Crooked House demolition
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The destruction of The Crooked House has been deemed a wrongful demolition.
South Staffordshire Council has said the total destruction of iconic pub, after it was gutted by fire over the weekend, was not lawful and that investigations into the cause of the blaze will continue.
The comment comes amid public outcry, with videos of the pub off Himley Road, between Himley and Dudley, being knocked down, and photos of the resulting rubble being shared widely on social media.
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Funny how the road was blocked with dirt and rubble the day of the fire so the fire crews couldn't reach it in time. This was blatant arson on the orders of the owner.
Where did it happen?
@@cassandramartin8108 where did it happen? Well the pub decided to take a walk down the a449 and burnt down somewhere near warstones 🙄
Careful your comments are slanderous.
And that could well be blatant defamation - possibly as costly as rebuilding the pub.
@@allygilmour6182👈 Why is a little troll 💩 getting* involved in this subject..🤷♂️🤦♂️😂😂
The new owners have to now realise that they are to blame in the court of public opinion. People are pissed. This won’t be forgotten.
Their only cause is money and they don't care. They will care, however, when they are forced to rebuild it at great cost. Let's hope that happens.
They may well be in a court of legal opinion after tearing that pub down!
I hope they _are_ made to rebuild it. This happened with the Carlton Tavern in London and was massively helped by a few local lawyers and celebrities ensuring that the initial anger didn’t dissipate. Facebook groups are all very well but it’s probably more productive to write to the local MP, Mayor and councillors, equating the case with corruption and reminding them that elections are quite near.
Similarly, if the authorities think there has been illegal activity, they should prosecute.
I suspect the owners weren’t expecting so much fuss and hope it will soon quieten down. Its our job not to let that happen
…And I also hope the police secure the site before the remains of the building are mysteriously removed 🤔
until at least next Wednesday
council needs to put a preservation order on the site to stop any new development for the next 100 years.
Being a Bristolian living in London I have no particular affinity with The West Midlands but this is beyond appalling.It has to be one of the most soul destroying things I've seen.
I really hope there is a precedent here. A couple of years ago in London, Maida Vale I think, a similar thing happened when housing developers knocked down a beautiful Victorian pub before all legal permissions were granted etc.
The borough , possibly City of Westminster , can't remember for sure which borough, but they were ordered to completely rebuild the entire pub brick by brick costing them millions. Let's hope for a similar outcome here.
And send the culprit to prison. Make an example out of him.
The Carlton Tavern, Maida Vale.
I sincerely hope the owners get their just desserts and quickly realise that getting rid of a Black Country Heritage Site was a colossal mistake. Quite rightly people will be angry about this vandalism. Let's hope that Council make them rebuild the Crooked House.
I was shocked, saddened and felt sick to the stomach when I saw what had happened to this treasured building and those responsible should be held accountable for what they did but sadly it is no use rebuilding the pub for it will not be the same for the pub as we knew it has gone and all the character and history that it once had but the authorities should have given the pub listed status years ago so it could have been well protected but it is heartbreaking what has happened to this pub.
I hope everyone involved in this vandalism go to Jail,and make them rebuild it brick by brick
well its happened before...and yes they rebuilt the pub at their own expense.
the sheer arrogance of the owners is mind-blowing. Do they really think there will be no consequences for their actions?
So 2 weeks ago, new owners exchange contracts with a view of change if use, last week officials put in an application for listed status to protect the building then suddenly its burnt down and clearly done to a point of removing evidence, 2 days later it was quickly pulled down, not even in a planned and controlled way, just ripped down and left even though council did not agree on a demo. It's all sus. Council need to block any planning for other uses and force owners to rebuild. 100% this was insurance job....
This is bigger than insurance. You'd have thought the insurance company would want to investigate to avoid a payout.
Any building over 200 years old automatically has listed status. This building was already Grade II listed. It will cost a lot of money for the owner to rebuild it. Which is good.
From the MD to the operator of the digger, everyone has to be held accountable. I live 50 miles away and to me this was the same as going to another national treasure, we all know what happened in the last couple of weeks with planning permission ,blocked access for vehicles, a fire and then an unplanned demolition, prosecute, prosecute and strip of all assets until a full and complete rebuild using remaining materials is completed.
