His mom was murdered by her boyfriend. The boyfriend put her body into a suitcase and left it on the side of a highway. The boyfriend then defended himself in court and Jordan had to be questiomed by him. If that doesn't change you, you are not human. Fucking heartbreaking. Society failed him.
@JediNiyte There you go. It only took 20 minutes from the time of your comment for a MAGA Great Replacement Voter to tell the whole world that a black man frightening a white man deserves to be killed by the white man.
@@bobbun4369 Ok then restrain the person, you don't need to choke someone out for several minutes to restrain them, especially when there are multiple other people holding him down aswell.
"He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!" "He did?" "No! But are just gonna wait around until he does?" Daniel Penny took that literally
MAGA clowns believe a white man is justified in killing a black man. "He was being scary". So what do you do when you are deathly afraid of all Black Americans?
By design. Our society being highly individualistic, fearful, and self interested benefits the oligarchs in power. A people divided are weak and easy to control, a people united have great strength. So the focus is always on how we are different, on race, on sexual preference, to get the middle class to hate the poor. When the reality is 99% of us are in the same boat and share most of the same interests. People need to start uniting with the understanding that most of us are working class people being shafted by a tiny minority of owners, who own everything, the corporations, the media, and our government.
@jaconator Congratulations! Your comment triggered the sh!t out of a MAGA Great Replacement Voter. The MAGA-GRV is so triggered, it was compelled to be the poster child example of an abject lack of ability to feel empathy for a black homeless man.
Not sure what Bible the Right reads , but I don't remember the Good Samaritan choking someone out ? I thought he healed , clothed , and fed the crime victim ? 😳🙏
@@ericw2229 Great point, it's almost as if the Good Samaritan has literally NOTHING to do with any of this, and shouldn't be brought up in this context by anyone who has read and understood the Bible (other than Satan, who of course would twist every verse he can in an attempt to mislead). . ...that was your point, right?
The problem isn’t that he restrained Jordan. The problem is that he maintained restraint in a way that went far above and beyond the necessity. Jordan stopped being a “threat” long before he died.
@@ericw2229 He had no right to take his life. Jordan hadn’t even harmed anyone, didn’t have a weapon, was no longer a threat if he ever was, which also hasn’t been proven or demonstrated as reports are conflicting. He could’ve held him down without choking the life from him. He’s trained to do that as a marine.
@Eric W you don't keep resisting for 15mins straight when you're cut off from oxygen. I think they need to release the full video because this 1min clip with no context is complete BS
The problem with "42 arrests" is that no one on that train knew him. It's literally post-rationalising the actions of people who didn't know the guy anything about the situation other than a guy was making people uncomfortable.
The majority of the arrests are for trespassing, fare evasion , vagrancy and other “charges” that homeless people face all the time. Not like he was a serial sex offender or violent criminal.
the worst part is that i feel like the people who spread that obviously don’t care that what they’re spreading is irrational and a breed of the whole “he was no angle” fallacy. But then people like these newsmax hosts except for this one guy seems to completely fall for it and don’t even question if it makes sense
Let’s just be glad Jordan Neely can no longer go around breaking the eye sockets of old ladies or pushing bystanders onto the paths of oncoming trains or trying to kidnap small children. Hip hip hooray!
The problem, Kyle, is that to be that "good" at messaging, you have to be completey devoid of all empathy and conscence, since you have to ramble on a serious of outright lies and slander without a twinge of guilt. Be glad you can't do it. It's just indirrect messaging that depends on emotional appeals to unreason.
The republicans and most of the democrat establishment certainly have histories you can correctly and without bad conscience label heinous as and label the people accordingly.
@@fabian4023 1. Homeless people need help with food housing...it must be done ..2..dont keep threating people and think that because of various reasons people will never hurt you..3. Untrained people assume.choking is less violent than punching or elbowing....its actually more dangerious when there is no ref to stop the fight
Do you have any facts to back this up. Don't think that's ever happened. But when left scum get rid of law enforcement, that becomes an option. I live in a red state and no treads down here or else you are dealt with swiftly. Peace through strength little buddy
Even if we take for granted that he threatened people, like the one NewsMax host said, it may be illegal but it's not a death sentence. Defenders will then say that we can't say Penny intended to kill Neely, but at some point intent doesn't matter. This isn't something that should be green lit
@@ericw2229 you do know you can get convicted of manslaughter for killing someone in a car accident right? It’s a manslaughter charge and he should face a court of law. You don’t even want him to do that.
