It's time to reclaim religion | Sharon Brous
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- At a moment when the world seems to be spinning out of control, religion might feel irrelevant -- or like part of the problem. But Rabbi Sharon Brous believes we can reinvent religion to meet the needs of modern life. In this impassioned talk, Brous shares four principles of a revitalized religious practice and offers faith of all kinds as a hopeful counter-narrative to the numbing realities of violence, extremism and pessimism.
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A 16 minute video uploaded 5 minutes ago has about 100 votes and 75% of them are dislikes. Jesus, people. Learn to listen before judging.
So the dislikes are the problem? It's okay to judge without listening as long as you judged it positively?
People were liking the video before they watched the whole thing....
Why aren't you bitching about them???
David S. >people saying religion only leads to prejudice and superficial judgment
>dislike video without even watching
ok.
I judged the title. "It's time to reclaim religion"... NO!... Religion has done enough, thank you. It's time for it be forgotten
David S. I don't have to listen to dislike it or else I also have to listen to climate change deniers, perpetuum mobile engineers, astrologists, homeopaths and fascists!
There are a lot of negatives in these comments and there are a lot of people who only heard what they project and not what the Rabbi said, this too is obvious from the comments. She did not talk about GOD. She talked about human beings coming together to acclaim their worth and value and their power to work in the world - this world. Open your ears and pay attention. Those of you who brought god into this discussion are not paying attention except to your own negativity.
I agree, Leland. I was so touched by how they dedicated to take the responsibility to make a difference in the world.
Regardless of talking about a higher being or not. I am and always have been agnostic. I'm a decent person, not perfect, but I have and understand morals and know right from wrong, none of that is attributed to religion.
In this day and age we don't need religion, and in my opinion we don't need to reclaim something that can be used for evil acts.
People need hope and dreams, I get that, but there's ways of achieving that without making up stories about a higher being creating us and everything around us to provide them. Maybe you see it as negative to want to abolish organised religion, but I see it as a step forward, and a necessary one at that to unite all humans as one
Philip I appreciate that I don't know everything about those scriptures, and I'm not saying burn all the religious documents from around the world. But what we do need to do is stop using them as a basis on how to live our lives, we're advanced enough as a species to be able to create our own moral codes. We already have, and they come in the form of laws, which can be changed and updated. religious texts however, don't get changed. I'm not saying they're bad, we shouldn't be using texts that were written 100's of years ago as guide lines to live in modern times.
I admit I don't know everything about each and every religion, and I don't have an answer for the future. I do however understand that we're never going to progress if we carry on with outdated traditions and teachings
Rather, the problem is she is remaining in the divide of existing religions, It doesn't solve the problem. Humanity has to go beyond religion and replace is with values we can all agree on.
Thomas Pijnenburg It's easy to be good and kind and calm when you agree with everyone. A true mark of maturity is being good to people when you don't agree with people. Humans don't need to agree with everyone, we need to respect and be kind to everyone
Lets make this the most disliked video since the last COD trailer.
+Royce Heath exactly what I was thinking as well
Royce Heath so stupid
You're a child, you probably shouldnt be subscribed to TED.
Royce Heath haha
why though? Im an atheist and I hate religion but it is not going anywhere. why not try to better it and leave it in the hands of responsible people?
Its time to abandon religion.
PartisanGamer yeh, its obviously all fake, there is no modern proof its real
There's no not modern proof either.
here! here!
Abandon religion. Got my vote!
abdok - Reductio ad Hitlerum, really ?
People already disliking a video they haven't watched.
People already *liking* a video they haven't watched.
Because its time to cut religion loose, not take ownership of it.
to be fair, the description alone sells it
if ted posted a video that said "let's bring homophobia back into our community" and it detailed in the description how going against homosexuality could further the nation, then is there even a reason to watch the entirety of the video? i'm legitimately asking, because alone the statements provided there warrants a dislike in my opinion
Here's a TLDW: Radicalism is a problem. A routine life is a problem. Religion can solves this. Then she goes on to talk about solutions which don't need religion.
Connor Mortlock
Do you have to watch a full video to understand its meaning?
The video is 16 minutes long.
3 minutes has passed since it was uploaded.
People are disliking, where are the likes?
Arabia Gamers probably because of the title
Arabia Gamers Second anyone sees the word "Religion" people down vote it to oblivion.
Likes and Dislike no longer represent the quality of the video but reaction to the content.
In this case the more dislike the better, aka the Rebecca Black Effect
Arabia Gamers likes for reclaiming believing in complete nonsense based on faith?
Hitler killed all the people that would've had grandchildren that would've liked it before watching it. Because he had "God mit unst"
This comment thread is one of the worst I've ever seen...
I'm not religious, but this was a good and an important talk. Everyone who preaches tolerance and peace should be applauded.
Religion poisons everything -Christopher Hitchens
LETS BAN YOU
Even Hitchens found that Secular Judaism seemed to "transcend" religion with its rejection of Supernatural claims.
If all religions contain only 2 basic facts, 1 good, 1 bad, and we remove the bad, what basis do you have for removing it once it only contains Good?
