People actually plot and scheme like this, but they don't have the vocabulary to articulate it so sumptuously as the lovely Marquise Isabelle de Merteuil so effortlessly demonstrates in this marvelous video clip. Even the lord of seduction, Vicomte Sebastien de Valmont, cannot help but be awestruck by her. Superb....
People plot like this together? Doesnt that give room for betrayal? The other person plotting know your tricks and could easily attack you when you least expect it
mistakes: the way she stir her tea was utterly wrong. you dont swirl it in circle my dear. but up down..thats it..n her pinky didnt point upward...hahaha..
The role of Valmont had been made famous by Alan Rickman in the play. He was considered for the movie, but producers wanted a bigger "name", so they went with John Malkovich. I don't dislike Malkovich, but I'd give just about anything to see this movie with Alan Rickman in the lead.
Glenn close is brilliant. I'm not sure I would have cast either malkovich or Rickman here though. Rickman was still learning his craft in films and his skills were still confined to the theatre back then. Malkovich is slightly odd in this role.
I love how she draws him in, even after disclosing the truth about herself and he STILL falls for it, as if he were about to get a second chance only for her to rip it away from him, just to prove how easy it is for her.
You're reading that wrong. She just told him that he was the only one to make everything she built crumbled in favor of mindless desire for him and his charm and was about to crumble again before Madam De Velonge showed up and snapped her back to reality. Valmont was only going to move in because she had let her wall down and was going to give in to him. That is the essence of their relationship. Even though she is better at the game of social manipulation than him, he is the only man in the world with power over her because she really loved him. That is why things went so wrong for both of them. She was crushed when she realized that Valmont loved Madam De Tourville. She set out to break him for loving someone more than her. It ultimately proved to be her downfall as Valmont won in the end.
@@andrewvincent7299 I think both readings are valid…. but personally I agree with the comment. I think you are viewing the scene and movie through the eyes of Valmont. When Merteuil “opens up to him” here and “lets down her guard,” it’s because she knows these are the things that will enthrall him. She pulls back before the news of her cousin’s arrival, if you’re watching carefully and see the subtle shift in her expression of satisfaction that Valmont falls for her manipulation so easily. The news from her servant is just a convenient out to end the conversation prematurely without need for any further contrivance. Nevertheless, they are good friends and she appears to be truthful here in her monologue. If you actually listen to what she says, you would understand that for Merteuil, love is never part of the equation. It’s about control for her, and this is the one way she can exert control over how own identity and over men as a social force in general. When things go wrong between her and Valmont, it isn’t jealousy that he loves someone else more. It is frustration that her one compatriot that views the world the way she does, who appears to love but never does, has fallen victim to the concept of love itself.
@@addison2420 She is a highly intelligent narcissistic psychopath, and he is a narcissist. She cons him to get power over him. That is her only aim, the reason she takes of her mask at this point. Is because she is a narcissist and at some level she want attention and recognition for her " master plan" from another player. Even if she would have sex with him, she would never have fallen in love with him. The only thing she cares about is power and getting attention. He on the other hand is a part of the game and the same " tribe". That is he is also a narcissist. But when he later falls in love ( with the empatic Michelle Pheiffer ) he gets emotional, because his cynical view of humans is broken. That is he starts to need to have a emotional connection. The only difference of him and her, is that he is not a psychopath. At at some level is not so mentally deranged. All narcissists want to be admired as a genius. And they are all desperate for attention, even if they appear not to.
@andrewvincent7299 While I agree with you insofar as the general tenor of their relationship (that Valmont is the only man Merteuil truly loves, and so the only man who has any power over her), I think you're misinterpreting this clip. Because it is the first part of a longer scene - the scene ends with Valmont begging Merteuil to sleep with him as she promised, and Merteuil saying, of course - but not yet. She'll give him what he wants when he gives her what she demands, a compromising letter written by Mme de Tourvel. Until then she'll happily send him away. Merteuil has Valmont on the hook - we see her ensure that in this clip - and she'll have him in her bed *on her terms.* Any crumbling on her part in this scene, no matter how genuine the feeling behind it, is intentional and staged by her to those ends. It's a masterly demonstration of "the virtuoso of deceit" in action, and the beauty of it is she's able to do it even as she explains how she does it.
I love the very subtle shift in Glenn Close’s eyes as she looks ‘lustfully’ at JOhn Malkovich, which betrays that she is feigning desire to elicit a response. So artfully done. Bravo.
Cersei doesn't have anywhere near the amount of charm and the masterful skill of social manipulation that Merteuil had. Cersei is a brute compared to Merteuil
Glenn is the Susan Lucci of the Oscars. NEVER won!!! Has been nominated 9 or 10 times. UNBELIEVABLE!!! That's why no one watches award shows - the correct person so often doesn't win. All politics and who u sleep with
Between '87 and '88 she gave two of her best performances, in Fatal attraction and Dangerous liaisons. And these two roles cannot be even more different from one another.......
I just commented the same thing. Fatal attraction is her best I think. I'm no actor, but the scene with her and Michael Douglas, where they rendezvous on the subway platform, when her madness really becomes apparent, should be shown to acting students. Michael Douglas is awesome too in the scene, showing his terror and distress and helplessness. I'll pay for it. Pay for what? ....(the ab0rtion!)... -I'm not that kinda girl
Brilliant - Close and Malkovich made this live. I had to beg my wife, not a fan of costume dramas, to watch it and when we finally did, she loved it! One of Close's Academy Award nominations - that stupid statue is LONG overdue for her.
@@oolala53 no. She was a shoe in for that role but she lost to Olivia Coleman for her role in The Favourite. I was not impressed with Olivia's performance but then I'm not the one handing out the Oscars so I didn't have a say
@@blowbubbles72 I looked that up and posted about it in another comment. I didn't like that movie much and thoughColman did well being nutty but it can take more to be subtle. And Colman has gone on to do so much. But I guess Close has, too.
I remember watching Glen talk about this movie, and one of her favorite parts was wearing the costumes. Truly, I wouldn’t care whether I died of heatstroke or suffocation if I had a chance to wear something like that, I wouldn’t hesitate.
This is a perfect example of timelessness all wrapped in one. The beauty of glen the talents of John the gilded age the dialogue the monologue, all of it timeless and effortless. This truly is a masterpiece movie that can never be repeated just studied.
@@greyngreyer5 Because it was well written? Because the whole scene was well written? But that particular line showed the pain she endured as a woman with limited autonomy. It simultaneously revealed her delusion and hypocrisy. It’s obvious that she could not very well “avenge” her sex, and especially not through the methods she employed. She exploited and hurt other women in the process of furthering her own aims.
Because, as good as she was, Jodie Foster's Sarah Tobias ( _The Accused_ ) was an undeniably heartbreaking force of nature. If it had been up to me, they would have tied.
@maseratic boychik Ugh. Close won for a musical in which she atrociously "played" a caricature of Faye Dunaway playing Norma Desmond by way of SNL. Yep. And her "singing" was pretty much offkey caterwauling, but everyone knows that Broadway loves gifting Tonys to movie stars who do Broadway. It always guarantees ratings for the Tony telecast (not to mention that the year that Close won for Sunset, there were only two nominees).LOL Next. Foster deserved the Oscar, and she won it. Next.
