I used to play this game in the late 2000s. Before war of the ring came out. Seeing Burdhur of all characters get a new model makes me want to get back into the game. If a random throwaway OC is getting attention when it makes sense that just says to me the designers keeping this game alive are invested in it as a whole.
It also surprised me because the old metal model hobestly still looks really good, but the new one is fantastic. Wish coteaz and 40k models got the same treatment when redone.
@@arvatrontheiv2220 if I had to guess it’d be 40K is on a faster track to get things out but the ME team are allowed to take their time because it’s just not as popular.
I was just gonna say the same thing!😄Actually though I would prefer an interesting special rule related to combat even if it meant he had to stay fight 5.
I've always wanted to play the Rise of the Witch-King supplement since it came out back when, but never got the chance. This will be good; as long as we don't get Rings of Power we're golden.
@@renwulf1695 I can't imagine there being any business case for Rings of Power miniatures. The reception by audiences has been overwhelmingly unpopular and if they were going to make it happen they would have done it on launch when the hype was there.
I already said it on the noobs channel, but I am hoping that they rework the fight values as well as either tone down all the special rules for the hobbit minis or else buff up the ones for the OG models. Otherwise I think the rules are very good in their current iteration. Lastly with GW moving away from forgeworld resin with the rest of their games I hope to see an update of some of their older FW kits in the new edition.
Definitely share your optimism about the new edition, I still have a 20 year old rulebook that's like 90% up-to-date, I can't really see them shake up the game to such a degree that the old scenario's are completely invalid. Maybe the profiles will be tweaked but they should all be in the two supplementary books. Also those new models are absolutely gorgeous and the BfME II player in me is crying tears of joy.
For the past years people have been asking for so many minor changes and tweaks that have been done via Errata/FAQs. Like you said Jacob, there's an unnoticed accumulation of changes since the current version came out and that realization, along with still more changes being voiced by the players, merits a new edition. I think of it as the rules writers asking themselves, "If we could go back and re-write these rules and unit/army profiles with what we know now and what we've seen and heard from the past 6 years, how would we have improved upon this current version." I feel this new version will be familiar to all the current players and adding in positive change to the game we've all been asking for in small ways. Can't wait! Jacob, as far as your plans go, maybe you can do a Rules Writer Series where you showcase a hero/unit/army in a small scenario and then talk about how you'd improve upon it in the new edition if you could.
Conquest of Champions seasons 4. The Ultimate Champion. Everyone's favorite armies from the first 3 seasons thrown together to find the ultimate Champion of this version of MESBG before going on to the new installment. 1 battle a week following your newly proposed group layout. 11 weeks worth of videos means you may complete before or around the time of the new game release.
My guess is that the likelihood of it happening is very low. The plastic Uruks that exist already represent the Uruks that we see in the movies perfectly. A new kit would be almost identical just a bit crisper
One must be careful when the Great Eye of GW is upon you. It is usually for the worst. MESBG has succeeded mostly due to lack of GW interference for the most part.
Games Workshop literally made MESBG. Without the Great Eye of Games Workshop it would not exist. They have constantly interfered with the game by manufacturing millions of miniatures for it and distributing them all around the world.
In regards to your original release schedule, re the new edition coming out. As long as you preface at the start of the videos, even in just text on the screen stating this was filmed prior would be 100% fine. I see it all the time with killteam and warhammer 40k bat reps due to constant updates, having to do it once in 6 years sits pretty well with me
I have decided that Conquest Champions Season 4 will be delayed until the new edition comes out. It will be the first big showcase of the edition on the channel
Thanks for the comment, the new edition will change some of the core rules but my guess is that they will be minor changes to things such as Heroic Challenge, brutal power attacks, and special strikes
Curse is cool and definitely under utilized. I reckon he might also have an aura that means enemy heroes have to re-roll successful fate rolls if they are to close to the Shadow
Man I have too many Codices for 40K to buy to be getting another MESBG rulebook. Hopefully the rules don't change too much. Guessing there will be a War of the Rohirrim launch box with the film's release around Christmas? Getting ready for a 3000 point siege of Minas Tirith when this news dropped!!
I don't think the changes will be huge and they have had a 6 year gap between the past few editions which I am totally fine with when it comes to the books. I wouldn't want a new edition any more often than that
Some great insights from you, and I think this is good news, it shows GW is invested in the game. Those models look great aswell. 1 rule I would like changed is Line of sight for shooting to be if it crosses a models base rather than true line of sight.
Thanks for the comment. I think it's a great sign about GW committing fully to all the Warner Bros content. I'm a massive fan of True line of Sight. I find it the most immersive and easy system for line of sight
I think the odds of them doing a new fellowship is pretty low. The currently available plastic fellowship kit is terrible but each member of the fellowship has several different sculpts, most of which are great
You sound nervous man! Good video and im excited to see these changes, even though I play mostly on tabletop sim I have a few models irl and these looks sick. The werewolves look awesome!
I was just literally thinking about MESBG today (before i was aware of the article), i didn't really play it as a youngster, despite loving the movies (Better than Star Wars) and literally being ~12 when they came out but i remember it actually felt like a new player friendly wargame not a boardgame/CCG like AoS/arguably 40k. So i was considering maybe picking up a little 'intro game' worth of minis and the rules to maybe play with my Nephew when he's a bit older. So this is actually great news for me.
I think you may have to just hold off on champions til the new year - War of the Rohirrim is coming out in december, and surely they want to produce any new models at the same time
Pretty excited. SUper excited for new Buhdur he has been a great ally for my Moria and cant wait for the hill trolls. Really hope Blackshields get new models and decent rules love em and take them but hard to justify them lol
I'd love for them to expand on the heroic resources more. having most heroes only have 3/3/3 max doesn't make sense. Having Boromir with 6 might but Elendil, Gil-Galand, Glorfindal etc only 3 Might doesn't sit well. Also with Fate, I'd love it if your Leader's Fate can be spent to reroll priority rolls (maybe have it cost a Fate and a Will or something).
