Jareth, I can’t thank you enough for working with me on my Source. What a wholly positive experience -- thank you, too, for the demo/tutorial. Your demo videos far exceed the instruction I personally gleaned from the owner's manual. I will vigilantly maintain the unit (which was purchased about 15 months ago from the nephew of the original owner, who kept it in a climate-controlled storage unit for *several* years before consenting to sell).
Your very much welcome Dave, I greatly appreciate the feedback on your experience during this process. Cool to know the history as well. Thanks again!!
Great job as usual. God that thing sounds incredible! It's got the sound of my vintage Minimoog D ! The patch editing looks a bit tedious though with that single encoder... Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Great video Jareth.!!! From anyone interested, it would have been nice to have shown, the inside of it, with just a brief walk around, of the circuit boards, etc.
Liked and subbed.Thanks for the demo.Great Job bringing it back to like new.Sounds Awesome! Sounding Great down here in my small home studio.Those lows sound So Good. Best Regards..
Wonderful instrument to own if you are primarily a collector. If making music is the priority the much newer and vastly preferable (IMHO) Little Phatty can be had for less than half as much. I will NEVER understand why they did not make a 6 voice version of that synth; particularly as Dave Smith had shown the demand for such by then.
These vintage synths are still workhorses for many studios. The Little Phatty is great as well but the vintage moogs are a bit more raw sounding. I will say the Little Phatty is the best sounding modern moog though, I have a stage 1 that I have spent many many years with.
@@synthpro for me if this were the budget range for a pro grade workhorse of this general type of mono with patch storage a new SE-3X would be hard not to choose over one of these even in the best condition. Same goes for a vintage or new mini vs. their V30. None of that takes away from how cool this thing is. SE is amazing in large part because of these designs the spirit of which they keep alive better than anyone else building today including Moog IMHO.
@@klstay SE is alright but to me the sound doesn't quite have the presence as the vintage moogs, (of course I'm spoiled to early minimoogs at this point which not even later minimoogs sound like them). The spirit SE had originally was destroy minimoogs to make MIDI racks but the envelopes they built didn't have the same response as the moog. When they started making their own boards, they used clones of the rev 3 oscillator which in my opinion were way too smooth due to lack of phasing.... they were so accurate both in calibration and thermal accuracy that it felt more like a Arp. They also used the later moog ladder filter where they were no longer fully discrete, (this saved room and component count of course but modulars/minimoog/Sonic six were the only models to be completely discrete) To be honest as far as new synths, I'm more interested in what Behringer is doing. I absolutely love the System 55. Build quality is not bad either. Vintage will always be king though because they are 100% serviceable. Most new gear is planned obsolescence and companies don't make calibration/service documentation so once companies stop supporting them, they could become paperweights.
@@synthpro OK sure, if one has access to a maintained early mini not far removed from the 904A nothing will touch that. Yes, SE envelopes have been know as "other than" snappy. I still feel of anything being made today they are by far the most "servicable" designs and as close as anything new gets still usable vintage kit. (Perhaps Analogue Solutions and Schmidt could argue that?) These days retired on a fixed income means the hobby mates best with what Behringer is doing. Their Model D would be my favorite bang for buck if not for the Cat which is overlooked way too much. I reach for it far more frequently.
@@klstay yeah, can't beat the early minimoogs, of course being a electronics tech is an advantage....I do tend to forget about none tech people/musicians sometimes. I always think of vintage vs new synths like cars. You drive vintage cars, you have to occasionally make slight adjustments here and there especially carbureted engines. New synths are like new cars....have a problem just update firmware. I have actually worked for Schmidt, Great people. They actually invited me to Germany and I spent about 2 weeks there...was a fantastic time.
Lovely synth. Sonically, I find it closer to the model d. I have both and this lovely machine holds up really well. Sounds a bit brighter to my ears. It’s got the lovely overdrive on the filter and it’s really got the funk factor. Amazing synth. Thanks for demo
I agree, it's similar in tone to the minimoog and the envelopes are spot on in the punch they can deliver, (may even be a bit more punchy than the D) the punchy envelopes are lacking on some of the other moog models.