@Eric W Which he didn't. There's literally no evidence of any sort of violence prior to the murder, not even by penny's own testimony. I hope the boots family gets what's coming to them.
“This is the end of the Good Samaritan “ umm correct me if I’m wrong but that story is about someone saving a dejected member of society from dying not choking someone to death?
Nah dude, you just haven't read the bible properly. There's a man dying at the side of the road, 2 people ignore him then the good Samaritan comes along and murders him for being a nuisance.
Thinking about the grandpa who attacked a cement truck with a hammer, and trudged through the cement as the workers watched. They’re saying they would accept that grandpa’s execution? I think not.
No surprise that Fox NEWS got the story of the good Samaritan wrong. An actual good Samaritan would have helped Jordan Neely by getting Daniel Penny to release that choke hold any way they could.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 Whatever it was killed him, but you think because it took longer than 3 minutes to kill him you think Penny was being too kind and Jordon was treated too gently. You keep saying it over and over again and you still don't understand why you're not changing anyone's mind, or not betting any likes for your comments. I don't know you at all but I can tell there's something wrong with you.
@@Paolo8772 Some people don't like learning new things. Like how this was clearly not a real choke, it was a head restraint so no one got a disease chewed into them while waiting for law enforcement.
@@ericw2229 and you have a history of pissing off the top of your roof onto passers-by but does that mean you've done it recently or does it make you deserve serious bodily harm?
@@bobbun4369 No, it doesn't, because there's a video record that supersedes any story. Either he was threatening people on the train at the time, or he was not, and his past has zero bearing on that. The reason people bring up Penny likely not knowing Neeley's past, is that it speaks to *Penny's* motivations. To explain with a slightly altered situation: If Penny had instead killed some other even worse guy, who had a warrant out for murdering a whole family, etc., but all that Penny knew in the moment was that the guy with the warrant had looked at him wrong, then Penny would simply be guilty of killing a guy for looking at him wrong. The key is that someone *without* all of that criminal past would *also* have been killed by Penny for looking at him wrong. It speaks to how much of a danger Penny is to society. Is this a guy who's prone to killing people? He isn't checking their criminal history before doing so, is he? So being innocent is no defense against Penny either. Neeley could have been totally innocent, and Penny would still have killed him. Will Penny's next target be innocent?
@@ericdugdale8585 Well said and precisely my point. Penny is now even more of a threat to others because of those who are lauding him as a hero (thank you Fox). If he is enjoying his hero status he may want to repeat. This is why bad behavior shouldn't be rewarded. Will Penny now become a co-host on Fox?
I think every time when we the left address the supreme court, we should use the phrase "The radical supreme court, filled by the extreme right-wing corporate backed Federalist society's judges, ..."
Rules of engagement clearly state they should have waited to stop him until after he tried to snatch up another baby, or smash the cranium of another old lady.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 I mean it works for school shootings. Just wait until the next one only to ignore that one too. Imagine if every drunk in a bar that threatened someone just got choked to death for 14 minutes. An a-hole acting tough, shouting and screaming doesn’t equate to a death penalty. Well, unless you are loud, of color, homeless and in the presence of some scared white folks.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 ahhhh yes. Penny was aware of all of that information while he strangled him to death. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
@@lukebickerstaff7383 You think it would take a trained marine more than thirty seconds to put a crack aficionados lights out with a choke, do you know how stupid that sounds.
the problem is it was 3 against 1 and the person choked out had no weapon..screaming threats is illegal but nobody was assaulted..that boy might be in trouble
I’ve encountered this situation allot. When people are homeless you have some kind of empathy. That guy was trained to have no damn feelings and it shows. I’ve been in a situation at night with a mask person and I’ve literally talked thru. Told them we’re the same, I’m out here trying to live just like you. We walked and talked and found out allot of the person. Point is, we need to do better in this world. There is more resources than we need especially in America.