Considering that bannermer has F7 and so beats Aragon and elves there are changes that are needed. I think points wise also some heroes need to be updated. Faramir is weak base nothing good really unless your doing something like his legion
Boromir's 6 might is what makes him as a character unique. I do love the idea of having more uses for fate and will. Its super often that neither side has magic so will goes unused all game
Ironically just as my local group was thinking of getting started with the game. Curious as to what it will look like. Side note where did you get your lights?
This is perfect timing. If you just wait for it to drop you can all learn in the new edition! The lights are Newer multi colour ones. I'm not exactly sure what model but the cost roughly $200Aud each. They have been great and I would recommend them.
Every profile getting a rewrite means they're all getting new points. That's why we haven't had the points values for any of the new spoiled models. If they told us the hero's were 30 or 300 points we'd realise they changed the point system. I'm convinced that's how they plan to rebalance things.
I think this would be really interesting, I actually really like this idea. At the moment there is a lot of compression of the cost of profiles between 5 and 10 points. If everything got doubled it could add more differentiation. For example a Goblin Town goblin could be 8 points, a moria goblin with spear could be 9 and an Elf with spear and shield could be 20
Hopefully season 4 can happen. It'll likely take months for the new edition to actually drop? In the meantime season 4 could be a finale for this edition in a way.
The thing I’m nervous about (as someone who’s only just started getting into the game) is that they’re going to start “modernizing” the models and releasing things in newer plastic kits the second I just bought a full army of the older metal models. Just worried about starting my first army and having it get immediately outdated by a modernized release. This wouldn’t be such an issue but I mean man GW is not inexpensive
Thanks for the comment, I wouldn't worry about this at all! I deliberately collect armies made of the older metal models because in my opinion they will always be the best models. My current project is a fully metal Uruk Hai scout force.
I fully expect a full range refresh any day now, the scale of new models has been way off from the normal plastic infantry for years now and with the phase out of first born space marines and huge sales of primaris I think GW is looking for another big wave of sales via army replacements.
A range replacement would be awesome. I think its very unlikely that we will see new plastics for a lot of the common troops but if it happens that will be great
I never got into this game because it was never clear to me how many factions there were, I never had clearly in mind the "full roster" of available armies.
There are 43 factions in the game. They are all listed in the back of the Army books a full list is: EVIL Angmar Dark Denizens of Mirkwood Goblin-town Sharkey's Rogues Azog's Hunters Dark Powers of Dol Guldur lsengard The Trolls Azog's Legion Desolator of the North Mordor Variags of Khand Barad-dur The Easterlings Moria Corsairs ofUmbar Far Harad The Serpent Horde GOOD Army of Lake-town Army ofThror Arnor The Dead of Dunharrow Erebor Reclaimed Fangorn The Fellowship The Fiefdoms Garrison of Dale Halls ofThranduil The Misty Mountains Numenor Radagast's Alliance The Iron Hills The Rangers The Kingdom of Khazad-dum Rivendell Lothlorien Minas Tirith Rohan The Shire Survivors of Lake-town Thorin's Company The White Council Wildmen of Druadan
Really hope this make's it a bit more popular on the east coast. I've always wanted to get into MESBG but I never see it in any of the game stores in Charlotte. I might try to pick up some intro games on tabletop simulator if your community or others like to play on there.
Rather nervous with them revising all the main books… of their best rules set. That’s a big wallet dip. In my group we aren’t gonna switch immediately. Only thing that needs change is some tweaks, clarifications, and the toughness strength table usage(gets old checking that chart)
100% on the charts lol. One of the best changes in 40k was simplifying the wound system. Str= toughness 4s, str>t 3s str 2x or more t 2s. Opposite if T is higher than str going 5's then 6's respectively. Simple and give approximately similar results
Once you get your head around it you never need to check the charts, If Strength and defense are equal its 4's, if defense is 1 or two higher its 5's, 3 or 4 higher its 6's. After that its a 4+, 5+, 6+ for each successive additional defense. Now that I have written that it sounds lite it could be simpler but this is one that I am a big fan of
It's hard not to be a little apprehensive when it's a game we know and love so much but I can't see them doing a drastic overhaul for a game that isn't their prime focus and is frankly near perfect as is. I'm optimistic for the most part and anything that might encourage new players to come to middle earth is always a good thing.
I totally agree with you here. I don't think the changes will be massive and over the past few days i have thought of plenty of areas of possible improvement
I was going to buy the battle for Osgiliath box, but with this News I don’t know if i have to wait to buy the newest material, i’ll be Glad if someone Can give me an advice
Unless you are very interested in the miniatures in the Battle for Osgiliath I would wait for the new starter kit. The miniatures will always be relevant but the rule book wont be
The only news I want to hear is that GW are lowering their prices. I love the games, love the models but I haven't purchased a GW mini in years...third party all the way....a fraction of the price and often more dynamic minis.
Games Workshop will have bundles that come at a huge discount such as Battle Hosts and the Starter set however will not be lowering their prices across the board.
"And so begins the 40Kfying of Middle Earth. The Dark Lord made in secret a decision to release a new book two years after the last one. More would come...and 50$ for two minis was just the beginning"
With all the talk of another new Rulebook & Rise of Angmar coming.... Are there any books you suggest staying away from??? I've only played a game or 2 so far, but have recently bought a revised Rulebook (& now expecting to buy a re-revised Rulebook). I also have the Battle Companies, Hobbit Armies & Lord of the Rings Armies. But I'm always keeping an eye out for a deal on Defense of the North, etc. But now I'm concerned about buying ANYTHING. I expect to now be $150 USD into the Rules. And as I understand it, Pretty much ALL of the rest of my books will be trash? Thoughts???
