Important note on the Gnome Engineering trinket "Gnomish Battlechicken" Using it will invalid your guild's logs on WCL for the upcoming "Wrath of the Lichking" expansion on Blizzard's official Classic servers
Thank you very much to the author for the detailed guide, I’m from the CIS and I was looking everywhere for a normal guide to Arms Var but there was none, and miraculously I came across this video, THANK YOU!!!!!
7:50 the chicken is worth it people! nah for real good guide man. It's nice to see you & your crew putting out this type of material for people before wrath classic. Cheers
amazing video. glad to see someone put a bit of effort into making it easier to digest for someone who has yet to absorb the new names and positions of each new as well as old talent.
amazing video! i would love to have a video like this for fury as well of course and maybe just a general overview of what each class has changed not really going in depth of the raid stuff maybe? but yea either way great video and ty for making it!
I keep hearing everywhere from content creators and raiders that BS is just objectively worse than engy. I'm trying to balance PvP w/ PvE though and I think the only benefit of engy in arena that you're allowed to use is the rocket punch. It makes sense to me that getting more STR or ARP from BS sockets when haste is such a bad stat for arms would be the way to go but I keep hearing otherwise that the haste glove ench. is best for coupling with CD windows (in raids).
True for Warrior, but Combat and Assassination sim pretty close enough that you can play either all expansion, combat actually being better on trash and multi-target bosses or bosses with target swapping.
which swingtimer do you use? is it a weakaura? ive tried making one but, it resets on slam instead of pausing, and I have low knowledge of weakauras. if you could tell me which addon or weakaura you use it would be greatly appreciated
I've never touched Wotlk before.. But arms is my baby. Does anyone know if it's like, so awful compared to Fury from t9 onward that I will legit just not be invited to stuff? I guess I can go fury if that's the case but the arms prio system looks super fun, would be a shame. Usually I would tough it out and just play what I like, but I know people like to gatekeep a little on Classic, when it comes to spec's / classes they bring to end-game stuff. Regardless of that though, even if it's only for the first couple tiers, amazing video man. Thanks so much for the help.
I see Foxy's gameplay on Frosthold and he was the rank 1 warrior. I would like to ask him if he has ever played warrior on mop and I would like to ask him for some advice on this, thanks.
Do you ever use your Whirlwind ability? I guess we don't since we are not really using the Berserker Stance... Been leveling as Fury and feel like respeccing to Arms would be a better choice at the moment.
So why spec for stance dance if you're not gonna use it? Isn't it better to get more stun resist (iron will) or even survival (by deflection)? Also with start attack macro for Bladestorm it should pull ahead even on single target, since that enables autoattacks while spinning. Unless that has changed. Also if you're gonna be low on rage why spec for Heroic Strike at all? If you'll rarely use it what does 3 rage matter, when you can spec survivability that will always help.
Nice guide, but what if we want play arms in t9+ how we should gem our character, into str or into arm pene for cap coz we have better trinket than Grim Toll and Mjolnir, we should go for more than 1400 arm pene or when we reach it we should go str, etc. And you could add Opener, how we should start our rotation.
do you use slam regardless of rage, when nothing else is procced? and how often does that leave you with enough rage for HS then in t7? i would assume if you are rage starved and can't properly make use of incite because of that then the imp exec spec would be better no?
Hey bro. First of all, great guide!! Big pogg...but I have couple of questions...I though that 4 parts of t7 were bad and instead of pants u would get razuvious pants for arp and instead of chest u would get leather chest from malygos25 for even more arp...is it also good or is 4 ti7 way better???
In your single target rotation for T7 (starting), it doesnt show mortal strike at all unless your moving and cant slam. Is this really correct? You queue up a heroic strike even before Mortal striking?
Why dont you mention swapping to berserk stance and use recklessness? Also is it worth it to run out of melee range to charge for more rage. Maybe after swing timer goes off.
Hey man thank you for your video. Do you have any ressources showing that expertise gemming is not good? I thought it was the second priority to reach 26 expertise after hit cap for pre bis
No its not. If u get a dodge u can hit an overpower. You are never infront so there is no parry. All together a lack in Expertise isnt as bad as a lack in Hit for example
important note for every alliance that they should know since the game been made if you not play pvp, dwarf is the best race and still even in pvp dwarf still winning on every race as warrior. its basically almost same as orc just different is no axe racial passive that all. why i said dwarf? because stoneform which is remove poison, disease, bleed effect aswell increase 10% armor which is benefit by warrior talent it is very huge increase for dmg and also why i said pvp aswell because you can read stoneform description and 1more is frost resistance by 2%. and cooldown for stoneform is 2min every alliance should know those thing.
+50% bonus in addition to your crit chance from base crit + crit rating. Meaning if you are 2/2 on the talent, the large majority of your OPs will crit.