@@ericw2229 No you're right. If someone has committed assault at some point that means it's fully justified for anyone to murder them if they're making people uncomfortable. Great point
We've heard what the RIGHT has to say; we've heard what BLACK people have to say. So let's hear what the witnesses of this man's death will say in the trial.
Watching this segment made me absolutely sick. This almost makes Fox News look sane with just how revolting the coverage is. And we shouldn't be envious of the way these bloodless sociopaths use language. This is ugly programming here.
Idk man the guy tried to kidnap a child and nearly killed a elderly women’s and NY let him on the streets. None of us would ev talking about Jordan if he killed someone or kidnapped that girl, shit like this is happening on the subway all the time and none of the leftist are talking abo it throwing the criminals in jail! There is a balance. Jordan deserved to live, but should not be on the streets
I don't know it feels like a lot of people who have never been on a train with a crazy person are trying to morph this into something else. Penny is only 24 and an ex marine, how recently did he get out? Has he had time to transition to civilian life or is he still stuck in a state of hyper vigilance? And Neely was deeply troubled but was he threatening people or was he on the verge of an episode because despite what Nichols said you can tell when someone is amping up to violence. The whole thing is tragic but specific and independent of all the Monday morning opinions. I can't in good conscience say what is just with the facts I've heard.
Im looking for the full video of the incident. One thing is for sure: A lot of media outlets are trying to paint this guy as some sort of saint, but he was a menace
The fact that Neely had a long criminal record and some of it violent is 100% irrelevant. His murderer did NOT know about his past. Such a bizarre delusional take from people using that. And gotta love how she says "harassment" as if it is ok to kill someone that harassed you, especially considering harassment is typically subjective."He looked at my girlfriend, so I killed him, he stepped on my toe by accident on the train, so i killed him".Get bent with this lust for murder guised as a fucking good samaritan. With that line of thinking, women seeking abortion but prohibited by nutbag repubs should be able to eliminate anti choice wankers as they are a threat to women. Self defense bro.
As someone who works with the homeless and folks who are experiencing mental health issues, they make threats many times because they’re seeing or hearing things that are scaring them. They’re desperate to look out for themselves. De-escalation is a rare skill that can change how interactions go. Medical treatment is so difficult to get for mental health. If this guy was experiencing hallucinations, he would be plagued 24/7. Making threats doesn’t mean carrying out threats, and therefore violent force is not warranted.
I was a social worker ad well and volunteer with the homeless too. What you said is spot on. Every sane person becomes rattled when a crazy person is threatening them, but that doesn't mean to become insane yourself! Keep cool, sympathize with what you can, and if it's too much for you then remove yourself from the situation. Don't be some kind of twisted "hero" through violence!
@@ericw2229 you do understand that many times they can’t choose things for themselves due to disabilities right? You understand that taking their right to choose is also a lengthy and hesitated upon process too, I hope? Also refusing treatment doesn’t warrant being choked to death.
This is a serious mental health on both sides. People only speak of Neely's mental health issues. Penny is a trained killer that has been put into society. He literally got triggered without being attacked and killed someone. It takes 10 seconds to put someone out with a rear naked choke. 2 minutes in that choke could be fatal. 15 minutes is murder. The other 2 need to be found and charged as accessories to manslaughter. All they had to do was hold him down and call 911. Not kill him. Just like that security guard that shot an unarmed shoplifter. It's illegal to kill someone like that.
I'm going to assume that it like Fox are considered "entertainment" because they don't want to get in trouble for propagating lies proclaimed as truth... but for any place to consider right wing outlets to be legitimately considered "news" is astonishing.
Absolutely. We should ignore the asses that want to pretend like that's not what is happening when we can all see and hear just fine what's being said. They like the pain and the death, as fascists always do.
The second he pulled that move he knew he was going to kill him. Both of these people should never have been on that train. What kind of society produces citizens like this? A sick one does.
one of those people served his country honorably while the other beat up elderly women and kidnapped children. i know which one i'd rather have inside that train.
@@ericw2229 penny was discharged. He has issues and is a cold blooded murderer who killed a fellow citizen. It wasnt self defense. He is a trained killer and used his training to kill his fellow citizen. last time i checked 3 on 1 is thuggish behavior. Nobody has the right to be judge , jury and executioner. There is no honor in that. Our society has been systematically broken and plundered to the point where barbarians are looked at as heroes. Sickening.