Nacasius Hitchens said it "seemed" to do that but does it really? If all religions contain something bad, removing it would not make it a religion anymore. Religion by it's definition is a bad idea and you shouldn't try to make it look good by messing with it's definition.
I think Hitchens would agree with that.
"Christopher Hitchens is an idiot" -me
1234 5678 because he is so desesperate to sell his books that he often lies. www.salon.com/2013/06/23/christopher_hitchens_lies_do_atheism_no_favors/
philebersole.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/an-atheist-critique-of-christopher-hitchens/comment-page-1/
So we need religion to fight religion? Nah fam.
you have a better idea ? yep no
1234 5678 You think it was a religious war
To fight religion, extremism, and terrorism we need to educate against dogmatism. The counter to dogmatic thinking is critical thinking, skepticism, and reason.
This has been attempted before. It only ends in more bloodshed.
Religions come from a period of human pre-history when nobody had the slightest idea what was going on. we don't need it. We need to get rid of it.
Dustin 3423 I'm not religious, but to say you have the slightest idea of what's going on, you'd be lying
You can safely assume that you have created "God' in your own image when it turns out that god hates all the same people and things that you do.
so what? i have no idea whats going on therefore jesus?
Or you can just let it be. You owe a lot to Christianity if you like liberal western culture.
it's more like you owe a lot to non believers of religion.
TED........embarrassing. Truly embarrassing. Your brand is diluting daily.
Player 0001 right. She has a strong opinion about something which she has no evidence for. Religion and irrationality is how we got here and her silliness is supporting that as she herself says (watch the video). Let's try rationality instead. The modern world is the product of rationality. If religion disappeared, we would be better off. If science disappeared god help us (ironically).
Player 0001 I will totally grant that her position seems like it is reasonable and not aggressive. The problem is that her fundamentalist basis is baseless. So it is fundamentally a misdirection and useless? Yes of course it is. Let's say you are lost in a desert and you stumble across someone and they say go that way for salvation. You could go that way or say, "Why?" They say, "because I have a book that says you should." And any rational person would obviously respond, "What are you smoking?" Come on. That is pathetic. That is what you are asking people to accept.
That's funny, because you seem to be an expert on their brand, which is to promote ideas, something for which you do not seem to care.
All respect to this obviously intelligent woman, but isn't it time we move on from dogma all together?
Lets try to build a new foundation on our shared humanity instead. Food, music, art and love and so on.
Lets look to the future and what we can become instead of being stuck in the past.
Serah Wint Essentially, Religion, she argues, is where the root of all that creative foundation and moral value derives from. In a transcendential age where people drift farther from the notion of community, further into a world of "chaos", and ultimately deepen int existential territory, the more people will seek spiritual outlets to seek more than the everyday. Spirituality is still a key fundamental of human nature, however to wield it as a device undermines its true purpose and creates stigma all around.
Serah Wint.... humanism
I wouldn't call it Spiritualism. It might mean that to people of faith, but I think its a sense of meaning. Sometimes profound and some more mundane. Thing is, that is not unique to religions or faith.
We are moving on wards as cultures and learning new things. And we need to revise what we seek meaning in to sidestep the baggage of our past.
That said, I am not advocating for just dropping every tradition we have. Lets be sensible.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not salty about it. Don't read it like that. I also agree with your very last point where spirituality used as a device undermines blablabla
Creative foundation and moral value have nothing to do with religion though.
Religion can surely be an inspiration for e.g. a good painting, the same way brutal atrocities can be, but it is not the foundation of our ability to be creative. And this is not up to discussion, science discovered and is discovering more in detail where creativity comes from. Hint: genetic code and brain, like everything else.
And moral value is a simple social set of values brought on and agreed on by communities using their brain so as to arrive to a civilized standard where, to make a simple and general example, an action such as stealing is considered bad in the long-term because it brings pain to multiple people.
Your second paragraph was pretty much a long list of assumptions that I consider simply inaccurate (transcendental age, chaos, drifting away from community etc.), and I can't be bothered discussing why, therefore the rest of it is just your very own personal, and arguably wrong, opinion.
Atrocious Nightmare Thank you for your input, and to be agree, creativity does not derive from faith indeed. However, for some people the heart of their culture is grounded in religion; food and.music is no exception, look at American Soul music. It is an infusion of both R&B and Gospel, and those roots are not forsaken even when someone says "good riddance" about gospel because they're still appreciatong something that has an origin in a spiritual foundation.
As for moral values, true as that is, back when the New Testament arose, the Greek lifestyle was VERY different from what is now conceived as Western life. Greeks treated slaves horribly and engaged in very heinous sexual crimes (not talking about homophobia, trust me), and this only began to turn around after the coming of Christ and the message of the gospel. So while moral values are indeed set by society, principles deemed moral from a worldly perspective are not always in everyone's best interest. In fact, because of the New Testament, the way a slave was viewed changed rather drastically, far better than how the Greeks treated slaves.
If you need the promise of heaven to be a decent person you are inherently flawed.