@@synthpro couldn’t agree more. Yes I would say that the envelope could very well be superior, being a more traditional ADSR. Lightning fast attack. I think the Source lacks some of the lower-mid warmth and magic of the D but it’s just as funky! I’ve always loved the look too :)
Someone is offering me a Source and it has the Encore upgrade. I have owned one, many years ago, but wondered if you would mind please offering advice on what to look for, red flags and so on. I have heard about a Crazy Source issue, and know the membrane can fail too. Any help is appreciated, supposed to be looking at the synth in a couple of days from now. Thanks. PS, just subscribed and liked, I really like your channel and the way you present content.
Looked at that Source for sale today, it's in good condition BUT it has a weird almost flaky looking aluminium rash, not like the silky looking surface you should see on the silver areas of the casing in this video. It's hard to explain, but it looks almost like the lacquer (or whatever was used to make the surface look smooth and shiny) has somehow gone rough underneath all that. Is there a way to restore it to the original look, as in this video?
Hi Mark, sorry for the delay. That finish on these are bad about corrosion. There is in fact a laminate over the aluminum chassis and if it gets scraped it can lead to oxidation especially in situations where the instrument is in a more humid environment.
@@synthpro Thanks for your reply. From what I read it looks like there's not really a fix for the problem, such a shame as the rest of it was in very good shape; it would drive me mad to see all that flaking every time I saw it in the studio.
I'm hearing rather loud, extremely clicky transients when the envelopes are actually set to make them. The patches in the memory just aren't set to make them very much. BTW, by sinusoidal do you mean nasal for overall timbre? Or are you simply commenting on the times he gets a sine wave out of the filter?
Jareth, I can’t thank you enough for working with me on my Source. What a wholly positive experience -- thank you, too, for the demo/tutorial. Your demo videos far exceed the instruction I personally gleaned from the owner's manual. I will vigilantly maintain the unit (which was purchased about 15 months ago from the nephew of the original owner, who kept it in a climate-controlled storage unit for *several* years before consenting to sell).
Your very much welcome Dave, I greatly appreciate the feedback on your experience during this process. Cool to know the history as well.
Thanks again!!
A Moog is a Moog is a Moog... It seems that you can`t go wrong with any of the models. Good work!
I really enjoyed your explanation of the interface. Thank you.
The most beautiful Moog for me .
Great job
I used to have a Source, used in my friend's band back in the late 90s, but had to sell it in the early 2000s. :(
This is one synth I’ve never had a chance to play myself, so thanks a lot for your excellent presentation, much appreciated!
Looks and sounds amazing as always!
Great job as usual. God that thing sounds incredible! It's got the sound of my vintage Minimoog D ! The patch editing looks a bit tedious though with that single encoder... Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Amazing Demo, Great Job...!
@@brucewayne-cave thank you!
As always Jareth.....Great care!!
Great video Jareth.!!! From anyone interested, it would have been nice to have shown, the inside of it, with just a brief walk around, of the circuit boards, etc.
Thanks. I will definitely do that next video.
Just watch Bobby's restoration.
Great video. Thanks for all your care and attention. I have learned a great deal about the inner workings. Any more System 55 videos planned? Cheers
Thank you very much. I do have some more system 55 stuff coming up soon. About to make more modifications.
thats great. Look forward to it. Cheers@@synthpro
My favourite of all Moog synths ever produced. Shame you can no longer get the Encore Electronics upgrade, loads of storage for sounds.
Liked and subbed.Thanks for the demo.Great Job bringing it back to like new.Sounds Awesome! Sounding Great down here in my small home studio.Those lows sound So Good. Best Regards..
Thank you very much!!
Wonderful instrument to own if you are primarily a collector. If making music is the priority the much newer and vastly preferable (IMHO) Little Phatty can be had for less than half as much. I will NEVER understand why they did not make a 6 voice version of that synth; particularly as Dave Smith had shown the demand for such by then.
These vintage synths are still workhorses for many studios. The Little Phatty is great as well but the vintage moogs are a bit more raw sounding. I will say the Little Phatty is the best sounding modern moog though, I have a stage 1 that I have spent many many years with.
@@synthpro for me if this were the budget range for a pro grade workhorse of this general type of mono with patch storage a new SE-3X would be hard not to choose over one of these even in the best condition. Same goes for a vintage or new mini vs. their V30. None of that takes away from how cool this thing is. SE is amazing in large part because of these designs the spirit of which they keep alive better than anyone else building today including Moog IMHO.