@@ericw2229 so he went from killing people over seas to back at home .Neely already paid his debt to society for past crimes . We can’t keep holding peoples past against them
ugh I see a 1999 justin timberlake ... its the least important criticism i have of him but it makes me take him even less sseriously on average. This is one of his better takes at least
It's not even about the circumstances any longer. They see a poor/homeless/POC dead at the hands of a white dude and they immediately start donating to the GoFundMe. They just like that he is dead, they don't care about the legitimacy of any claims, they just see it as a win.
So we are to live in a world where the mentally unstable, deranged criminals can do whatever they want and you as a person who follows laws, goes to a job, and do your best to live the best life possible, your protection/life is less important. This is literally insane to me. Perhaps 15 minutes of a chokehold is too long, but anyone whose dealt with drug addicts or unstable people, they have extraordinary strength and stamina and occasionally not even tasers work to stop them. But then again the marine and Neely should have never been in this situation, because Neely should have been off the streets and in a prison or mental hospital 39 arrests ago
That's the thing people who brake the law can do whatever and face the risks. That the world we live in every day. I don't think that give anyone the right to kill someone unless it's a life or death thing. There were three people there that could have kept him at bay. We've seen more hostile people at Wal-Mart if we are being real. Does that mean someone can rush in and choke these unrulely people to death?
I'm also rather curious to know how people's opinions would change if only one specific part of the story where different: instead of it being a black man, it were a white veteran; still acting the same way, still having the same mental issues, still having the same criminal history; would people view the story any differently? I think many would, and if you think any differently, I think you're pretty naive.
I had never heard of Newsmax before, so when the host said, "Most of the people on the panel have the opinion that you would think a Newsmax person would have," I had no idea what he was talking about.
Do you really guys think if her relative or friend got murdered on the subway in the same situation, would she repeat the same sentences? I don't think so.
Well sure, but that's the thing. She doesn't have homeless family member or homeless friends. She doesn't consider Neely or anyone in his situation to even be fully human, so that possibility doesn't exist for her.
To MAGA clowns it is "reasonable" to claim a black man deserves to be killed by strangulation. "He was being scary" is all they need to know. The same MAGA clowns who told us a black child "deserved what he got" because he was outside after nightfall, with skittles and iced tea. Oh yeah .... and wearing a hoodie.
How was a mentally disturbed man with 44 arrests and multiple assaults charges allowed on the subway terrorizing riders? How do you put someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes and he's still breathing when you let him go? Neely was still breathing. A rear naked chokehold only takes 10 seconds to cause someone to blackout. Where's the toxicology report?
This is why we MUST have universal basic income. It can't stop there. Even with universal basic income, rich people will figure out a way to confiscate money from the poor and working class, in the form of higher rent, higher taxes, and higher prices payed for goods and services. For starters, along with universal basic income we must have single payer healthcare and strict rent controls across the board.
I agree 💯 it worked great for Brazil, but, Republicans went ape shit when the govt gave out stimulus checks during a worldwide Pandemic, Corporations created an artificial inflation, Right Wing media screamed bloody murder Socialism! Socialism! I hate to tell y'all but the powers that be would never allow UBI
@Donag UBI is good. But if a person gets $2K a month in UBI, what prevents landlords from raising rent by $2K? I've seen this time and time again. Governments love lobbyists and the landlords will bribe representatives to steal your UBI check. For context, in NYC, yellow cabs raised their rates every couple of years, under the guise that their drivers are struggling and the rate increases would go directly into driver's pockets. For a couple of weeks the drivers did get more money but then, afterwards, the owners started charging the drivers the full rate increase, leaving drivers with the same amount of money as before. The only people who got rich were the taxi owners. Uber started off this way too. The percentage of money drivers kept was high and now they barely make enough to pay their bills, though it's their cars, their gas, their insurance, and their labor. It's insane. No one can pay the damn rent. There must be legislation.
@@felipecortez1042 Because of this nonchalant attitude, the gap between rich and poor will continue to grow. The middle class turns a blind eye away from being robbed. The tension will break. There will be civil war.