Adi thanks
Promise of heaven, as offered through religion, is not intended to make desperate and miserable people decent but manageable so they can endure, serve and slave better.
Marko Kraguljac If I'm remembering correctly Nietzsche wrote about that - religion convincing people that it was okay to live their life in mediocrity due to the promise of the next one being better.
atheists don't believe in definitive statements. so you may not exist nor even have spoken.
just a random collection of mutated cells with no purpose and reason.... mad 👍
> "atheists don't believe in definitive statements."
*scratches head*
TED wtf are you doing
Right on the first, worng on the second.
CIRCUMCISE ABORTIONS
Confirmed, Dan pope supports murder of babies.
False, yep, yes I do. Preferably on pay-per-view.
Disgusting.
Religion's still a thing?
Pretty sure it is. "Unaffiliated" (including unaffiliated spiritualists, agnostics, and atheists) makes up about 16% of the global ideological landscape. "No affiliation" is rising over the decades but it still ranks behind Christianity and Islam-and those are only two umbrellas out of many. There was a recent Pew Research Center study where 84% of the global population identify with a religion, and other studies show similarly.
Yurriaan Van Duyn it is, unfornately
yes and atheism is even decreasing
cheekfun i don't wanna stop it but it is in decline (in % of global population) : www.cnsnews.com/news/article/global-study-atheists-decline-only-18-world-population-2020
Huh, interesting stats; thanks. Looking into this further, it appears that the unaffiliated "Nones" mentioned by me above are primarily in the West. Evidently, minority Western "Nones" are on the rise while the religious population is (more substantially) booming outside of the West, causing the global percentage of religious people to ultimately exponentially increase-and the percentage of Nones to thus exponentially decrease-by 2025. news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/
I see Religion in the title, I thumb down immediately.
I listen to the talk, I put a like.
PuzzleMessage because believing in multiple incompatible nonsense based on their excuse word faith ....will help us make people around the world less violent?
Marcos C what are you doing, do you think you're funny? ._. because that's not funny.
yes religion has been proven to help peoples achives moral standarts
_What do we want?_ Evidence-based science.
_When do we want it?_ After peer review.
Hey, I saw that kid's sign on reddit too...
I agree, memoryhero. I would add that if it's not considered "Empirical Science," (and what {really!} is so perfectly elegant?)
PEER REVIEW IS ONLY VALID IF it's independently and ubiquitously reviewed in a quantitatively repetitive and overtly redundant analysis.
This is a continuously ongoing and unending process that should include all available angles of approach...
Anything that falls short of that is "kid's stuff..." and some of us just don't play that game any more...
And what is it based on?
humans need a code of living i.e. Laws and follow in this era without the involvement of supernatural
I don't believe in extremism and stuff...
Muslims blaming jews and all others
Jews and others blaming muslims and so on...
No this will not bring peace and harmony
You need a supernatural entity to create the universe.
You are saying that as if it is a fact, which it is not...
humanism
Meta Self.....u need Zeus to explain lightning
*encourage the belief of things without evidence*. i would just let religion die.
Edit: to prove how Swiss i am i have neither liked nor disliked the video.
im not banning anything, i say let it die [insert Aloysius O'Hare Meme]
They would argue there is much evidence, at least for God.
Meta Self no
***** Here's 20:
www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/20_arguments-gods-existence.htm
+Meta Self not in the slightest. God is a primitive concept. Humans are not intellectually evolved enough to know what a god could be. It'd be more likely that your "God" is a life form or essence that is intellectually more advanced than us, but that would still be living, therefore not a god. If aliens came down right now there would be a portion of the population that would worship them as gods, that's how primitive the ideal of god is.
The biggest problem with religion is people forcing others to accept their idea of whats right. Don't tell an atheist he's immoral and don't tell a theist he's wrong. Keep opinions to yourselves!
I'm not sure if your being a troll or not but I believe that a human being should choose if wants to be circumcised or not at a later age, say 12. Abortions on the other hand is more complicated because people's ideas of when a fetus is "human" will differ from person to person. I am a pro choice man myself but i do see why people believe in pro life.
he´s a troll/spamer
Keep opinions to yourself? You mean that we should all just create an Echo Chamber. The problem is that theism forces you to become illogical due to its reliance on faith. Do not keep to yourself, but instead discuss without fighting, and if that is not possible, then fundamentally the topic of discussion is flawed. No growth has ever been achieved on a theory, or opinion that has never been challenged, and you should be ashamed for suggesting that ignoring our problems will fix them.
meh screw that roast each other if any other attempt at conversation fail
This sentiment is perhaps more dangerous than religious ideologies themselves. We must not remain silent in the face of human ignorance or ethical impurities. We have an obligation to debate and stand up for our beliefs, thus society decides what is right and evolves naturally. Speak your opinions loud and clear!
No. Let's not make the world religious again. That's where all these problems started.
"It's time to reclaim religion!" - yeah, take all those ancient figments of human imagination when man thought Earth was the center of the universe, which science simply ignores due to them having no serious basis or scientific validity, and MAKE THEM YOUR OWN! But please do not exclude Easter Bunny from your mumbojumbo, as at least he answers prayers.
