about their local pub being knocked down! Everytime i visted,it was dead!! Maybe if the local people loved it so much they should have maybe popped in more often and it never would of been sold in the first place!
There must be a trail, most people don't have a big digger in their back garden, so who hired it, who drove it? let's start going into proper investigative mode, (the police could maybe stop waving rainbow flags for a few days) and prove the buyers were to blame. Then make an example of them.
Start a Crowd Fund - or whatever the latest trick is - and buy the site, buy the bricks and BUILD IT BACK. The property developers who bought the pub need to be investigated..and dealt with.
@@mikepxg6406 Maybe, but wasn't this really near the epicenter of the Great Dudley Quake of '02? I'm sure some people would happily buy a house on top of the old mines, I wouldn't.
The problem is that legally speaking there's no real way to prove who did it unless very obvious evidence was left. In the event that someone wanted to set a building ablaze so they could use the land to develop, they could just pay some scroats to do it for them and it wouldn't be traced back to them unless said scroats were traced and coughed up. I've never heard of that happening. There's no evidence either way at the moment though so assuming it's the developer is not going to change anything. It also could be just a coincidence.
It was definitely unique. Question is: Why wasn’t ‘The Crooked House’ pub given listed-building* status? It’s strange that when an interesting or unique property is sold, something mysterious happens to it within hours or days after it is has been sold to a greedy property developer/owner. * pun unindented.
This used to happen in Colchester with the listed buildings. There would be a rave in them when they were empty and then they used to mysteriously burn down . The council never used to do anything about it. These were buildings over 35o years old left to decay as the owners were not forced to keep them in good condition the council just didn't make them
I’m not sure on this, but if the new owners are claiming the insurance on this, don’t the insurance company have to view it before they are allowed to demolish it. I don’t know if they will pay out if there has been no official cause of the fire.
The site should still be given listed building status and the authorities should prevent any delelopment of the site fot the next twentyfive years, that would teach them.
We have a pub in St Neots Cambs like this , the owner cant get his way so hasnt touched it in over ten years claiming poverty but owns 200 plus pubs across the country and our local council have done absolutely sweet F A .
@justdaniel8764 Basically people submit a proposal for a derelict building and planning gets refused so just set it alight and council gets an envelope and they say please make this eyesore it to whatever you like.
@justdaniel8764 we had a tyre fire at a go cart track on Manchester Road in bradford and the land owner who also owns car enterprise on Manchester Road is laughing at the land occupier... car company, loads of used tyres and expensive to dispose of so made a deal with the tenants ha
They need to be ordered to rebuild the place, every brick, spar and beam. to the way it looked last year. This was bloody obviously an insurance/planning job.
Local government officials let this happen, it used to bring in a quarter of a billion pounds into the area, tourism was the main earner, jail time is called for.
That was so deliberate, knocking it down rather than waiting for crowd funding to pay to rebuilt it. Am I right in thinking the people who own the adjacent land have already made moves to purchase the site? If so hmmmmm🤨🧐
My Dad's first paper, one my my first pint's. They should put in prison. Local culture ruined. Good on the E&S for a great local news story! Shame on why it had to be.
As much as the pub needs to be rebuilt, No one should be crowd funding this, the new owners should be fined massively and ordered to rebuild it, exactly how it was before the fire and subsequent disgraceful demolition.
Obscene activity...let's see what is unfolding....then start to follow the chain in this story backwards..there is a chain...to examine how and who brought us to this situation...it happens numerous times....but on those occasions it was not personal...a beating heart in a world wide community...'just a pub' .....No it's not just any old pub....its the Black Country's Heritage Personified....I think most people have an opinion as to what has transpired...let's pause to gather our thoughts and then seek a suitable Black Country response. ... I'm sure the brewers will be most helpful in assisting their customers enquiries and any outraged shareholders who.decide this is not how supportive their customers should have been treated... fair & square?
Who gave permission to demolish this iconic pub? Why didn’t the actual guys/girls who actually demolished it say anything? This is just disgraceful what’s happened to such a historical landmark!! The owners should be made to take responsibility immediately…..hope they also get an HUGE FINE!!! People like this who have no respect for our heritage should not own these buildings….it’s heartbreaking 💔
Such a shame for the Midlands. But where were all these people when the pub needed them? Where were they when they needed sales to keep it alive? It got sold for a reason, too late to think like this now
The owners of ATE farms will be excited about a nice insurance payout... and plotting some cheap flats or houses on that patch ... sad to see historic landmarks removed. but hey its going to pay for someones nice new holiday/house and cars...