Kyle- you’re absolutely correct. The right is the best at coming up with phrases. Remember the Georgia election: “Radical Raphael Warnock.” She was close to beating Reverend Warnock. It’s amazing.
Well, I would modify Kyle's point to say this : The former "republican party" is very adept at coming up with bullsh!t bumper sticker slogans that poorly educated rubes love to hear.
There's nothing genius about what the right does with labeling. They just have a childlike mindset when it comes insulting people and repeat it, whereas, the left and center try too hard to come off as the civil ones.
Jason did a good job of representing our side, but it's going to be REALLY hard for folks on the left to claim that ordinary speech or jokes can be labelled as hate and/or violence... and then do the verbal gymnastics to characterize somebody physically threatening people IRL as not a "violent crime". We've allowed our side to label most anything that makes them uncomfortable as "violence" or "hate" and basically be okay with it. Does this justify what Penny did? No. But what happened in that subway car is an extension of that reality of us accepting a continued assault on what is and isn't violent behavior towards each other.
He accidently killed someone with a chokehold. That only happens if 1. you're trying to kill that person or 2. you suck at chokeholds. Ask any judoka. Ask anyone who does BJJ. Ask any wrestler.
You're r3t4rded. A homeless man losing it on a train isn't even anywhere near comparable to, say, a syndicated internet start calling for the mass extermination of trans people.
This is what happens when you continuosly lower the bar of what's considered violent, the left is spending a lot of time framing verbal violence as violent crimes, this is the consequences of this. Do I agree with this? Not in hell, that vet need to be prosecuted by this and condemned. This is the last of this? Sadly no.
I don't know specifically who I have allowed to physically anybody who makes I don't like nor do I recall Kyle doing that. I know some nuts were talking about punching Nazis many years ago, but I didn't know any of them personally which made it hard for me to "allow" them or not. This is kind of amazing. We have a situation here where we don't know what was going on in the heads of those involved and it is apparently all of our fault for allowing bad opinions by people we don't even know to exist. Evil speech is not equivalent to violence. Nobody should be physically attacked for saying something, and in fact that is already illegal. I don't know, looks like you are reaching to find a way to feel guilt over this situation.
My mother to this DAY, who is not political at all, will still remember above all else how Trump owned Marco Rubio by calling him "little Marco" Certain nicknames and memes like that stick with people over time.
It's even easier: A good samaritan doesn't carry out the death penalty. The good samaritan story is about a man who was beaten within an inch of his life and mugged. While the man layed, two other men walked by, ignoring the man's plees, but a samaritan helped the man and tended his wounds, and even paid for a roof over the victim's head. Now I am trying to find out where that story comes into play for Republicans. Who is the victim of a mugging? When did Daniel Penny tend the wounds of this victim? Literally makes not F'ing sense!!!
My question is, how many subway stops did they pass? Where they could have taken the guy off the train and held him until police arrived? Are there subway stations in NYC that are 15 minutes apart? Was there a 15 minute delay and the train was stopped?
If Richard Ramirez were still around and said he liked Trump I'm convinced the NewsMax and OAN people would find some way to defend him. Like even if this guy had to be subdued fine, but 15 minutes after a while it went from justifiable force to intent.
About 13 years ago I had a roommate who was a trained MMA fighter (for hobby, not for sport or competition), and one time I was joking around said “can you REALLY effectively knock someone out by putting them in a chokehold?” And he was like “let me put you in one and I’ll show you.” And I trusted this dude enough to know he wouldn’t deliberately hurt me, so he puts me in a chokehold and I’m not kidding, on top of not being able to breathe, I could feel the oxygen leaving my brain. My vision started blurring and I started getting weak in the knees all within 7-8 seconds. I was in this hold for 10-15 seconds tops before he let me go. To put someone in a hold like that for 15 minutes is insane.
Exactly. I'm a black belt in Brazilian JiuJItsu and the idea of holding a choke on someone for even a full minute is absolutely insane. After a few seconds to put someone out you gotta release it. I don't even understand how you can squeeze a neck that long without wanting to kill someone or at least not caring if they die
Takes about 10-30s to lose consciousness and if held 30-45s after you go out, you won’t be waking up. People who don’t know the affects and at what point the affects happen should not be applying chokes.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 I’m telling you, as a person who is not a trained fighter, that I vividly recall what I felt when my roommate put me in a hold. Whether it was a rear-naked choke, gentle head control, sleeper hold, etc., I don’t know, I’m not well-versed in that.
