The Origins of Islam - 6.4 Cascading Changes
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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Establishing Muhammad as the seal of the prophets required multiple changes to th Quran, each change necessitating further updates to the text. Here, we are looking at these changes.
#Quran #Islam #Origin #History #Education #Religion #Arabic #Christian #Trinity #Trinitarian #Arab #Sira #Sunna #Sunnah #Tafsir #Muhammad #Biography #Koran #Ishaq #Zayd #Zaynab #Seal
References for this episode:
Dequin, Raymond "Der frühe abbasidische Koran"'. In: Die Entstehung einer Weltreligion VI: Vom umayadischen Christentum zum abbasidischen Islam. Inârah Vol. 10. 2021,
pp. 146-233.
Ibn Ishaq. "The Life of Muhammad. Translated by A. Guillaume." (1955).
Powers, David S. Muhammad is not the Father of Any of Your Men. University of Pennsylvania Press, 2011.
Reynolds, Gabriel Said. The Emergence of Islam: Classical traditions in contemporary perspective. Fortress Press, 2012.
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The "Origin of Islam" series is intended to provide a big-picture look at how Islam started, where it came from, how it evolved and how we ended up with the religion we know of today. I'm introducing the historical critical method as it's applied to the Quran and paint a new narrative based on primary evidence and linguistic analysis.
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I’m so glad I found this channel. You’ve helped give me more evidence in the flaws of this man made belief system. BRAVO!! 😃
All belief systems are man made. Nothing is created out of thin air.
Well Done 👏 Thomas Alexandria another scholarly 🧐 and convincing video.. I’m impressed by your professionalism and accuracy here .. Finely the Quran begins to make sense.. 😃
Amazing workkk…this is clear proof of tampering being done by human hands to set a standard narrative….really this video needs to be seen by 1.2 billion people….always excited when your new video comes😋😋😋u deserve millions of subs…hey would u mind if I use your slides as screenshots and make a Hindi explanation/translation for Indian audience on UA-cam..
As long as you link to the original video, you can feel free to use my videos. Alternatively, if you create Hindi subtitles, I’d happily add them to my videos.
@@TAlexander ok 👌
Islam debunked without hate just reason and research what a great work
Brilliantly put together Thomas, very clear and concise, thank you for your hard work
The entire khatam-an-nabiyeen discussion is so important and crucial given that it is the cause of so much contraversy and debate throughout Islamic history, and has led to so many declarations of kufr over the centuries. We now know that the full intent of the concept was indeed to end any future prophethood for completely Abbasid political reasons, even though such a concept contradicted the previous belief (not contained in the Quran) held by the Anti-Trinitarian Christians (who later became Muslims) of Jesus' (a prophet) return and second coming (which was retained in the Islamic Hadith tradition). The very notion that 33:40 and "khatam an nabiyeen" is a later innovation and addition, written into the Sana'a manuscript with a different hand and trailing off into the margin, is so important, and renders the entire debate/contraversy and the blood spilled over it utterly inane and moot. As i've said before, thanks is not enough for your work and contributions.
Thank the Lord that you are bringing to light what is terrible and the lies - may the Lord richly bless you and yours.
Amazing research : needs translation into Arabic and Urdu
Could you translate into Arabic?
Again you are a treasure Thomas alexander !! Thanks you !
Helpful! Thank you.
In English, we don't throw a branch in the gears. We throw a spanner (Schraubenschlüssel) in the gears. Just a tip!
In American, we throw a wrench into the gears.
@@polemeros Different societies have different expressions that sound similar. I spent 5 years in Germany, and I was surprised at how many expressions in English were close to German expressions, or vice-versa. For example: To kill two birds with one stone. The Germans say: To kill two flies with one smack (Zwei Fliegen mit einer Klappe schlagen). Languages are endlessly interesting.
he said it correctly he said wrench
@@FRED-gx2qk He said 'branch'! But due to German pronunciation, it sounded like 'brench'! Germans say epple, not apple, for example. I lived in Germany for 5 years!
@@angusmcfarlane1225 listen again
There are Changes in the Holey qur'an? Say it isn't so! Great Work Brother!
How convenient for Mohammed that the Koranic text was changed since he had married his daughter-in-law. You would almost think that early Moslems made revelation up as they went along! 😅
God Bless you Thomas, this is excellent stuff!
Very well executed theory, which connects the holes of issslaaam... 👍
Looking forward to your next video. I just completed your series from the playlist. 6.3 and 6.4 are fantastic and I believe the case you have made is strongest here.
Nice work T.A... Loving your work.
Muslims often bring up the Birmingham Manuscript as undeniable proof the Quran hasnt changed... What is your opinion on the manuscript?
We will get to the issue of dating the manuscripts. I'm currently working on a short video on the science behind radio carbon dating. I have recently had to completely rethink my approach after having looked into dating methods. Turns out radio carbon dating may well be extremely unreliable when dealing with parchment. There is a high probability that parchment is "contaminated" with mineral carbon. Mineral carbon however does not contain any C14 as it is very old carbon. It only takes less than 2% of mineral carbon contamination to skew the dating of a manuscript 100 years into the past.
