They are there to represent us the people. Not their buddies, not even their party. We the people chose them to represent us first. Seems alot of people are forgetting this fact.
Lol after 14 years of tories, labour finally get in and suddenly everyone is concerned about the whip system.... The trolls doth protest too much methinks
Labour MPs need to let their conscience be their guide, vote against Starmer, then get rid of him, the World doesn't need dictators and bullies in politics, especially incompetent ones like Starmer.
Solicitors don’t have a Conscience. They get Paid Win or Lose. We need Business People who know how to MAKE MONEY? Not like Labour or the last Tory MPs. Let’s have successful Business minded MP/PM.
@@geraldineperring3878 like the Reform Mps you mean ,the ones with the Common Sense who have always said what would happen. Without Secure Boarders. The People who have respect for the Elderly and less fortunate. Who also listen to the voters .!
Starmer will expel any labour mp's who vote against this . There is a large feeling of unease within the Labour party that Starmer is becoming extremely dictatorial . I'm convinced that his downfall will eventually come from within his own party
We could see the biggest rebellion ever seen in parliament. But remember, it took eleven years, before Thatcher was forced to resign. By that time the damage had been done.
Starmer is a dictator. We the people don't want them to take away the winter fuel allowance from our elderly. Threatening his own MP's for voting the way their constituents want them to is an outrage.
If 50 constituents want one thing and one thing & 50 want another how does she vote? Isn’t she also her own constituent? Doesn’t her vote matter as well? 🤔
@@davidhodgson3901They also won their seats on the party’s promise of keeping the winter fuel payments. Just look up the Labour Party protests when the Tories suggested removing them.
They have all been selected for their loyalty to the Great Smarmer, you don't support him without question then you are history! Starmer the new labour PM who makes Tony Blair look left-wing.
I disagree , we need to find out who really supports the people and not their evil leader. If they get booted , then they can change party. I think all votes in Parliament should be a secret
Don't worry, I don't think they've finished with us pensioners yet. They've got to scrap the 25% council tax discount next, then maybe free prescriptions for the over 60s and bus passes. There's so much more to get their teeth into.
@@clivet3252oh well, the next tory pm is still at Eton been schooled. You will just have to sit tight till 2034 +, to have another go at it. But yea the last 60 days where trains likey to fall back in public hands, the last hereditary peers going, renewable energy back on the agenda, likly increase in capital gains tax and strengthen of workers rights, have been totally terrible.
Any Labour MP with any decency will vote against cutting the winter fuel payment ! The MP must vote for what their constituents want, not for a dictator!
@@nigeltrigger4499they are now saying "cut" when a week or so ago they were saying "axed." They're backpedalling already. It's pathetic. Marr has no spine at all.
This "my way or the highway" way of running a party sounds like bullying to me. MP's represent their constituencies who put them in the parliamentary seat so they should be looking out for their constituents, not just voting the way they are told by Starmer.
In some ways I blame these people who always vote Labour based on tribalism and ignore the reality in front of them in many respects they get everything they deserve
If you expect reform to help the poor,you'll be waiting a long time.their plans to privatise the nhs by using insurance health care that the most people will not be able to afford is the same as the tories but quicker.they believe in small taxes which means little or no services so unless your mega rich you are a turkey voting for Xmas.
If this goes ahead then people need to get out on the streets and show the Government that this will not be tolerated. (Legal notice - Not calling for or supporting violence or riots).
No they need to abolish all the money spent on people coming into the UK who have not contributed into the system . The older generation have and they are being penalised. It's absolutely disgusting and disgraceful!
“lots of labour MPs are really unhappy about this” Just watch what happens next week. They will abstain or vote for it while telling the country that they don’t agree with it. Cowards
What Starmer seems not to realise are a few factors: That people mainly voted AGAINST Sunak,than FOR Starmer.That only 1 in 5 people voted Labour.The turnout was one of the lowest ever,so it may be only one in 7 that voted Labour,and they might turnout to vote them out next chance.Hes not there through vast public enthusiam for him.
