www.restedxp.com/?ref=nlgxd real good lvling guide, used it and my own methods to hit 80 in ~28 hrs or so, real chill with reputation & big gold forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=380134 - best affliction warlock written guide ever made ua-cam.com/video/zd9YVv9hx00/v-deo.html - full affliction lock guide with enchants/gems/spell overview etc ua-cam.com/video/22gu3aczWhU/v-deo.html - full corruption snapshotting video ua-cam.com/video/UfTxnHxinSQ/v-deo.html - full drain soul video discord.gg/dBrNsnMwkP - ua-cam.com/video/iF8xiL_rCm4/v-deo.html for full breakdown - Updated WOTLK Classic UI, keybinds, macros, addons, leveling spec, weakauras, opener rotations, etc - check pins in general tab and watch ua-cam.com/video/iF8xiL_rCm4/v-deo.html discord.gg/eNhNQvPGAw - most of the good WA's aren't mine to give away. This is all the weakauras made by "MERFIN" (all the good ones basically) go DM him for info on how to get them (i think most are just a twitch sub) DM him directly got target hp % weakaura (VERY IMPORTANT), spellreplay addon, preraid bis lists etc. in my discord now. still looking for a few addons and some weakauras to be made audio got fkd up a bit cuz youtube copyright stuff, ~12min and ~18min, hopefully u can still hear it ty all like the video
Crixx was an OG tbc private server guy with all the knowledge releasing this type of content before tbc classic came out. He has 20k subs now. You keep putting out this quality for wrath man and your channel will blow up.
thanks a lot man, i'm trying to strike that perfect balance between "too in depth" and "not enough information" and it's honestly hard as hell, lol. I actually ended up cutting out some more min-maxxy stuff in here cause i realized I already hit 50mins and took out some extra visuals from the intro :P maybe itll make another video
Hey man!! I remember seeing this video a while ago. I’m currently playing Destro MS and heavily involved. Do you perhaps think that this spec is viable now? I’m so interested in trying it out, even tonight! If you need to check anything out, my character is Shoxster on Golemagg
I'm already sure you create this class for Blizzard mate. This info will save months to players like me to be more effective with the class. I'm happy that I found your page buddy keep going!!! - Bruthzor
Great spec to mess around on but unfortunately due to it being 40 points in demo, you will log as a demo lock whilst doing less damage than a deep demo build. It definitely beats a deep destro build though, but wont log as destro.
I actually have beaten deep demo locks of my guild whilst they have better gear and PI prio. The Build is a nice contender for doing something else once in a while. IM destro geared and destro specced 90% of the time so going Hybrid is kinda fun!
i think the meta for demo will transition to "support/simp" demo and do substantially less 'cause pet will be afk so i'd say it's definitely stronger than that version of demo. hybrid as well as destro specs revolve around conflagrate and how it scales so honestly both specs are still a big question mark to me on classic. if you look at the logs breakdown you can see the insanely high crit % of several different aspects of immolate, conflag application/dot, etc I'm talking 20-30% higher than my actual current spell crit. Obviously there's many factors that play into crit % but i'm personally skeptical and wouldn't be surprised if the spec isn't nearly as powerful as pservers. TL;DR hybrid > destro > demo
@NLG I know back the first time around there was an issue with not registering immolate I believe because the landing damage counted as direct damage and then ticks were dots and the buff proc had to come off the dot damage. So basically you couldn't conflagrate until immolate actually dot ticked. I'm hyped for Wrath, really cool build, I may have to try it out a bit. But I know I'll fall to Affliction, I swapped to Aff main after a bit of a break before ICC came out, was an hpal main since vanilla up until then. lol Fell in love with that rotation. (May have to rock some Destro in BGs for fun if I have time to farm the gear).