This happens all the time in Widnes ,building becomes empty then derelict then a mysterious fire then a block of flats or whatever after insurance payout ,.coincidence or what??.
The people who carried out this criminal act need to held accountable and face charges. It's clearly been deliberately demolished so the land can be used for monetary gain.
Ecclesiastes 12:4 “And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;” King James Version (KJV) crappy music/employment/grind is low!
So what’s the problem? Did arsonists do this or did the owners do it? If the owners did it then what’s the issue it’s THEIR property. If arsonists did this then fair point. But yeah. If the pub wasn’t in use and the owners didn’t want it why’s everyone upset about it?
Everybody knows what happened, just hope they don’t get away with it. If they do it demonstrates the scumbags can just get a lawyer to get them off anything, it’s just not on.
Weird how this is news and how much concern people are showing. There are far bigger issues to spend time, energy and money on! I appreciate some people are bothered but Brunel's original 18th centruy house is getting turned into flats near us, but none cares how many memories people had!
The owner has torched the Crooked House and piled loads of earth on the access road to stop the fire engines getting to it, and then got it demolished the next day so it can't be saved. I hope the police charge them for arson and make them pay to rebuild it. If they can't afford to rebuild it make them bankrupt and take the land from them and then build something for the public.
And that is probably the truth .it's for financial gain 😕
Why would it be arson to burn your own building down? That would be like self murder.
@@laurencedavey3121 I'm not a lawyer, but I believe it would be as you can't guarantee the fire wont spread to other buildings. Also, they didn't have permission to knock the building down. It will be interesting to know if they had insurance and want to claim on it as the insurance company would argue against any pay out. The fact that they had organised a contractor to be there straight after it had burned down is very odd. I hire digger drivers and it normally takes weeks if not months to get someone.
@@laurencedavey3121EPCs and cost of updating to comply with new commercial ‘ green’ banding, The insurance payout will have been more than cost to upgrade,
there was something there for the public it was a pub simply fact is use it or lose it as it was put up for sale as a going concern back in march as it was no longer financially viable for the brewery to keep it open due to no one drinking in there but everyone crawls out of the wood work now its gone an starts crying about it yet i bet none of them were drinking in there before its closure
Council or government should suspend all environmental licences to the waste site next door.
Disgusting what the owners have done I hope they pay for million's to rebuild it.
How do you know the owners did it? Where is your evidence?
Good job you ain't no judge, jury, or executioner, or are you all three?
@oldmanonamission8055 so within 2 months of new owners taken over its set on fire then 2 days later without any planning primmision they pull it down without waiting for investigations or damage control 100% the new owners now they will be fined and told to rebuild brick by brick to original
@@edinburghandbeyond could be someone else wanted and didn't get it. It could be a number of things and reasons. So, you buy a house, and two days later I burn it down and you get the blame because of the time you owned it? You have got the brains of a rocking horse.
Exactly… it didnt fall down by itself even if was gutted by the fire… and taking it down before the fire investigation is done is extremely suspicious… i am sure the fire department would have advised them there was to he an investigation and like any possible crime scene, everyone knows it should be left alone until all evidence is collected and permission is given to go back to the site.
We had the same in my town, a very old farm had planning permission to turn it into apartments but it wasn't lucrative enough, then strangely it caught fire and had to be pulled down , now there is a small housing estate there that brought more money in, very dodgy.
Obvious who did it and why. Vile people.
How extremely laughable ‘“I cannot go down there” get over it it’s not the death of a human being or even an animal. It’s the destruction of a building that was falling apart and it’s not fit for purpose. Come on folk wake up let’s get real, thank you for your understanding.
Same exact thing happened where I used to live, a listed bungalow with a thatched roof was bought, a few weeks later it burned down, a block of flats was then built because there can't be a listed building blocking planning permission if its burnt down.