My mum is 97.. she is cold virtually every month of the year.. her heating was turned off for two weeks during August.. what with the cost of fuel.. her bills are extortionate. The winter fuel allowance helped massively. She has a little savings but not even enough to help pay for care if she needs it.
My mum is 92 and always cold bless her, she is disabled and poor iron levels don't help. She doesn't have any savings and is panicking . We, the family, who are not well off and mostly pensioners ourselves have made a pact to all put in a little bit to ease her stress.
@@garyharvey98 sadly, I doubt any of them will - they're all too afraid of losing their well paid jobs and their heating allowance for their own homes!
Why do they get heating allowance where is the justice members of Parliament should not get heating allowance they earn enough money give it to the pensioners just pure greed with mps 😢😢pure utter shame shame shame
Whilst there are some pensioners who will suffer hardship, there are others who enjoy a very comfortable standard of living. A more targeted approach such as limiting it pensioners who are basic rate tax payers would be a fair compromise.
On principal I agreed with it. I mean it's ludicrous that Elton John, Paul McCartney etc receive a winter fuel allowance. Having said that, if people who earn slightly over the Pension support credit amount, and are going to struggle financially, then that is totally unacceptable, and the Pension support credit threshold needs to be urgently looked at, and raised.
@@nigeltrigger4499 So who voted Labour? Those who thought Starmer and Reeves could do a better job with the economy than the Tories? Those who wanted accelerated immigration? Those who wanted us to be tied to the EU's crooked, duplicitous, megalomaniac, defence programme? Those who wanted the British countryside destroyed for housing? Those who wanted winter fuel payments for pensioners scrapped? Those who wanted people locked up for putting something on social media, and actual criminals released to make room for them?
Name and shame all MP's who vote for this,old people will die because of this policy,surely as a nation and human beings this must be stopped,any Labour MP's with any integrity must vote against this.
How can you call the UK a democracy when a party imposes 100% of it's manifesto after only getting the support of 20% of the electorate? Democracy is the will of the people - not just the majority or plularity. Democracy takes account of the minority viewpoint, led by the majority. No country in the world is an actual democracy. They are pseudo-democracies that flip between viewpoints every few years to achieve balance.
Rachel reeves and keir stammer should be kicked out being nasty to pensioners heartless and disgusting very cold hearted they get they're heating allowance that should be given to pensioners government have enough money so very nasty 😢😢
This is a insult to the democratic process an MP is voted in by their constituents to represent them in parliament so to be punished when they are just doing their job is disgusting and is sticking 2 fingers up to everyone who voted for them
all mps should be named if they vote for taking the winter payments away from pensioners.The labour voters all over the country then will know what type ofMP they have voted in.
They are but it will be forgotten in a months time by the majority of the electorate, they have political memories shorter than the apocryphal goldfish.
This policy was not in their manifesto - they LIED. It’s disgraceful. I cannot understand how it is legal to bring through policies that were not in the manifesto immediately after taking office.
KEEP INUNDATING YOUR LABOUR MPs with Complaints. They don’t like having to Work. So let’s keep up the pressure on the MP’s. Ignore PM Harmer-Starmer. He will not be PM much longer! Also time to Cut back EX PM/MPs Pensions.
No but if you make sure it's big you can't remove the whip it will look ridiculous and his leadership will be into question and he's only got a low approval rating the party can have him out if he's not careful his approval rating can be used against him to get rid of him
If my Labour MP votes to scrap it he will be finished in my town,a bit like the poll tax it will finish Labour before they have even started ,totally misread the room.
I live in what was Barbara Castle’s ( later Jack Straws) constituency. We had a very competent constituency MP, Kate Hollern, who was a terrific MP for her constituents . At the GE she was supplanted by a man who stood as an Independent, his whole election bid was based on “ Free Palestine ” he has published documents which are blatantly anti semitic. It’s very worrying.