Just looking at some napkin math for the glyphs you mentioned. If your immolate plus conflag components did roughly 345k there with the glyph, then you would have done roughly 313k without it, about a 32k dmg increase. If the imp was boosted with its glyph, it's dmg would go from 143k to 171k, a 28k dmg increase. The glyph of incinerate would add around 20k dmg. Since our damage scales faster than our pets, do you think there's a time in the early part of t7 where glyph of imp would provide more benefit than glyph of immolate? And would that change your thoughts on putting that 5th point into master demonologist?
A follow up about the glyph of quick decay. You would need to check your logs to really calculate the exact damage, but in theory by applying your 21% haste to corruption, you would have 21% more molten core procs. In a 2.5 minute patchwork fight, you would go from 8 casts of corruption up to 10. At 6 ticks per cast, that's a change from 48 ticks to 60 and an average of 5 MC procs up to 7 MC procs. More than likely, one of those extra procs would be near the middle of the fight, and the second would be within execute range. Since we saw that the glyph of immolate in bis gear added roughly 32k damage, we would compare that to the average damage increase of 3 incinerates and 3 soul fires being cast with molten core when they otherwise wouldn't.
first off saph is a bad example, movement is gonna give pet a bit more dmg, i'd have to look at the hybrid patchwerk pull in a recent vid. but ye i guess its possible that imp would do more than immo glyph in preraid bis or somethin. i still think the point would be better put into 2% crit demonic tactics
'molten core makes immolate last 24 seconds instead of 15 seconds, but conflag only works on 15 seconds of immolate regardless of if you have the talent or not" Someone posted that in the warlock discord. Is this still the case ?
bad dungeon spec, definitely go destro or demo ( i recommend demo ua-cam.com/video/xewwBOUXPM8/v-deo.html) yes i think it will be very good in t8 but i think affliction will be better for sure
@@NLGwotlkclassic thanks for the reply man, definitely pumped to give this spec a shot in raids when classic comes along, been torn between warlock and enhance for wotlk but I think I'll just duo main lol
Does the 9 second increase to immolate duration from Molten Core also increase Conflagrate damage? So is the "60% of immolate damage" based on the 15s duration or the 24s duration? Thanks! Definitely going to make this spec my second warlock spec after Affliction. It looks fun!
Conflagrate does since patch 3.3 do dmg based of only 9 sec of immolate. If Molten Core makes it calculate in an additional 9 sec it should basically be a double dmg increase which should be really easy to test and find out
What are you think: Is 5/5 in master demo + 1/5 in demonic tactics better then 4/5md + 2/5 demtact? 1% dmg + 3% crit should be better then 4% crit... (in case that you put just 1 point in suppression)
i think demonic tacts is the strongest point out of all of those and u should try gearing around that, suppression is probably the weakest point but it also works pretty well with my current T7 BIS + midsummer buff
i think it's got a spot in t9 for sure. In full T9 BIS you actually have almost the exact same amount of haste while simultaneously having more crit & SP (this build scales better with crit %.) The only caveat is that a few fights are just made for multidotting and you'll get smoked by a good affliction lock. By the time you hit t10 this will 99% get outscaled. As you can see with 750~ haste I'm nearly reaching GCD cap with my soulfire whereas with affliction there is no haste cap on drain soul/corruption etc. In full ICC bis you'll likely have at least 1200 haste and some of the power of this spec goes away. Still a majority of the game this spec will be fun and very good total damage (very bad cleave though)
We always called this spec (or anything similar to it) MGI. Machine gun Imp because of all the improved Imp talents. That being said there’s no way 1% hit from talents is better than 1% damage. Just grab an extra hit piece of gear or change some gems to get hit rating socket bonuses.