Happened recently in Stoke too, a 600 year old pub burnt to the ground, called the leopard, the new owner?... A diverse person with a not so diverse property portfolio, he specialises in converting buildings in to flats
@@jamesjameson4566 I presume the difficulty is proving beyond reasonable doubt it was arson, which is why I guess this is a go to option for property developers.
@@jonjones6583just wondering are you from the area? yes you are correct it's not a human being or animal but it was a historic building which held a lot of fond memories for the people in the area and the way it's been dealt with is totally wrong so people are upset
I’m not local and I’d not heard of this building until today, but it even brings a tear to my eye. Seeing a local historical landmark destroyed like that is incredibly sad.
I truly hope the police get to the bottom of this, because it’s really not on.
So sorry for all of the locals for whom this pub was a part of their life.
First pub I ever worked in is now a McDonalds :( Sending love to Amanda, she must be so upset ❤
Asian property developers.
There are no doubt fishy smells over the immediate fire after sale, and the almost instantaneous demolition, giving access to the landfill company next door and the fact that fire engines couldn't get in because rubble was placed in the lane. But the fact remains that if half of the people protesting outside now had popped in for a drink on a regular basis, the pub wouldn't have shut in the first place.
exactly.
yeah the fuckers done it at my local in willenhall. Nobody went and it was full on its final day. scumbags
100% spot on!! It's no good crying now...wouldn't be in this position now if all these people moaning had actually used it and helped it survive 😢
Yep.
Very suss this is looking. I'd be looking at who bought it and any building application that's been proposed. Sometimes one will get corrupt councillors.
This happened to a remote country pub near me in Kent. The new owner burnt it down and built a new villa style bungalow on it. He got away with it but everyone new what happened.
Was he a local.? Just wondering!
@@barbaratg5230Fuking hell 😂😂😂
Was that nr sutton valance?
Yeah, it happened here too. The owners bragged about getting it burned down in our local pub 😢
@@brandonc7566what’s wrong with that question?
The new owners need to be investigated, fire totally destroys the building and is demolished before any evidence can be found. This must be illegal. Then again lots of things are illegal these days and the police can’t be bothered to get involved.
He should be checked for mean Tweets, that will make the police come running.
Bloody hell, seeing your life's work go like that, good luck from Ireland (save the Pub)
Viable pubs are not sold in the first place. Pubs are viable when they are supported by the local community, and localLocals had stopped visiting this pub many years ago, use it or lose it
If there is one uniting factor across the islands its that we all love the pubs
That was a building of significant history, should have been on a protected list!
These curupt barstools must be made to rebuild our beautiful heritage, regardless of cost to them.
She's served me every visit I visited twice a year heartbroken is an understatement.
A regular then? rofl
@@jackthelad612 well obvs not! I live no where near it to be that. 🤦♂️😅
Pubs are so much more than bricks and mortar.
Pubs are about community. And when that community decides they don’t want to support their local pub, that pub stops being viable. The locals are to blame for this not being a pub anymore. Use it or lose it.
I had a couple of nights there in 1991, great pub, thought I was drunk when I got there, my mate said nothing about the place before we went, we just walked in LOL
I will always remember my evenings there RIP
Let's hope that crime doesn't pay
Unfortunately we all know crime pays very well and the police only go after easy targets.
The owners want the land for something else. Hopefully they will be charged for their crime. Although, I doubt anything is going to happen to them, because we have become a weak and gutless society.
Too true
What crime?
Hills borough, Glenfell fire hundreds killed .. no one ever goes to jail. We need a workers party in NOT Tory or labour.
@@laurencedavey3121 There could be several. Torching the pub for one. Even if it's your own property you can't just set fire to it. Obstructing the public highway. Demolishing the shell of the building without authorisation. The demolition happened so quickly that the council should ask for the contract with the demolition company.
I have looked into this and the people who have the site behind reportedly rented the machinery to knock it down a day before the fire. The pub was sold to his wife which is underhanded. They should be forced to rebuild it at any cost.
Insurance claim, cause of fire unknown, evidence destroyed. Someone will be guilty.
I doubt they’ll be taken to court over this… I believe he has the wrong name to be nicked in this shit hole of a country!
So much more! Asbestos dump...trips to dubai...
Not true. It's being treated as arson so we do know the cause of it.
I keep seeing this same brain dead comment. You cannot demolish your own building then make an insurance claim.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 thank you for calling me “brain dead”. Classy. Let’s see.