Robbing pensioners....there are many who can afford their bills but there will be hundreds of thousands just on the cusp who will not get the payment. Disgraceful.
Starmer is short sighted…. As More pensioners will end up in hospitals this winter - how will it make a saving ?! And putting the NHS under even more pressure….. 🤦♀️
What effing skills do train drivers actually need - they don't even need to steer? I'm pretty sure driving trains could EASILY be handled by computers (so called A.I.) - for a lot cheaper than train drivers are paid. Any Labour MPs that really do understand the way Two-Tier is crapping on pensioners and other ordinary working-class people, NEED TO DEFECT TO REFORM!
After saying for months “ fully costed” to then stitch up pensioners ,then let energy companies add another 10% to bills with the potential of widowers being hit by losing then 25% reduction in council tax. It’s a joke. Starmer had been bought by the unions,simple
Y'know what amuses me about all of this? Boris Johnson was exactly the same when it came to the whip particularly in the early days. He lost dozens of MPs from his ranks. And look what ended up happening to him. Never say never when there is such a clear precedent.
Labour MPs need to show some backbone. Country over party
Backbone is not synonymous with Labour ! A shiver was recently seen running through their benches frantically looking for a spine to run up ????
Wages v Country = No contests
They are the party of bad ideas
They are there to represent the constituents who voted them jn, not to obeying the 3 Stoogey Scroogies.
YES AND TO LEAVE LABOUR AND JOIN THE REFORM UK 🇬🇧 PARTY
MPS should make the right decision for the country and their constituents not for their own party gains
That takes integrity which the political class is severely lacking at the moment
But they won’t. Too scared to upset the great leader.
Who said that he was a great leader definitely not 99 percentage of Pensioners
@@alexdunn8574 That was tongue in cheek and a reference to the leaders of communist and socialist dictatorships.
Or bank balances
Calling all labour MPs.....get rid of Starmer before he sacks most of you.
Reeves, Cooper or Lammy would be his most likely replacement. I prefer Starmer to any of them.
A large number of the new Labour in name only mps 3:45 are starmer clones
SHARIA LAW ALIGNS WITH STALINS TOTALITARIANISM
Or they get sacked by the people?
@@johnfellows689 How? It's a big majority and five years before a mandatory election.
I can’t believe what I’m hearing?! They should vote without fear or favour , and not be dictated to !! …
Does your boss sometimes ask you to do things you disagree with ? It's no different for MP's.
@@jjefferyworboys8138But your bosses decision doesn’t adversely affect millions of people.
He's a bully
@@Crazybaby2409 I mean, for many bosses it actually can affect millions of people
Let's face it, it isn't new.
Hopefully the Labour mps will turn on the buffoon.
They won't they are too week.... 😂😂😂😂😂
They are too scared to do that,hes in for a long time.
WEAK.🤔
@@lascampbell1050 befor the public turn on labour?
bring it on ! That would be their safest option before the people do ?
Every MP should be able to vote the way they want without fear.
They are there to represent us the people. Not their buddies, not even their party. We the people chose them to represent us first.
Seems alot of people are forgetting this fact.
They’re supposed to represent their constituents, not starmer
@@Beherenow473 You seem to forget that all parties have the "whip " system
@@lotlot You seem to forget that all parties have the "whip " system including the Tories !!!
Lol after 14 years of tories, labour finally get in and suddenly everyone is concerned about the whip system.... The trolls doth protest too much methinks
Labour MPs need to let their conscience be their guide, vote against Starmer, then get rid of him, the World doesn't need dictators and bullies in politics, especially incompetent ones like Starmer.
Solicitors don’t have a Conscience. They get Paid Win or Lose. We need Business People who know how to MAKE MONEY? Not like Labour or the last Tory MPs. Let’s have successful Business minded MP/PM.
