The Battle of Unnumbered Tears | Of the Battle for Beleriand : Silmarillion Explained - Part 3 of 3
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How horrifying to be a surviving soldier of Fingon, fleeing to Gondolin with Turgon's forces, knowing your homeland of Hithlum is entirely unprotected and doom will come to your family. Dark stuff.
On time and point 🎉
Tolkien has a talent for naming things, I mean my god. 'Battle of Unnumbered Tears" and he can put it to you in a half dozen languages he made up his own self. I have never even heard of a more raw man in this life
You have to remember that Sir Tolkien participated in WW1 The Battle of Somme and I am certain many others and most of these battles were done in trenches and such atrocities that are unspeakable so I am convinced that the Battles he personally saw and participated in were full of tears beyond count....
He lived through ww1, so some of this he saw and touched
Yup
What makes Maedhros so interesting is that he is the most human of all the elves. His character evolves and devolves. He is also conflicted, balancing the darkness and light.
I agree, most of the elves are a bit too perfect to be really interesting as characters. The ones who show flaws are the ones who are compelling characters, like Maedhros, Galadriel, even Maeglin in some iterations (some of the versions of Maeglin are just total cowardly losers though).
Maedhros is easily my favorite elf king. Getting his right hand cut off, learning how to fight better with his left, and becoming a pale, terrifying, almost vampirish killer is just so badass.
@@orirune3079 I love Feanor, Maedhros, Maeglor etc., and my heart breaks for the latter two especially. But I find Fingolfin, Fingon, Finrod, Glorfindel and Beleg (just to name a few) equally compelling. Maybe it's Tolkien who knows how to write the "good" guys, which I think it's difficult to do.
If you're wondering why this video sounds like it was recorded in the mines of Moria, I made it on the hottest day ever recorded in the UK. If I hadn't recorded it in the echoey kitchen, it would not have been made 🙂
The only thing I dislike about your videos is that they eventually end…
Amazing work
That and his audio can be quite low.
Totally.
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Tolkien Untangled is my favorite Tolkien channel!
I wanted to make a comment on this video but you have nailed it.
Remmeber when you where a child and your parents read to you bedtime stories with passion. This is like that. Everytime i watch the videos i get taken away with a storm of the passion of dave when he talks that i feel the story like if i was daydreaming. I can see it infront of my eyes. That really shows how powerful dave is in his story telling. The videos are such a high value and quality it's uncompareable, One of a kind. Undescribeable! After each end i get like a smal kind just wanting more and more and more. Really great job, its undesribeable your super talented please do never stop your passion! You inspire all your fans and J.R.R tolkien fans. It's even better then watching the movies honestly!
Yes, I get vivid images too.
I really agree with your last sentence! I always see more and know more when I watch the movies now. 🙌🏻
In my opinion, there is no greater single feat in the entire legendarium than Hurin’s defiance of Morgoth. Not even Frodo’s bearing of the Ring to Mt Doom compares with him. First of all, there is his epic last stand, which is impressive in its own right, but that pales in comparison to what comes next. Morgoth tried to daunt Hurin with his terrible eyes, but Hurin would not give way. Keep in mind that most of the Eldar who were captured failed this first test and became thralls of Morgoth. These were elves who had seen the light of the trees and Manwe himself. I was really hoping you would quote this passage directly, because Hurin’s conversation with Morgoth is one of my favorite things that Tolkien ever wrote.
"Blind you are Morgoth Bauglir, and blind shall ever be, seeing only the dark. You know not what rules the hearts of Men, and if you knew you could not give it. But a fool is he who accepts what Morgoth offers. You will take first the price and then withhold the promise; and I should get only death, if I told you what you ask."
Then Morgoth laughed, and he said: "Death you may yet crave from me as a boon." Then he took Hurin to the Haudh-en-Nirnaeth, and it was then new-built and the reek of death was upon it; and Morgoth set Hurin upon its top and bade him look west towards Hithlum, and think of his wife and his son and other kin. "For they dwell now in my realm," said Morgoth, "and they are at my mercy."
"You have none," answered Hurin.
What an absolute savage Hurin is! No one else in the entire legendarium comes close, not Earendil, not Frodo, nobody. And before anyone counters by saying all that Hurin earned through his actions was the curse of Morgoth upon his family, I will remind you of the Second Doom of Mandos and the Dagor Dagorath, which I choose to believe is a Ragnarok/Armageddon style prophecied ending of the world, where certain things are known to occur beforehand. In such prophecies we are told that Morgoth, the first and foulest of all creations, will be slain once and for all by Turin Turambar!!! As always, Eru raises up Morgoth’s own theme against him to defeat him. Perfect Tolkien.