I see the need for new armies books, to draw together all the new stuff from the various campaign books. I just hope that the changes to the system are minimal. I'd like for spearmen to contribute to the fight value of a fight. There are a few individuals who could be tweaked. Why does Helm have a great sword in the rules, but not on the model? Surely Warg riders should have war spears, rather than throwing spears. They never throw their spears in the movies and seem to use them couched, like lances. Those are the sort of little changes I'd like addressed. I don't want a huge reimagining of GW's most balanced rule system.
Having an Armies of LotR and Hobbit book with all the new profiles and the Legendary Legions in one place would be great. I am sure there will be lots of minor tweaks. Side note spearmen do contribute their fight value
@@ConquestCreations oops. I think my group had been messing that up, regarding the spearmen as not being in the fight, for the purpose of fight value. I think this is something that changed at some point in the rules from earlier versions. Glad to know I was getting it wrong.
I am very nervous for big changes, specially in army building. I am one of the people who prefers metal over plastic, and not looking forward to be paying Ebay prices (again) to change my armies. That said, I go into it with an open mind, like I did with Flames of War. Still prefer v3 over v4, but each version has something to offer. I am very excited about the new Angmar releases. 🤗
I totally understand being nervous. The game is in such a good place that change can be concerning but I am super optimistic about the direction it will go. I am a huge fan of metal models but they can be hard to get. On my painting desk at the moment is a full metal Uruk Hai scout army
I never have played lotr tabletop game from GW, but im looking forward for more info about it. I mean, Im focused into Warhammer 40k, but Im interested about lotr if they follow the books and the original triology.
If the new edition is sh*t im just staying with the old one or a fan errata will be the new unofficial official. So im not scared at all ^^ The models look sick!
Not sure what this comment means but the game has been the same at its core since it was first released over 20 years ago so I am fully confident that it will be true to its origins
@@ConquestCreations look at your click bait videos listings, you have as Middle earth strategy game battles....just so tired of so many bell ends not reviewing their work before posting,,,,at least you got a partial view out of it before I hung myself from boredom.
@@mikesilk4933 not really sure what you means I would recommend reviewing your comment. As far as clickbait goes the Thumbnail is "Huge GW News" which is true, the video then backs up that by talking about the news. Does not fall into the category of clickbait in the slightest. All good if this content isn't for you, our regular battle reports are still coming at their normal pace and all this is just extra
@@mikesilk4933 The one with "Bad News" Is talking about how I am loosing my studio space due to a new landlord. In this video I talk about how I am unsure of how to progress the future of the channel. I think that the thumbnail is representative of the content in that case. It also addresses how due to this the battle report schedule will be slowed down so that we are able to build a stock pile of videos to give us a buffer window to figure out our studio situation. The other two also have thumbnails and titles directly related to the content of the video
I wonder if they'll remove even MORE flexibility in list building and maybe make things more mandatory so you can definitely never convert any minis... like all their other games...
I think that the alliance system will definitely be changing. I always prefer thematic armies so I don't think this would be a problem. Not sure what you mean about conversions, there always has and will be opportunity to convert models in all of their games. Just think of Heresy or Necromunda
@@ConquestCreations I preferred how it used to be in the Green/Red/Blue books. Where you could slap goblins with your orcs and add some haradrim without consultation of a graph. The problem is GW FORCES you to only play as the films allow. They make sure you can't use imagination to make a force unless you lose bonuses (which for some are useless anyway) And by conversions guaranteed they'll force you to take your troops as the miniatures dictate. So I could bet money they'll force warriors of minas tirith to take shields to push using official minis to push their sales. Similar to 40k where you build your army from boxes not from your will and freedom. They'd hate my Gondor army is from Perry Miniatures Agincourt range
Continue with Season 4 and just add a disclaimer, I suspect it will be minor tweaks to the games and given the cinematic quality and discussion on overall tactics - I dont think it would ruin your planned content. just my thoughts.
I have decided that I will wait for the new edition for Conquest Champions Season 4 which should give me several months to figure out the studio. In the mean time I'll have quest of the ring bearer and some other content
I think a solid change that would count as "reworking every profile" would simply be to remove the "/" in fight value, and create a ranged accuracy stat. Whenever I teach the game, new players have such a hard time deciphering which fight number to use (its obvious, but also not).
I have decided to wait. Becuase it is going to be 11 games long the edition change would happen halfway through. I reckon as soon as we get our hands on the new edition I'll start filming it.
Constant new editions are why I stopped playing Warhammer. I can't afford to spend tons of money on new books all the time. I finally decided to upgrade to the current version from the 2003 edition (which I own all of the books from) because there were a lot of genuine improvements. I got several friends interested in the game. They all bought rule books and now this happened... It might not be really bad but we're pretty gun-shy after expensive reboots of other games we've played in the past. I have no issues with new stuff coming out, I just hate that GW expects me to pay a book tax to keep playing the game even if I've finally managed to collect an army.
@@Corppi22 They don't give the PDFs away for free (at least not legally). It's still a book tax even if it's 50% off. (And if you don't already have a portable device that is viable for reading pdfs, it's a lot more expensive than a book.)
@@dashsocur You know, its the people who keep buying into GWs paywalled rules that are the reason they dont just release free online pdfs like every other company. Be the change you wanna be and stop doing it. People share the rules online for a reason. The billion dollar company will be fine.