YES ! it is ! stop asking for feminism and BLM, there is more prejudice against religion than racism and sexism
Crimson Corsair, people have rights, ideologies don't.
more prejudice against religion? You know there has never been an openly atheist president. Atheism is simply an electoral disadvantage for most politicians. Religious belief is and has always been considered a desirable trait.
Have to say, I like what she had to say and rather disheartened by the responses below. Religion encompasses so many systems of belief and it's so incredibly overly simplistic and careless to generalize and dismiss them all. It is true many bad things have occurred in the name of religion, but many religions have made great strides to furthering good while the less savoury ones die out. Without religion, we wouldn't have many of the charities, hospitals, laws or America. That's not to say all religions are helpful, but before we throw the baby out with the bath water, we should take a better look at what each religion actually teaches and not how it is portrayed in the media or the internet.
it's time to discard religion.
North Korea, Mao's China, & Stalin's Russia were ahead of you. That didn't go so well.
geoffrobinson I see you're not up on your logical fallacies. Carry on.
"Atheism doesn’t kill people, Fanaticism kills people, be that religious or political.
The attempt to put a lack of belief as the basis that
some fanatical psychopaths committed truly hideous crimes is an fallacy, the root cause was their Psychopathy."
It's time to discard bigotry. You are the reason why theists would feel the need to "reclaim" their religion- because of people demonizing it.
Jaqueline Are you suggesting I'm a bigot? Hahaha. Oooook buddy.
Ridiculous beliefs are by definition deserving of ridicule. You want a list of ridiculous theistic beliefs? How about some oppressive, dare I say bigoted, theistic beliefs?
Nice try, Jackie.
You guys should at *least* at the very, very fucking least just watch the video. I don't think religion is healthy myself but just try to gain some insight and more perspective on it.
is ISIS not enough for you?! go preach that to them!
The fundamental problem with this is assuming people are rejecting religion because it "isn't relevent" rather than because it's bullshit. These ideas are fundamentally at odds with a realistic view of the world and reality. Optimism is entirely possible and generally a good thing. But all that's happening is an attempt to shoehorn religion into a younger generation.
Spirituality is a good thing, and is entirely independant of religion. That is certainly something that could do with more attention today, but religion is purely draconian.
We need spirituality? You can't even define it. It's silly woowoo.
+Antonius Weezel Absolutely agree... well said!!:o)
mopsman "the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things." - that isn't synonymous with the persistent religious soul, or some magic ghost living inside you. I'm talking about actually considering philisophical metaphysics and what it means to exists, art culture etc.
woowoo, define metaphysics, woowoo
It's literally a google away.
On the face of things, I acknowledge the need to form religions. After all, not every person is capable (or willing) to make the rational leap to the realization that no gods exist. In the interim, then, in order to preserve the integrity of civilization, religious reform, particularly in Islam, is required. It's just frustrating, because the true solution is to eradicate religious thought all together.
The existence of God(s) cannot be proven or disproven. While believing in a higher power isn't rational in modern times, it's not wrong either. Which is why religions everywhere need a reform for modernity.
Retro Controller Well said.
Conner Nickerson, Retro Controller is right. It cannot be proven or disproven.
Note: I'm agnostic, by the way. So that there's no confusion on where I stand.
There are people far, far more rational than you and I who consider themselves fundamentalists in their religion. There is so much more to religion that you dont understand.
Conner Nickerson meh that's why we have a police force
Right now, Richard Dawkins is right in the back of my mind saying: "Love, justice, equality and dignity? We don't need religion for that..."
And you know what? He's absolutely right. And you can even add Freedom in the mix.
Well, she said at the beginning of the talk that everything was a mess. She stated it was a fact. Isn't that proof that we need god? Or is that proof there is no god? This is confusing.
mopsman that's proof that everything was a mess, and nothing else than that. I don't think you understand what evidence is.
No, she doesn't. That was my point.
While religions may be boring, full of condemnation, divisive and somewhat outdated, the main issue with religions are that they tend to be based around unsupported, if not demonstrably false, claims about the nature of reality.
Religion may have convinced society that faith is a virtue but it simply is not, critical thinking, skepticism and doubt are values worth embracing and faith stands in direct opposition to those values.
We may gain hope from pretending to know that our dead loved ones live on in some sort of paradise or that a loving god is watching over us but we do not know these things and there are good reasons to doubt these things, to rely on faith and pretend otherwise is patently dishonest.
Miquel Torres
in my religion Richard Dawkins is a great prophet sent by Darwin my almighty god.
peace be upon them
Did majority actually watched this presentation before giving it a dislike?
I can't believe so many people hate on this TEDTalk. Sharon Brous call for religion to be a force for good is something we should all agree on. A shift towards love, justice, dignity and equality for all.
Education is a better and more universal force for good and doesn't require people to believe inconsistent bullshit.
Unity can only be achieved if we shift away from religion.