I already level up my human warrior to 70, iam preparing my professions, my blacksmithing, mining. After that I will farm gold for the Lich King. Iam so excited to make PVP with arms and Prot warrior. 👌😁 Good guide 💪
Hi DunderJ! Amazing video you've made, thank you very much for making this. I've got two questions though, Firstly do you use rend on all targets during AoE or is it enough to use only on one target and then just continue with the AoE priority list? Secondly do you stream?
Arms has more utility, esp from improved bleeds / parsing also doesn't always tell the whole story, I was parsing 90+ in my full blue BM Hunter today because it's so underplayed. does this make BM so much worse? it doesn't, it is just under represented by high end players, not saying this is the same case with arms and fury but its just an example
He man! I was wondering, besides your great video, this new spec leaves me with some options. Now im wondering, is it worth it to drop 1/3 imp ms together with 1/2 imp WM (down from 2/2 when having enough expertise) to go for 2/5 unbridled wrath for overall damage. It seems to me like 3% damage and 0.3 sec reduced CD for a skill you hardly use is not really worth it? (basically asking how dogdoodoo or how not dogdoodoo UW is) Thanks so much for this great video!
UW is very bad, even as fury with 2 weapons proccing it, Booming Voice will net more rage and dmg from having to refresh shouts less. But really keeping Weapon Mastery and trading away expertise on gear for more crit + arp is best
Just started on Sindragosa and won't be getting DMC: Greatness but I just won a Fury of Five Flights - how does this weigh up with Naxx Trinkets? Would Grim Toll + FFF be 2nd BiS. Or does Mirror of Truth or any other Naxx trinket beat this? Loved the guide btw, nice to see someone making content for T7
Why do most bis lists have haste gear on them now that blizzard servers are live? From every priv I’ve played and everything I’ve read, haste is just trash
Important note on the Gnome Engineering trinket "Gnomish Battlechicken"
Using it will invalid your guild's logs on WCL for the upcoming "Wrath of the Lichking" expansion on Blizzard's official Classic servers
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Thank you very much to the author for the detailed guide, I’m from the CIS and I was looking everywhere for a normal guide to Arms Var but there was none, and miraculously I came across this video, THANK YOU!!!!!
7:50 the chicken is worth it people!
nah for real good guide man. It's nice to see you & your crew putting out this type of material for people before wrath classic. Cheers
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Don't make the chicken, it's banned now by WCL
I have been waiting for this guide for 10years, Thank you.
Man this was one of the best guide i ever seen :D gj
Damn, this guide is really well made and talks about important things, gj
can you give us your swing timer? the other ones reset when using slam instead of pausing.
Bump
following you for quite a while now and always hoped u would do a arms guide and you finally did it! awesome work my friend :)
amazing video. glad to see someone put a bit of effort into making it easier to digest for someone who has yet to absorb the new names and positions of each new as well as old talent.
Great work as per usual
Good work! Great to see more resources on Arms for people that want to play it. :)
amazing video! i would love to have a video like this for fury as well of course and maybe just a general overview of what each class has changed not really going in depth of the raid stuff maybe? but yea either way great video and ty for making it!
Great comprehensive guide covered all i needed and more 🎉
That's a banger of a video mr.F!
I keep hearing everywhere from content creators and raiders that BS is just objectively worse than engy. I'm trying to balance PvP w/ PvE though and I think the only benefit of engy in arena that you're allowed to use is the rocket punch. It makes sense to me that getting more STR or ARP from BS sockets when haste is such a bad stat for arms would be the way to go but I keep hearing otherwise that the haste glove ench. is best for coupling with CD windows (in raids).
Which addon/WA you use to track swing timer? i love the way it stop whenever you cast Slam, can't find any that works like your
Would love to hear your tips on the current phase 2 Arms DPS
Awesome video, this kind of content was necessary, thanks so much
THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO EVERRRR
Can you do a guide for phase 2,3 and 4 please...also when does warrior switch from arms to fury??
I think Arms warrior is way to go till ToC and all the arp stuff, rogues play assassination till then too and then swap combat and warriors go fury.
True for Warrior, but Combat and Assassination sim pretty close enough that you can play either all expansion, combat actually being better on trash and multi-target bosses or bosses with target swapping.
which swingtimer do you use? is it a weakaura? ive tried making one but, it resets on slam instead of pausing, and I have low knowledge of weakauras. if you could tell me which addon or weakaura you use it would be greatly appreciated
Same problem here..@DunderJ
Could u make a vid ab ur addons. Explain- 1by1 and why u use'em.