@@t.e.burgos3263 The Accused was Jodie’s first Oscar in 1989, she won her second (for The Silence of the Lambs) in 1992, so that wasn’t a consideration for voters when she and Glenn competed. (Jodie’s major competition in ‘92 were Susan Sarandon and Gena Davis in Thelma and Louise. Their double nomination was clearly a disadvantage, and TSotL was a critical/box-office/awards juggernaut that proved insurmountable.) Frankly, I think Glenn’s best shot at the Oscar was in 2011, when she was nominated for Albert Nobbs. It was a totally stacked year, with Viola Davis (The Help), Rooney Mara (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo), Michelle Williams (My Week with Marilyn), and (unfortunately, the winner) Meryl Streep (The Iron Lady) rounding out the category. Not briefly enough: a Viola Davis victory was absolutely out of the question - even more than ten years after The Help, Halle Berry remains the only woman of colour to have won Best Actress, The Help was not a strong enough Oscar contender to override that disadvantage, (although four nominations and one win - Supporting Actress - is nothing to scoff at), and Viola had yet to build the wider reputation as a dramatic titan that she enjoys today. The nomination was the win for Viola this year. Rooney Mara’s nomination here echos a number of other high profile Oscar misses that still incense some fans, specially Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl, Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty, more recently Carey Mulligan in Promising Young Woman and Kristen Stewart in Spencer, and the aforementioned Sarandon and Davis in Thelma and Louise. These performances were all revelatory and thrilling, but also very specifically transgressive, as well as dark, edgy, and often sexual, violent, and graphic, in tandem. They are deeply antithetical to the traditional, soft, maternal, self-sacrificing, female roles that the academy has so often used the Best Actress award to venerate. They lacked the broad commercial accessibility required to appeal to the very conservative academy - they were too incredible to be ignored, but too transgressive to be awarded. Of the nominees I listed though, I’d argue Rooney was in the best position to win. Her film was directed by one of the modern masters, was a little bit of a phenomenon (even if it underperformed financially), co-starred a major movie star (James Bond himself!), shared certain elements with previous Best Actress winners (ironically, Jodie Foster in The Accused - the most gruelling scenes of both those films are quite similar), and received five Oscar nominations, more than any other film in the Best Actress race. (Dragon Tattoo won one Oscar - Film Editing, one of The Big 5). Despite a textbook Oscar magnet role in Marilyn Monroe, Michelle Williams was at a disadvantage because My Week with Marilyn was not beloved by the Academy. It was only nominated for two Oscars, (a tie for least of any film in this category) and won neither. Over a decade out and Williams has proved she has more Oscar caliber performances in her, (Manchester by the Sea), but the wider Academy has shown no sense of urgency when it comes to recognizing her work. Still - in a lesser year, (perhaps even the year before), Williams’ take on Monroe could’ve been a real contender. As for Meryl - her film also received two nominations, Actress and Hair/Make-Up - but unlike My Week with Marilyn, it actually won both. (Thatcher’s recognizability was obviously an advantage too, biopics do perform better at awards shows.) Now, it’s impossible to ignore that The Iron Lady was produced by the Weinstein Company, or that Harvey himself spearheaded a massive campaign for Meryl. If you know anything about how Harvey Weinstein gamed the Oscars for decades, you know that was a colossal advantage for Meryl, and quite possibly the decisive factor in the race. My personal sense, and the general sense I get from others who have written on this subject, is that Meryl’s third Oscar served less as recognition for a particularly standout performance, and more as an acknowledgement that Meryl had become deified, routinely churned out incredible work, and had not been awarded since the early 1980’s. They did the same thing with Daniel Day Lewis the very next year. Factor in the Academy’s apparent willingness to consistently overlook Glenn, and her incredible, subtle, restrained, dignified, transformative performance as a transgender man living in late 19th century Dublin went unrecognized. (This casting decision would be problematic today, as would Janet McTeer’s, but in 2011 this film was on the cutting edge of LGBT representation in Hollywood, and I do believe it was made with sincerity and empathy, even if the cast and crew lacked insights that would have been readily available to them, had they asked.) Nominated for three Oscars total, Albert Nobbs lost all of them to films also nominated for Best Actress. Octavia Spencer took Supporting Actress for The Help over. Janet McTeer in Albert Nobbs, and The Iron Lady took both Actress and Hair/Make-Up. Were it not for the explicitly manufactured appetite to see Meryl awarded AGAIN (something she even addressed in her speech that night) Glenn’s narrative would’ve been the strongest of the nominees - not even just because she was a six time nominee with no wins to her name, (Deborah Kerr’s infamous Oscar record, for comparison) but because she produced the film herself as a passion project after playing the role on stage in 1982. It, like The Wife nearly a decade later, took an extraordinary amount of time and effort on her part just to build herself the opportunity to give that performance. The Academy has been incredibly receptive to this brand of Best Actress nominee lately, both Jessica Chastain and Frances McDormand produced their recent Oscar winning vehicles, and male actors have been celebrated for that for ages. There was no reason not to choose Glenn in 2011. Nobody else had any chance, except Meryl, who was coasting on a wave of hype and love that had absolutely nothing to do with her performance or film, and everything to do with her cult status and Harvey Weinstein’s money. The worst part? She added 50% more Oscar to some shelf in her house when she got home that night. Full respect to Meryl, but that just feels awfully pointless to me. A third statue functionally means nothing. It makes no impact on an actors’ life, career, or legacy. She’d be no less a legend if she only had two - Bette Davis only had two. Now, had 2011 been Sophie’s Choice - I’m talking performance of a LIFETIME stuff - then okay, sure, throw her a third, fuck Glenn, I guess. But for a truly mediocre film, about a truly evil person, produced by another truly evil person? Why? Of course, the LGBT+ themes in Albert Nobbs could have been a disadvantage. It was released closer to Dallas Buyers Club and The Danish Girl than to Brokeback Mountain, so I don’t think Glenn was deliberately passed over for homophobic reasons (like Brokeback’s Best Picture loss.) I’m more inclined to see Albert Nobbs as a prime example of the Academy’s love for straight actors taking gay roles that depict LGBT+ life as gauntlets of nearly ceaseless, and often fetishized, (COUGH CMBYN COUGH) suffering. Anyway, Justice for Albert Nobbs, Thatcher and Weinstein were both demons, and Meryl was just along for the ride, I guess.
This is the frenchest american film I've ever been able to watch in my life so far. The costumes, the psychology, the acting. I'm amazed that it could render with such accuracy my own culture.
the movie was so good. Lots of communication just with looks and body language. The story line was unpredictable, and the two main actors had incredible chemistry
I can't add to all that's been said about Close's performance. But I want to say the direction is masterful. The subtle use of music part way through her speech creates a vague sense of threatening evil. It has stayed with me ever since I first saw this as a clip on Siskel and Ebert's show.
Aside from "Fatal Attraction" this is probably her best role. She's brilliant in everything she does, but some characters stand out above the rest. One of the rare breeds ! Simply superb !
As a middle schooler in the 80s I watched this movie repeatedly. I understood very little about what was going on, but I loved the costumes and sets and thought the actors were beautiful. I was kind of a weird kid.
