There's a word that Brendan Rogers used once in his pre-game press conference and 3 times in his post game talk, and that is "compact." His use of that before the game gave me hope that the post-Dortmund theme "we need to play our game better" might be modified. And as he confirmed post-Atalanta, it was. Hopefully, that will be a template for away games in Europe going forward.
Love this podcast. Funny you're clarifying the wage bill info because after watching the game I actually had to check their wage bill myself in sheer disbelief 😂😂😂. Keep up the fantastic work 🍀💚🍀
great discusson as usual, result was nil all, but to be fair to atalanta a perfect game for both sides was probabaly 5 nil to atalanta , so jj on point. which brings me to why the large variance between potential and outcome, rodgers changed pressing tactics , going back to a 3/4 field position , which allowed celtic to limit atalantas ability to out transition celtic by compressing the field to some extent, even still atalanta should have had a lead at ht people have short memories, Kennedie's 3/4 press was used during angeball times , and the moral of the story there was that it doesnt matter a hell of a lot whether celtic played a full court press or 3/4 press , quality and speed can beat you and out transition you even if you allow zero meters of space, rodgers got lucky care of gasparini , since for me all atalanta had to do was to put an extra man hard up against celtics back 4 , and it could have been dortmund all over again. celtic have to seriously think about clever ways to use a back 5 , ala glasner at crystal palace. gasparini a tad too cautious , perhaps he was worried about celtics speed out wide , which rarely materialized. and heres the rub, celtic had a speed advantage out wide , but never used it . have to disagree with jj, maeda and khun had a meter on atalantas backs. there are always trade offs in transition tactics, but the bottom line is that even wth engels , celtic dont have the speed and mobility in midfield ro compete . perhaps mccowan needs to start to provide the movement. to end on a positive note , one thing that did change for the better , was that celtics subs maintained composure , and did manage to prevent a momentum tsunami which usually ends up in celtic losing these sorts of games , ala lazio last CL.
Yes indeed, the ''celtic subs maintained composure'' so thus ensuring it was very much a complete great Team effort & performance from both the starting eleven & finishing eleven to secure the 0-0 draw, although on an individual basis & despite Martin Murphy's protestations to the contrary, Idah was truly awful as the lone striker & our current Manager expecting him to hold up play at the very highest level in Europe, was just ridiculous in the extreme & almost as ridiculous as the horrific & horrendous £9.5 million with the add on, he paid for him, but on the hugely positive & in the years to come when this particular fixture gets a mention, Trusty & Scales were solid & stoic & all praise to them for doing what they had to do.
@@frankbrennan1619 Too negative a post after a collective performance like that. Especially at the highest level. We'll slowly get there. However, that was a corner turned on Wednesday night. The players know they're capable of competing in the #UCL. The confidence this gives the players (and supporters) is immeasurable.
@@Johnniebhoy83 Not negative in the slightest & you're only falling into the trap of getting so - called ''negativity'' all muddled & mixed up with perfectly fair & legitimate criticism of my stating Idah's lone striker ''performance'' was truly awful & it was & you disagree with me in that regard & that's perfectly okay & ironic too that I said in my original comment that Wednesday night ''was very much a complete great Team effort & performance'' & still you accuse me of ''too negative a post after a collective performance like that''& so a huge big thank you for that in particular....
Martin, hoping for Villa to go easy on game 8 May be a forlorn hope. This year any of the cash per point money that isn't paid out in a drawn match goes into a giant pool which is then divided by 666 and paid out to teams using the following formula. The team in 36th place gets one share (one 666th) 35th gets 2 shares and so on up to the team in first place in the league getting 36 shares. Therefore teams will want to maximize their points haul and it is a clever way of getting meaningful contests right the way thru all 8 rounds of fixtures.
Hatate misplaces a pass after 10 seconds... it took them only 2 mins to get in behind our midfield were they had 5 runners on our back 4! My initial thought was this is dortmund all over again.
Jumping the gun, but I’ll be interested in James’ analysis of Zagreb as from what I have seen of them I think we have a great chance of getting a result over there. ‘ This is the day that we win away’
Various answers, kept R footed guy on R and L footed guy on L as we do now, coupled with really different approaches in attack, far more central with 2 up top and rarely did defences play a high line. End result fewer occasions where needing to turn. Football is becoming far far more specialised these days, so players are becoming much better at a small number of things but much less adaptable.
We all ''loved the game'' ONLY because of how it ended 0-0 & it was ALWAYS going to be the case that our current Manager was NOT ever going to go toe to toe with Atalanta as with Dortmund, because even his demented ego knew for sure, that ANYTHING like yet another horrific, horrendous & humiliating Champions League defeat following on so quickly from the Dortmund one, was COMPLETELY unjustifiable & unsustainable on every level & so in that context, he jettisoned ALL the nonsense of us going toe to toe with far superior players playing in a far superior domestic League, but we all know, or should do, he wasn't COMPLETELY happy to do so, as with his ''pragmatic enough for you'' at the game's conclusion....