@@klstay SE is alright but to me the sound doesn't quite have the presence as the vintage moogs, (of course I'm spoiled to early minimoogs at this point which not even later minimoogs sound like them). The spirit SE had originally was destroy minimoogs to make MIDI racks but the envelopes they built didn't have the same response as the moog. When they started making their own boards, they used clones of the rev 3 oscillator which in my opinion were way too smooth due to lack of phasing.... they were so accurate both in calibration and thermal accuracy that it felt more like a Arp. They also used the later moog ladder filter where they were no longer fully discrete, (this saved room and component count of course but modulars/minimoog/Sonic six were the only models to be completely discrete)
To be honest as far as new synths, I'm more interested in what Behringer is doing. I absolutely love the System 55. Build quality is not bad either. Vintage will always be king though because they are 100% serviceable. Most new gear is planned obsolescence and companies don't make calibration/service documentation so once companies stop supporting them, they could become paperweights.
@@synthpro OK sure, if one has access to a maintained early mini not far removed from the 904A nothing will touch that. Yes, SE envelopes have been know as "other than" snappy. I still feel of anything being made today they are by far the most "servicable" designs and as close as anything new gets still usable vintage kit. (Perhaps Analogue Solutions and Schmidt could argue that?) These days retired on a fixed income means the hobby mates best with what Behringer is doing. Their Model D would be my favorite bang for buck if not for the Cat which is overlooked way too much. I reach for it far more frequently.
@@klstay yeah, can't beat the early minimoogs, of course being a electronics tech is an advantage....I do tend to forget about none tech people/musicians sometimes. I always think of vintage vs new synths like cars. You drive vintage cars, you have to occasionally make slight adjustments here and there especially carbureted engines. New synths are like new cars....have a problem just update firmware.
I have actually worked for Schmidt, Great people. They actually invited me to Germany and I spent about 2 weeks there...was a fantastic time.
Lovely synth. Sonically, I find it closer to the model d. I have both and this lovely machine holds up really well. Sounds a bit brighter to my ears. It’s got the lovely overdrive on the filter and it’s really got the funk factor. Amazing synth. Thanks for demo
I agree, it's similar in tone to the minimoog and the envelopes are spot on in the punch they can deliver, (may even be a bit more punchy than the D) the punchy envelopes are lacking on some of the other moog models.
@@synthpro couldn’t agree more. Yes I would say that the envelope could very well be superior, being a more traditional ADSR. Lightning fast attack. I think the Source lacks some of the lower-mid warmth and magic of the D but it’s just as funky! I’ve always loved the look too :)
it does really look like it just came from the shop
Still got no.1532
So.Damn.Pretty.
Madonna used this for a lot of her bass lines ………..solid, deep.
Someone is offering me a Source and it has the Encore upgrade. I have owned one, many years ago, but wondered if you would mind please offering advice on what to look for, red flags and so on. I have heard about a Crazy Source issue, and know the membrane can fail too. Any help is appreciated, supposed to be looking at the synth in a couple of days from now. Thanks. PS, just subscribed and liked, I really like your channel and the way you present content.
Looked at that Source for sale today, it's in good condition BUT it has a weird almost flaky looking aluminium rash, not like the silky looking surface you should see on the silver areas of the casing in this video. It's hard to explain, but it looks almost like the lacquer (or whatever was used to make the surface look smooth and shiny) has somehow gone rough underneath all that. Is there a way to restore it to the original look, as in this video?
Hi Mark, sorry for the delay. That finish on these are bad about corrosion. There is in fact a laminate over the aluminum chassis and if it gets scraped it can lead to oxidation especially in situations where the instrument is in a more humid environment.
@@synthpro Thanks for your reply. From what I read it looks like there's not really a fix for the problem, such a shame as the rest of it was in very good shape; it would drive me mad to see all that flaking every time I saw it in the studio.
Weren't those sold by Radio Shack?
Not this model. You are thinking of the Realistic/moog MG-1. It was similar to the Rogue but surprisingly a bit better than the Rogue.
@@synthpro thanks!
Their wayyyy over priced tho. That’s my problem…. I’d rather havev2 b stock technics. Than some old guffy fart prodigy style bass
They are definitely not cheap but nothing is these days in the vintage market.
It sounds as empty and sinusoidal as that old PIF Soviet children's synth. For me it's unpleasant to listen to, so devoid of transients...
I'm hearing rather loud, extremely clicky transients when the envelopes are actually set to make them. The patches in the memory just aren't set to make them very much.
BTW, by sinusoidal do you mean nasal for overall timbre? Or are you simply commenting on the times he gets a sine wave out of the filter?