haha never heard of that. But yea that's what i'm thinking as well, just feels kinda strange running with a 213 cincture over malygos 226 belt early on. By t9 I think there's tons of different options (and tbh i'd only run aff in t8/t10) and it'll be more easy to play around with better talents
i will :P but been procrastinating cuz in classic they'll have actual addons/weakauras, think these current ones all gonna go away with classic release :(
probably not tbh, it's missing a ton of stuff that u would want in PVP. i think i'd rather go full demo or full destro over this spec for pvp. Maybe for BGS its decent tho, not sure since im PVE boomer now
The conflag thing after immolate happens to me as well, i dont know if its a bug on global cd, but it seems its a bug on private servers, cause i play on frostmourne too
www.restedxp.com/?ref=nlgxd real good lvling guide, used it and my own methods to hit 80 in ~28 hrs or so, real chill with reputation & big gold
forum.warmane.com/showthread.php?t=380134 - best affliction warlock written guide ever made
ua-cam.com/video/zd9YVv9hx00/v-deo.html - full affliction lock guide with enchants/gems/spell overview etc
ua-cam.com/video/22gu3aczWhU/v-deo.html - full corruption snapshotting video
ua-cam.com/video/UfTxnHxinSQ/v-deo.html - full drain soul video
discord.gg/dBrNsnMwkP - ua-cam.com/video/iF8xiL_rCm4/v-deo.html for full breakdown - Updated WOTLK Classic UI, keybinds, macros, addons, leveling spec, weakauras, opener rotations, etc - check pins in general tab and watch ua-cam.com/video/iF8xiL_rCm4/v-deo.html
discord.gg/eNhNQvPGAw - most of the good WA's aren't mine to give away. This is all the weakauras made by "MERFIN" (all the good ones basically) go DM him for info on how to get them (i think most are just a twitch sub) DM him directly
got target hp % weakaura (VERY IMPORTANT), spellreplay addon, preraid bis lists etc. in my discord now. still looking for a few addons and some weakauras to be made
audio got fkd up a bit cuz youtube copyright stuff, ~12min and ~18min, hopefully u can still hear it
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Hope your channel blows up man. This is premium content for wrath. Thanks a lot man. Giving us all a leg up on the competition.
thanks, means a lot man, i'm having a blast making these types of niche videos :P
Crixx was an OG tbc private server guy with all the knowledge releasing this type of content before tbc classic came out. He has 20k subs now. You keep putting out this quality for wrath man and your channel will blow up.
Your doing a crazy good job with these videos man, loving them
thanks a lot man, i'm trying to strike that perfect balance between "too in depth" and "not enough information" and it's honestly hard as hell, lol. I actually ended up cutting out some more min-maxxy stuff in here cause i realized I already hit 50mins and took out some extra visuals from the intro :P maybe itll make another video
Hey man!! I remember seeing this video a while ago. I’m currently playing Destro MS and heavily involved. Do you perhaps think that this spec is viable now? I’m so interested in trying it out, even tonight! If you need to check anything out, my character is Shoxster on Golemagg
I'm already sure you create this class for Blizzard mate. This info will save months to players like me to be more effective with the class. I'm happy that I found your page buddy keep going!!! - Bruthzor
i played it 7 years ago lol
Great spec to mess around on but unfortunately due to it being 40 points in demo, you will log as a demo lock whilst doing less damage than a deep demo build. It definitely beats a deep destro build though, but wont log as destro.
I actually have beaten deep demo locks of my guild whilst they have better gear and PI prio.
The Build is a nice contender for doing something else once in a while. IM destro geared and destro specced 90% of the time so going Hybrid is kinda fun!
Nice Video. Do you have your W/A link?
Amazing vid, and btw would you say it's stronger averall in naxx than destro/demo normal specs?
i think the meta for demo will transition to "support/simp" demo and do substantially less 'cause pet will be afk so i'd say it's definitely stronger than that version of demo.
hybrid as well as destro specs revolve around conflagrate and how it scales so honestly both specs are still a big question mark to me on classic. if you look at the logs breakdown you can see the insanely high crit % of several different aspects of immolate, conflag application/dot, etc I'm talking 20-30% higher than my actual current spell crit. Obviously there's many factors that play into crit % but i'm personally skeptical and wouldn't be surprised if the spec isn't nearly as powerful as pservers.