Great work man loved the quote of Morgoth and Hurin great work. Love long detailed replies
What can be said about your amazing videos that hasn’t already been said? This series isn’t just a summary- you explore the context, connections and themes - it makes your channel so essential. The freedom of Men - the free will seems so important in the lore and in real world faith - people are the X factor - they have nothing but faith - no certainty of fate or reward for being honorable make Men so special despite being mortal - Hurin’s conversation with Morgoth is my favorite - I cannot wait for the Children of Hurin series - I hope you expand on that dialogue
I wouldn't be surprised if rainbow Dave revealed himself to be an English teacher or literature professor or someone else very experienced in explaining complicated stories in layman's terms.
Here s one thing that can be said. Why the hell isn't this guy rich? Why doesn't he have a sponsor?
There s people on this platform makkng money by watching other people' s videos
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Me finding out the treachery didn't come from Celegorm and Curufin: *surprised Pikachu face*
Of course it was Men who ruined everything. It’s always Men who do that.
In the book, this was an absolutely crushing moment. They came so close to winning. Tolkien in the Silmarillion is just about as ruthless to the reader as George RR Martin ever was.
Your channel is the Silmaril that Earendil wears upon his Brow, bringing ever clearer light on the masterwork genius of Tolkien's ode.
So ready now to listen to your account of The Children of Hurin, thanking you again for this amazing series of the Battle of Unnumbered Tears!
I really like your comments about Huor and his wife and about Maedros and his psychological state after the battle, and the way this battle changed him. The way Tolkien told his story left little room for the emotional exploration of his characters,their sorrows, the PTSD they must have suffered after the battles. That is why it is such a pity that the new series The Rings of Power appears to be a glorified fanfiction: it could have given us a more personal look into the lives of all those characters. And I really really love the way you use the word badass: a badge of honour!
This is the absolute BEST Tolkien channel. I am watching all your videos from the beginning so I'm not quite ready for this one, but I thank you very much for continuing to share your knowledge and insights.
Have you read the LotR`s? You will learn everything that Tolkien wrote and see it all in your own mind. You won`t see the characters as presented here, but you see them as your mind does. The Silmarillion is epic ,and it is like learning real history. This channel is great for sure, but I like to view what everyone looks like and takes shape in your mind.
@Gib59er absolutely Gibs. Most folks don't come here to be shown what characters look like but to revisit what they already read, or to remember something that they forgot, maybe to learn something that they missed and to hear what another's take may be. I think it's great. When I read LOTR'S, Silmarrilion, unfinished tales and some of HoME the first timeS, youtube didn't exist.
I’ve been binging his videos from the beginning too! Amazing way to pass the time while I edit photos. 🙌🏻
I just binged all of these starting with your first video and I must say, this is my absolute favorite channel! You have turned me from a fan of the Lord of the Rings into a fan of the world of Tolkien! Now I’m officially obsessed and have started reading the Silmarillion, ordered the 3 great tales and am learning more every day. Thank you for opening my eyes to the incredible Legendarium and for kickstarting what will definitely be a life long passion and love for ALL of Tolkien. ❤
You have one of the most underrated Tolkien channels that are out there. Everything is just amazing.
Thanks very much!
My heart breaks for Maedhros at this point in the story. Talk about survivor's guilt! If his captivity & rescue mark the first big turning point in his character arc, then I would call this the second. Ever since establishing Himring, he has fought fiercely on the front lines against Morgoth, gladly putting himself in the position of greatest danger. But at the end of the Battle that he urged, he's still alive - and nearly everyone who followed him is dead. It is indeed a darker Maedhros whom we see from here on out.
The beginning of the end. Tears unnumbered, oh the deceit and the grief. Thanks for this video 🌞
What?? I literally just finished watching Part 2 and still reeling from all the emotes when the notif came. I can't handle this right now. Saving this video for another day, but thank you for this in advance!🤘🏼
Wow, just WOW. You have such a great understanding of the text, it just blows my mind. Your videos are a joy. Thank you!
I've just finished working my way through your Silmarillion playlists. You've inspired me to read it for myself. Thanks!
That's so awesome! I really hope you enjoy it!
@@tolkienuntangled Slow going, but so far it's pretty entertaining.
interesting parallels between the last stand of Huor and Hurin and 1066 England...yes, King Harold and the arrow thru the eye at Hastings (disputed accuracy now but accepted at the time of authoring the Silmarillion), but also the lesser taught Battle of Stanford Bridge earlier that year. The annuls record that one Beserker held the Bridge by himself, with a 2 handed Dane axe, slaying 40 before eventually falling; its regarded as the last act of the viking age
I really like your troll theory, that makes perfect sense with the time and place.