This is going to be a giant money-grab from GW. Mark my words: The new models will be the BEST models for the first couple of months, until GW has sold enough. Then nerfed to bottom tier - Just like GW has raped all their 40K fans for years. There was absolutely no reason to change anything in MESBG - any changes could have been adrressed with a simple errata.
Words marked. Games Workshop has been consistently releasing stuff with new models for the whole existence of the game, I am not sure why they would change their approach for this release specifically. Some of their released have gone straight to top tier such as the Beornings before being slightly nerfed to still being in top tier, some released have gone straight to the bottom like the Sharkeys Rouges characters, while most of them have been solidly balanced such as the new Mordor characters
I do also suppose the changes GW will introduce to the new edition will NOT disturb the game balance. Like why they should modify something that was almost perfect? I'd really hope though they could use some right reasoning and fix matters that require fixing like, e.g removing move penalty to any archers of elvish troops (well, they are elves or not? and still hit on 3+ like ANY kind of rangers troops, outriders or hobbits... really? The BEST archers in the world are not that best aren't they?) or adding extra range to elevated shooting troops (both siege engines, range units or monsters that can shoot) because atm such elevated positions have NO actual positive impact on shooting other than extra ITW test (but only if archers shoots from behind terrain piece).
Slightly nervous about the changes but also excited at the same time.
Hopefully it sees some factions with updated models.
Here comes the good old power creep...
I used to play this game in the late 2000s. Before war of the ring came out.
Seeing Burdhur of all characters get a new model makes me want to get back into the game. If a random throwaway OC is getting attention when it makes sense that just says to me the designers keeping this game alive are invested in it as a whole.
It also surprised me because the old metal model hobestly still looks really good, but the new one is fantastic. Wish coteaz and 40k models got the same treatment when redone.
Poor Coteaz...his old model is so awesome. The new one....wtf
@@arvatrontheiv2220 if I had to guess it’d be 40K is on a faster track to get things out but the ME team are allowed to take their time because it’s just not as popular.
They didn't need a whole new edition to give Eomer F6!
He really needs it though
There even is a "we've reworked all the profiles to make them better represent the heroes" quote from the article OMG YOU MAY BE RIGHT
I was just gonna say the same thing!😄Actually though I would prefer an interesting special rule related to combat even if it meant he had to stay fight 5.
Also Faramir.
@@bmulls1214 Faramir being underwhelming is just fitting in the eyes of Denethor.
and I only just picked up the the rules manual and armies of lotr books a few months ago 😭
picked mine up a month ago 😢
100% still want to see the tournament, let it be a swan song for this edition. Please do it!
I appreciate the fact that you didn't go in "influencer hype mode" about these news. Hopefully the new edition is good
I've always wanted to play the Rise of the Witch-King supplement since it came out back when, but never got the chance. This will be good; as long as we don't get Rings of Power we're golden.
Rings of Power are owned by a different entity so their licensing is totally separate and not held by Games Workshop
@@ConquestCreations For now...
@@renwulf1695 I can't imagine there being any business case for Rings of Power miniatures. The reception by audiences has been overwhelmingly unpopular and if they were going to make it happen they would have done it on launch when the hype was there.
I can’t believe it. There finally doing something with Mesbg.
Be careful what you wish for
I already said it on the noobs channel, but I am hoping that they rework the fight values as well as either tone down all the special rules for the hobbit minis or else buff up the ones for the OG models.
Otherwise I think the rules are very good in their current iteration.
Lastly with GW moving away from forgeworld resin with the rest of their games I hope to see an update of some of their older FW kits in the new edition.
I'm on board as long as they don't include ANYTHING from Rings of Power. War of the Rohirrim and Gollum movie are ok.
I think from a legal/licensing side Rings of Power is a separate entity
@@ConquestCreations Thank God
Honestly I wish the barbarian guys had more variety in appearance. I hate that they all have the same helmets and shields and clothing
Definitely share your optimism about the new edition, I still have a 20 year old rulebook that's like 90% up-to-date, I can't really see them shake up the game to such a degree that the old scenario's are completely invalid. Maybe the profiles will be tweaked but they should all be in the two supplementary books.
Also those new models are absolutely gorgeous and the BfME II player in me is crying tears of joy.
What about a Kickstarter to buy a place for your office?
For the past years people have been asking for so many minor changes and tweaks that have been done via Errata/FAQs. Like you said Jacob, there's an unnoticed accumulation of changes since the current version came out and that realization, along with still more changes being voiced by the players, merits a new edition.
I think of it as the rules writers asking themselves, "If we could go back and re-write these rules and unit/army profiles with what we know now and what we've seen and heard from the past 6 years, how would we have improved upon this current version."
I feel this new version will be familiar to all the current players and adding in positive change to the game we've all been asking for in small ways. Can't wait!
Jacob, as far as your plans go, maybe you can do a Rules Writer Series where you showcase a hero/unit/army in a small scenario and then talk about how you'd improve upon it in the new edition if you could.
Conquest of Champions seasons 4. The Ultimate Champion.
Everyone's favorite armies from the first 3 seasons thrown together to find the ultimate Champion of this version of MESBG before going on to the new installment.
1 battle a week following your newly proposed group layout. 11 weeks worth of videos means you may complete before or around the time of the new game release.
This could be an interesting shorter version like a Season 3.5 to fill inbetween now and season 4
Can’t wait! And if its poo we’ve still got the wonderful game we have now 😉
Perhaps all the legions carry over to the new edition but the all profile changes will be addressed in the new army books
We can hope. I really hope they don't invalidate all the current supplement books
I want new Uruk Hai Miniatures! Is this up to debate or am I dreaming?