Actually, the best thing we could do is just stop using the word religion. The words we use to define and separate things is the single most poisonous and resilient fume in existence.
religion causes so much suffering in the world, we have to find a way to move passed religious dogma
believing in Zeus myths ....force for good .....hmm well intelligent people already can take a story and look at the lessons from it
So the solution to the inherent problems of tribalism... is more tribalism?
You can't fix religion, because the problems with religion are systemic.
Labeling an experience of community and fellowship as "religious" doesn't make it religious. You could do everything you're currently doing, without calling it religion, and you would still have had the same experience. Trying to keep it "religious" is unnecessary baggage, and undermines the foundation of what your intentions are. It's like keeping your gall bladder attached, after it exploded, because you've had it so long and can't imagine being without it.
Why not just excise the entire concept of religion, and focus specifically on things like community, humanity and fellowship? We could even call it something new and exciting, like "humanism".
Oh wait...
I think everyone needs to take a step back and actually listen to this talk. She's essentially saying religious extremism and 'Going through the motions' is what is killing religion in the modern age. AND that it's the job of current religious leaders to fix it. They're the problem THEY must be the solution. This is not even close to a proselytized message telling us to be baptized or were dammed. Who actually watched this video?
"She's essentially saying religious extremism and 'Going through the motions' is what is killing religion in the modern age."
Both of those are a product of organized religion itself. Religious extremism is a product of organized religion. You don't find extremists in religions that are not institutionalized. Standardization of rituals make religion boring, by definition. Saying the same prayers, doing the same rituals, singing the same hymns, becomes automatic after a while. But saying the same prayers, doing the same rituals and singing the same hymns in kind of what an organized religion is!
And she's a rabbi so she is part of a religious institution and that mean she is really killing organized religion every day.
Utah Raven No, the problem is she misidentified the problem. The problem, if it can even be called that, is people understand faith isn't a reliable method to understand things, and that there is no evidence for any gods.
The only people worrying about religion are people with nothing else in their lives...there are more important things like school getting a good paying job etc.
That is nonsence and if you thorght about what you just said for even an instance you'd see why. Religion is in most govenments in the world, they have a say as to what laws are passed or not. Their are ppl that beleive in fairytales deciding how I live and die. Would you be happy if the next gen grow up, get in to power and beleived that Harry Potter was baced on fact and we should change the way we live to better suit his teachings? If you think religion only effects the religous it is you that is not looking around and seeing the important things happening in real.
Dan Pope So what you're saying is that you're just terrified of your government, and despite what you believe you'll follow them. Governments were birthed by people trying to be gods, and they still persist fooling poor souls that fear them. The great thing about religion is that the beginning and the end starts with you. The question is, would you rather be wrong pursuing the unknown, or the known? There are far worse things to believe in than Harry Potter by the way. There's a lot of good morals to glean from its legacy.
Dookie, I'll be honest, yes I am afraid of my govenment. That does not mean I follow the law to the letter, far from it, but if I am caught doing what I believe to be right but is againest the law I can have my life/freedom taken away from me and if it just so happens that I'm breaking a law that is in place coz some old folk back in the day believed in fairytales I'm being punished because of someone eles' beliefs. Look, you are at the bed side of your best friend, you have known them all your life, you love them. They are dying coz they have cancer. There is nothing the docs can do accept keep them alive in as little pain as possible. They face months of getting worse before their body finally gives up. They roll over to and ask you to put a pillow over their face. You can't, you want to, but you can't, you have to watch them get smaller and smaller, weaker and weaker. Euthanaiser is not legle, giving ppl the right to die while they can still hold their head high is illegle, instead because of religion they must suffer. This is by far not the only scenario in which religion can and does take control of non-beleivers lives. And just a heads up, when someone make an obviously over dramatic comparson to something don't try and make it sound like a ligitimet point, it makes you sound like a nit-picker, I bet you start a lot a sentences with 'Well..... Actully......'
importance is a very subjective thing, i find it pretty sad the fact that you consider a good paying job central in your life.
Jygga Swoop I've never heard such ignorant words. When you die everything in your life will vanish, religious people are religious so that when they die, then they'll wake up to good things, a heaven, rather than a dark empty and meaningless void
This lady is so intelligent, ambitious and inspirational and people are ignoring her and are automatically dismissing her opinions and experiences because she said the word "religion". But hey it was her goal to do "something" and not "everything", she has done something. She has inspired me. Even if you all remain hateful people who argue on the internet, she has still reached out and inspired me. God bless.
I'd rather preach science, but for those who can't or don't want to, something like a soft, positive religion of love might be a good thing to keep them from losing their sense of purpose and getting depressed.
It's time for God, if he exists, to show himself.
I wonder if, say a true supernatural being comes to our little earth, we would worship it or try to kill it haha
Clemens Lindner probably the last one XD people would be gettin the nukes ready XD
Anthony Moore hahaha, but for real, as long as we don't see it's power, we don't fear it
*****
Christians would argue that has already happened.
Also, an omnipotent god could reveal itself to all humans individually in such a way that no human would react in such a way.