@@geraldineperring3878 like the Reform Mps you mean ,the ones with the Common Sense who have always said what would happen. Without Secure Boarders. The People who have respect for the Elderly and less fortunate. Who also listen to the voters .!
@@maralynmitchell8261good joke
Sociopaths do not have a conscience- another trait is pathological lying (see Hare's checklist.)
yes !!! well said
We will see how socialist and caring these Labour MPs are.
You are missing the word not on the above comment😊
Starmer will expel any labour mp's who vote against this . There is a large feeling of unease within the Labour party that Starmer is becoming extremely dictatorial . I'm convinced that his downfall will eventually come from within his own party
We could see the biggest rebellion ever seen in parliament. But remember, it took eleven years, before Thatcher was forced to resign. By that time the damage had been done.
Labour will implode before a year is up
We the people cannot wait!
@@BrianPaterson-f3i”we the people”… dear me. Where are ya? Texas? St Petersburg more like. The “people” enabled a landslide Labour government.
Starmer is a strong leader and is making hard decisions. Saying anything else just sounds like you are trying to sow the seeds of doubt (and failing).
Starmer is a dictator. We the people don't want them to take away the winter fuel allowance from our elderly. Threatening his own MP's for voting the way their constituents want them to is an outrage.
Do as your constituency wants not what labour wants , your a MP for your constituency
If 50 constituents want one thing and one thing & 50 want another how does she vote? Isn’t she also her own constituent? Doesn’t her vote matter as well? 🤔
That’s tosh. They won their seats after being backed by the party’s finances. They except the whip or else.
.. Please get real?
Remember they should represent there constituents if they don't vote them out at the next election along with two tier Keir and Rachel thieves
@@davidhodgson3901They also won their seats on the party’s promise of keeping the winter fuel payments. Just look up the Labour Party protests when the Tories suggested removing them.
Blackmail of their own MPs by the Labour Party.
Would be nice is some of our so called elected voices grew a backbone
What, and give up the gravy train, no chance.
They have all been selected for their loyalty to the Great Smarmer, you don't support him without question then you are history!
Starmer the new labour PM who makes Tony Blair look left-wing.
This policy victimising the aged is so wrong and is so immoral.
This should be a free vote. That would then be an honest vote.
I disagree , we need to find out who really supports the people and not their evil leader. If they get booted , then they can change party. I think all votes in Parliament should be a secret
Our MPs should be there voting for their constituents- ‘doing the right thing’
Then 45 of them just need to vote no confidence then hes out simple
You need 3/4 of the house to do that.. maybe I'm wrong though..
😂
.. Yeah, that's guna happen
Labour have already made a difference compared with the worse than useless Tory party.
Absolutely 💯
It should be a secret vote so they can’t be forced to back STARMER
Dictatorship
What has our democracy been denegrate to
They should speak out, they are there to speak up, whether they agree with their own party or not, it's ridiculous, What's the point of being there
Freebies and a pension for life?
The millions and millions they pump out of the country and chose to clip this payment …
Don’t remember steamer saying he would give 10 billion to foreign governments to tackle climate b/s
@@Royboy50 Only £8.6 billion left to find!
If only we had 180 or so billionaires to tax a bit more.
@@JohnPark-xf2gq .... they'd be straight off out of the country to live on their own private islands.
Don't worry, I don't think they've finished with us pensioners yet. They've got to scrap the 25% council tax discount next, then maybe free prescriptions for the over 60s and bus passes. There's so much more to get their teeth into.
Humm .. so they go after the weak and frail ! shameful 😞
MPS should stand up to what they believe is right and not be afraid of being bullied by their boss
This will ALWAYS comeback to bite Starmer and Reeves
Stalin and Theeves you mean.
The last 14 years was better than the last 60 days, yea?...
Looks like there's only going to be 2 members left in the Labour Party...