@@grindelston5968 they don't care about the insurance, just wait for the local authority to grant permission to build half a dozen homes on the site...
Apparently the new owners have been told to re built the building brick by brick 🧱 or no new planing applications will be accepted
100% deliberate act of arson I reckon. Lanes blocked so that fire crews had difficulty getting there and then demolishing the remains before the fire investigation could take place. I hope the owners go to prison.
The owners need to be held accountable and need a long as prison term. Can't do this to such a historical building.
@@DenisEvans-gw4wx it's a listed building legally they are not allowed to do what they've done
Don't you need planning permission to demolish a building.??
@@DenisEvans-gw4wx i thought it was, turned out it was meant to be turned into a listed building a week after the fire started.
@@DenisEvans-gw4wxI always thought it was a grade 2 listed building
The owners should be made to rebuild it as was.
I agree rebuild the pub
@@juliehot679 absolutely..they defo need to rebuild it
Current owners need to be heavily fined and property confiscated. They should also be made to re- build the property.
Demolished over access dispute with neighbouring landfill site owned by Himley Environmental Ltd. The new buyer of the Crooked House was ATE Farms Ltd, owned by Carly Taylor. ATE Farms is registered to the same address as Himley Environmental Ltd.
Damn, that is worse than my guess at another souless, modern crap excuse for a home or flats. Since there is a mine tunnel beneath it what are the odds of such a landfill also using the tunnel.and possibly contaminating the water supply? Genuine question as I am not in anyway an expert on such a matter.
So you don't think the buyers of this property had any intention of living in a crooked house
Waste disposal... bent as a nine bob note... and probably completely oblivious to the way that this has blown up. Let's see how it plays out.
Did they even have time to do an investigation?
Is this going to be a strange case of the owners paying the insurance company (to look the other way)? And just get it ripped down before anyone questions it.
And Carly Taylor is married to a former director of Himley Environmental. The whole thing stinks worse than the landfill site!
OMG, Nothing is sacred! 😳🙄😖 The local Mayor was right to say that this needs to be rebuilt brick by brick, like for like.
do you think Mayor didn't know what was planned and happening? Of course he did, he just said it because that's what people wanted to hear.
This is what corruption looks like.
Council gave no permission for complete demolition apparently. Whoever knocked it down is in trouble. People are saying this was an insurance job, or the owner is covering something up by knocking the pub down so quick. If your eyes are open, you will notice that isn't a piece of machinery intended for that job, and there's nobody around in a hi-viz vest. Make of that what you will.
What i heard is that they planned to build flats on the site but as there was a listed status pending which would have prevented that they ripped it down. Allegedly.
Yes I agree…this should be used as evidence against them!
most demo jobs have water sprayers at work to keep down the dust ,you are right ,it seems a get it down as quick as poss ,type of job
The plant was ordered from local plant hire firm without operator before fire, just been reading about it
Clearest case of arson ever.
If they knew they were going to burn it down and this is so obviously an act of arson and sheer vandalism. It could have been dismantled and moved to the Black Country museum.
Wouldn't have been viable the Museum doesn't have enough money and it Wouldn't have been the same moving it from where it became Crooked to a Museum 4 Miles away
Look like a bunch of cowboys ripping it down
The word you're looking for is "pikeys"
Just doing their job,they haven't anything to do with the politics regarding this.
Wasnt even carried out by a proper Demolition operator, that was a rushed bodgit job.... get it down to hide the evidence of what hey have done to it....... proper demolition company would have carefully pulled the front wall out, cleared the cellars as best they could, then tapped the remaining walls into the cellars, and stacked the front wall and anything remaining back on the top, in a neat pile with minimum dust, also would have had that metal frame neatly cut up and stacked with a grab..... you can tell by the way the machine operator was going at it it was rush rush rush non stop whack whack whack till it was gone.... makes you mad!! hopefully the council will enforce a brick by brick rebuild of the building... i however cannot see it.
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No asbestos risk assessment in place possible contamination for miles & miles
This was all part of the plan, block access, set it on fire & then quickly bulldoze it asap. I hope they don’t get away with this at all.
The police, insurance company and the local council need to be getting involved at 0900 tomorrow morning.