I hope they rebuild it the same as how it was. Saw a video of how it looked outside and inside. Looked awesome
It was , you felt drink before you get to the bar 😆 lovely pub and nice people . They should be made rebuild it brick by brick . So sad 😢😢😢
Then we can all go back to not visiting it again
@@localtortoiseyour spot on mate! Didn't use it when it was there but want it back now it's gone!!
"People all over the world have been here man" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
here in birmingham whenever pub land is required for other projects the next thing the pub goes up in smoke ,you watch a building project come along next ,it stinks
That's such dreadful news. I only ever went there once, some 48 years ago, and it was such a fantastic pub and building that I never forgot it. A horrible thing to happen. :(
its so good that you only went there once.
There are lots of people telling their stories of how they visited this pub once many many years ago. There are not many people explaining how they visited several times a week up till it shut. Locals need to support their local pub. Use it or lose it.
@@Macron87 This is true and something to remember to do in our own locations. :)
@@rekzk7711If she didn't live locally then there's nothing so unusual about only visiting once is there? She'd definitely remember it as I do after my only visit there 50 years ago (not being from the Black Country either).
I live in guernsey but most of my family are from Dudley. Although I only visited that pub once about 20 years ago when I was a child I still remember it fondly and have told many friends about the place. It's a shame to see it gone.
This story is oh so familiar about our old buildings.😢
Im surprised that the new owners had English names. Usually these cases of newly bought pubs mysteriously combusting tend to be bought by new arrivals. It is a pretty common thing in a low of cities.
Do you wake up and decide to be such a nasty prick?
By surprised you mean disappointed? Disappointed you can't use this opportunity to be a sad little racist?
I follow the news religiously and pubs being burnt down like this is extremely rare. You talk as if there was an epidemic of pubs burning down and foreigners were to blame. The fact that you can vote and affect all of us is terribly unfair.
Crooked end to Crooked House?
OMG I was always in the Crooked House when I lived in the Midlands, so many great memories, cant belive its gone.
Out local pub was set on fire because the owners couldn't get planning for knocking it down and building houses. It turned out to be 2 school boys that were paid by the owner to burn it down on a Saturday night. Nothing was ever proved though and the pub is still there, burnt-out and terrible looking.
I'm from Wolverhampton and now living in Seattle. I've been there and really sad and shocked what happened to it. I would have bought a brick to bring it back to life.
Do you still have friends and family in Wolverhampton and the surrounding area? How often were they visiting this pub?
@@Macron87You're missing the point. Whether or not it would have remained as a pub is anyone's guess, the building was of historical and cultural significance to the area and should have been untouchable. The nasty greedy creatures who did this have evidently no understanding of history and how much it meant to people. It's been there for centuries ffs and due to some greedy half wit it's now gone forever. Only anti English traitors would do this.
Seems most people like me are thinking new owners but proof is needed. I wonder when and what the planning permission will be for as I expect there to be a planning permission request.
I find it extremely frustrating seeing all these comments about local people being devastated about their local pub being knocked down! Everytime i visted,it was dead!! Maybe if the local people loved it so much they should have maybe popped in more often and it never would of been sold in the first place!
There must be a trail, most people don't have a big digger in their back garden, so who hired it, who drove it? let's start going into proper investigative mode, (the police could maybe stop waving rainbow flags for a few days) and prove the buyers were to blame. Then make an example of them.
I mean I hadn't been since I was a kid but it is sad it's gone..
Whoever owns the land burned it down, get them investigated. Arson a week after listing application applied for. House building application incoming.
Throw the book at The owner definitely a illegal act! Of destroying a historic building thoughts go out to Everyone who loved the Pub!
Start a Crowd Fund - or whatever the latest trick is - and buy the site, buy the bricks and BUILD IT BACK. The property developers who bought the pub need to be investigated..and dealt with.
Fed up of hearing about this ..Think most of the UK is to ..
Agreed ....lets move on
to some footy news
Insurance fraud, common nowadays, burn it down get new permission for residential and start earning cash!
That's what I thought at first, but who in their right mind would buy a house on land that was noted for subsiding?
@@Potts1966 subsidence has stopped now.
This is not insurance fraud. They knocked the building down before the insurance company had a chance to see it. There will be no payout.