Not at all! If anything its exactly why beauty, love & kindness need no words to establish a harmonious connection. It was a beautifully made movies, a total feast for the eyes.
Oh, she was so incredibly good in this movie. All the politics of the Oscars kept the award from going to Ms. Close that year, but she gave an award-worthy performance.
i loved Glenn in this when it first came out for the salacious deliciousness of it all, but now watching this scene for the second time in my life, and having known and fallen for narcissistic individuals, she is chilling.
“…and in the end, I distilled everything to one wonderfully simple principle, win or die” “when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die, there’s no middle ground”
The character is really well played. To play someone so deluded and make her seem real is not easy. Her arrogant belief in what she espouses as almost her divine purpose is both shocking self delusion and an insight into her not being anywhere near as aloof as she thinks she is. The very fact she has to interfere in the lives of others and make them miserable to justify her own existence, reveals she is not strong or independent and aloof but brittle and desperate for human connection; even though her massive inferiority complex demands that connection to be Machiavellian. And her excuse for indulging in some really evil manipulation is that she's always known she was supposed to 'dominate your sex and avenge my own.' It is of course an extraordinary hypocrisy as she's scheming to ruin the life of another woman and regularly indulges in such behaviour. She's a misogynist with no female friends who sees other women as either her pawn or someone else's. Close makes her quite chilling, a psychopath in surely almost every quality.
What's more interesting and indeed Machiavellian is the whole background of the author Laclos of the 18th century novel! It's quite astounding and what got me interested in the first place. It's all fiction he claimed to be fact (and everyone at the time knew who was being poorly pseudonymed) in publishing what he claimed to be a found correspondence of letters where the srory plays out. All bc he tried all his life to earn a title through military feats, (the only way a commoner could) but totally failed. He spent his entire life apiring to be invited to the parties, seated in the noble class section if the Paris Opera etc etc, but the doors were shut to him, and in the end his fitile efforts made him ridiculed. For which he sought his literary revenge, his one and only book, then marketed as a genuine correpondence and example of the sordid immoral Paris nobility. Creating a scandal. And contemporary, before the revolution and guillotine would do a more macabre and definite job of it.
The way Glenn Close removed her make up, baring Madams true appearance. The utter devastation at being laid bare in society and literally at her vanity table. I couldn't help but feel sadness and pity for such damage.
@@AngelWingzzz I don’t. A narcissist’s true horror is to be exposed for what they are! She got exactly what she deserved and worked so hard for! Once again, “Karma never forgets an address!”
This is the core scene of the whole film. It almost makes Merteuil a kind of proto-feminist - a woman who refused to allow the hypocritical constraints of society interfere with her pursuit of personal pleasure and fulfillment. At least, she had a good run. Obviously she had to pay for it in the end - she would've had to even by the sex-political standards of 1988, and the novel was written in 1782. But this scene gives her nuance and humanizes her. Maybe she IS an essentially "cruel" person, unworthy of compassion; but this helps you see the sort of bind that all women were in, and that the only alternative to duplicity was complacency.
On the flip side, you could argue Merteuil is a woman who refuses to allow society to interfere with HER pursuit of pleasure and fulfillment. She doesn't give two shits about other women and is quite happy to humiliate and destroy them, as she does with Madame de Tourvel, Madame de Volanges and Cecille Volanges.
Not much of a feminist when she took advantage of the patriarchal system to put other women down. She is a misanthrope with her low opinion of humanity and sees herself as the only human worth protecting.
Don’t forget the ending Cherie: The Marquise de Merteuille sits before her VANITY after she is thoroughly humiliated and shunned by the society she so craved, and wipes away her pale clown make-up to see the ruined skin and blighted soul beneath it. She realizes much too late that her come up at such a tender age was actually her downfall. 🌹🥀
It has a specific social reference. In this period If a fashionable woman stopped wearing rouge it signalled her withdrawal from society. She is wiping it off because she realizes her reputation is ruined to the point of no return. A brilliant ending.
@@talmadge1926 Not only her reputation, her life. She took the sanctioned games of love and turned them into war! A woman of such corruption would be expected to close up her house and retreat to a convent to contemplate the path that led her to this end. ☦️🛐🥀
From Wikipedia about Glenn Close.... she has been nominated eight times for an Academy Award, holding the record for the most Oscar nominations in an acting category without a win (tied with Peter O'Toole).... Her performances in Dangerous Liaisons and Fatal Attraction are two of the best performances from the Eighties. She is the best actress from that Era.
Any guesses (no one could possibly ever know) as to how many hundreds of millions of women since time began -- ranging from royalty and millionaires' wives to farm girls and scullery maids -- have followed the Marquise's game plan, as they have made their way through life? "It wasn't pleasure I was after; it was knowledge." THERE is the first step on the road to power -- whether that power is becoming the first lady of a village by marrying the mayor, or a German princess from a tiny duchy maneuvering, ducking, bobbing, weaving, and dissembling for twenty years until the day finally comes when the Imperial Crown of Russia is set on her head, and she is acclaimed as Catherine the Great. Who, by the by, was a contemporary of the Marquise de Merteuil. What a pity they never met to compare notes.
I especially love Close's delivery. She sounds so sweet and treacly before she tells her story and it becomes sinister without going over the top. She really is one of the finest actresses we have today.
@@greyngreyer5 People in Britain would have spoken with a flat American accent at that time? I've heard that the English accent fluctuated over the centuries but I highly doubt they ever sounded this flat. If I'm wrong I'd love to learn your source.
@@ScarletVoodoo The way I understood OP, "american accent" is defined solely by rhoticity and if that's case, then yes, I can say they spoke "like Americans," as in their r was rhotic, pronounced as some phoneme of r, depending on the region.
this movie changed society, it brought back the whole ''Louis ( XIV XV XVI ) aesthetic over the top rococo decor it eventually evolved into ''Glam'' that you see today.
Going through most of my life up until my 30s…I went about thinking people told the truth. A rose-coloured moron. I grew up in a environment where people yelled - not for the life of them could they keep but letting out the rage. So I grew to understand that if people weren’t lashing out, or at least having still words with you, that everything was fine, except that’s not what my stomach and body was telling me. I then began to believe, re women especially, that there was something wrong with me. I had a good circle of friends but ones that were formed over many years. As I grew older the rose coloured glasses started to crack and it was after 30 that I learned. My best friend since grade 4 was subtle but persistent with the 🔪 Envy to her very core. I started to look at the world differently, mainly it’s when I stopped worrying about what others thought of me/pleasing them & changed my life dramatically (lifestyle, looks, adult industry work, personality, social circle) entirely…this was also due to financial pressure (no family). I then met evil face to face via a man…which changed my life forever. Hard lessons learned - but I don’t regret it because I now have almost a psychic level of laser focus into people. If women decided to treat other women like their sisters, stopped the jealousy bs, stuck together and had each other’s backs, we’d be an unstoppable force. It’s generally 99% over the desire for MEN in the first place that causes the envy and behaviour like this. True, healthy detachment like this requires faith and being ok with the lot you’ve receive in life. Having a spirit of giving and service. We do not have to live in a world where people think they need to behave this way to survive.