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So three corrupt organisations need to get involved.....that should sort it 😊😊
Well that isn't shady is it ? Rushing to flatten the place to hide their crime.
Furious! Have never been anywhere near there but whoever ordered the illegal demolition should be made to pay to have it rebuilt
Every single person involved in the destruction of this pub needs to be in jail for a very long time.
Looks like an insurance job to me.. they didn’t waist any time pulling it down
No. To have planning to build something else they can monetise.
It looks like Crooked politicians in House of parliament and banks are about to go down. 🎉🎉🎉 Enjoy world wide reality show. World is changing big time
Watching that digger driver working he had bèen told to just flatten the place regardless of salvage or health and safety. 😢
Deliberate needless arrogant destruction... makes you wonder if the fire was an accident
Come out from the Police that it was Arson they had an Accelerant sniffer dog on the scene
@@lorddarlo6194 - indeed... land dispute, so buy the building, set fire to in less than a week (having blocked access to fire brigade first), then demolish it before anyone can stop them... I think the authorities and police will know who to arrest already. Insurers will not pay out. The vandals should be forced to rebuild it.
If this wasn't all set up I'll eat my hat !!!
When was this demolition company hired to pull it down? Prior to the fire I'd guess!
...and why weren't the Police protecting the site, given that they were 'investigating'??
That don't look like a demolition company to me, 3 youths and a digger, no PPE, no skips, no hard hats.... Dodgy AF
@@alexblower- And as for risk assessments? The Health and Safety exec should prosecute if no one else does. There could have been asbestos in that building…
@@SAHBfan I'd say it was extremely likely given the age of the building.
Hope that this video can be used as evidence of this clear crime.
The whole thing stinks of a developer that knew when they purchased the site, knowing that they would never or be never able to re-develop the site. they have blatantly bought the site, set it on fire and then torn it down in fast action in hope that they can then get permission to re-develop. It has all happened so fast as to avoid any further protection orders that may increase costs!
A similar thing happened to a historic pub called hardy’s well in Manchester earlier this year… no legal action appears to be taking place and they’re unsurprisingly now putting up apartments in its place…
Fucking outrageous. All that history gone forever.
You can see from this video they are in a rush to get this building down, the guy running around has no PPE on, no hi-vis so don't appear to be a demolition contractor. The two in this video, plus anyone who is found guilty for arson, planning, blocking the access should all get hefty jail time. Although rebuilding sounds good, the building will never ever be the same or have the same feel.
This disgusting act of destruction on our British heritage must stop, these people must be made to rebuild our wonderful crooked house at whatever cost, it will then set a precedent to stop these acts happening again! Bring them to justice!
It's meaning, Crooked politicians in House of parliament and banks are about to go down.
Absolute disgrace
Dodgy AF! The council should not let the land be used for anything else (or has someone taken a bung) and the owners made to rebuild. If it's suspected arson then it's a crime scene. I wonder why they were so quick in tearing it down! Hopefully they'll be some nice jail time for a few. What are West Midlands Police going to do?
Well, unless the owner makes a Twitter post criticising trannys, probably fuck all
It is Arson ay WMP it is Staffordshire Policr
You need planning permission to knock that down
That's the U.K. right there.
The Longbridge pub in Longbridge, the Cock Inn in Rubery, The Greyhound in Bromsgrove and now Crooked House to name a few. Seems to be a real issue with closed public houses to suddenly burn down. Common way to beat planning restrictions it seems. Or just random coincidence, yea right.
Same thing with the Leopard in Burslem being set on fire now left to rot so cant save any of it . Its so wrong they get away with it prison for all of them
And then 48hrs later the Anchor in Brownhills in 2022 Google Streetview shows a viable pub 2023 smashed up. Also the Brook in Woodsetton has Planning applications for flats apparently unviable still open and also let's not forget the Bagot Arms
Look at the antics of the 3 hobos in the video, they know full well what they are doing.
It seems like a series of offences have been committed here. But what the betting, the police manage to make nothing stick?
I would pay good money to watch the developer and his machine go up in smoke!
Just doing his job mate, how did you think they'd demolish it?
Palms have been greased and people have been paid. The dodgy owner will get away Scott-free.