TL;DR hybrid > destro > demo
@@NLGwotlkclassic tyvm
Your channel is the best, I'm learning a lot.
thanks that means a lot
@NLG I know back the first time around there was an issue with not registering immolate I believe because the landing damage counted as direct damage and then ticks were dots and the buff proc had to come off the dot damage. So basically you couldn't conflagrate until immolate actually dot ticked. I'm hyped for Wrath, really cool build, I may have to try it out a bit. But I know I'll fall to Affliction, I swapped to Aff main after a bit of a break before ICC came out, was an hpal main since vanilla up until then. lol Fell in love with that rotation. (May have to rock some Destro in BGs for fun if I have time to farm the gear).
Ye figured it was smtn like this xd
man you are so correct about the conflag thing when u can't just use it right after the Immolate lands and it's irritating tbh x)
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isnt glyph of incinerate better?
@nglwotlkclassic any chance of getting an ICC update for this it's pretty fun just want to try and max it I love off neta stuff
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Is it possible to make a lvl 70 version of this spec for the pre-patch or does this only work properly at 80?
nahhh just go destro :p
So how is this hybrid build performing on live servers, are people running it at all ?
What destruction spec should i play in prepatch. Thanks you are great.
Why you want to drop Immolate and Corruption on Execute? They still buff your Soul Fire considerably.
If I wanted to rock this what would the pre-raid bis look like? Would it copy mostly Demo or Destro? I take it SP > Crit > Haste > Spirit?
Hit > sp > crit > spirit > haste imo. No accurate weights yet but haste rly not great esp once ur t7 bis
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Just looking at some napkin math for the glyphs you mentioned. If your immolate plus conflag components did roughly 345k there with the glyph, then you would have done roughly 313k without it, about a 32k dmg increase. If the imp was boosted with its glyph, it's dmg would go from 143k to 171k, a 28k dmg increase. The glyph of incinerate would add around 20k dmg. Since our damage scales faster than our pets, do you think there's a time in the early part of t7 where glyph of imp would provide more benefit than glyph of immolate? And would that change your thoughts on putting that 5th point into master demonologist?
A follow up about the glyph of quick decay. You would need to check your logs to really calculate the exact damage, but in theory by applying your 21% haste to corruption, you would have 21% more molten core procs. In a 2.5 minute patchwork fight, you would go from 8 casts of corruption up to 10. At 6 ticks per cast, that's a change from 48 ticks to 60 and an average of 5 MC procs up to 7 MC procs. More than likely, one of those extra procs would be near the middle of the fight, and the second would be within execute range. Since we saw that the glyph of immolate in bis gear added roughly 32k damage, we would compare that to the average damage increase of 3 incinerates and 3 soul fires being cast with molten core when they otherwise wouldn't.
first off saph is a bad example, movement is gonna give pet a bit more dmg, i'd have to look at the hybrid patchwerk pull in a recent vid. but ye i guess its possible that imp would do more than immo glyph in preraid bis or somethin. i still think the point would be better put into 2% crit demonic tactics
Has this been revisited in classic ? Looks like a lot of fun and worth it for quicker fights that we got in naxx
'molten core makes immolate last 24 seconds instead of 15 seconds, but conflag only works on 15 seconds of immolate regardless of if you have the talent or not"
Someone posted that in the warlock discord. Is this still the case ?
I just tried it and you can totally conflag 3 times during one immolation.
I think its good but havent tested myself
Any potential beyond the phat dps? Deep demo has demonic pact which is such a sick raid buff fx
Ye u would still need a demo lock with DP, this brings no raid utility just blasts
Is this a good dungeon spec or only worth using in raid? And in the same vein of my first question is this competitive in T8?
bad dungeon spec, definitely go destro or demo ( i recommend demo ua-cam.com/video/xewwBOUXPM8/v-deo.html) yes i think it will be very good in t8 but i think affliction will be better for sure
@@NLGwotlkclassic thanks for the reply man, definitely pumped to give this spec a shot in raids when classic comes along, been torn between warlock and enhance for wotlk but I think I'll just duo main lol
Does the 9 second increase to immolate duration from Molten Core also increase Conflagrate damage? So is the "60% of immolate damage" based on the 15s duration or the 24s duration? Thanks!