Same here darling,life has punched me into abominations since I was little yet I always eexpected the best of people..now in my 30s having to deal with a horrible incurable chronic illness,having no job,friends,never been had a friend,never beencin a relationship or a party cuz im sick since my 20s and people in my hometown hate me but i cant leave,now i get what people truly is. I dont if its that i was too dumb to see the truth or I was lying to myself In my case it always has been that what didnt killed me has made stranger Die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian i guess😂
Too bad she didn’t though Olivia Colman’s rendition of the dysfunctional queen was terrific. Colman has had so much exposure. Close deserves it, but it’s also easy to get bad vehicles.
The part where she said, she practiced acting to cheerful as she stabbed a fork into her hand sent chills down my spine. The fact that she’s willing to go through such pain in order to come out on top is crazy.
Based queen. She may be wrong, but she's got the spirit. Win or die. My queen wouldn't have cared about the mirror moment at the end. She just hates to walk away from the mirror to the crowd because she is leaving bestie behind. Love that reflection xx
In a twisted way, this movie was quite a feminist piece. Such that, the twist went about when the Marquise revealed to Valmont that her victory was not over Madame de Tourvel; but it was after him all these times. While the entire movie can easily be seen as a cruel woman [Marquise] ready to sacrifice the women in her life path, yet her ultimate goal was to conquer the men instead. Hints of these are given especially during the tea session between her and Valmont. Such that, when Valmont asked her how she managed to manipulate others she told him how she learned from her own painful past how she came out to be a "virtuoso of deceit". But when push comes to shove, no evil deeds go unpunished when her devious plan were revealed among the Parisian society. Thus, she got what she deserved of having many lives becoming pawns in her plans.
‘Avenging my sex’ is just a lie she tells herself in order to feel good and justified. She’s not a feminist in any way as she uses the patriarchal system to keep other women down. She has the mentality of a queen, who thinks herself above other measly women, and men as well.
She reminds me of a Tolkien character not spoken of much, queen Berutiel of Gobdor in the 3rd age. She was a plotting queen, whom used her cats to spy on the men of Gondor, to find their darkest secrets. Eventually, she was exiled from the kingdom, along with her cats.
This is such a terrific movie. Glenn Close should have won the Oscar!
SEVERAL TIMES
Cher was good in Moonstruck..but Glenn Close was robbed
@@onwednesdayswewearpink2761this is when Jodie Foster won for “The Accused”
Yes and they were all fantastic , the casting is perfect.
@@onwednesdayswewearpink2761 True. This is one of the finest performances of the 80s. Close was in a category of her own this year.
People actually plot and scheme like this, but they don't have the vocabulary to articulate it so sumptuously as the lovely Marquise Isabelle de Merteuil so effortlessly demonstrates in this marvelous video clip. Even the lord of seduction, Vicomte Sebastien de Valmont, cannot help but be awestruck by her. Superb....
Where did you see that her first name is Isabelle?? Not in the novel, as much as I know....
People plot like this together?
Doesnt that give room for betrayal? The other person plotting know your tricks and could easily attack you when you least expect it
“Like most intellectuals, he’s intensely stupid” such a wicked delivery of that line. Close is sublime
it helps that the line was 100% truth
Usually very true ! De la clos, the master of love, betrayal, immorality at its best.
I love that!!!!!!
She's awesome in fatal attraction. The subway scene with her and Douglas is insane. Perfectly plays someone who is batshiiit
@@stevencoardvenice I WILL NOT BE IGNORED DAN! She was a complete psychopath! What a performance
Man, as talented as Glenn Close is, not even she can make drinking out of that empty tea cup look real. 😂
It would look better if she lifted it slower, like it actually carried liquid and she was afraid to spill it.
That's a pet peeve of mine, with actors drinking from empty cups or mugs
mistakes: the way she stir her tea was utterly wrong. you dont swirl it in circle my dear. but up down..thats it..n her pinky didnt point upward...hahaha..
And it didn't help that the camera actually showed that it was empty LOL
YOU RUINED THE SCENE! GOD! LMAO!
The role of Valmont had been made famous by Alan Rickman in the play. He was considered for the movie, but producers wanted a bigger "name", so they went with John Malkovich. I don't dislike Malkovich, but I'd give just about anything to see this movie with Alan Rickman in the lead.
same here. I would love to see Glenn Close and Alan Rickman together
No. Malkovich is perfect. Not a good looking man, but his bone structure and eyes are absolutely perfect for the role. Ditto his acting.
@@laraspace6139 That would have been so awesome.
Glenn close is brilliant. I'm not sure I would have cast either malkovich or Rickman here though. Rickman was still learning his craft in films and his skills were still confined to the theatre back then. Malkovich is slightly odd in this role.
@@zeddeka True, but part of me think the theatrical style would fit Valmont very well.
I love how she draws him in, even after disclosing the truth about herself and he STILL falls for it, as if he were about to get a second chance only for her to rip it away from him, just to prove how easy it is for her.
You're reading that wrong. She just told him that he was the only one to make everything she built crumbled in favor of mindless desire for him and his charm and was about to crumble again before Madam De Velonge showed up and snapped her back to reality. Valmont was only going to move in because she had let her wall down and was going to give in to him.
That is the essence of their relationship. Even though she is better at the game of social manipulation than him, he is the only man in the world with power over her because she really loved him. That is why things went so wrong for both of them. She was crushed when she realized that Valmont loved Madam De Tourville. She set out to break him for loving someone more than her. It ultimately proved to be her downfall as Valmont won in the end.
@@andrewvincent7299 I think both readings are valid…. but personally I agree with the comment. I think you are viewing the scene and movie through the eyes of Valmont. When Merteuil “opens up to him” here and “lets down her guard,” it’s because she knows these are the things that will enthrall him. She pulls back before the news of her cousin’s arrival, if you’re watching carefully and see the subtle shift in her expression of satisfaction that Valmont falls for her manipulation so easily. The news from her servant is just a convenient out to end the conversation prematurely without need for any further contrivance.
Nevertheless, they are good friends and she appears to be truthful here in her monologue. If you actually listen to what she says, you would understand that for Merteuil, love is never part of the equation. It’s about control for her, and this is the one way she can exert control over how own identity and over men as a social force in general.
When things go wrong between her and Valmont, it isn’t jealousy that he loves someone else more. It is frustration that her one compatriot that views the world the way she does, who appears to love but never does, has fallen victim to the concept of love itself.
@@addison2420 She is a highly intelligent narcissistic psychopath, and he is a narcissist. She cons him to get power over him. That is her only aim, the reason she takes of her mask at this point. Is because she is a narcissist and at some level she want attention and recognition for her " master plan" from another player. Even if she would have sex with him, she would never have fallen in love with him. The only thing she cares about is power and getting attention. He on the other hand is a part of the game and the same " tribe". That is he is also a narcissist. But when he later falls in love ( with the empatic Michelle Pheiffer ) he gets emotional, because his cynical view of humans is broken. That is he starts to need to have a emotional connection.
The only difference of him and her, is that he is not a psychopath. At at some level is not so mentally deranged. All narcissists want to be admired as a genius. And they are all desperate for attention, even if they appear not to.