Somebody tell Juco that Atalanta won the Europa League Final 4.0 as recently as May beating the previously unbeaten Leverkusen...Atalanta are every bit the equal of Dortmund...
Hmmm - interesting point. Atalanta are nothing like as seasoned a European club as Dortmund. That ‘culture of arrogance’ is engrained in sides like these
Atalanta are traditionally a club that bounces between Serie 'A' & Serie 'B'. They have seriously punched above their weight over the last ten years or so and they are a club that Celtic can learn a lot from BUT they are nowhere near as good as Borussia Dortmund
I don't agree with Kyogo being a better option against a superior team. The ball does not stick to him at all and in attempting to counter attack, we're making it a basketball game that we don't have the physicality for. I really enjoyed preseason, but we're in the now playing against fully fit, fully prepared teams, so we're not getting away with that. I think Idah let's the defenders know he's there and occupies them better than Kyogo. We shouldn't abandon attempts with Idah just because we only managed a great result against a good team.
@@Sk.6789 Absolutely ''the ball doesn't stick to Idah either'' & his first touch is similarly woeful & atrocious & so he's completely out of his depth playing at the very highest level in Europe & such perfectly legitimate criticism is not to do him down just for the hell of it, but instead ONLY giving an accurate & totally fair assessment of his abilities when playing at this level & not forgetting too, that these huge big weaknesses of his would be accepted & tolerated a bit more if we had bought him at his true market value of £4.5 million maximum, but sadly all financial common sense & prudence went oot the windae with Rodgers so stupidly buying him for a most ridiculous £9.5 million with the add on.
He needs to be given a chance. Kyogo showed very little in the Dortmund game. There's no point eulogising players just because they haven't played so their best games are on the bench. Idah is still young and has the potential for improvement. He's come into the squad and isn't being given a lot of starts. It's not just that though. Setting the team up to come on to an attacking pivot gives us something to come on to. With Kyogo we have 3 attackers trying to get in behind and leaves our midfield trying to plug gaps when the ball comes back towards us
@@rossevans2261 And this is EXACTLY what happens when a Club pays way over the true market value for a player or most sadly, DOUBLE the true market value as in Idah's case with all the ''he needs to be given a chance'' & '' he is still young & has the potential for improvement'' & other such nonsense, simply because when you have the very silly price tag that Idah has & of course, it's not his fault, ONLY all Rodgers's fault, but when you do have it, like it or not, expectations amongst supporters go through the roof & actually expect him to perform like a £9.5 million type player & when he doesn't when playing at the very highest level in Europe, all the ''he needs to be given a chance'' etc gets trotted out....
@@frankbrennan1619 Manage your own expectations then. What do you want? You're hiding behind what "people expect". Just man up and say you expect... The sums paid for Idah and Engels are not exorbitant in today's market, but we all know that we paid through the nose for Idah because the club mucked about and waited till the last minute. We need to get recruitment right as a club and have players lined up for Rodgers to look at, and that didn't happen. That's not Rodgers fault. All of that doesn't mean that Idah is as good as he's going to be though. He's 23, has ability and parts of his game that he can work on. He'll come good
Missing you Alan. Your analysis of the recent history of the team across the city was brilliant.
There's a word that Brendan Rogers used once in his pre-game press conference and 3 times in his post game talk, and that is "compact." His use of that before the game gave me hope that the post-Dortmund theme "we need to play our game better" might be modified. And as he confirmed post-Atalanta, it was. Hopefully, that will be a template for away games in Europe going forward.
This new league format is superb! Really suits teams at our level and benefits Scottish teams in general
Great show as always - the Celtic podcast for academics, love it! Also interesting: how gingers respectively Irish landed in Barbados.
Alan, get well soon man 🤞
Love this podcast. Funny you're clarifying the wage bill info because after watching the game I actually had to check their wage bill myself in sheer disbelief 😂😂😂. Keep up the fantastic work 🍀💚🍀
Poetry corner is like The Finer Things Club in The Office
Love hearing the other teams perspective . Great feature.
great show today,,guys...
In fairness I think Idah was playing to provide defensive cover for set pieces due to the overall height advantage of Atalanta at set pieces.
Great ep 👏 hope Alan is ok 🍻
Missing you already, Alan, but yet another superb broadcast.
Dear old Alan is still recovering from that The Hundle Breakdown monologue of his.....