If there is a god, why would he feel the need to show himself in order for humans to believe in him?
Why so much hate on this video? - This video isn't about religion>evolution you know, it's about a need to unite the religious forces to have them work for the common good and not slouch back into idleness. It's about making religion=peace and prosperity and not violence and fear.
Trying to convince people to believe in religion is like trying to throw a rope to someone who wants to drown, and all I can do is throw the rope but it takes the other person to save themselves
Well said.
See's a religion themed video, grabs popcorn, scrolls down the comments
religion isn't the problems, humans are. selfishness is, corruption is, greed is, hate is, we all need a reality check.
I believe in God not in religion. I don't want the world to forget about God, but I do want the world to move on from religion.
People will always take good ideas and turn them into screwed up belief structures.
I consider science a religion and I'm an atheist. Lol any deep look at String Theory will make that argument. It requires tax exemption And subsidy, inordinate introspection and questioning, doubt and reaffirmation, and a subset of the population to devote thier lives to establishing dogma. And the actors involved are all just flawed individuals like Crick, Shannon, Hoyle, and oooh so many others.
Frankly even "rational" people say idiotic things. That goes back to the *founding* of Rationalism: Descartes who blundered with the Cogito.
If we acknowledge that there's methods but no end point, we'll finally all be innately aware of Evolutionary Theory, and it's correlary, the Law of Effect (which is just Utilitarianism but without "ethical" backage).
Of course at least the evidence and benefits are self-evident and not up to Insanely divergent interpretations (unless you count Quantum Mechanics, which.... Yikes). But there's no argument from me that we destroyed all of the Old Gods by utilizing thermodynamics and chemistry. The only ones left are the ones imagined by Arthur C. Clarke or Kurzwiel.
basically she is saying that we should use religion to solve the problems we wouldn't have if religion did not exist in the first place
"Human decency isn't derived from religion. It peoceeds it." - Hitchens
I'm so glad to see so many people in the comments speak out against religion. Let's get rid of it and move on to something greater that can unite us: art, love, science; human things should glue us together, not superhuman ones.
I'd prefer if TED starting posting more Science/Technology videos again
ISIS was doing a great job of reclaming Islam but then those pesky kids and that dog ruined it!
Thank you for sharing, Rabbi Sharon Brous! This was a great speech; you are an amazing speaker. You bring up many important points and I too share hope in your vision.
Religious, non religious doesn't mean much to me as long as you are a decent human being
If by reclaim you mean junk it, then yes.
We do not need To SPREAD "non sense superstitions". PLEASE
huh, comments are enabled... HELLO TED !
Oh god you just reminded me of the last upload.
*Sees something positive about religion - Dislikes*
I agree with your premise: religion is the problem. I disagreed with you conclusion: we need to fix religion.
I can see how your business model wants to keep religion but what we need to do is get rid of religion.
If we can't get rid off it, we might "fix" it. We have changed religion in the past and we can do so again.
Why can't we get rid of it?
we'll get rid of it by education and critical thought
Let's subcontract fixing religion to ISIS, they are doing a great job so far.
We need to get rid of religion to so we can move on and accomplish great things that religious people disprove of
You don't believe in something because it's GOOD. You don't believe in something because it's USEFUL. You only believe in something because it's TRUE.
mhtinla because you believe it's true*
This was so inspiring and amazing! Thank you, this talk was very much needed today.
The new modern religion. Individualism. Hedonism. Pantheism... Well done TED. UNSUBSCRIBED
i have a solution!
More cause!
FYI, i disliked only after watching the whole thing.
Religion is never a solution for anything.
Oh, TED.
How careless of you.
You misspelled the verb "reject" in the title.
She has no idea what she's talking about.
Wha--! People cherry picking religion?! Like that hasn't been done before!
It's time to reject religion
It's funny how they call themselves "intellectual beings" and they dislike the video just because the title says "religion", pathetic
It funny how you claim to be smarter then everyone and offer no evidence for anything you say. Pathetic.
***** that's what a person with a brain is supposed to do :)
QED, pathetic
it's funny how you perceive your opinions as truth, specially when it comes to what drives other people's actions.
my gosh, so many people against religion. how other people choose to live there, so long as it's peaceful, doesn't affect you. the beginning of a better world comes with the ending of criticism of other people's way of life. I myself am not religious, but this has never stopped me from having some religious people as my closest friends. And we do discuss politics amongst each other quite often, and have never got into an argument because we respect each other's opinion, and don't try to change how the other person thinks. now don't get me wrong, I know Religious people, specifically Christians are stereotyped for always being Jesus freaks and stuffing their views onto other people, but tbh, just reading the comments section of this video, Atheist are clearly more likely to do that. most religious (I have friends from several different religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism) people I've ever met are always happy to accept other people, but unfortunately, many Atheist I know are very adamant about being against religion.