@andrewvincent7299 While I agree with you insofar as the general tenor of their relationship (that Valmont is the only man Merteuil truly loves, and so the only man who has any power over her), I think you're misinterpreting this clip. Because it is the first part of a longer scene - the scene ends with Valmont begging Merteuil to sleep with him as she promised, and Merteuil saying, of course - but not yet. She'll give him what he wants when he gives her what she demands, a compromising letter written by Mme de Tourvel. Until then she'll happily send him away.
Merteuil has Valmont on the hook - we see her ensure that in this clip - and she'll have him in her bed *on her terms.* Any crumbling on her part in this scene, no matter how genuine the feeling behind it, is intentional and staged by her to those ends. It's a masterly demonstration of "the virtuoso of deceit" in action, and the beauty of it is she's able to do it even as she explains how she does it.
This is one of her best roles🔥🔥🔥🔥
It really is it’s a delicious character.
I don't think anybody else could've nailed this role like the GLENN CLOSE
She was around 41 here but she looks like how she does now
This and Fatal Attraction 👍
Chilling scene. She makes no bones about it, she’s proud of who she is, despite her being deceitful and conniving. Vivid performance by Glenn Close
It WAS a time of limits on women
And she was not about to be defined or defeated by limits, she made a concerted effort to rise above it all. And she did. With a vengeance!
@@thegreatestman851 only to be completely shamed
@@chateaupig826 you reap what you sow
@thegreatestman851 oh yes 😒
You most certainly do .
Life takes NO prisoners
An exquisitely vicious and ultimately heartbreaking movie. George Fenton's hypnotic music score is gorgeous perfection!
I love the very subtle shift in Glenn Close’s eyes as she looks ‘lustfully’ at JOhn Malkovich, which betrays that she is feigning desire to elicit a response. So artfully done. Bravo.
Yes the whole thing is about emotional manipulation.
Awesome moment, indeed.
@annalisavajda252 an emotional affair is indeed a DRAINING experience and yet ...
Amazing!! Glenn Close was Cersei Lannister before there ever was a Game of Thrones.
No... Cersei was never this intelligent or eloquent. The Marquise is more like Tywin Lannister.
Glenn wanted "victory or death" so she must be Olenna Tyrell!
Robot Zombie You prove my point.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis Whoa; imagine Close and Dance in the same film together.
Cersei doesn't have anywhere near the amount of charm and the masterful skill of social manipulation that Merteuil had. Cersei is a brute compared to Merteuil
I read the novel years ago and this film is the best realisation of it that I have ever seen. These actors really portray the characters so well. 👏👏
The voice, the gaze, the posture. Academy Award!!! its such a shame she didnt win that year.
Yes and he is fantastic too
They don't do it to win a bloody award.
They do it to give an outstanding performance to the best of their ability .
To add gravitas
Phenomenal work by the inimitable
Glenn Close.
Cinematic casting as highest art form.
She was superlative here.
Superstar !!!
Glenn Close should have won the oscar for this role
Jodie Foster won for her work in The Accused. Both actresses were excellent.
As much as I love Jodie, I will always believe that Glenn was robed.
She should have won for Fatal Attraction also
Glenn is the Susan Lucci of the Oscars. NEVER won!!! Has been nominated 9 or 10 times. UNBELIEVABLE!!! That's why no one watches award shows - the correct person so often doesn't win. All politics and who u sleep with
@@cross75man75 robbed too!
Between '87 and '88 she gave two of her best performances, in Fatal attraction and Dangerous liaisons.
And these two roles cannot be even more different from one another.......
For which she should've won two consecutive Oscars. But instead, zero.
I just commented the same thing. Fatal attraction is her best I think. I'm no actor, but the scene with her and Michael Douglas, where they rendezvous on the subway platform, when her madness really becomes apparent, should be shown to acting students. Michael Douglas is awesome too in the scene, showing his terror and distress and helplessness.
I'll pay for it.
Pay for what?
....(the ab0rtion!)...
-I'm not that kinda girl
The new one will NEVER EVER replace this classic with these two brilliant actors ever!
Brilliant - Close and Malkovich made this live. I had to beg my wife, not a fan of costume dramas, to watch it and when we finally did, she loved it! One of Close's Academy Award nominations - that stupid statue is LONG overdue for her.
One of her very best performances. Such a shame that she has yet to win an Oscar.
Did she not get one playing the Nobel winner’s wife? Another Academy mistake.
@@oolala53 no. She was a shoe in for that role but she lost to Olivia Coleman for her role in The Favourite. I was not impressed with Olivia's performance but then I'm not the one handing out the Oscars so I didn't have a say
@@blowbubbles72 I looked that up and posted about it in another comment. I didn't like that movie much and thoughColman did well being nutty but it can take more to be subtle. And Colman has gone on to do so much. But I guess Close has, too.
Oscars are nothing, but Hollywood politics. Actors like Glenn Close could give a rat's *ss about them.
In my top 5 favorite films. John Malkovich was legendary in this, the entire film is a masterpiece 💜
Great performances throughout. Glen Close is amazing as usual.
The brilliant under-acting and the score make this scene so perfect.
I remember watching Glen talk about this movie, and one of her favorite parts was wearing the costumes. Truly, I wouldn’t care whether I died of heatstroke or suffocation if I had a chance to wear something like that, I wouldn’t hesitate.
Brilliant film with superb actors, the whole cast. Glenn's role of a lifetime
This is a perfect example of timelessness all wrapped in one. The beauty of glen the talents of John the gilded age the dialogue the monologue, all of it timeless and effortless. This truly is a masterpiece movie that can never be repeated just studied.
One of my favorite movies. With so many memorable lines.
"I was born to dominate your sex and avenged my own"
You do realize that trait was her character flaw, yes? That you're not supposed to espouse that?
@@greyngreyer5 who said they were espousing that…? they were likely just quoting it because it was a great line.
@@hysteriamv A great line why?
@@greyngreyer5 Because it was well written? Because the whole scene was well written? But that particular line showed the pain she endured as a woman with limited autonomy. It simultaneously revealed her delusion and hypocrisy. It’s obvious that she could not very well “avenge” her sex, and especially not through the methods she employed. She exploited and hurt other women in the process of furthering her own aims.
If only Valmont had listened to her...
How in the hell did Glenn not win the Oscar for this role? The Academy is CRAP.
Because, as good as she was, Jodie Foster's Sarah Tobias ( _The Accused_ ) was an undeniably heartbreaking force of nature. If it had been up to me, they would have tied.
@maseratic boychik And yet she has won not one, but TWO Oscars. How many has Close won? LOL
@maseratic boychik Ugh. Close won for a musical in which she atrociously "played" a caricature of Faye Dunaway playing Norma Desmond by way of SNL. Yep. And her "singing" was pretty much offkey caterwauling, but everyone knows that Broadway loves gifting Tonys to movie stars who do Broadway. It always guarantees ratings for the Tony telecast (not to mention that the year that Close won for Sunset, there were only two nominees).LOL Next. Foster deserved the Oscar, and she won it. Next.
U are right
@@t.e.burgos3263 The Accused was Jodie’s first Oscar in 1989, she won her second (for The Silence of the Lambs) in 1992, so that wasn’t a consideration for voters when she and Glenn competed. (Jodie’s major competition in ‘92 were Susan Sarandon and Gena Davis in Thelma and Louise. Their double nomination was clearly a disadvantage, and TSotL was a critical/box-office/awards juggernaut that proved insurmountable.)