My guess is that the likelihood of it happening is very low. The plastic Uruks that exist already represent the Uruks that we see in the movies perfectly. A new kit would be almost identical just a bit crisper
One must be careful when the Great Eye of GW is upon you. It is usually for the worst. MESBG has succeeded mostly due to lack of GW interference for the most part.
Lack of gw interference, they bloody made it ffs
Yes but some modern GW decisions have not been the best.
Games Workshop literally made MESBG. Without the Great Eye of Games Workshop it would not exist. They have constantly interfered with the game by manufacturing millions of miniatures for it and distributing them all around the world.
In regards to your original release schedule, re the new edition coming out. As long as you preface at the start of the videos, even in just text on the screen stating this was filmed prior would be 100% fine. I see it all the time with killteam and warhammer 40k bat reps due to constant updates, having to do it once in 6 years sits pretty well with me
I have decided that Conquest Champions Season 4 will be delayed until the new edition comes out. It will be the first big showcase of the edition on the channel
Wish I had gotten battle of pelnor fields
Ooo what a day, what a lively day.
Witneeeeeeess
As I had finally gotten away from the abusive relationship of 40k to come to this game does gw come around to fuck it all over again
You can trust GW to kill your enthusiasm but keep making a nice new models :)
Fantastic video and great speculations. Doing the champions league could be a last hoorah for this current edition of MESBG
And a follow on to roll in the new edition 💯
Great video! Thanks for the explanation! I hope this is just a new book like Gondor at war, instead of a change in the core rules 🙏
Thanks for the comment, the new edition will change some of the core rules but my guess is that they will be minor changes to things such as Heroic Challenge, brutal power attacks, and special strikes
Sooooo excited about getting War of the Rohirrim (and potentially Gollum) syuff in game. Its been forever since weve had solid new stuff.
I'll be honest I actually had assumed that GW was re-launching the Old World in part to make up for them not renewing the MESBG liscense.
Kind of hate the men of carn dum - they look like age of sigmar
They do kind of hive that vibe. However I think they were trying to make them more in line with the trolls so 🤷♂️
Well it's the same designers, software, and paint team, so..
I’m positive. I really hope for new warriors for all new major factions! The current plastic is warriors seriously need an update!
Some new plastics would be absolutely awesome. I would love to see a new wave of Battle Host boxes come out with new sculpts
'Winds of fate seemingly abandon them' makes me wonder if the Shadow of Rhudaur will have Curse
Curse is cool and definitely under utilized. I reckon he might also have an aura that means enemy heroes have to re-roll successful fate rolls if they are to close to the Shadow
@@ConquestCreations that or only pass fate on a 6 within say 6”
Man I have too many Codices for 40K to buy to be getting another MESBG rulebook.
Hopefully the rules don't change too much.
Guessing there will be a War of the Rohirrim launch box with the film's release around Christmas?
Getting ready for a 3000 point siege of Minas Tirith when this news dropped!!
With how often 40k rules change, I can't bring myself to buy their books. I hope MESBG doesn't go the same direction.
@@bigred5125 me too
I don't think the changes will be huge and they have had a 6 year gap between the past few editions which I am totally fine with when it comes to the books. I wouldn't want a new edition any more often than that
Some great insights from you, and I think this is good news, it shows GW is invested in the game. Those models look great aswell. 1 rule I would like changed is Line of sight for shooting to be if it crosses a models base rather than true line of sight.
Thanks for the comment. I think it's a great sign about GW committing fully to all the Warner Bros content. I'm a massive fan of True line of Sight. I find it the most immersive and easy system for line of sight
I'm new to MESBG, Is it likely some new fellowship models would ever come out? Some of the old ones aren't too great.
I think the odds of them doing a new fellowship is pretty low. The currently available plastic fellowship kit is terrible but each member of the fellowship has several different sculpts, most of which are great
I'm really excited for those trolls too!
I was hoping more for them to release Army Sets based on Arthedain, Cardolan & Rhudaur.
You sound nervous man! Good video and im excited to see these changes, even though I play mostly on tabletop sim I have a few models irl and these looks sick. The werewolves look awesome!
I was just literally thinking about MESBG today (before i was aware of the article), i didn't really play it as a youngster, despite loving the movies (Better than Star Wars) and literally being ~12 when they came out but i remember it actually felt like a new player friendly wargame not a boardgame/CCG like AoS/arguably 40k. So i was considering maybe picking up a little 'intro game' worth of minis and the rules to maybe play with my Nephew when he's a bit older. So this is actually great news for me.
It is fantastic for people looking at getting into the hobby!
I think you may have to just hold off on champions til the new year - War of the Rohirrim is coming out in december, and surely they want to produce any new models at the same time
If they are making a new edition to try and bring in new players, surely we will get more reprints or updated models right?
I’m excited for new maps and missions
New missions is close to the top of my list for what I want
Pretty excited. SUper excited for new Buhdur he has been a great ally for my Moria and cant wait for the hill trolls. Really hope Blackshields get new models and decent rules love em and take them but hard to justify them lol
If they mess up our game . Let’s stick with what we have. #originalMESBG
That is the beauty of having such a great gsme already
I'd love for them to expand on the heroic resources more. having most heroes only have 3/3/3 max doesn't make sense. Having Boromir with 6 might but Elendil, Gil-Galand, Glorfindal etc only 3 Might doesn't sit well. Also with Fate, I'd love it if your Leader's Fate can be spent to reroll priority rolls (maybe have it cost a Fate and a Will or something).
Considering that bannermer has F7 and so beats Aragon and elves there are changes that are needed. I think points wise also some heroes need to be updated. Faramir is weak base nothing good really unless your doing something like his legion
Boromir's 6 might is what makes him as a character unique. I do love the idea of having more uses for fate and will. Its super often that neither side has magic so will goes unused all game
When are all the evil angmar models going to be available to buy
Probably with the new edition
Ironically just as my local group was thinking of getting started with the game. Curious as to what it will look like.