HSE probably also needs to look at this
@@DenisEvans-gw4wx bloke running around a live demolition site in civvies
@@DenisEvans-gw4wx-at a video of a dangerous demolition- no PPE, dangerous work practices, no risk assessment, no asbestos assessment.
This is like tearing the heart and soul of the pub so sad i hope they rebuild brick by brick it stood for so long.
Council should make them rebuild it as it was. I'm a really shit bricklayer, so I'm the man for the job.
Watching this actually make me physically sick 🤬🤮, Too much of this going on these days, how can people be so heartless, I just wish they would stop and appreciate all the hard work and time skill and effort the real men put in back in the day, probably for very little more than their keep, never mind any money, that actually built these fantastic buildings that have stood such a long test of time, 😢 they built these places and maintained them with the benefit of future generations in mind, I just can’t compute what would make any normal man think this is an acceptable way to go about life, sickening is what it is, 😢
They are no demolition crew. They look more like school kids. No hard hats, no water to supress dust, no fencing to seal the site. HSE would have a field day with this bunch of ner do wells.
They only do all that for a major demo job.
Most small outfits are like this.
He did seem to want to get it down in a hurry though and I agree this is defo corrupt as fk
Do as you likey...
Yes I totally agree with you, just doesn’t look right the machine isn’t even a demolition sepc and the way they are going about it 🤔
They worked faster than a bunch of Travellers on a bank holiday weekend
Absolute criminal what happened. We all know the truth why it burned and now another piece of British History, Culture, Architecture and Tradition gone forever.
So sad to see , i spent a fantastic evening in that pub , i hope there's justice ⚖️ 🙏 ✌️💯
I'm sure the Health and Safety Executive would be very interested in talking to them about their idea of a safe demolition site.
So very sad …how has this historical building been treated in this way…it should have been protected…what happened to it is criminal! And beyond belief!
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Insurance job 10000000000000000000%
Isn't it amazing how fast they organised that, almost like they expected it to burn down...
I do hope their insurance doesn't pay up, because of destroyed evidence. Although I doubt they care after they get planning permission to put half a dozen homes on the site.
Don't think the council will grant them permission.
fire was definitely intentional and this was there plan all along! they need to be ordered to build it like for like.. they cant get away with this!
The company doing the demolition needs to be sued the cost of the rebuild
I recall that when a historic building was gutted by fire in my own village in the 50s, this a rectory, the owner at the time - let's say 'occupier' - said to everyone that the whole thing would be restored. It never was. A bungalow replaced it which became the offices of a firm that moved onto the site which were an industrial supplies contractor. Some restoration.
It burn down Saturday got this on Monday well think it was monday can't see any dates seem to me people wanted to build house or flats on land bit fast ait weird poor pub i used to go when i was kid
Me to it's shame
looks like the new owners are just as crooked as the house
Cannot wait till the council force the new owners find out they have to rebuild it.
Sad end for this building. 😔
I bet the locals will force him to rebuild it at his own expense
@@truth.speaker how? Give him hammer and bricks?
@@evgeniam685 through the courts
@@truth.speaker the thing is council and mayor aware of it and allowed it to happen. When such things happening, it's allowed from the top.
Find out who's driving the excavator and get them in court. Demolishing it without the right paperwork.
Do you need some paper to demolish smth? Anything can be written. People seems like attached to bureaucracy. And love it. English Crooked house which means house of parliament is going down. It's good sign. Too many crooked people are there
Funny how they are not wearing hard hats ,high viz, or even work boots,and when did you ever see workers running on a site.
It's symbolic way that Crooked house of parliament is going down. World is stage
I hope they all end up in jail for this.
That was fucking quick, huh?
They REALLY wanted rid of this house for some reason...
There is a UAP under it hence why it was a strange building
Why didnt they give it to some Museum to take down and rebuild.
And what museum is going to pay for that? And if you rebuild it, why are you going to rebuild it pre-knackered? Because it certainly wasn't built like that to start with. So if you rebuild it , what's the point? You've just got a new build with zero character.
The whole thing is a fuckup and completely dodgy. I hope people remember this and keep an eye on what appears next on the site.
Hope it was worth it. Corrupt bastards.