I cannot believe how many people have disliked this video without, CLEARLY, even watching the video! You simply cannot claim to be accepting, non-judgmental, and empathetic if you immediately see the word 'religion' and completely shut off your brain. Her message is that religion in it's essence is supposed to, and does, bring many people together for a greater purpose. Are people imperfect and do they decide to use their religions for separation and hate? Yes. Does that mean that every Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Jew is inherently evil and intolerant? Absolutely not!
Assholes come in all shapes and sizes, both self-proclaimed religious or athiest. Every single person who is judging this woman's message without even hearing her out is a giant hypocrite. It seems that, today, it is okay to be everything EXCEPT a believer in God. Well, I'm a believer in God and I know that I'm here to spread love and justice instead of judgment and hatred. If you're too stubborn to give religious people credit for any good in this world at all, then you're blinded by pride and ego.
A little exercise that will hopefully illustrate a point:
"You simply cannot claim to be accepting, non-judgmental, and empathetic if you immediately see the word 'rap music' and completely shut off your brain. Her message is that rap music in it's essence is supposed to, and does, bring many people together for a greater purpose. Are people imperfect and do they decide to use rap music for separation and hate? Yes. Does that mean that every rap artist is inherently evil and intolerant? Absolutely not!"
This is your first paragraph where I just replaced the word "religion" with "rap music" except at the end where I replaced a few religions with "rap artists."
I think it's nonsense to say "rap music" is evil or that religion is. But both "religion" and "rap music" are words that associate with bad news and it can be argued that it's well deserved. Human beings use shortcuts to make decisions (and that's what things like stereotypes and bigotry count on) and to a lot people religion is nothing but another human institution that is rotten to its core. Believers and non-believers alike.
I agree, and that's why stereotypes and bigotry should have no place here. I'd be willing to bet that many, if not most, people who automatically disliked this video without even listening to her speak are people who claim to be open-minded and accepting of all types of people. All people except people who believe in God, that is. That is hypocrisy.
lacheena13 I would wager that a lot of people who believe in God also disliked the video and it's not because they are self-hating theists.
If the title of the talk had been "It's time to reclaim God" Rabbi Brous would have gotten less dislikes. I think there are people who have negatives feelings when they see the word "God" but many more have those same feelings when they see the word "religion."
The founder of the Christian faith was a man who, according to the Gospels, started a small riot in the Temple in Jerusalem because he felt a religious organization had turned God's house into a den of thieves.
Jesus wasn't rejecting God but he was rejecting religion in the form it existed.
Don't conflate God with religion.
Which in conclusions leads the previous commenter to seem somewhat close minded as well! How bout that! Everything is not black & white!?
Wrong premise lady. Religion is a liability, it's entire existence depends on people not knowing how to be effectively analytic.
Sooo.. bury your head in the sand is the solution?
The whole idea of TED is to spread ideas. To be a platform for everything worth taking a look at. A lot of the comments here dissappoint me; people say religion spreads hate, ignorance and works censoring. Meanwhile they want to censor ideas like these. If you were truly so open minded and intelligent as you present yourself, be it religious or not, you wouldn't react in such a childish way. You refuse to look into something you think is not correct; that TOO is censorship in a way, and ignorance. It seems to me some of you are either lazy minded or upright close minded.
It's time to Reclaim TED Talks.
We don't hear the name of "god" before a bombing or a shooting. We here the name of a specific god, nearly 100% of the time. The god of Islam, Allah.
Jesus loves you all
And, most importantly, he swallows.
Jesus is the King
Blasphemy! Elvis is the King, and everybody knows that.
Even the heathen Wikipedia, which falsely claims that Elvis is dead, acknowledges that Elvis is the King.
Jesus has never even produced a single that made it to the Billboard charts, and he couldn't dance to save his life. He's OK as an artist, don't get me wrong, some of his tricks (walking on water comes to mind) were neat, but definitely not as brilliant as the King.
Now repent and praise Elvis.
*****
NO! JESUS IS THE KING!! nobody comes to the father except through him
Ha! If nobody comes to the father except through Jesus, Jesus is clearly a bouncer. So he cannot be the King. Elvis is the King, I win.
Great talk. We will never be able to stop asking the "why" question but religion as we have it now, separated into different subsets with different lies (like Jesus is the son of some kind of personalized god - give me proof, or all the "you have to do"´s), takes more from humanity than it gives. Let us treat every thought as a theory and not give in to separations of humans. What all religions need to do, is to reject certain rules and "truths" to find their common core after thousands of years in subdivision. As long as religion is what it is now, i shall not call myself religious nor defend it.
She is very nice, has a big heart. But this was a waste of time; religion should die faster, if anything; in it's wake spiritual gatherings might form and gain a history.
The problem we have is not a lack of religion, but that capitalist marketing psychology threatens fill the void of meaning left after the demise of widespread dogmatic religion.
I believe in humans and all nature, in rituals and community with humans and nature. I believe in reality. I can't love and glorify imaginary beings. I love humans and all nature... can be that simple? Why we need to feed religions that insist to have a unique truth sent by an imaginary being? Why spreading that nonsense? Let's get rid of religions. Preserve those rituals and communities that we can see, love and reach in real life, the one and only :)
Why is there so much hate in the comments section? Faith is a beautiful thing that gives hope and insight to many, why are people so bitter about it?
because of the countless deaths it has caused over the millennia.