@@mikepxg6406 Maybe, but wasn't this really near the epicenter of the Great Dudley Quake of '02? I'm sure some people would happily buy a house on top of the old mines, I wouldn't.
I think it was set fire to and demolished out of spite and to hide evidence. I hope the perpertrators are charged and are forced to rebuild it.
Very true it was demolished to hide the deliberate arson attack
The problem is that legally speaking there's no real way to prove who did it unless very obvious evidence was left. In the event that someone wanted to set a building ablaze so they could use the land to develop, they could just pay some scroats to do it for them and it wouldn't be traced back to them unless said scroats were traced and coughed up. I've never heard of that happening. There's no evidence either way at the moment though so assuming it's the developer is not going to change anything. It also could be just a coincidence.
@@avae5343 yeah but they won't need it now surely
@@avae5343 ooh that would be brilliant if so
It was definitely unique. Question is: Why wasn’t ‘The Crooked House’ pub given listed-building* status?
It’s strange that when an interesting or unique property is sold, something mysterious happens to it within hours or days after it is has been sold to a greedy property developer/owner.
* pun unindented.
This used to happen in Colchester with the listed buildings. There would be a rave in them when they were empty and then they used to mysteriously burn down . The council never used to do anything about it. These were buildings over 35o years old left to decay as the owners were not forced to keep them in good condition the council just didn't make them
00:45 I feel the same about my childhood home.
I’m not sure on this, but if the new owners are claiming the insurance on this, don’t the insurance company have to view it before they are allowed to demolish it. I don’t know if they will pay out if there has been no official cause of the fire.
Appears that there may be some sort of corruption involved with this wilful unnecessary destruction of a unique property.
Upsetting... So sorry to watch this 🙏
sowing the seeds...tears for fears..❤️🌍
The site should still be given listed building status and the authorities should prevent any delelopment of the site fot the next twentyfive years, that would teach them.
It was CLIMATE CHANGE AND BREXIT ,That did this
We have a pub in St Neots Cambs like this , the owner cant get his way so hasnt touched it in over ten years claiming poverty but owns 200 plus pubs across the country and our local council have done absolutely sweet F A .
Force them to rebuild it brick by brick like the Carlton Tavern was in 2021.
Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission me thinks
Council should refuse all planning permission
This trait is big in Bradford.
Blackburn, Bolton, Burnley, Nelson, Colne its wide spread in East lancs also
@justdaniel8764 Basically people submit a proposal for a derelict building and planning gets refused so just set it alight and council gets an envelope and they say please make this eyesore it to whatever you like.
@@MrSmithBFD Yep a very well used tactic.
@justdaniel8764 what's funny about this case is that they owns a landfill on the same land Ha its like committing murder and owning a mortuary.
@justdaniel8764 we had a tyre fire at a go cart track on Manchester Road in bradford and the land owner who also owns car enterprise on Manchester Road is laughing at the land occupier... car company, loads of used tyres and expensive to dispose of so made a deal with the tenants ha
This is such an obvious case of Fraud and I hope the new owners are held accountable and punished for what they have done.
Wonder how many new houses they have planned for building on this now available site ?
The company that purchased it is ATE Farms owned by a Mr Carly Taylor 34 a director of multiple company's. I'll post more info as I get it.
absolutely disgusted it stinks of corruption someone should be in jail for this iconic backcountry pub lost forever a disgrace
It’s really bad what happened !
It should be rebuilt as an heritage community local pub period.
So sad!
Developers are ready to move in... it’s a crooked world and sadly they get away with it...
They need to be ordered to rebuild the place, every brick, spar and beam. to the way it looked last year.
This was bloody obviously an insurance/planning job.
Local government officials let this happen, it used to bring in a quarter of a billion pounds into the area, tourism was the main earner, jail time is called for.
The locals who didn’t support the Pub … use it or lose it that’s why so many Pubs have gone
That was so deliberate, knocking it down rather than waiting for crowd funding to pay to rebuilt it. Am I right in thinking the people who own the adjacent land have already made moves to purchase the site? If so hmmmmm🤨🧐
My Dad's first paper, one my my first pint's. They should put in prison. Local culture ruined. Good on the E&S for a great local news story! Shame on why it had to be.