@@martywest6004 yeah
@@clivet3252oh well, the next tory pm is still at Eton been schooled. You will just have to sit tight till 2034 +, to have another go at it. But yea the last 60 days where trains likey to fall back in public hands, the last hereditary peers going, renewable energy back on the agenda, likly increase in capital gains tax and strengthen of workers rights, have been totally terrible.
This should be a free vote.
It won't be, Starmer wouldn't risk a defeat so early on.
Any Labour MP with any decency will vote against cutting the winter fuel payment ! The MP must vote for what their constituents want, not for a dictator!
The word decent destroys your argument
Bore off vlad
.. Decency???.. MPs???
Er... the Winter fuel allowance is now means tested and not "cut".
@@nigeltrigger4499they are now saying "cut" when a week or so ago they were saying "axed."
They're backpedalling already. It's pathetic. Marr has no spine at all.
I am absolutely disgusted with Labour. Why are they at war with the needy? It isn't just the pensions that are being discriminated against.
They always have been. Where's our shipbuilding, mining, automotive and steel industries? Oh yes, destroyed by greedy Labour unions.
This "my way or the highway" way of running a party sounds like bullying to me. MP's represent their constituencies who put them in the parliamentary seat so they should be looking out for their constituents, not just voting the way they are told by Starmer.
Starmer wount take criticism if you challenge him your sacked. If you voice concern about immigration your put in jail.
The Labour Party will never get back in again after what their man has done by his actions and inactions of wrongdoing.
Bot
Bots not wrong tho 😂
Starmer has made the Labour unelectable in only 8 weeks😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@andrewmurray4308 do you have data to back this claim?
@@LeftAndProud have you to deny it?
Do we have a dictator running this country ?
Not officially, but Starmer has a long history of serving the police state agenda.
Yup 👍
Yes
Yes unfortunately.
Yes and he's inept
Abstaining is cowardly, they should vote as directed by their constituents.
They vote in line with the whip or rebel and face the consequences.
OK Tory!
In some ways I blame these people who always vote Labour based on tribalism and ignore the reality in front of them in many respects they get everything they deserve
@thomasfellows4712 What if their constituents are split on an issue
I don't like Starmer.
There is nothing to like.
dont like? mmm, thats mild, so so mild but i cant write what i should to describe this evil puppet of the globalist agenda world economic forum 2030
Many people will be checking how their MP votes under this Labour government
I have written to my MP making it clear that I expect her to use her vote to help the people who voted for her! Even though I voted Reform
If you expect reform to help the poor,you'll be waiting a long time.their plans to privatise the nhs by using insurance health care that the most people will not be able to afford is the same as the tories but quicker.they believe in small taxes which means little or no services so unless your mega rich you are a turkey voting for Xmas.
Me too
Pretty short sighted of you to think that Nigel Farage would defend benefits...
I like how you felt the need to clarify that you want your MP to be nice to their voters "even though" you voted Reform.
It’s all theatre. There won’t be a revolt
All starting to unfold for the Labour party.
All those who voted for a Government with no Moral Compass should now be offering us all a sincere apology,
If they are kicked out why don’t they just leave the party and go and join another
If this goes ahead then people need to get out on the streets and show the Government that this will not be tolerated. (Legal notice - Not calling for or supporting violence or riots).
No they need to abolish all the money spent on people coming into the UK who have not contributed into the system .
The older generation have and they are being penalised.
It's absolutely disgusting and disgraceful!
Keir flick of the gestapo
That about sums him up 😊
They are also thinking of cancelling the 25% council tax reduction for widowed pensioners.
Or single people generally.
For every single occupant. It would hurt those single parents with young families far more and they would most likely have been Labour voters.
What do they think we're going to live on? Fresh air? Or is this just another step in population reduction?
I could not be more disgusted with Labour.
That's my sister an avid (or was) a Labour voter
“lots of labour MPs are really unhappy about this”
Just watch what happens next week. They will abstain or vote for it while telling the country that they don’t agree with it. Cowards
Put a motion in, that MPs will surrender there fuel allowance to be in line with there constituency
AS a pensionerI would be happy to vote for that!. 🤣😂😄....