Sources: Crusades, Jihads, Holy Wars in general.
+Max but people do those things, not religions or gods, and people are extraordinarily talented to find something (be it religion, patriotism or traditions) to excuse their violence, greed and hatred
yes people did do those things, in name of their gods, they were able to organise these wars because of centralised religious Dogma
TED's viewer golbaly think that big decisions of a comunity must be made with objectivity rationnality and logic. Supertition is the easyest way to do bad choices. Some trols in comments but a lots of very interessting one too.
+Max thing is, no religion condones murder or violence-- dogma actually preaches peace, so it's still people finding excuses for their hatred
The reason religion has been so successful is because it held societies together, just like democracy and capitalism hold our world together today. All societal constructs have flaws and can be used to help or hurt people.
The presenter is talking about bringing religion into the modern age so that it actually fulfills its purpose again: keeping people together.
I don't know what the end product will look like, it most likely won't be look like any of our current religions. This is just the first step.
Wow TED. Wow. You have fallen from grace in a very short amount of time.
I grew up being a Jehovah witness, it's a sect of Christianity, there they heavily pressure you to not pursue anything but what they have to offer, if you choose to go to college after high school graduation it's looked at by their people as choosing worldly views, but if you live with your parents for the rest of your days preaching and not ever getting a job that's viewed as good. Religion was a good job at trying to bring people out from a dark past and into hope, but I believe it's the wrong kind of hope, we should all strive to better our society and not move towards a hope of everlasting life that will never come. People just don't want to accept the sad truth that we created the god idea, only we, only humans, only you can do something to make a change.
Everyone in the comments complaining about there being no evidence for God, yet the opposite "scientific" argument says all matter came from nothing. If you ask me the biggest piece of evidence for God is that matter and living things exist! How can you get information and intelligence (such as in our DNA) from nothing? Science cannot explain this.
Christian Michels The scientific argument is "we don't know". You try to claim this is a drawback of science, but this is exactly what science does right. It is honest with itself, admitting that we don't know what happened. The approach religion takes is "god(s) did it", then assert it as fact and not allow it to be questioned. We can see, by the simple fact that you are using a product of science, whether science or religion is more effective.
Oh butthurt people, I a humble servant of social media, do apologize to the fact that you can't respect someone's worldview just because they are religious.
I think part of moving forward as a species and looking to the future, is not in abandoning the spirituality of religion, but finally being able to accept others for their spiritual beliefs, whatever they may be. The important part of this of course, is that non-religious people should not feel the need to enforce their beliefs on spiritual people, and vice versa.
Religion and spirituality is an inherently human quality and the presence of religion should not be cause for fear in others. Part of maturing as a species is being able to accept others for their differences and not feel the desire to change everyone else, whatever your background is.
The thing that pisses me off about you people who believe we can just dispense with religion is how mindlessly you all go about your day as though metaphysics had no bearing on you or the world around you. For every atheist who claims that metaphysics is either moot or already established their's at least 10 more who live day by day ignorant of any perspective separate from their own.
There were some alright points, but there was so many unnecessary buzzwords. Overall I think the best way to counter religion is to get rid of it. There are other ways to find purpose in life.
Wrong, it's time to stop giving respect and reverence to superstitions and the supernatural
If we abandoned religion and embraced science, we would have no republicans. Can you really live in a world without Republicans?
This talk is an opportunity to exercise the open-mindedness for which TED listeners are famous. And yet, I don't see it here in the comments.
It's official. I gave Ted so many chances, but this was the last straw. I'm unsubscribing once and for all.
7 dislikes and 4 likes, damn
she was speaking like a true activist, don't get how her points are supposed to encourage religion, everything she says can be done without religion yet she says those are the reasons we need religion.. and the point about being awaken or whatever is dumb, nobody is more aware of how much we need to change than all of us right now, I don't need a pastor to remind me of that
I am an atheist, and I do not believe that the future of the human race is in the hands of religions, but it is true that we are beings who seek a meaning for life when it is very likely that we will never find it, The alternative for all those people who can not wake up in the morning without a god to worship, what Sharon explains is a better way of expressing, without violence and without interfering with the progress of the rest of humanity that can live with the taste of what knowledge and science gives us.
A point that isn't made is why on earth would we want to revitalize religion, considering the state of affairs where religion is precisely most fervent and active.
'Harsh reality is always better than false hope.'
People do not need to be awakened by your falsehood. People need to learn how to deal with reality.
Good premise. Not a great title. Sadly, it looks like the title earned most of those dislikes
Glad I gave it a watch
Young people are going against religion because we have so many examples of what not to do aka follow a religion
I can't help but notice that suicide and depression medications are most in the atheist community...
Some good ideas from an intelligent person, but religion doesn't need to be part of the future, it has become obsolete.
I'll stick with Science until religion heals, Fights and builds for us.
Why should we encourage people to believe things without evidence?
Which ancient century did she come from?
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