Frankly, I think Glenn’s best shot at the Oscar was in 2011, when she was nominated for Albert Nobbs. It was a totally stacked year, with Viola Davis (The Help), Rooney Mara (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo), Michelle Williams (My Week with Marilyn), and (unfortunately, the winner) Meryl Streep (The Iron Lady) rounding out the category.
Not briefly enough: a Viola Davis victory was absolutely out of the question - even more than ten years after The Help, Halle Berry remains the only woman of colour to have won Best Actress, The Help was not a strong enough Oscar contender to override that disadvantage, (although four nominations and one win - Supporting Actress - is nothing to scoff at), and Viola had yet to build the wider reputation as a dramatic titan that she enjoys today. The nomination was the win for Viola this year.
Rooney Mara’s nomination here echos a number of other high profile Oscar misses that still incense some fans, specially Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, Rosamund Pike in Gone Girl, Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty, more recently Carey Mulligan in Promising Young Woman and Kristen Stewart in Spencer, and the aforementioned Sarandon and Davis in Thelma and Louise. These performances were all revelatory and thrilling, but also very specifically transgressive, as well as dark, edgy, and often sexual, violent, and graphic, in tandem. They are deeply antithetical to the traditional, soft, maternal, self-sacrificing, female roles that the academy has so often used the Best Actress award to venerate. They lacked the broad commercial accessibility required to appeal to the very conservative academy - they were too incredible to be ignored, but too transgressive to be awarded. Of the nominees I listed though, I’d argue Rooney was in the best position to win. Her film was directed by one of the modern masters, was a little bit of a phenomenon (even if it underperformed financially), co-starred a major movie star (James Bond himself!), shared certain elements with previous Best Actress winners (ironically, Jodie Foster in The Accused - the most gruelling scenes of both those films are quite similar), and received five Oscar nominations, more than any other film in the Best Actress race. (Dragon Tattoo won one Oscar - Film Editing, one of The Big 5).
Despite a textbook Oscar magnet role in Marilyn Monroe, Michelle Williams was at a disadvantage because My Week with Marilyn was not beloved by the Academy. It was only nominated for two Oscars, (a tie for least of any film in this category) and won neither. Over a decade out and Williams has proved she has more Oscar caliber performances in her, (Manchester by the Sea), but the wider Academy has shown no sense of urgency when it comes to recognizing her work. Still - in a lesser year, (perhaps even the year before), Williams’ take on Monroe could’ve been a real contender.
As for Meryl - her film also received two nominations, Actress and Hair/Make-Up - but unlike My Week with Marilyn, it actually won both. (Thatcher’s recognizability was obviously an advantage too, biopics do perform better at awards shows.) Now, it’s impossible to ignore that The Iron Lady was produced by the Weinstein Company, or that Harvey himself spearheaded a massive campaign for Meryl. If you know anything about how Harvey Weinstein gamed the Oscars for decades, you know that was a colossal advantage for Meryl, and quite possibly the decisive factor in the race. My personal sense, and the general sense I get from others who have written on this subject, is that Meryl’s third Oscar served less as recognition for a particularly standout performance, and more as an acknowledgement that Meryl had become deified, routinely churned out incredible work, and had not been awarded since the early 1980’s. They did the same thing with Daniel Day Lewis the very next year.
Factor in the Academy’s apparent willingness to consistently overlook Glenn, and her incredible, subtle, restrained, dignified, transformative performance as a transgender man living in late 19th century Dublin went unrecognized. (This casting decision would be problematic today, as would Janet McTeer’s, but in 2011 this film was on the cutting edge of LGBT representation in Hollywood, and I do believe it was made with sincerity and empathy, even if the cast and crew lacked insights that would have been readily available to them, had they asked.) Nominated for three Oscars total, Albert Nobbs lost all of them to films also nominated for Best Actress. Octavia Spencer took Supporting Actress for The Help over. Janet McTeer in Albert Nobbs, and The Iron Lady took both Actress and Hair/Make-Up. Were it not for the explicitly manufactured appetite to see Meryl awarded AGAIN (something she even addressed in her speech that night) Glenn’s narrative would’ve been the strongest of the nominees - not even just because she was a six time nominee with no wins to her name, (Deborah Kerr’s infamous Oscar record, for comparison) but because she produced the film herself as a passion project after playing the role on stage in 1982. It, like The Wife nearly a decade later, took an extraordinary amount of time and effort on her part just to build herself the opportunity to give that performance. The Academy has been incredibly receptive to this brand of Best Actress nominee lately, both Jessica Chastain and Frances McDormand produced their recent Oscar winning vehicles, and male actors have been celebrated for that for ages.
There was no reason not to choose Glenn in 2011. Nobody else had any chance, except Meryl, who was coasting on a wave of hype and love that had absolutely nothing to do with her performance or film, and everything to do with her cult status and Harvey Weinstein’s money. The worst part? She added 50% more Oscar to some shelf in her house when she got home that night.
Full respect to Meryl, but that just feels awfully pointless to me. A third statue functionally means nothing. It makes no impact on an actors’ life, career, or legacy. She’d be no less a legend if she only had two - Bette Davis only had two. Now, had 2011 been Sophie’s Choice - I’m talking performance of a LIFETIME stuff - then okay, sure, throw her a third, fuck Glenn, I guess. But for a truly mediocre film, about a truly evil person, produced by another truly evil person? Why?
Of course, the LGBT+ themes in Albert Nobbs could have been a disadvantage. It was released closer to Dallas Buyers Club and The Danish Girl than to Brokeback Mountain, so I don’t think Glenn was deliberately passed over for homophobic reasons (like Brokeback’s Best Picture loss.) I’m more inclined to see Albert Nobbs as a prime example of the Academy’s love for straight actors taking gay roles that depict LGBT+ life as gauntlets of nearly ceaseless, and often fetishized, (COUGH CMBYN COUGH) suffering.
Anyway, Justice for Albert Nobbs, Thatcher and Weinstein were both demons, and Meryl was just along for the ride, I guess.
This is the frenchest american film I've ever been able to watch in my life so far. The costumes, the psychology, the acting. I'm amazed that it could render with such accuracy my own culture.
Perhaps in part that's because it is a film about France. But also perhaps because it contains more subtlety and nuance than most American films.
It was also directed by Stephen Frears, a bloke from England
What else can I say about the magnificent Glenn Close. There you have it!
the movie was so good. Lots of communication just with looks and body language. The story line was unpredictable, and the two main actors had incredible chemistry
If there is justice in the world Glenn Close will have her Oscar this February 24 2019!
That performance in "The Wife" was in a word, irrelevant.
@@dadaevan How is it irrelevant if it got her an Oscar nom? Scott Evans you are a hateful binch.
@@dadaevan ur an idiot
Oh my God, now I just wanna know why nacho buttmug knows golf doc's real name and is using it to fight over Glenn close's acting ability...
She is the best
I can't add to all that's been said about Close's performance. But I want to say the direction is masterful. The subtle use of music part way through her speech creates a vague sense of threatening evil. It has stayed with me ever since I first saw this as a clip on Siskel and Ebert's show.