Palms have been greased and people have been paid. The dodgy owner will get away Scott-free. That's modern Britain in a nutshell. The new owner is the owner of the landfill site next door and the landfill has council waste disposal contracts and the council are the people responsible to any possible prosecutions relating to planning permissions. BINGO the circle of corruption is complete.
So blatent a crime, I hope the council throws the book at them
absolutely boils my piss
Unbelievable
Isn't that a crime scene after being torched, they just conveniently destroyed any evidence.
Covering up evidence?
100% they are mate.
I hope people don't forget this, keep an eye on it.
I'm glad someone took this video.
Why are the council and the police not there to stop this the new owners have no planing to demolish the building and where are the fire investigates
Because there's higher powers above it. It's sign that Crooked politicians in House of parliament and Crooked banks are about to down. UK hidden shadows documentary
I hope the Police and Fire brigade will prosecute who ever demolished the pub for destruction of a potential crime seen 👍🏻
TWA*S - Same thing has happened up here and it's sort of like 'Well, we'll just wait a bit until it's all blown over' - Someone must have paid for the machinery and the wages for the operator to demolish it.
The council should make a compulsory purchase for £1 and rebuild it and the owner done for arson and fraud. Anything they build there should be burnt to the ground.
Is the owner of this property following a recent trend that occurred in the Walsall area over the last few years?
What Arson and demolishing Or Pubs closing and being turned to flats
Company directors need to be named and shamed.
Plus a ban
I'll be at the demonstration
On Friday
Lock them up and throw away the key! How dare they destroy Britains heritage!
It probably wasn't insured! The new owners just wanted to repurpous the land.
If the buyers want to play silly games like that then if I was a local all I would do is set fire to the new development, two can play that game!
What legit demo company has men with no hard hats and no high viz running into working area? None, deffo demolished underhand too.
I always thought it was a listed building, sad to see it go let's hope they don't build housing for illegals
REBUILD THE PUB
According to the daily mail it was bought by carly and adam taylor- who own the landfill site next to the crooked house. There is a similar digger on that landfill site. Put 2 and 2 together and you get.......
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It’s a very sad situation on all accounts, especially for people who loved that pub and has been a part of their life, especially for the locals and as for the owners I can only say it’s blatantly obvious. This is an inside job just to benefit their own pockets even more,And you would think what the media has shown us already they would have enough money,to me that is greed. I truly hope there is a big investigation into this and they are prosecuted. However my heart goes out to the black country people as I said, it’s a very sad situation what has happened here. 😢
Why didn't someone call the Police & tell them what was happening
I grew up in Wolverhampton and remember going here as a kid, it's part of national heritage, not just a Black Country landmark. Built in 1765.
Similar ''accidents'' were pretty common in Wolverhampton, some before my time, like the Victorian Arcade off Victoria street which was burnt down before the Mander Centre was built; the old Hippodrome; and when I was a kid the old theatre next to the old Lloyds Bank building on Queen Square, now a new Lloyds Bank building
Another one that was demolished illegally was Monkspath Hall (a grade 2 listed building), Shirley near Solihull in 1980
"Get it down as quickly as possible, that way they can't do nuffink can they? Ha ha ha" you can just hear the new owners.
Blooody sad. Remember inside and the beauty of the outdoors.
Serious breaches of Fire, planning, and HSE (Demolition) Regulations, all of which carry a potential custodial sentence. Now who's going to jail ??? -
Answer NO ONE - because the council doesn't have the nerve.
But they've got the envelope 😏😏
How stupid the new owners must be to think they will get away with arson and demolition. I hope they pay dearly and receive prison time and ordered to rebuild it brick by brick!
If a building is listed then burn it down, someone done it to a old house near me and stuck flats on it
The bulldozer has earned his Thirty pieces of silver
They doin this quick? Surely for insurance reasons this shouldn’t be allowed yet building ain’t even gone cold! Whole thing was planned!
How many health and safety breaches are in that video ! This is criminal damage and needs a full investigation not a half hearted report by the council.
It should be rebuilt by a third party chosen by the council, using the original bricks after being cleaned and the cost passed onto the new owners.
Make them build it back brick by brick. Make an example of them. Far to much of this goes on. Disgraceful.
Those workers are not dressed for demolition work, it looks like a cowboy operation.
Disgraceful vandalism all in the name of profit.
Bloody appalling