Hundle breakdown 😂😂😂😂
I'll take Celtic signing Lennon Miller and letting Motherwell keep him for a season.
Thanks guys!
great discusson as usual,
result was nil all, but to be fair to atalanta a perfect game for both sides was probabaly 5 nil to atalanta , so jj on point. which brings me to why the large variance between potential and outcome,
rodgers changed pressing tactics , going back to a 3/4 field position , which allowed celtic to limit atalantas ability to out transition celtic by compressing the field to some extent, even still atalanta should have had a lead at ht
people have short memories, Kennedie's 3/4 press was used during angeball times , and the moral of the story there was that it doesnt matter a hell of a lot whether celtic played a full court press or 3/4 press , quality and speed can beat you and out transition you even if you allow zero meters of space,
rodgers got lucky care of gasparini , since for me all atalanta had to do was to put an extra man hard up against celtics back 4 , and it could have been dortmund all over again. celtic have to seriously think about clever ways to use a back 5 , ala glasner at crystal palace. gasparini a tad too cautious , perhaps he was worried about celtics speed out wide , which rarely materialized.
and heres the rub, celtic had a speed advantage out wide , but never used it . have to disagree with jj, maeda and khun had a meter on atalantas backs. there are always trade offs in transition tactics, but the bottom line is that even wth engels , celtic dont have the speed and mobility in midfield ro compete . perhaps mccowan needs to start to provide the movement.
to end on a positive note , one thing that did change for the better , was that celtics subs maintained composure , and did manage to prevent a momentum tsunami which usually ends up in celtic losing these sorts of games , ala lazio last CL.
Yes indeed, the ''celtic subs maintained composure'' so thus ensuring it was very much a complete great Team effort & performance from both the starting eleven & finishing eleven to secure the 0-0 draw, although on an individual basis & despite Martin Murphy's protestations to the contrary, Idah was truly awful as the lone striker & our current Manager expecting him to hold up play at the very highest level in Europe, was just ridiculous in the extreme & almost as ridiculous as the horrific & horrendous £9.5 million with the add on, he paid for him, but on the hugely positive & in the years to come when this particular fixture gets a mention, Trusty & Scales were solid & stoic & all praise to them for doing what they had to do.
@@frankbrennan1619 Too negative a post after a collective performance like that. Especially at the highest level. We'll slowly get there. However, that was a corner turned on Wednesday night. The players know they're capable of competing in the #UCL. The confidence this gives the players (and supporters) is immeasurable.
@@Johnniebhoy83 Not negative in the slightest & you're only falling into the trap of getting so - called ''negativity'' all muddled & mixed up with perfectly fair & legitimate criticism of my stating Idah's lone striker ''performance'' was truly awful & it was & you disagree with me in that regard & that's perfectly okay & ironic too that I said in my original comment that Wednesday night ''was very much a complete great Team effort & performance'' & still you accuse me of ''too negative a post after a collective performance like that''& so a huge big thank you for that in particular....
@@frankbrennan1619 Sorry, I can only take what I read and respond. I didn't see any other comments you may have made, just this one.
Have to say, that wage bill comment last week made me sound silly when I told the troops and got fact checked in person 😂
That would have been a killer had they nicked it at the end
De Vries or something? I had erased him from my memory 🤣
Yes. Big Dorus! 😱
Best intro music👍🏽
Martin, hoping for Villa to go easy on game 8 May be a forlorn hope. This year any of the cash per point money that isn't paid out in a drawn match goes into a giant pool which is then divided by 666 and paid out to teams using the following formula.
The team in 36th place gets one share (one 666th) 35th gets 2 shares and so on up to the team in first place in the league getting 36 shares.
Therefore teams will want to maximize their points haul and it is a clever way of getting meaningful contests right the way thru all 8 rounds of fixtures.
Hatate misplaces a pass after 10 seconds... it took them only 2 mins to get in behind our midfield were they had 5 runners on our back 4! My initial thought was this is dortmund all over again.
Jumping the gun, but I’ll be interested in James’ analysis of Zagreb as from what I have seen of them I think we have a great chance of getting a result over there. ‘ This is the day that we win away’
On the other hand I watched Brugge away to Milan. They should have been 4 to the good before they got a man sent off.
@@johnsteel9781 Hence why, taking Leipzig and Brugge games, I think we might need to get a result in Zagreb, John 🫣
I will be interested as well - haven't dug into any of the next 3 CL opponents materially yet!
Doris...!
I don’t get this “he is out of position at RCB” how did the old CBs manage?
Various answers, kept R footed guy on R and L footed guy on L as we do now, coupled with really different approaches in attack, far more central with 2 up top and rarely did defences play a high line. End result fewer occasions where needing to turn. Football is becoming far far more specialised these days, so players are becoming much better at a small number of things but much less adaptable.