No phones/public amenities/pubs closing/clubs/stores/banks/promoting unatural filthy behaviour-END OF THIS ERA-DYSTOPIAN FUTURE-is what ''they'' want!
Absolutely disgusting demolition. The current owners need to be prosecuted and made to rebuild it.
It should be rebuilt like the bridge at Mostar was.
Can't believe they knocked that down tbh
As much as the pub needs to be rebuilt, No one should be crowd funding this, the new owners should be fined massively and ordered to rebuild it, exactly how it was before the fire and subsequent disgraceful demolition.
Outrageously suspicious, the new owners must be involved
Shame going to miss that pub good times really hope thay rebuild it won't be the same but better then nothing
Obscene activity...let's see what is unfolding....then start to follow the chain in this story backwards..there is a chain...to examine how and who brought us to this situation...it happens numerous times....but on those occasions it was not personal...a beating heart in a world wide community...'just a pub' .....No it's not just any old pub....its the Black Country's Heritage Personified....I think most people have an opinion as to what has transpired...let's pause to gather our thoughts and then seek a suitable Black Country response. ... I'm sure the brewers will be most helpful in assisting their customers enquiries and any outraged shareholders who.decide this is not how supportive their customers should have been treated... fair & square?
all going as planned; buy burn demolish build a dozen yuppie houses, sell repeat
Who ever is responsible needs to be locked up
Who gave permission to demolish this iconic pub? Why didn’t the actual guys/girls who actually demolished it say anything? This is just disgraceful what’s happened to such a historical landmark!! The owners should be made to take responsibility immediately…..hope they also get an HUGE FINE!!! People like this who have no respect for our heritage should not own these buildings….it’s heartbreaking 💔
They'll re-sell the land and it'll become another mosque for the locals to appreciate.
It’s set to become a landfill
Don't be stupid they did it for the access road to the landfill site.
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Shame bigger issues in society don't have this amount of airtime.
This situation is very suspicious.
Gutted about a pub but nobody is gutted about the goverment commiting treason! ARREST ALL MP'S
Such a shame for the Midlands. But where were all these people when the pub needed them? Where were they when they needed sales to keep it alive? It got sold for a reason, too late to think like this now
Make them rebuild it brick by brick
The owners of ATE farms will be excited about a nice insurance payout... and plotting some cheap flats or houses on that patch ... sad to see historic landmarks removed. but hey its going to pay for someones nice new holiday/house and cars...
Crooked New Owners Need to be Investigated for Criminal behavior
This happens all the time in Widnes ,building becomes empty then derelict then a mysterious fire then a block of flats or whatever after insurance payout ,.coincidence or what??.
The people who carried out this criminal act need to held accountable and face charges. It's clearly been deliberately demolished so the land can be used for monetary gain.
I drank in that pub when I worked in Birmingham wotta experience .. money talks corrupt councils 😢
It was a listed building, wasn't it? If that's the case it is an offence to knock it down.
Only thing to do if it doesn't get rebuilt is to NOT terrorise the new development.... :)
Ecclesiastes 12:4
“And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;”
King James Version (KJV) crappy music/employment/grind is low!
the owners should go to jail arson,criminal damage, tampering with evidence ,obstruction of the highway the list goes on
Follow the money and you’ll find the culprits. Usually greedy councillors somewhere
Insurance Claim....I think!!!
They wont pay now arson suspected.
You think wrong. They knocked the house down.
I'd have the police checking the finances of the new owner for proceeds of crime.
Blatantly the owner that did it.
That’s criminal.
So what’s the problem? Did arsonists do this or did the owners do it? If the owners did it then what’s the issue it’s THEIR property. If arsonists did this then fair point.
But yeah. If the pub wasn’t in use and the owners didn’t want it why’s everyone upset about it?
Confiscate the land and don't allow the new owner to build anything except the replacement crooked house.
Everybody knows what happened, just hope they don’t get away with it. If they do it demonstrates the scumbags can just get a lawyer to get them off anything, it’s just not on.
Weird how this is news and how much concern people are showing. There are far bigger issues to spend time, energy and money on! I appreciate some people are bothered but Brunel's original 18th centruy house is getting turned into flats near us, but none cares how many memories people had!
Some crooks burnt the crooked pub down 😂😂😂