@@robjgolde3221 Right, so you realize you would have been out cold in under a minute. Hence, this was a case of trying to gain control over someone who may bite you, not a choke.
If you ride the NYC subway you’re gonna encounter unstable people. And 99% of us just move or look the other way when it happens. You don’t have to take a life.
13:21 Even if it is individual moral failings should we be okay with such a barbaric system? Such an unforgiving system that if you make one mistake, suffer from depression, fall ill, fall on hard times you’re then destitute and homeless and should’ve got over it after your mother was murdered and put in a suitcase and just pressed on?
Why are you defending a man that beat grannies and tried to kidnap a 7 year old??? And you just thonk this dude was minding hos business on the subway????
rogan is gonna have a very based take on this with his experience, pretty certain he'll have basically the same take where he highlights just how excessive 15mins of that choke is. excited to hear his take
If you believe you or someone else is believed to be hurt or killed self defense is warranted. Maybe some of you will find yourself in that position……maybe you’d change your mind. Good job Marine.
I was in NYC (Bronx and Manhattan) last week and I saw a few people acting a bit crazy. One guy was yelling about being out of jail and needed help. He walked right by us and even paused for a moment. The train was pretty full and we just ignored him and didn't make eye contact. He just walked away and went to the next train.
I have never been to NYC, but I have been to New Orleans Bourbon Street and Memphis Beale Street. There are aggressive vagrants in those two locations. I have had vagrants act aggressive towards me. The main reason being the vagrants have learned, by the numbers, that some people will give them money to go away peacefully. It has never occurred to me to put someone in a choke hold, simply because they are shouting about being hungry and thirsty. Just the opposite, really. My first thought would be let me buy you some food an water. There is something very disturbing about the mentality of those who are claiming Mr. Neely deserved to be choked to death. That is some next level Sadism.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294it's the same the difference is there wasn't a PTSD marine there who acted out on his fear of a black man also having mental health episode. So while the marine might have felt threatened the force he used was unencessary and if you disagree then you believe in extrajudicially killing someone also known as lynching we used to do it to black people using similar justifications to yours.
@@darthbrandon2149 correction, he was shouting he would hurt everyone there and wasn't afraid to go back to prison. Where he was for hurting the last innocent victim.
CHOKING ≠ RESTRAINT People to stop equating these two things. Choking someone is an act of violence. It doesn't secure the victims arms or legs. Its not a restraint. You choke someone to harm them. An actual restraint, like hooking Jordan's arms behind his back, would have safely restricted his movement without any harm being done. I've done it countless times to patients in the hospitals I've worked in. No one ever died or got hurt. The intent of a restraint is not to cause harm
Was in NYC once and saw a crazy lady on the subway threatening to beat someone up because they stepped on her already dirty and fucked up shoes. Everyone ignored her and kept it moving. Had she got physical then I would’ve choked her myself. People yell on subways all the time. Makes me wonder if the marine guy lives there or not
Was that on a southbound A train Tuesday morning? We may have seen the same crazy lady, except in my case she got into a shouting match with another vagrant.
Just cuz her shoes are dirty doesn’t mean anyone has the right to step on it . I’d yell to if someone stepped on my shoes. One day you might be homeless , would u let people step on ur dirty face
You are a walking example of what I was just having a conversation with a buddy about. Some of the most beautiful people on earth are the absolute most disgusting and ugly human beings on earth.
I am with the marine on this- the homeless guy had over 40 arrests and assault before. And no we don’t need for the homeless guy to do a violent crime AGAIN to then do self defense? And why is it that now suddenly the family cares but they don’t care to help him before? Or who are we kidding this guy would have never gotten better- he is in a better place now! Now I am sure the live are gonna come after me- go ahead!