I am thrilled that you included the artwork of Kimberly80. She does amazing work in a subject we all love, and her portrait of Hurin Thalion is my favorite.
I love her style!
@@maryeckel9682 I've read The Silmarillion so many times, I've lost count. I know the characters in the book like family. To me, Kimberly80 captures exactly who these characters are, in one still portrait. Amazing!
The oath of Fëanor led Maedhros to accept the treachery of Ulfang and his sons into his ranks. In his quest to rid middle-earth of the dark lord Morgoth, and his desire to reclaim the remaining silmarils, Maedhros pulled all he could in, and Morgoth knew that his spies could easily slip into the ranks.
I mean blame Caranthir, they were of his host.
This three part series is such a treat. I have not seen anyone best the way you have explained and ‘untangled’ the threads of so much of Tolkien’s brilliant Silmarillion. I am really looking forward to your Children of Hùrin series. This tale, I agree, is the saddest and most tragic tale in all the Silmarillion. Thanks for all your hard work so far @Rainbow Dave 😀♥️
An awesome video to listen to while I’m at work(or at anytime). These make my Fridays all the better. Thank you for your hard work, RD.
Same!
Same!
Same here. Makes Fridays fly by.
Especially when he has 3 or 4 videos on a subject in a playlist.
@@SkywalkerSamadhi Agreed.
It's very listenable and I think it varies by person, but I simply digest Dave's content better. And the topics are well chosen.
My lazy friday has started off to a great start! cheers RD!
Been rereading the silmarillion and lotr. Been loving your videos to help me organize some of the names and connections between characters and regions. Been listening while at work!!
Same for me - embarrassed to admit - I often got Fingolfin and Fingon mixed up before - but thanks to this series I finally got house of Fingolfin straight in my head and what period each were High King
Im glad your back i liked last video well i like all of them but thank you love your channel i love tolkien and you nail it every time. Best tolkien channel. I never tell anyone to subscribe to anyone but subscribe so we get more
As always, excellent content and story-telling abilities! I noticed an additional interesting little detail that Huor's prophesy includes "This I say to you, Lord, *with the eyes of death*" and then shortly thereafter he receives an arrow to the eye.
It’s like sitting round a fire and being told story’s by a skald. Love your work
The treachery of Ulfang is akin to the treachery of Stanley at the battle of Bosworth, when Richart III was killed.
I am new to your channel. I love how you’ve laid out the Silmarillion in your playlists - they are easy to understand and remember especially the different and convoluted storylines and character arcs, you have a great voice and storytelling style and most of all the intelligent insights/analysis you share make your videos stand out from all the rest of Tolkien channels! I look forward to the next stages of the First Age after this video!
Well met RD! You've made Friday my favorite day once again. Keep up the great work Mellon. ECTHELION!!
P.S. "The day shall come again!"
My dear Mellon. I love your videos. It is magical to watch and hear the tales of Beleriand I used to read.
Thank you friend!
I have watched some of your videos and I have to admit I am quite impressed
I believe you are underrated and you deserve more subs
These informative videos are great to listen to and watch
Keep up the good work , you're doing great
lol "quite impressed"...Lose the "quite". Just be impressed! Unless you are JRR Tolkien reincarnated in which case carry on admitting being quite impressed.
No malice intended...I have issues.
@@jugulator0 It's ok ,thank you for the feedback . Have wonderful day or a wonderful night
@@WaltuhGaming1 And to you good sir!
Amazing in-depth narration/explanation of this epic battle series - cheers dude & keep up the fine work 👍!
Amazing series! Can't wait to be sad for 10 fridays in a roll for The children of Hurin!
I just can't wait until I go to gym in 2 hours and listen to that video. You are amazing, I know the whole story of Professor Tolkien legendarium, but still I listen to Your videos with passion.
YES RAINBOW DAVE!
I’ve binged ALL of your videos in the last week or 2, been waiting for this one! Love everything you do, and can’t wait to learn what happens next!
Thank you soooo much for your time and beautiful detailing of Tolkien's work. Honestly, you should be reached out by Prime or anyone who needs your insights on making future movies or series. Well done! *Chef's kiss*
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it.
Just when I think I have a handle on the the whole story, I don't. 😂 But luckily you are here to expand and explain. So grateful 😁
Great video! I've been watching your videos pretty much everyday for the last couple months and love them! Can't wait for when you do the "Of the Children of Hurin"!
Thank you! I too am very excited for Children of Húrin!