Their personal greed won’t allow that !
Fat chance nice though
Their- belonging to eg their fuel allowance. There- a place or location eg look at Starmer over there. 👍
They the politicians should allow the pensioners to sit in their warm second homes that the taxpayers are paying for there greed knows no bounds
If we get a rise in pensions,they take one third back in tax.
They should all be independent this two party system doesn't work
Should Sir Kneel punish MPs who vote against him, or should he praise them for taking his advice of "country before party"?
What Starmer seems not to realise are a few factors: That people mainly voted AGAINST Sunak,than FOR Starmer.That only 1 in 5 people voted Labour.The turnout was one of the lowest ever,so it may be only one in 7 that voted Labour,and they might turnout to vote them out next chance.Hes not there through vast public enthusiam for him.
They should be ashamed of this policy grow a back bone reject this policy
My mum is 97.. she is cold virtually every month of the year.. her heating was turned off for two weeks during August.. what with the cost of fuel.. her bills are extortionate. The winter fuel allowance helped massively.
She has a little savings but not even enough to help pay for care if she needs it.
My mother in law was the same 🥺
My mum is 92 and always cold bless her, she is disabled and poor iron levels don't help. She doesn't have any savings and is panicking . We, the family, who are not well off and mostly pensioners ourselves have made a pact to all put in a little bit to ease her stress.
@@barbaradavies4061it’s just downright cruel. My mum has dementia too. We’re talking about pensioners who were around during the war..
Winter payments for pensioners need to be protected!!!!!!
He will tell us next , that global warming will stop it snowing so we won't be cold over the winter season.
Starmer forgot that he is the PM during PMQs! Can you believe it!
SO did the speaker. It will take a bit of time for adjustment, but only in the sense of nomenclature!
a nomen what??
Because he is a badstard
@@janetjones604 Why would you want to declare ignorance for ever, on social media?
@@Sunrise9696-v2z Words are hard right?
A vote in Parliament won't make any difference to the way the public view this petty, spiteful decision to remove the allowance
i'm saying it again.....he'll be facing a vote of no confidence the way he's going.....get the muppet gone.
We can only hope
blackmail
Let's see if MP's stand up to this, in my opinion, petty dictator and his dictator ways. Never forgive him and his chancellor and NEVER FORGET!
@@garyharvey98 sadly, I doubt any of them will - they're all too afraid of losing their well paid jobs and their heating allowance for their own homes!
People will respect these MP’s more if they vote against it regardless of them getting stripped of the whip
Vote with your conscience and sleep easy at night or be bullied and think what if for the rest of your time.
The UK did already!
And face getting voted out at the next opportunity.
Let them abstain without repercussions, Sir Keir. The right to receive the £300 cost of living payment is a human one.
So Lord sugar, And the guy who owns Witherspoon's pub's both millionaires should receive £300. 🙄
He will expel himself to a minority.
Just Him and Her 😅
Why do they get heating allowance where is the justice members of Parliament should not get heating allowance they earn enough money give it to the pensioners just pure greed with mps 😢😢pure utter shame shame shame
Tell the government to put on extra clothes like us!
Tough decisions ...am I right MPs getting heating allowance for their second homes ?? On top of their wages expenses etc???
Robbing the old age pensioners of winter fuel allowance is just downright cruel ! The lowest of the low !
Whilst there are some pensioners who will suffer hardship, there are others who enjoy a very comfortable standard of living.
A more targeted approach such as limiting it pensioners who are basic rate tax payers would be a fair compromise.
@@jjefferyworboys8138 but the rich ones pay their taxes even though they are over 70
Oh Starmer will go lower.