Don't use AI for anything other than inspiration. There's a lot of misinformation (still) coming out of it.
💯 and I knew/know better...to the degree that I know "AI" is mostly a marketing gimmick for ML at this stage. Makes my mistake even more embarrassing!
@@jucojames It happens to all of us. Don't worry!
Hope you feel better Alan. I was looking forward to hearing you talk about Brendan’s tactics. Did he park the bus? I loved the game.
We all ''loved the game'' ONLY because of how it ended 0-0 & it was ALWAYS going to be the case that our current Manager was NOT ever going to go toe to toe with Atalanta as with Dortmund, because even his demented ego knew for sure, that ANYTHING like yet another horrific, horrendous & humiliating Champions League defeat following on so quickly from the Dortmund one, was COMPLETELY unjustifiable & unsustainable on every level & so in that context, he jettisoned ALL the nonsense of us going toe to toe with far superior players playing in a far superior domestic League, but we all know, or should do, he wasn't COMPLETELY happy to do so, as with his ''pragmatic enough for you'' at the game's conclusion....
Valle can dribble better than Taylor
I’m sure Brendon will make the right decision concerning these two eventually unfortunately Ville is on loan.
A
Somebody tell Juco that Atalanta won the Europa League Final 4.0 as recently as May beating the previously unbeaten Leverkusen...Atalanta are every bit the equal of Dortmund...
Hmmm - interesting point.
Atalanta are nothing like as seasoned a European club as Dortmund. That ‘culture of arrogance’ is engrained in sides like these
Watched the game, actually, and have analyzed all three teams mentioned quite a bit - disagree with your view but fair enough.
Atalanta are traditionally a club that bounces between Serie 'A' & Serie 'B'. They have seriously punched above their weight over the last ten years or so and they are a club that Celtic can learn a lot from BUT they are nowhere near as good as Borussia Dortmund
I don't agree with Kyogo being a better option against a superior team. The ball does not stick to him at all and in attempting to counter attack, we're making it a basketball game that we don't have the physicality for. I really enjoyed preseason, but we're in the now playing against fully fit, fully prepared teams, so we're not getting away with that.
I think Idah let's the defenders know he's there and occupies them better than Kyogo. We shouldn't abandon attempts with Idah just because we only managed a great result against a good team.
The ball doesn’t stick to Idah either. His touch is terrible and he’s nowhere near technical enough to be able to lay it off successfully
@@Sk.6789 Absolutely ''the ball doesn't stick to Idah either'' & his first touch is similarly woeful & atrocious & so he's completely out of his depth playing at the very highest level in Europe & such perfectly legitimate criticism is not to do him down just for the hell of it, but instead ONLY giving an accurate & totally fair assessment of his abilities when playing at this level & not forgetting too, that these huge big weaknesses of his would be accepted & tolerated a bit more if we had bought him at his true market value of £4.5 million maximum, but sadly all financial common sense & prudence went oot the windae with Rodgers so stupidly buying him for a most ridiculous £9.5 million with the add on.
He needs to be given a chance. Kyogo showed very little in the Dortmund game. There's no point eulogising players just because they haven't played so their best games are on the bench. Idah is still young and has the potential for improvement. He's come into the squad and isn't being given a lot of starts.
It's not just that though. Setting the team up to come on to an attacking pivot gives us something to come on to. With Kyogo we have 3 attackers trying to get in behind and leaves our midfield trying to plug gaps when the ball comes back towards us
@@rossevans2261 And this is EXACTLY what happens when a Club pays way over the true market value for a player or most sadly, DOUBLE the true market value as in Idah's case with all the ''he needs to be given a chance'' & '' he is still young & has the potential for improvement'' & other such nonsense, simply because when you have the very silly price tag that Idah has & of course, it's not his fault, ONLY all Rodgers's fault, but when you do have it, like it or not, expectations amongst supporters go through the roof & actually expect him to perform like a £9.5 million type player & when he doesn't when playing at the very highest level in Europe, all the ''he needs to be given a chance'' etc gets trotted out....
@@frankbrennan1619 Manage your own expectations then. What do you want? You're hiding behind what "people expect". Just man up and say you expect...
The sums paid for Idah and Engels are not exorbitant in today's market, but we all know that we paid through the nose for Idah because the club mucked about and waited till the last minute. We need to get recruitment right as a club and have players lined up for Rodgers to look at, and that didn't happen. That's not Rodgers fault.
All of that doesn't mean that Idah is as good as he's going to be though. He's 23, has ability and parts of his game that he can work on. He'll come good
Haste ye back, Mr Morrison. 🫶 Sláinte.