You are the ultimate gem Dave. Thank you for these videos
Amazing video, maybe the best yet, this is one of the highlights of Tolkien's legendarium, fascinating storyelling.
As always a great video combining story and Tolkien insights! Love your choice of fan art, your narration and background info.
Excellent! I always look forward to spending my weekly hour with you. These videos get me excited to read the Silmarilion for myself.
You've done it again, Dave. Absolutely unparalleled storytelling. Thank you so much for what you do!
Thank you for your continued efforts and dedication to explaining and sharing the beauty you see in Tolkien's writings
A very impressive and insightful series.
That's just the best part of Tolkiens writing for me. As messed up as the world is there are still such things as hope and love left out there. Not to be perfect but to grow and become stronger, become better. Flawed characters with a good heart. Things like undying loyalty, true friendship and eternal love. Things we wish for and dream about. Maedhros, Boromir, Sam, beren/luthien and huan really stands out to me personally
Really enjoying this series!
Yyyeeeessss, thank you for the long vid and all your efforts.
Do I watch this now ... or wait until the weekend when I can afford to feel utterly bereft and unable to leave my bed? Well, I at least need to make sure I have plenty of ice cream in the freezer before hitting Play. Comfort food will be needed during and, more importantly, after this video.
Amazing video! Can't wait for the Children of Húrin series!!
Already waiting for the next series!
The being shot in the eye is part of Irish Mythology too as are shape shifting faeries I’m sure there’s probably a version in Norse mythology too
Looking forward to this Dave later. You have such a passion for it and when you've done this 'mini story' of this battle has made it epic.
Well enjoyed Davie 👍👍
But RD, you always leave me with happy and warm feelings everytime you upload. Been waiting for this soooo much. Thank you.
Another great video, I love your deep dives they're very interesting
This is where things get really depressing in the Silmarillion. And by the time Morgoth is defeated most of the magic and greatness is gone, and it's never coming back
Wow I originally put these longer videos on to go to sleep because I couldn't follow most longer lore videos anyways. But I just binged your 1st age playlists in a couple days. Realizing it took 2 years makes me sad that you aren't already done up to the 3rd age haha and excited to be on this journey now! Thanks for bringing all this amazing story to life!
I propose a drinking game...take a slug every time Rainbow Dave says 'badass'
Thank you for this video RD!! I needed something *excellent* to watch on this Friday evening and here it is! (As dark as the subject matter is here, it is still more cheerful than any of the recent cast interview videos from the Rings of Power that keep popping up in my recommend feed🤷) I just want to hear about Tolkien! Thank you
I really want more videos explaining of the battles before and after this, all of the battles in the silmarillion summarized and organized in an easy way to find, this was really good. If by any chance the playlist exists and I cant find it I'd appreciate hints.
God damn I'm so excited about the upcoming videos, these were as amazing as always
Another amazing video! I was listening to it (again), and it occurred to me - some of the WWI poetry I remember referenced gas masks, I think it was invented for WWI? And I wonder if those inspired the fireproof masks of the dwarves.
Entirely possible!
I wish I found your channel much sooner. All of your videos are fantastic. Keep it up brother!
Man you really do make my favorite videos out of everyone out there on this subject, and I want to thank you so much, you rock! 🤘
Listening to the Silmarillion for the first time (because I'm too scared I won't get through actually reading it) and your videos are helping a lot with remembering names an relations. Le fael mellon
This content is deeply appreciated, I can't wait for the war of wrath and the sundering of Beleriand and the fate of the silmarils and well y'know everything
Stay groovy!
Enjoying this series a lot! Looking forward for more to come :)
you have the gift of storytelling dude, i was gonna read Sil's again after the TV fiasco we just had but now i've decided to stick with your channel cause you really know how to tell them, i'll read the book later. i will.
YES!! I'm a little late, but soooo excited!! This is one of the most incredible battles!
SUCH an excellent video! I pretty much know most of the 1st Age story byheart by now but your videos are always a delight to watch.
Looking forward to the Children of Hurin though I would lay a substantial wager we view things differently :D (I tend to blame the human traits more than the curse for all the befell Hurin's family and himself than others do).
As always, absolutely loved it! Thank you very much! ❤❤
I adore these ever so much! Looking forward to the next set!
Your narration and storytelling skills are off the charts my friend! I love your work!😊😊🌟🌟👏👏
I really love your videos! Keep it up!
Thank you for the Best Tolkien videos on UA-cam
Absolutely wonderful narration. Thank you
Amazing video my friend, can wait for the next story, one of my favorites in the entire Legendarium.