When someone is die or is killed a lot of people in the family will start caring. Also if know anything about when deadly force or even force should be used than you know he couldn't put him in a chokehold
@@Nolangames-ep8up it is surprising that the was left to fend for himself for years and was starving and hungry and his family was nowhere to be found, but now that we have this situation they were approached by the most notorious human rights attorney (pro bono probably) will most probably will make them very rich! I wonder how does that work- we only know you when we can exploit the situation, not when we can house you, or feed you, or help you with services. I live in NYC, I was part of the homeless community at one point, and though everyone circumstances are very different, and the defense here is that he didn’t attack anyone- we didn’t have to wait for him to ATTACK again… and for the record I have seen this poor soul on the subway and his behavior- and it terrifying!
The left has established that words are VIOLENCE. So those are the rules we play by. This dude committed violence against the other passengers. You all made this bed, sleep in it
Threatening violence against people is violence… shouldn’t have been murdered though. And that guy who murdered the young man should pay for their violent crime…
Imagine me being a black man and a Karen's was yellin at some black teen and i said noting came up behind her and choked her out. I would've been put under the jail smfh.
You are aware Neely said "he was willing to die" and threatening people. If a Karen is saying don't ride your bike or cook a BBQ in the park it's not the same. Big L
Why the flying fuck is Kyle and so many other people on the left talking about how Neely had such a bad life and had mental health problems, as if that is the main thing in dispute?! The fact that he had mental health problems does not help your case that he should not have been restrained or choked. The main issue in dispute is when is it acceptible to use force against another person and what type of force should be used. So far its unclear to me what Neely actually said and in what tone before he was choked. If it came out that he was indeed threatening to hurt people on the subway, I would consider the following actions self-defence (obvisously a judge/jury might disagree). I wonder what people who are basically calling this murder without the full context would say to that scenario. Alternatively, if Neely did not threaten people directly or make them fear for their safety, I would consider the marine guillty of involentary mansalughter. So long as he didn't mean to kill Neely, which seems like an unlikely scenario and even harder to prove. Obviously the complete exoneration of Daniel Penny from the right is equally moronic as the total condemnation.
Head control is critical when trying to not get hepatitaids chewed into you or a friend while dealing with an animal. BBC reported he was immediately put into a recovery position after going limp. Kyle you didn't miss that, you are choosing to not report it. No better than a Tim Pool at this point. Very disappointed.
My guess is that he didn’t legitimately threaten anyone. People may have FELT threatened by him since he was babbling and being weird. Either way he didn’t deserve to be executed and the dude should be charged with some kind of manslaughter at the very least.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294and you act once he does it or else we kill people for thinking about hurting others? I guess the point is people were threatened by his mental instability happening in real time.
@@monsterhunter445 he would have been out in three minutes or less with a REAL choke hold. That was head control of a crazy to avoid anyone getting bit.
The whole system is a sham and failed both people in this situation and really, everyone at large.There shouldn’t be this many mentally unstable people wandering around the city terrorizing people, that’s a failure of healthcare, social services, ect. There shouldn’t be people that can’t even ride public transportation without this kind of terror, that’s a failure of police, transit authority and politicians, and there shouldn’t be people that feel the need to defend themselves from perceived threats, failure of police, and the media. Even the marine, failure of the VA,the armed services, ect. they train him to “be a hero” then give him ptsd and put him on the streets. Worst part is the constant droning of media, see something, say something! The people on the plane in Pennsylvania were hero’s because they stopped the bad guys, it’s an awful situation but when you mix people that have a very loose grasp on reality and a penchant for violence into a culture of wannabe hero’s and everyone has easy access to guns of course responses are excessive.
OMFG I take the bloody Subway what Neely did does not deserve the Death Sentence! what this POS did to Neely is BS! the Right will back this POS up and say he was standing up for people he was not.
I work at a grocery store where we have homeless people come in and try to steal from us multiple times a day, and they usually threaten me with violence. Am I allowed to then choke them out? No, in fact, I'm not allowed to put my hands on them at all. If they threaten me, I can only tell them to leave the store.
If you really have to blame anyone besides Neely for his reckless actions, blame the corrupt democrat leadership that let him walk free after over 40 arrests. The good samaritan who protected innocent people from a violent psychopath did nothing wrong.
Sort of agree with Kyle. The guy was a menace to society that attacks old ladies, but as a bystander you don’t really get to be the judge/jury/executioner unless he is an imminent threat. It’s crazy though that Neely’s family is coming out of the woodwork now. Where were you when he was homeless and assaulting people? His family really abandoned him and now they just want someone to cut them a check.