On principal I agreed with it. I mean it's ludicrous that Elton John, Paul McCartney etc receive a winter fuel allowance. Having said that, if people who earn slightly over the Pension support credit amount, and are going to struggle financially, then that is totally unacceptable, and the Pension support credit threshold needs to be urgently looked at, and raised.
@@jjefferyworboys8138 it would, but it would seem Reeves and Starmer aren't willing to compromise.
Anyone who voted Labour will want their MP to vote against starmer.
.. But there MP won't.. so all those who voted Labour, are very naive indeed
No they won't! Now try again and make an actual argument or shut up!
@@nigeltrigger4499.maybe you’re wrong.
@@nigeltrigger4499 So who voted Labour? Those who thought Starmer and Reeves could do a better job with the economy than the Tories? Those who wanted accelerated immigration? Those who wanted us to be tied to the EU's crooked, duplicitous, megalomaniac, defence programme? Those who wanted the British countryside destroyed for housing? Those who wanted winter fuel payments for pensioners scrapped? Those who wanted people locked up for putting something on social media, and actual criminals released to make room for them?
Not the train drivers.
Saw the welcome Starmer got when coming out to get in the car, people wont forget
Name and shame all MP's who vote for this,old people will die because of this policy,surely as a nation and human beings this must be stopped,any Labour MP's with any integrity must vote against this.
Hansard.
House of Commons votes are public record - took me seconds to find
If 4000 people die they don't have to pay their pensions anymore, this is unacceptable.
It is time to kick out keir
OK Tory :(
@@nigeltrigger4499 I am not tory I am Jeremy Corbyn guy
But - liebour would still have a majority. And look who stands behind him! Do you want him or no idea rayner?
@@nigeltrigger4499 I too am a Labour supporter. Starmer's policies are not what Labour voters want.
@@John-l3t7g LOL - nothing you have said is convincing! Try a bit harder?
E-mail your MP. It only takes a few minutes.
How can you call UK a democracy if the people. Put in power by the people are not allowed to vote the way the people want.
How can you call the UK a democracy when a party imposes 100% of it's manifesto after only getting the support of 20% of the electorate?
Democracy is the will of the people - not just the majority or plularity. Democracy takes account of the minority viewpoint, led by the majority.
No country in the world is an actual democracy. They are pseudo-democracies that flip between viewpoints every few years to achieve balance.
Rachel reeves and keir stammer should be kicked out being nasty to pensioners heartless and disgusting very cold hearted they get they're heating allowance that should be given to pensioners government have enough money so very nasty 😢😢
It's not a vote if you're not allowed to vote as you wish!
Removing the whip used to be a big move and done rarely, now Starmer does it to a handful of MPs every month
With such a large majority he has that luxury.
This is a insult to the democratic process an MP is voted in by their constituents to represent them in parliament so to be punished when they are just doing their job is disgusting and is sticking 2 fingers up to everyone who voted for them
Send Starmer a message from within. Who the help do they think they are... These people got put in by us (well not me) and should listen to the public
all mps should be named if they vote for taking the winter payments away from pensioners.The labour voters all over the country then will know what type ofMP they have voted in.
IM SICK OF THE IMMIGRANTS GETTING MORE THAN OUR CITIZENS
Hansard.
oh they will be. voting records are a matter of public record. well i say that, until the day after when Starmer will probably remove that bit of law.
They are but it will be forgotten in a months time by the majority of the electorate, they have political memories shorter than the apocryphal goldfish.
If they don't rebel about energy cuts they deserve to be sacked
Starmer whips his MPs, typical prosecutor.
This policy was not in their manifesto - they LIED. It’s disgraceful. I cannot understand how it is legal to bring through policies that were not in the manifesto immediately after taking office.
If this is the state of the English government England is as we know is lost
KEEP INUNDATING YOUR LABOUR MPs with Complaints. They don’t like having to Work. So let’s keep up the pressure on the MP’s. Ignore PM Harmer-Starmer. He will not be PM much longer! Also time to Cut back EX PM/MPs Pensions.