Side note where did you get your lights?
This is perfect timing. If you just wait for it to drop you can all learn in the new edition!
The lights are Newer multi colour ones. I'm not exactly sure what model but the cost roughly $200Aud each. They have been great and I would recommend them.
I've been looking to get into mesbg. This looks like the perfect opportunity
It's a great time to get into the game!
Every profile getting a rewrite means they're all getting new points. That's why we haven't had the points values for any of the new spoiled models. If they told us the hero's were 30 or 300 points we'd realise they changed the point system. I'm convinced that's how they plan to rebalance things.
I think this would be really interesting, I actually really like this idea. At the moment there is a lot of compression of the cost of profiles between 5 and 10 points. If everything got doubled it could add more differentiation. For example a Goblin Town goblin could be 8 points, a moria goblin with spear could be 9 and an Elf with spear and shield could be 20
Hopefully season 4 can happen. It'll likely take months for the new edition to actually drop? In the meantime season 4 could be a finale for this edition in a way.
Thanks for the info and great video!
The thing I’m nervous about (as someone who’s only just started getting into the game) is that they’re going to start “modernizing” the models and releasing things in newer plastic kits the second I just bought a full army of the older metal models. Just worried about starting my first army and having it get immediately outdated by a modernized release. This wouldn’t be such an issue but I mean man GW is not inexpensive
Thanks for the comment, I wouldn't worry about this at all! I deliberately collect armies made of the older metal models because in my opinion they will always be the best models. My current project is a fully metal Uruk Hai scout force.
Me and my girlfriend got our first models and the rulebook three weeks ago 😭 I hope the new rules will be good !
Bad timing for the rulebook! But it is great timing to get into the game, this new edition should really invigorate a lot of interest
I’m hoping monsters get some love. Make them cheaper but cap on how many you can have or something like that
I totally agree. I wouldn't mind seeing a rework to brutal power attacks and desperately hope that Mordor Trolls are buffed
I fully expect a full range refresh any day now, the scale of new models has been way off from the normal plastic infantry for years now and with the phase out of first born space marines and huge sales of primaris I think GW is looking for another big wave of sales via army replacements.
A range replacement would be awesome. I think its very unlikely that we will see new plastics for a lot of the common troops but if it happens that will be great
I never got into this game because it was never clear to me how many factions there were, I never had clearly in mind the "full roster" of available armies.
There are 43 factions in the game. They are all listed in the back of the Army books a full list is:
EVIL
Angmar
Dark Denizens of Mirkwood
Goblin-town
Sharkey's Rogues
Azog's Hunters
Dark Powers of Dol Guldur
lsengard
The Trolls
Azog's Legion
Desolator of the North
Mordor
Variags of Khand
Barad-dur
The Easterlings
Moria
Corsairs ofUmbar
Far Harad
The Serpent Horde
GOOD
Army of Lake-town
Army ofThror
Arnor
The Dead of Dunharrow
Erebor Reclaimed
Fangorn
The Fellowship
The Fiefdoms
Garrison of Dale
Halls ofThranduil
The Misty Mountains
Numenor
Radagast's Alliance
The Iron Hills
The Rangers
The Kingdom of Khazad-dum
Rivendell
Lothlorien
Minas Tirith
Rohan
The Shire
Survivors of Lake-town
Thorin's Company
The White Council
Wildmen of Druadan
@@ConquestCreations Wow, what a list! Very interesting, I'm thankful for your effort
Really hope this make's it a bit more popular on the east coast. I've always wanted to get into MESBG but I never see it in any of the game stores in Charlotte. I might try to pick up some intro games on tabletop simulator if your community or others like to play on there.
Not sure what country you are in but there are communities all around the world hopefully you can find one nearby
@@ConquestCreations The United States is the only country in the world with an east coast.
If this is a joke it is a good one
Rather nervous with them revising all the main books… of their best rules set. That’s a big wallet dip. In my group we aren’t gonna switch immediately. Only thing that needs change is some tweaks, clarifications, and the toughness strength table usage(gets old checking that chart)
100% on the charts lol. One of the best changes in 40k was simplifying the wound system. Str= toughness 4s, str>t 3s str 2x or more t 2s. Opposite if T is higher than str going 5's then 6's respectively. Simple and give approximately similar results
Once you get your head around it you never need to check the charts, If Strength and defense are equal its 4's, if defense is 1 or two higher its 5's, 3 or 4 higher its 6's. After that its a 4+, 5+, 6+ for each successive additional defense. Now that I have written that it sounds lite it could be simpler but this is one that I am a big fan of
Heroic challenge, heroic channels, fight values, trolls, special strikes all need big reviews.
This is a great starting point, I would also throw the matched play scenarios in there
It's hard not to be a little apprehensive when it's a game we know and love so much but I can't see them doing a drastic overhaul for a game that isn't their prime focus and is frankly near perfect as is. I'm optimistic for the most part and anything that might encourage new players to come to middle earth is always a good thing.
I totally agree with you here. I don't think the changes will be massive and over the past few days i have thought of plenty of areas of possible improvement
I was going to buy the battle for Osgiliath box, but with this News I don’t know if i have to wait to buy the newest material, i’ll be Glad if someone Can give me an advice
Unless you are very interested in the miniatures in the Battle for Osgiliath I would wait for the new starter kit. The miniatures will always be relevant but the rule book wont be
@@ConquestCreations Thanks lad!!! I will see, btw great content!!!
The only news I want to hear is that GW are lowering their prices. I love the games, love the models but I haven't purchased a GW mini in years...third party all the way....a fraction of the price and often more dynamic minis.