This was such a brilliantly great movie. It's unfortunate that it doesn't get more recognition as the instant classic it is...
Aside from "Fatal Attraction" this is probably her best role. She's brilliant in everything she does, but some characters stand out above the rest. One of the rare breeds ! Simply superb !
HER ACTING HERE IS NON PAR ! SHE IS THIS CHARACTER !! AND SHE IS SO BEAUTIFUL HERE !!
Amen!
Wow that’s what I call Acting
Glen Close is truly a superb actress. I see her right on the level of Meryl Streep. She deserved at least 3 Oscar’s🏆🏆🏆
She's a MUCH better actress than Meryl Streep. She nails every role she plays.
@@RatedArggg MS is not much more than a very gifted mimic.
I always wanted her to play Thatcher, she's a deadringer, but look who got the part.
Meryl Streep is overrated, but she's a good actor.
She was sooooo good at playing this role..everyone made this movie what it was...EXCELLENT!
As a middle schooler in the 80s I watched this movie repeatedly. I understood very little about what was going on, but I loved the costumes and sets and thought the actors were beautiful. I was kind of a weird kid.
Not at all! If anything its exactly why beauty, love & kindness need no words to establish a harmonious connection.
It was a beautifully made movies, a total feast for the eyes.
I was the same with Titanic, but I understood the part where the ship sank.
That’s awesome ❤
I was the same way. I watched this so much as a kid and Valmont. I loved costumes and 18th-century aristocratic France. I still love that stuff.
@@srdladybug this makes my day.
Has Glenn Close won a well deserved OSCAR YET!!!? Bewildering!!!
Why she didn´t get an oscar for that role i´ll never know ! she was magnificent !
Give this woman an Oscar! Please!
Glenn Close is one of the greatest actors ever. Love her performance here, not getting an Oscar for it was shameful!
John was absolutely perfect for that role: sensitive, eccentric, creative and strong. All at the same time!
The way he slithered toward her without breaking eye contact….Excellent acting!
Oh, she was so incredibly good in this movie. All the politics of the Oscars kept the award from going to Ms. Close that year, but she gave an award-worthy performance.
One of my all time favorite movies 💙
i really do not know how the Oscar did not get glenn close for this role its elf esteem really needed her!
The sensual, tense music that seems to be going round and round and is heady and stifling also is SUBLIMELY set to this scene
Amazing storyline about true "narcissistic individuals.
i loved Glenn in this when it first came out for the salacious deliciousness of it all, but now watching this scene for the second time in my life, and having known and fallen for narcissistic individuals, she is chilling.
This is art! And riveting from start to finish!! What does banal 20th century psychology have to do with anything. Blah, mundane.
Steve Hugel and it’s called ACTING! Superb!!!!
She was a sociopath
I had the good fortune to Lindsay Duncan and Alan Rickman on stage in London…sheer brilliance.
Glenn close and this character is a WHOLE MOOD!!! I FUCKIN LOVE IT
“…and in the end, I distilled everything to one wonderfully simple principle, win or die”
“when you play the game of thrones, you win or you die, there’s no middle ground”
Glenn Close is so good she is in a class of her own.
The character is really well played. To play someone so deluded and make her seem real is not easy.
Her arrogant belief in what she espouses as almost her divine purpose is both shocking self delusion and an insight into her not being anywhere near as aloof as she thinks she is. The very fact she has to interfere in the lives of others and make them miserable to justify her own existence, reveals she is not strong or independent and aloof but brittle and desperate for human connection; even though her massive inferiority complex demands that connection to be Machiavellian.
And her excuse for indulging in some really evil manipulation is that she's always known she was supposed to 'dominate your sex and avenge my own.' It is of course an extraordinary hypocrisy as she's scheming to ruin the life of another woman and regularly indulges in such behaviour. She's a misogynist with no female friends who sees other women as either her pawn or someone else's. Close makes her quite chilling, a psychopath in surely almost every quality.
What's more interesting and indeed Machiavellian is the whole background of the author Laclos of the 18th century novel! It's quite astounding and what got me interested in the first place. It's all fiction he claimed to be fact (and everyone at the time knew who was being poorly pseudonymed) in publishing what he claimed to be a found correspondence of letters where the srory plays out. All bc he tried all his life to earn a title through military feats, (the only way a commoner could) but totally failed. He spent his entire life apiring to be invited to the parties, seated in the noble class section if the Paris Opera etc etc, but the doors were shut to him, and in the end his fitile efforts made him ridiculed. For which he sought his literary revenge, his one and only book, then marketed as a genuine correpondence and example of the sordid immoral Paris nobility.
Creating a scandal. And contemporary, before the revolution and guillotine would do a more macabre and definite job of it.
It's called narcissism brother
Yes, she's a very good actor.
The way Glenn Close removed her make up, baring Madams true appearance. The utter devastation at being laid bare in society and literally at her vanity table.
I couldn't help but feel sadness and pity for such damage.
@@AngelWingzzz I don’t. A narcissist’s true horror is to be exposed for what they are! She got exactly what she deserved and worked so hard for! Once again, “Karma never forgets an address!”
This is the core scene of the whole film. It almost makes Merteuil a kind of proto-feminist - a woman who refused to allow the hypocritical constraints of society interfere with her pursuit of personal pleasure and fulfillment. At least, she had a good run. Obviously she had to pay for it in the end - she would've had to even by the sex-political standards of 1988, and the novel was written in 1782. But this scene gives her nuance and humanizes her. Maybe she IS an essentially "cruel" person, unworthy of compassion; but this helps you see the sort of bind that all women were in, and that the only alternative to duplicity was complacency.
On the flip side, you could argue Merteuil is a woman who refuses to allow society to interfere with HER pursuit of pleasure and fulfillment. She doesn't give two shits about other women and is quite happy to humiliate and destroy them, as she does with Madame de Tourvel, Madame de Volanges and Cecille Volanges.
Not much of a feminist when she took advantage of the patriarchal system to put other women down. She is a misanthrope with her low opinion of humanity and sees herself as the only human worth protecting.
Merteuil trying to explain her reasons reminds me when Joker tries to justify every abomination he does🤣
Oh man, that movie is in my top tens, so so good! Great story, great acting!
I remember when this movie came out, it felt deliciously scandalous! My mouth hung open in shock the entire time.
Llllove this film so much. Amazingly talented actors
2 very amazing talented actors
John Malkovitch was so perfect for this role.
Great cast, all over.
Don’t forget the ending Cherie: The Marquise de Merteuille sits before her VANITY after she is thoroughly humiliated and shunned by the society she so craved, and wipes away her pale clown make-up to see the ruined skin and blighted soul beneath it. She realizes much too late that her come up at such a tender age was actually her downfall. 🌹🥀
And that one, single tear rolling down her cheek as the screen fades to black...PERFECTION.
Yes, yes it was. Can you imagine an entire misspent lifetime contained in a single tear? Wow.
It has a specific social reference. In this period If a fashionable woman stopped wearing rouge it signalled her withdrawal from society.
She is wiping it off because she realizes her reputation is ruined to the point of no return. A brilliant ending.