Definitely going to make this spec my second warlock spec after Affliction. It looks fun!
yes it would increase conflagrate damage too :P
Conflagrate does since patch 3.3 do dmg based of only 9 sec of immolate. If Molten Core makes it calculate in an additional 9 sec it should basically be a double dmg increase which should be really easy to test and find out
What are you think:
Is 5/5 in master demo + 1/5 in demonic tactics better then 4/5md + 2/5 demtact? 1% dmg + 3% crit should be better then 4% crit... (in case that you put just 1 point in suppression)
i think demonic tacts is the strongest point out of all of those and u should try gearing around that, suppression is probably the weakest point but it also works pretty well with my current T7 BIS + midsummer buff
Still tempted to run this in classic.
Bet its legit havent tried myself tho
Playable in T9 T10, or just a specc for Naxx?
i think it's got a spot in t9 for sure. In full T9 BIS you actually have almost the exact same amount of haste while simultaneously having more crit & SP (this build scales better with crit %.) The only caveat is that a few fights are just made for multidotting and you'll get smoked by a good affliction lock.
By the time you hit t10 this will 99% get outscaled. As you can see with 750~ haste I'm nearly reaching GCD cap with my soulfire whereas with affliction there is no haste cap on drain soul/corruption etc. In full ICC bis you'll likely have at least 1200 haste and some of the power of this spec goes away.
Still a majority of the game this spec will be fun and very good total damage (very bad cleave though)
@@NLGwotlkclassic Thanks a lot, appreciate your effort you put in this Channel for all the lock tryharders out here!
@NLG WOTLK Classic did u trythis build at classic ?
Nah havent tried yet
We always called this spec (or anything similar to it) MGI. Machine gun Imp because of all the improved Imp talents. That being said there’s no way 1% hit from talents is better than 1% damage. Just grab an extra hit piece of gear or change some gems to get hit rating socket bonuses.
haha never heard of that. But yea that's what i'm thinking as well, just feels kinda strange running with a 213 cincture over malygos 226 belt early on. By t9 I think there's tons of different options (and tbh i'd only run aff in t8/t10) and it'll be more easy to play around with better talents
please make a video about how you setup your weakauras perfectly like this or where u get them from
i will :P but been procrastinating cuz in classic they'll have actual addons/weakauras, think these current ones all gonna go away with classic release :(
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23:15 you probably can't conflag because immolate hasn't done any periodic damage at this point
Think this spec works for pvp?
probably not tbh, it's missing a ton of stuff that u would want in PVP. i think i'd rather go full demo or full destro over this spec for pvp. Maybe for BGS its decent tho, not sure since im PVE boomer now
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So this works out better than full destro?
Ye the execute way better
The conflag thing after immolate happens to me as well, i dont know if its a bug on global cd, but it seems its a bug on private servers, cause i play on frostmourne too
Ye mega annoying apparently classic works the same too
What about glyph of imp giving 20% bonus?
Na other glyphs outweigh it heavily especially since classic pet scripting is so bad, imp loses a ton of casts
life tap gives mana based on rank and spellpower not spirit broda
yea i misspoke lol, it's in description, was trying to say lifetap gives SP based on spirit
Oh shit ye I forgot to read it, I swear I always look at the descriptions anyway good video
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what addon shows casts plus damage numbers?
spellreplay addon brader
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It's pronounced con-fla-grate, not con-flag-rate.
Please stop moving your mouse when you talk about a talent. The "blinking" tooltip is very distracting
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