Games Workshop will have bundles that come at a huge discount such as Battle Hosts and the Starter set however will not be lowering their prices across the board.
"And so begins the 40Kfying of Middle Earth. The Dark Lord made in secret a decision to release a new book two years after the last one. More would come...and 50$ for two minis was just the beginning"
Tournament as a nice goodbye to the old edition
With all the talk of another new Rulebook & Rise of Angmar coming.... Are there any books you suggest staying away from??? I've only played a game or 2 so far, but have recently bought a revised Rulebook (& now expecting to buy a re-revised Rulebook). I also have the Battle Companies, Hobbit Armies & Lord of the Rings Armies. But I'm always keeping an eye out for a deal on Defense of the North, etc. But now I'm concerned about buying ANYTHING. I expect to now be $150 USD into the Rules. And as I understand it, Pretty much ALL of the rest of my books will be trash? Thoughts???
I see the need for new armies books, to draw together all the new stuff from the various campaign books. I just hope that the changes to the system are minimal. I'd like for spearmen to contribute to the fight value of a fight. There are a few individuals who could be tweaked. Why does Helm have a great sword in the rules, but not on the model? Surely Warg riders should have war spears, rather than throwing spears. They never throw their spears in the movies and seem to use them couched, like lances. Those are the sort of little changes I'd like addressed. I don't want a huge reimagining of GW's most balanced rule system.
Having an Armies of LotR and Hobbit book with all the new profiles and the Legendary Legions in one place would be great. I am sure there will be lots of minor tweaks.
Side note spearmen do contribute their fight value
@@ConquestCreations oops. I think my group had been messing that up, regarding the spearmen as not being in the fight, for the purpose of fight value. I think this is something that changed at some point in the rules from earlier versions. Glad to know I was getting it wrong.
I am very nervous for big changes, specially in army building. I am one of the people who prefers metal over plastic, and not looking forward to be paying Ebay prices (again) to change my armies. That said, I go into it with an open mind, like I did with Flames of War. Still prefer v3 over v4, but each version has something to offer.
I am very excited about the new Angmar releases. 🤗
I totally understand being nervous. The game is in such a good place that change can be concerning but I am super optimistic about the direction it will go. I am a huge fan of metal models but they can be hard to get. On my painting desk at the moment is a full metal Uruk Hai scout army
All I want are plastic Rivendell warriors
I totally agree, I reckon they are 100% happening. The Elrond kit proved to us that they have them sculpted in plastic. I can't wait to see them
I never have played lotr tabletop game from GW, but im looking forward for more info about it. I mean, Im focused into Warhammer 40k, but Im interested about lotr if they follow the books and the original triology.
Will Grimbold finally get his horse?? 🤞
Hey mate! Huge fan of your work! If it doesn't happen in the rules you can do the best conversion of it
@@ConquestCreations ah thanks so much! Big fan of your stuff too! 🙌
If the new edition is sh*t im just staying with the old one or a fan errata will be the new unofficial official. So im not scared at all ^^
The models look sick!
Great attitude to have here
Hoping they dont change the dice rolls like they did for 40k and from fantasy to AoS
MeSGB?....how much time did it take to fuck that up?
Not sure what this comment means but the game has been the same at its core since it was first released over 20 years ago so I am fully confident that it will be true to its origins
@@ConquestCreations look at your click bait videos listings, you have as Middle earth strategy game battles....just so tired of so many bell ends not reviewing their work before posting,,,,at least you got a partial view out of it before I hung myself from boredom.
@@mikesilk4933 not really sure what you means I would recommend reviewing your comment.
As far as clickbait goes the Thumbnail is "Huge GW News" which is true, the video then backs up that by talking about the news. Does not fall into the category of clickbait in the slightest.
All good if this content isn't for you, our regular battle reports are still coming at their normal pace and all this is just extra
@@ConquestCreations www.youtube.com/@ConquestCreations
@@mikesilk4933 The one with "Bad News" Is talking about how I am loosing my studio space due to a new landlord. In this video I talk about how I am unsure of how to progress the future of the channel. I think that the thumbnail is representative of the content in that case. It also addresses how due to this the battle report schedule will be slowed down so that we are able to build a stock pile of videos to give us a buffer window to figure out our studio situation.
The other two also have thumbnails and titles directly related to the content of the video
I wonder if they'll remove even MORE flexibility in list building and maybe make things more mandatory so you can definitely never convert any minis... like all their other games...
I think that the alliance system will definitely be changing. I always prefer thematic armies so I don't think this would be a problem.
Not sure what you mean about conversions, there always has and will be opportunity to convert models in all of their games. Just think of Heresy or Necromunda
@@ConquestCreations I preferred how it used to be in the Green/Red/Blue books.
Where you could slap goblins with your orcs and add some haradrim without consultation of a graph.
The problem is GW FORCES you to only play as the films allow. They make sure you can't use imagination to make a force unless you lose bonuses (which for some are useless anyway)
And by conversions guaranteed they'll force you to take your troops as the miniatures dictate.
So I could bet money they'll force warriors of minas tirith to take shields to push using official minis to push their sales.
Similar to 40k where you build your army from boxes not from your will and freedom.
They'd hate my Gondor army is from Perry Miniatures Agincourt range
No troops over fight 4 except only elves can get fight 5 and no fight 6 elves
My guess is that the fight value system will go up to 12 instead of 10 so there can be more differentiation
I hope these models are in plastic. I could see a couple new armies in my future.