@@talmadge1926 Not only her reputation, her life. She took the sanctioned games of love and turned them into war! A woman of such corruption would be expected to close up her house and retreat to a convent to contemplate the path that led her to this end. ☦️🛐🥀
She is a force of nature.
Very cruel people. Great work by both John and Glenn close.
From Wikipedia about Glenn Close.... she has been nominated eight times for an Academy Award, holding the record for the most Oscar nominations in an acting category without a win (tied with Peter O'Toole)....
Her performances in Dangerous Liaisons and Fatal Attraction are two of the best performances from the Eighties. She is the best actress from that Era.
great movie and masterful roles
Any guesses (no one could possibly ever know) as to how many hundreds of millions of women since time began -- ranging from royalty and millionaires' wives to farm girls and scullery maids -- have followed the Marquise's game plan, as they have made their way through life? "It wasn't pleasure I was after; it was knowledge." THERE is the first step on the road to power -- whether that power is becoming the first lady of a village by marrying the mayor, or a German princess from a tiny duchy maneuvering, ducking, bobbing, weaving, and dissembling for twenty years until the day finally comes when the Imperial Crown of Russia is set on her head, and she is acclaimed as Catherine the Great. Who, by the by, was a contemporary of the Marquise de Merteuil. What a pity they never met to compare notes.
Actually most slvts like merteuil are only in search of pleasure,she was just burn her lover dumped her and at the end he ended up winning
The american accent gives it a modern touch
I especially love Close's delivery. She sounds so sweet and treacly before she tells her story and it becomes sinister without going over the top. She really is one of the finest actresses we have today.
It certainly helped the financing.
No it doesn't. People in Britain would have spoken like this at the time, except of course this is France, not Britain, but you get the point.
@@greyngreyer5 People in Britain would have spoken with a flat American accent at that time? I've heard that the English accent fluctuated over the centuries but I highly doubt they ever sounded this flat. If I'm wrong I'd love to learn your source.
@@ScarletVoodoo The way I understood OP, "american accent" is defined solely by rhoticity and if that's case, then yes, I can say they spoke "like Americans," as in their r was rhotic, pronounced as some phoneme of r, depending on the region.
This was such a good movie! Time to watch it again.
Oh my god how'd I miss this one!!!
Glenn Close the female Peter O'toole.
Not a nice comment she doesn’t have to be the male anything m8 and yes I get your lame reference to the Oscars
Legend @glenn close
Glen Close is deliciously dark.
this movie changed society, it brought back the whole ''Louis ( XIV XV XVI ) aesthetic over the top rococo decor it eventually evolved into ''Glam'' that you see today.
its so hard to take this scene seriously with the empty bloody tea cup
Going through most of my life up until my 30s…I went about thinking people told the truth.
A rose-coloured moron.
I grew up in a environment where people yelled - not for the life of them could they keep but letting out the rage. So I grew to understand that if people weren’t lashing out, or at least having still words with you, that everything was fine, except that’s not what my stomach and body was telling me.
I then began to believe, re women especially, that there was something wrong with me. I had a good circle of friends but ones that were formed over many years.
As I grew older the rose coloured glasses started to crack and it was after 30 that I learned. My best friend since grade 4 was subtle but persistent with the 🔪 Envy to her very core.
I started to look at the world differently, mainly it’s when I stopped worrying about what others thought of me/pleasing them & changed my life dramatically (lifestyle, looks, adult industry work, personality, social circle) entirely…this was also due to financial pressure (no family).
I then met evil face to face via a man…which changed my life forever. Hard lessons learned - but I don’t regret it because I now have almost a psychic level of laser focus into people.
If women decided to treat other women like their sisters, stopped the jealousy bs, stuck together and had each other’s backs, we’d be an unstoppable force.
It’s generally 99% over the desire for MEN in the first place that causes the envy and behaviour like this. True, healthy detachment like this requires faith and being ok with the lot you’ve receive in life. Having a spirit of giving and service.
We do not have to live in a world where people think they need to behave this way to survive.
@violet slatis me also. Alot has changed. The laser focus she speaks of almost scares me sometimes. Its almost like a radar now
Same here darling,life has punched me into abominations since I was little yet I always eexpected the best of people..now in my 30s having to deal with a horrible incurable chronic illness,having no job,friends,never been had a friend,never beencin a relationship or a party cuz im sick since my 20s and people in my hometown hate me but i cant leave,now i get what people truly is. I dont if its that i was too dumb to see the truth or I was lying to myself
In my case it always has been that what didnt killed me has made stranger
Die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian i guess😂
Great performance.
2019 Glenn will finally win her oscar
Too bad she didn’t though Olivia Colman’s rendition of the dysfunctional queen was terrific. Colman has had so much exposure. Close deserves it, but it’s also easy to get bad vehicles.
I love the scene where she gets out of the carriage with this traitorous smile on her face and immediately switches into false pity.
The part where she said, she practiced acting to cheerful as she stabbed a fork into her hand sent chills down my spine. The fact that she’s willing to go through such pain in order to come out on top is crazy.
@00:41 that little giggle is everything.
This should have been an Oscar win for G Close!...one of the few she missed!
Ms. Doubtfire is savage
😆😆
Such a fantastically twisted story. It didn't seem to get the kudos it deserved when it was made.
Based queen. She may be wrong, but she's got the spirit. Win or die. My queen wouldn't have cared about the mirror moment at the end. She just hates to walk away from the mirror to the crowd because she is leaving bestie behind. Love that reflection xx
“Cruel Intentions” ……but before that was THIS. ❤
Cruel Intentions was based on this
You do not have to completely answer any question posed to you. Answer but not completely. And do not - ever - give away your trade secrets. EVER.
You speak not the bull crap.
One of the best movies EVER!!!!😃
Damn that was good
FABULOUS! JUST FABULOUS!
She’s the Queen!!!👑👑👑👑👑👑👑
In a twisted way, this movie was quite a feminist piece. Such that, the twist went about when the Marquise revealed to Valmont that her victory was not over Madame de Tourvel; but it was after him all these times.
While the entire movie can easily be seen as a cruel woman [Marquise] ready to sacrifice the women in her life path, yet her ultimate goal was to conquer the men instead. Hints of these are given especially during the tea session between her and Valmont.
Such that, when Valmont asked her how she managed to manipulate others she told him how she learned from her own painful past how she came out to be a "virtuoso of deceit".
But when push comes to shove, no evil deeds go unpunished when her devious plan were revealed among the Parisian society. Thus, she got what she deserved of having many lives becoming pawns in her plans.
True! But there is!always someone who just enjoys playing games (in this case peoples' lives.
‘Avenging my sex’ is just a lie she tells herself in order to feel good and justified. She’s not a feminist in any way as she uses the patriarchal system to keep other women down. She has the mentality of a queen, who thinks herself above other measly women, and men as well.
What a mood this scene is
this is a great movie.
The nuances of this text in the mouths of these virtuosos are a true prodigiosa of interpretation
I literally feel like I’m living this movie…..
Glenn Close 🔥🔥🔥
She reminds me of a Tolkien character not spoken of much, queen Berutiel of Gobdor in the 3rd age. She was a plotting queen, whom used her cats to spy on the men of Gondor, to find their darkest secrets.
Eventually, she was exiled from the kingdom, along with her cats.