No but if you make sure it's big you can't remove the whip it will look ridiculous and his leadership will be into question and he's only got a low approval rating the party can have him out if he's not careful his approval rating can be used against him to get rid of him
If my Labour MP votes to scrap it he will be finished in my town,a bit like the poll tax it will finish Labour before they have even started ,totally misread the room.
So, in your world view Labour will be finished and what, replaced by the criminal Tories - go away!
😂😂😂 you voted labour
@@oldskoolraver72 And what, you want more Tory tax theft? Pillock!
I live in what was Barbara Castle’s ( later Jack Straws) constituency. We had a very competent constituency MP, Kate Hollern, who was a terrific MP for her constituents . At the GE she was supplanted by a man who stood as an Independent, his whole election bid was based on “ Free Palestine ” he has published documents which are blatantly anti semitic. It’s very worrying.
@@oldskoolraver72 no I didn't ive just got a Labour mp,not my choice
Robbing pensioners....there are many who can afford their bills but there will be hundreds of thousands just on the cusp who will not get the payment. Disgraceful.
Restrict the payment to basic rate taxpayers.
Cancel the payment for higher rate taxpayers.
@@taffyterrier
That's the most sensible idea I've heard.
It is means tested - what is your problem?
@@nigeltrigger4499I bet you’d have been as calm as this if the tories had done it eh? 😅
@@jamjam2833 Look at you trying to skew the optics. Unlucky - your corrupt Tory party didn't win!
Labour MPS that vote for hitting the pensioners should be named and shamed. Every constituency then know that these MPs need to be voted out
People should be allowed to vote how they want not forced with losing their jobs.
Are politicians having their perks pension and freebies cut .
Can we have a vote on getting Starmer out at the same time.
Just to save us all a bit it time.
Have a look on line for the petition!
Starmer is short sighted…. As More pensioners will end up in hospitals this winter - how will it make a saving ?! And putting the NHS under even more pressure….. 🤦♀️
The mps were voted in to be the voice of 1000s of their constituents, not the 1 bully in the school yard.
What effing skills do train drivers actually need - they don't even need to steer?
I'm pretty sure driving trains could EASILY be handled by computers (so called A.I.) - for a lot cheaper than train drivers are paid.
Any Labour MPs that really do understand the way Two-Tier is crapping on pensioners and other ordinary working-class people, NEED TO DEFECT TO REFORM!
Starmer and Reeves are ruling by fear and need to be soundly challenged.
Trains can be fully automated, but it is a complicated and expensive buisness. So it is usually better to have a train driver.
How is this democracy?
Wait ... WFA was not in the manifesto, and Starmer is whipping MPs?!
What was it starmer said before they got elected country first party second well I think that's out the door also.
He lies a lot
Should be a paper vote in a ballot box, in doing so there would be no comeback for Labour MP’s.
They say pensioners will get more money next year - will the power companies wait for a year for the bills to be paid?
After saying for months “ fully costed” to then stitch up pensioners ,then let energy companies add another 10% to bills with the potential of widowers being hit by losing then 25% reduction in council tax. It’s a joke. Starmer had been bought by the unions,simple
That’s because he couldn’t lie straight in bed.
Protected his own pension and using the peoples money to pay for his own heating in 2nd houses. Diabolical.😡
@@barbaradavies4061 He is a typical socialist - look after number one.
@@staceyleeellis9160 Like most politicians he is a lying two faced hypocrite who only cares about himself.
"Labour will be a steady ship " said Andrew Marr when Labour won ........
Cut the overpaid Parliamentarians salaries, their free energy and other perks, and give it to Pensioners
Y'know what amuses me about all of this? Boris Johnson was exactly the same when it came to the whip particularly in the early days. He lost dozens of MPs from his ranks. And look what ended up happening to him. Never say never when there is such a clear precedent.
According to the Sunday Papers a lot of MPs like been whipped