They are all confirmed to be Forgeworld Resin
Also, as per your last video with the channel and studio struggling a little, heres your big break. Get out there as the premier SBGME channel :)
This is a big opportunity for sure! I'm super excited to see where it goes
@@ConquestCreations hell yea lad. lets get this bread 💪
People seem to have forgotte how nervous people were for the current edition. Have some positivity ffs
I agree with you here. People on the internet like to be negative but I am happy to be a force against that and have some optimism and positivity
GW: We aren't making enough money! Hit the LotR buttons! Get those fans to dig deep!!!
No excitement. Just skeptical stares
I am excited about what is to come! Games Workshop is a business so they exist to make money and they do that by making awesome games and miniatures
Continue with Season 4 and just add a disclaimer, I suspect it will be minor tweaks to the games and given the cinematic quality and discussion on overall tactics - I dont think it would ruin your planned content. just my thoughts.
I have decided that I will wait for the new edition for Conquest Champions Season 4 which should give me several months to figure out the studio. In the mean time I'll have quest of the ring bearer and some other content
@@ConquestCreations good call dude! Keep up the quality content and hopefully you can find somewhere to film that’s accessible
Don't change your plans and release the Champions League. Just prep a special cake for the final champion.
If it's not broken, don't fix it.
I agree with this to some extent but I think there are plenty of opportunities to improve the game. I'll have a video coming very soon
I think they need an orginal setting one more children friendly.
Is this related to MESBG or just Warhammer in general?
@@ConquestCreations I say use the MESBG for the setting.
Praying for a pure troll army
They already announced that Burduhur and his trolls will have their own legendary legion!
I think a solid change that would count as "reworking every profile" would simply be to remove the "/" in fight value, and create a ranged accuracy stat. Whenever I teach the game, new players have such a hard time deciphering which fight number to use (its obvious, but also not).
I think that would be a good change. For new people it makes the profiles look very strange
Just film the new Champions league, we'll love it
I have decided to wait. Becuase it is going to be 11 games long the edition change would happen halfway through. I reckon as soon as we get our hands on the new edition I'll start filming it.
Please please give me armored mirkwood elves in plastic... I don't wanna pay 100 bucks per unit 😢
troll spam gang, we are so back
So weird to invalidate your long awaited supplement immediately lol. Such strange timing
It's very clear that the Rise of Angmar supplement will not be invalidated. I think it's an indication that all the supplements will still be relevant
@@ConquestCreations but they mentioned they are redoing all the previous sheets so….?
WOOOOOOOO
Aragorn f7, azog f6, bolg f5, ty
I do agree, however my guess is that the fight value system will go upto 12 instead of 10 so that all the profiles can be spread out more
I dont really want a new edition, because is much more easier to make the roles worse than better... but lets see.
Constant new editions are why I stopped playing Warhammer. I can't afford to spend tons of money on new books all the time. I finally decided to upgrade to the current version from the 2003 edition (which I own all of the books from) because there were a lot of genuine improvements. I got several friends interested in the game. They all bought rule books and now this happened... It might not be really bad but we're pretty gun-shy after expensive reboots of other games we've played in the past.
I have no issues with new stuff coming out, I just hate that GW expects me to pay a book tax to keep playing the game even if I've finally managed to collect an army.
I feel the same way. If the new edition isnt better, me and my friends will probably just stick to the old edition
Why do you buy the books then? The pdfs are easily available immediately upon release lmao.
@@Corppi22 They don't give the PDFs away for free (at least not legally). It's still a book tax even if it's 50% off. (And if you don't already have a portable device that is viable for reading pdfs, it's a lot more expensive than a book.)
@@dashsocur You know, its the people who keep buying into GWs paywalled rules that are the reason they dont just release free online pdfs like every other company. Be the change you wanna be and stop doing it. People share the rules online for a reason. The billion dollar company will be fine.
Do quest of the ring Berra instead
Love the video so excited
Quest of the Ringbearer is 100% happening
Hopefully it’s evolution not revolution,.
Given the difference between the previous editions I think it is most likely that the changes will be minor and positive
I'm not feelin it. Why mess with something already great? Idk.
Prevent stagnation. Boost sales. And maybe even improve on a couple things.
I'm nervous too, but if it sucks the old rules are still there.
We'll see. If it sucks, nothing is stopping us from all going back to the old edition
Cause between Rings of Power and War of the Rohirrim there’s increased sales, so you try to capitalize now
disapointing news more like, cant wait to be paying X2 cost for everything
It is fantastic news to get new models and more interest in the game
Last night?
Different time zone :)
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This is going to be a giant money-grab from GW. Mark my words: The new models will be the BEST models for the first couple of months, until GW has sold enough. Then nerfed to bottom tier - Just like GW has raped all their 40K fans for years. There was absolutely no reason to change anything in MESBG - any changes could have been adrressed with a simple errata.
Words marked. Games Workshop has been consistently releasing stuff with new models for the whole existence of the game, I am not sure why they would change their approach for this release specifically. Some of their released have gone straight to top tier such as the Beornings before being slightly nerfed to still being in top tier, some released have gone straight to the bottom like the Sharkeys Rouges characters, while most of them have been solidly balanced such as the new Mordor characters
I do also suppose the changes GW will introduce to the new edition will NOT disturb the game balance. Like why they should modify something that was almost perfect? I'd really hope though they could use some right reasoning and fix matters that require fixing like, e.g removing move penalty to any archers of elvish troops (well, they are elves or not? and still hit on 3+ like ANY kind of rangers troops, outriders or hobbits... really? The BEST archers in the world are not that best aren't they?) or adding extra range to elevated shooting troops (both siege engines, range units or monsters that can shoot) because atm such elevated positions have NO actual positive impact on shooting other than extra ITW test (but only if archers shoots from behind terrain piece).
The goal with every wargaming is for it to be balanced and I am sure that they are doing everything they can to make sure they are.