For example The (spore on me) add
Love the guide and very useful! :)
Share those weak auras and swing timer my man? Pretty please
I've never touched Wotlk before.. But arms is my baby. Does anyone know if it's like, so awful compared to Fury from t9 onward that I will legit just not be invited to stuff? I guess I can go fury if that's the case but the arms prio system looks super fun, would be a shame. Usually I would tough it out and just play what I like, but I know people like to gatekeep a little on Classic, when it comes to spec's / classes they bring to end-game stuff.
Regardless of that though, even if it's only for the first couple tiers, amazing video man. Thanks so much for the help.
Hopefully we get a guide from bass for mages
bas is working on it :)
Also you didnt add macros for Warriors!
any plans for fury guide soon?
what WA are u using? im especially interested in the one playing at 0:56
best guide, thanks for the video!
I see Foxy's gameplay on Frosthold and he was the rank 1 warrior.
I would like to ask him if he has ever played warrior on mop and I would like to ask him for some advice on this, thanks.
my question would be, if i can only use slam like 3 times in a row, should i wait for an auto to go off inbetween slams?
What is the intro song btw?
Also great video.
Do you ever use your Whirlwind ability?
I guess we don't since we are not really using the Berserker Stance...
Been leveling as Fury and feel like respeccing to Arms would be a better choice at the moment.
So why spec for stance dance if you're not gonna use it?
Isn't it better to get more stun resist (iron will) or even survival (by deflection)?
Also with start attack macro for Bladestorm it should pull ahead even on single target, since that enables autoattacks while spinning.
Unless that has changed.
Also if you're gonna be low on rage why spec for Heroic Strike at all? If you'll rarely use it what does 3 rage matter, when you can spec survivability that will always help.
then spec that way man. Nobody said you have to follow this guide exactly. Make informed decisions, monitor your performance, make adjustments
Nice guide, but what if we want play arms in t9+ how we should gem our character, into str or into arm pene for cap coz we have better trinket than Grim Toll and Mjolnir, we should go for more than 1400 arm pene or when we reach it we should go str, etc.
And you could add Opener, how we should start our rotation.
there’s no benefit in going above 1400 armor pen, you’ll want to gem str until you can reach roughly 700 arp passive
do you use slam regardless of rage, when nothing else is procced? and how often does that leave you with enough rage for HS then in t7? i would assume if you are rage starved and can't properly make use of incite because of that then the imp exec spec would be better no?
IK people hate on arms, but it is just so fun to play imo
Hey bro. First of all, great guide!! Big pogg...but I have couple of questions...I though that 4 parts of t7 were bad and instead of pants u would get razuvious pants for arp and instead of chest u would get leather chest from malygos25 for even more arp...is it also good or is 4 ti7 way better???
4set is still best singletarget t7, if you use malygos chest you will lose hit and dont stress about ArP in t7, crit is better
PogChamp
In your single target rotation for T7 (starting), it doesnt show mortal strike at all unless your moving and cant slam. Is this really correct? You queue up a heroic strike even before Mortal striking?
Great guide mate, considering to main warr come classic wrath.
I'm sure you've been asked a lot but pretty please share your weak auras mate
You have a bis list for arms in t8 / t9?
Great video sir! I just wanted to ask about Engineering and the Haste use on the gloves? Where should you try to mix that into an entire raid?
Just dont use it
Why dont you mention swapping to berserk stance and use recklessness? Also is it worth it to run out of melee range to charge for more rage. Maybe after swing timer goes off.
Hey man! whats up! What do you think about the dalaran rings? are they good for us?
Hi good Video! - what weak aura is showing you the timer on overpower? Thanks.
I still dont get the thing with slam? We need a weapon timer to make slam right after auto attack or how?
Hey great guide ! Is this applicable to the coming wow classic wotlk ?
Any plans to do a similar vid for Fury?
Are those still the bis prebis/bis weapons for human warrior?
Hey man thank you for your video.
Do you have any ressources showing that expertise gemming is not good? I thought it was the second priority to reach 26 expertise after hit cap for pre bis
No its not. If u get a dodge u can hit an overpower. You are never infront so there is no parry. All together a lack in Expertise isnt as bad as a lack in Hit for example
Nice vid! Btw, what font is that for your damage hits? I love it
yo does that weak aura come with that swedish voiceover lmao,great guide,thanks!
do you spam HS above 70 rage or use based off swing timer
do you have any bis lists for tier 8?
Hey bro, that's an amazing guide you made here ! Could you share your weakauras pls ?
Send us that playlist, please.
important note for every alliance that they should know since the game been made if you not play pvp, dwarf is the best race and still even in pvp dwarf still winning on every race as warrior. its basically almost same as orc just different is no axe racial passive that all. why i said dwarf? because stoneform which is remove poison, disease, bleed effect aswell increase 10% armor which is benefit by warrior talent it is very huge increase for dmg and also why i said pvp aswell because you can read stoneform description and 1more is frost resistance by 2%. and cooldown for stoneform is 2min every alliance should know those thing.