@mysotiras 011 fine. What's the evidence of the Syriac Alexander Romance being written around 630 AD then? There is no surviving manuscript unlike the Quran and there is definitely no carbon dating performed. Yet Thomas is confident that the Syriac literature was produced around 630 when many scholars and historians opine that it was produced much later in the 10th century.
Fantastic channel, sir. I’ve suggested it in a number of places.
What a sharp and wonderful salvo to the SIN Crapology. When is the funeral date?
Fun fact. The SIN has a simple answer to these imaginary theories of 'tampering'. Verses of the Quran were changed, and abrogated throughout Muhammad's lifetime without any problem. 😁
Hey Thomas, FYI Daivd Powers has a new (2022) talk about this subject and there he stresses the obvious fact (ignored by Muslim commentators) that the verb (مَا كَانَ) in the ayah مَا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِنْ رِجَالِكُمْ وَلَٰكِنْ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ ۗ is in the past tense! So it could have not been written when Muhammad was still alive. You can find his talk on youtube.
The corresponding word in Arabic for Hebrew Kallah is kannat
J. Conrad, “כַּלָּה,” Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament (Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, U.K.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1995) 165.
These are probably cognates and reflect what a teacher of mine called the rice-lice-nice syndrome in which when you go between Semitic languages you often get an exchange /r/ for /n/ for /l/. So, in this case the lamed /l/ in Hebrew and the other Semitic languages you cite became /n/ in Arabic, but they are originally (in Proto-Semitic) the same word.
This sounds very convincing to me. Well done
I think Quran has been edited ,
It doesn’t make sense , some words make no sense . additions to explain or modify verses,?????
Again incredible research! 👏
33:6 (deletion)
It's not deleted tho,
I can't understand this
Thomas,, Did you look into my tip to start uncovering the geographic issues of ALL the battles "according to the SIN" and the other historical ones ? I am willing to inform you in a private conversation of 3 keys for a "Roseta stone" that leads to a final answer for all of this. There is one more necessary key that i cannot reveal to you yet, even privately, but the first 3 will help you a lot i think. So let me know if this interests you and then send a private link to communicate. As a starter..Why is it that the famous city of Weh Antioch Kosrow ( that fits perfect as an alternative for Merv as you presented in a video a few weeks ago) was not located until now ?
why would you be unable to talk about such things in public?
@@lorefox201 i am sorry.Some things are too sensitive and too fundamental and need therefore to be scrutinised to the maximum by proper authorities and specialists which is what is taking place right now. I only reached out to Tomas personally to help him assess a few things.
@@miguelsureda9762 ...by UA-cam hints?
@@lorefox201 There are many ways to go to Rome. Hope to see you there one day.
@@miguelsureda9762 Would you then at least give an hint, so that people such as me might research that indipendently?
make sense... surah 33 feels different than the other surahs, in it Allah gave lots of privileges to Muhammad i.e. privilege on women 33:50-51, privilege not to be disturbed 33:53, as if Allah was his servant...
Does this also explain the Sunni-Shia schism?
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Your information is incorrect.
The earliest 7th century Quranic manuscripts all contain these verses. Your theory has no ground in manuscript evidence.
You also admitted that Mohamed is not Jesus in the Quran.
You admitted that Zayd is the son in law of Mohammed in what you claim to be the unedited Quran.
You are contradicting yourself.
Who put Zayd in the Quran? Is Zayd the son in law of Jesus?😁
Its very accurate and almost close to the truth.
This sounds like Islamic Shahada with out any evidence
@@alonzoharris6730 how about Islamic contradiction in (لا اله إلا الله ) and suddenly he is أكبر ?
Fun fact. This so-called 'tampering' is more easily explained by the standard Islamic narrative. It is clearly stated by the Quran itself/Muhammad himself that surahs and verses can be changed and abrogated at will, and he frequently did this. The so-called Satanic verses are a major case in point. Another example is about the zakat and what it could be used for. After the Conquest of Mecca and the Battle of Hunayn, when Muhammad wanted to bribe his former enemies into becoming warriors of Islam, he inserted the line that zakat could also be used 'to win over hearts'. He then gave 100 camels each to Meccan leaders like Abu Sufyan, a fortune in those days. As soon as Muhammad fell in lust with Zaynab d Jahsh, who he himself had married to his beloved adopted son Zayd, of course he simply abrogated the previous verses and inserted these new rules about adoption and marriage to justify his marrying her himself. Even Aisha commented on how convenient his revelations seemed at times. 😁
It also seems so to me. But how do muslims themselves see this freedom to abrogate? This makes Muhammad the Forger, the one that makes up verses when convenient.
@@meusisto Fun fact. Muslims themselves accept and endorse abrogation because the Quran, the actual word of Allah, gives itself permission to do so. 😁
@@davidzack8735 Mate, why do you start everything with fun fact?
@@meusisto Fun fact. To make clear I deal only in verifiable facts that cut through the stuff and nonsense. 😁
Fun fact: People who start out with the expression "fun fact" typically don't follow up with actual facts but with conjecture. In this case for example, abrogation cannot explain some of the evidence provided, e.g. the assertion that Muhammad married his daughter in law at the same time that he forbade it for others. If you work under the premise that the standard Islamic narrative is by and large trustworthy, then you have a contradiction here.
Similarly, the gaps in Ibn Ishaq are difficult to explain given that premise. Muhammad could hardly abrogate verses more than a century after his supposed death.