Thank you, I really appreciate your work Dave
PS: I was thinking, I start watching the video with 4770 views, when I finished is at 5400, is incredible to think all those people experience and enjoyed this truly great story at the same time as me :)
Thanks! That's awesome.
I don't know why, but of all Tolkien's wonderful language, I find the phrase 'Nirnaeth Arnoediad' particularly magical and fascinating. I've listened to Rainbow Dave saying it over and over, in the hope of grasping the pronouciation. The nearest I can come to (from the perspective of English words) is Near-nigh-eth Are-no-ee-dee-add. Does that sound about right? Is there a better way to say it?
It is my goal to one day casually and comfortably slip this fabulous phrase into a conversation (imagine that lol). When that great day comes, I would like to say it right ;)
Love the new intro and I can’t wait for the children of hurin series
I enjoyed this video and all the ones before it, when it comes to the First Age ones you have.
I watched/ listened to them all and there is only one thing to say "Thank you!", now I know more than ever about Tolkien's Legendarium and and finally fell in love with it. It's truly awesome., especially 'Beren and Luthien'
Ni 'lassui En
Keep up this glorious work that you do and I can't wait to experience some more
This holiday is not at all as planned… Ill child, and now torn Liga,entspannt in an already weak knee of mine….🥺🥺. …..BUT! Rainbow Dave sends a beacon of hope! A video to utterly enjoy! All will be well in the end💪🏻
Ligament
Very sorry to hear that, I hope things are getting better with your kid and your knee.
The wind out of the west feels very “thoughts and prayers” considering manwe did absolutely nothing to redress this
And of course they blame the Noldor for it.
@@MrBrendanRizzo yup, the fate of the noldor is so over the top and cruel, I have a hard time seeing the valar as the good guys
They made their bed. They had to lie in it. You should read some of Tolkiens extra writings in Morgoths Ring for his explanation of the Valar's motivation.
@@waltonsmith7210 that doesn’t hold water, even if you think the noldor deserved this, what crimes are the edain guilty of? What crimes were the sindar elves guilty of? What crimes were the dwarves guilty of? What crimes were the easterlings guilty of? Especially since it really isn’t their bed, manwe chose to free Melkor to begin with
You are a true artist with you words, great series 💚♥️🔥
O man. I have binge watched all your Simallirion videos up to this one. And I am on the edge, wanting, craving more 😊 Amazing videos and storytelling 🙌
Turin Turambur, the greatest Tolkien story. I love Beren and Luthien, but now we are talking about Greek classic tragedies. I love the Scouring of the Shire as a great story arc, but the tragedy of Turin stands out among Tolkien's works. In this story, the hero wins a lot in the beginning, and the middle, but loses big time at the end.
"Hail Gurthang! No lord or loyalty dost thou know, save the hand that wieldeth thee. From no blood wilt thou shrink."
@@GrumpaGladstone1809 Gurthang is a blade unlike any other that I have known from all other fantasy stories or even D&D. Forged by the darkest elf, and wielded by two of the greatest warriors in all of Tolkien, Gurthang was a character unto itself, and deadly to foe and even friend. I wish it was found some place in the Third Age, but I cannot think of a Third Age character that I would want to wield Gurthang. I thank you, my friend, for bringing up this most deadly memory.
@@GrumpaGladstone1809 And it is the only blade, that I am aware of, that ever spoke.
like Trump
unironically
I just love listening to you read these and have asked for the Silmarrion for Christmas hehe. Honestly I would pay for you to read these all. Thankyou so much
Im not a reader, ive never read a full book in my life, but Eru iluvatar damn have i grown respect and love for tolkiens story's, you are a true story teller, please keep this up my man
Thanks, I'm really glad you enjoy the videos! I can't wait to get back to the First Age.
I feel sad
Me 2,I am both looking forward and also not for the next series
This series has been amazing. Thank you so much
The Elvish name for the battle sounds a lot more beautiful.
Rainbow Dave, are you recording inside Moria? I hear an echo 😅.
As always, I love your videos ❤️
Haha, I was indeed recording in a totally different room. The UK is going through a crazy heatwave at the moment, so I had to find the coolest room to record in. Hence the echo.
I always think Gothmog as Maximus and Sauron more like Marco Aurelius (Gladiator movie). 2 different sort of powers
Amazon should have consulted you before attempting the ROP series. You might have saved them from a disaster.
You assume they wanted to make us happy. They did not. If they did, any Tolkien fan could've helped them make a good show. They do not like European culture, and they seek to destroy it.
Azaghâl stabbing Glaurung...and thus began the hatred between Dwarves and Dragons as well as the first shot fired in the War of the Dwarves and Dragons
AHH that Friday feeling when my fav Tolkien channel puts out a video.