Will you make something similar for Fury in tier 9/10?
Would love to see the data on haste/deep wounds. I've always heard that haste is awful (and I believe that) but I've never really seen any data on it.
it is for arms , due to constant meele swing pausing of slam , for fury thats a different matter as it increases your heroic strike frequency.
how is improved overpower calculated? is 2/2 straight up 50% crit chance on that ability or your tooltipp crit chance increased by 50% for overpower?
+50% bonus in addition to your crit chance from base crit + crit rating. Meaning if you are 2/2 on the talent, the large majority of your OPs will crit.
about time
Hello i am new to the wow and i chose wotlk and what are those tier equipmennts/ what equipment should i use, currently have 2.5k gs
Can you queue heroic strike through a slam?
yoo man .
what macros do you use ? help me out :D
great video
What does your opener look like my man? For both ST and AoE?
The man said "controversial spec" kek love the guide tho!
Do you also have a guide like this for fury :D ?
I already level up my human warrior to 70, iam preparing my professions, my blacksmithing, mining. After that I will farm gold for the Lich King.
Iam so excited to make PVP with arms and Prot warrior. 👌😁
Good guide 💪
Good luck with that
what about black ice as a wpn?
Name of swingtimer. Please
Hi DunderJ! Amazing video you've made, thank you very much for making this. I've got two questions though, Firstly do you use rend on all targets during AoE or is it enough to use only on one target and then just continue with the AoE priority list? Secondly do you stream?
Since sweeping strikes doesn't spread rend I personally wouldn't manually maintain rend on multiple target.
what addon for cast slam?
Fury is parsing higher overall on warcraft logs. I thought arms was better?
Arms has more utility, esp from improved bleeds / parsing also doesn't always tell the whole story, I was parsing 90+ in my full blue BM Hunter today because it's so underplayed. does this make BM so much worse? it doesn't, it is just under represented by high end players, not saying this is the same case with arms and fury but its just an example
wowzzz very nice foxy!!!!!!!
Man, ur swingtimer.. I want it x) Can you link it?
What are those weak auras!? can i HAVE?!
Is there a way to pass the macro ?
Thoughts on doing appropriate zerker stance swaps to ww? I find it hits for solid 10k aoe. Just spend your rage prior.
can u share WA ?
Thank you for the guide, sucks to be warrior in wotlk :(
finally
He man! I was wondering, besides your great video, this new spec leaves me with some options.
Now im wondering, is it worth it to drop 1/3 imp ms together with 1/2 imp WM (down from 2/2 when having enough expertise) to go for 2/5 unbridled wrath for overall damage. It seems to me like 3% damage and 0.3 sec reduced CD for a skill you hardly use is not really worth it?
(basically asking how dogdoodoo or how not dogdoodoo UW is)
Thanks so much for this great video!
UW is very bad, even as fury with 2 weapons proccing it, Booming Voice will net more rage and dmg from having to refresh shouts less. But really keeping Weapon Mastery and trading away expertise on gear for more crit + arp is best
Why is haste so bad for arms in wotlk? not sure i get it
Scaling is ass, your white hits dont fuck all for your damage
warrior in lich king can use polearms?
arms yes, fury no
For aoe, shouldn't we also be using whirlwind when off cd? Not sure why it isn't in the ability prio list
It depends on how many targets. If 2-3 targets, Slam + Sweeping strikes is best. If 4+ targets, WW + Sweeping Strikes
Just started on Sindragosa and won't be getting DMC: Greatness but I just won a Fury of Five Flights - how does this weigh up with Naxx Trinkets? Would Grim Toll + FFF be 2nd BiS. Or does Mirror of Truth or any other Naxx trinket beat this?
Loved the guide btw, nice to see someone making content for T7
maybe just sim it with rawr :)
why is arpen not that good in t7?
because arp is bad unless you can stack it.
Rly good Video. Our Arms suckz, t7 content dont use any slam, instead using ms. So much dps loss
this is fkin epic!
But please make Shocko do ENHA/Spellhance shammy , cheers!! :)
BIS
Seems like arms is a bit overtuned there
Now make a vid for fury :)
Why do most bis lists have haste gear on them now that blizzard servers are live? From every priv I’ve played and everything I’ve read, haste is just trash
Because it’s Tier 7. Private server info isn’t relevant to fresh.
A lot of false info on the internet, before Zeph made a good demo guide I could not find a single one
You can swap Race in wotlk? Wtf Never heard of that
Let me just leave this here. Two axe better then one axe.
Thanks now I can stop using gnarly guides
the gnarly guides one really sucks. Doesn't even take improved slam.