How do you know what his family was up to, I'm going to assume (like you),his family tried hard to get him off the street and into a facility that could help him, I'm going to assume they walked the streets night and day trying to find him to make sure he was getting what he needed to survive because sometimes when you are in the midst of severe mental disorders you eventually wind up right back on the street or bouncing from one shelter to another,we don't know how much interaction he had with his family,and I'm sure whatever they receive in compensation won't make up for the fact that video of him being murdered will always be available for entertainment purposes.
Neely’s death was unfortunate, but I don’t think the marine had premeditated motives. It’s up to a jury at this point. I think the outcome will be made a lot more clear with hard evidence, instead of sensationalist news headlines.
A simple full nelson would have been sufficient if any force was needed at all(which it wasn't).. The chokehold was completely unnecessary. If Penny was such a great soldier then he should have realized this.
holding a rear naked choke for more than one minute is intent to kill. it cuts off blood flow to the brain. people pass out from the choke in a just few seconds.
@Matthew Mebert honestly it should be a second degree murder charge. One of the definitions in New York law is "Recklessly caused the death of another person under the conditions that showed that you had a depraved indifference for human life." Which a 15 minute chokehold would easily qualify
I feel sorry for both of them. And their families. Neely didnt deserve to die for being mentally ill. Im sure his family wishes they would have gotten him some help or something. The marine im sure feels terrible. I doubt he went on the train that day hoping to kill a man. Now hes in jail for doing what marines do. Try and protect people. The whole thing is unfortunate. I think the city is at fault. If this man was that violent he shouldnt have been on the streets. His record is littered with assaults. He was on a list for the top 50 mentally ill people in new york. What are people supposed to do if the city refuses to protect its citizens?
I understand the uneasy feeling of this guy dying by the hands of this Marine. I truly do. But to charge him with manslaughter for trying to subdue a man with aggression with civilians trapped in a moving train. If you can’t prove he meant to hurt this man, which he clearly did not want to kill the guy, he can’t be charged for something like this. He tried to help in a really bad situation. You can’t punish someone that was put in a really bad situation and tried to help when there was no one there to do so.
The guy definitely could’ve loosened up that choke hold. But he is in a fight or flight moment. I don’t think anyone can understand that unless you’ve been there. He is not a cop. He is a civilian.
@@Poise716 It was really loose though based on the fact the whole thing lasted more than a few minutes. Plus they put him in recovery position as soon as he went limp. The guy really tried his best to just maintain head control.
Manslaughter means you took actions that resulted in somebody's death but didn't mean to kill them. If he had the intent to kill the charge would have been murder.
Do you understand what manslaughter is? Penny, like the others on the train, had the choice to wait until the next train stop and exit. Like you said the train was moving. And unlike the other passengers Penny put himself in a bad situation starting with sneaking up from Neely and choking him. Those were all choices. Neely did not choose to be mentally, but Penny by his own admission chose to act.
@@Poise716 Then he should have chosen to flight. The fight defense went off the table when Penny decided to sneak up from behind and attack Neely. You fight when you're cornered and can't flight. Penny should have remembered that he was a civilian when he got involved.
We don't make excuses for criminals, we just recognize that we collectively have more control over institutional and systemic pressures than we do over individual behavior. If people are committing crimes because they are financially desperate, we have more control over the systems that make people desperate than we do over their individual moral compass. But if someone is convicted of a crime the next is creating systems that prioritizes public safety, not revenge. If there are policies that reduce recidivism and prevent the worsening of the predictable outcomes of individual convicts then those policies should be pursued, because those are the policies that most effectively promote public safety. Thisis why protections against cruel and unusually punishments were part of our bill of rights; egregious and unnecessary punishment works to undermine and delegitimize the validity of the state, showing it irresponsible with its monopoly over violence. And if you want a state you want something that is responsible with such great a charge.
@@jacksonboyd8630 You seem eager to justify murder which concerns me greatly. Given your words and how threatening I find them, how should I react if I see you out and about? Should I just wait until you start attacking people?
This is why I love pepper spray. If someone gets in your face and threatens you, spray them with a little hot sauce and it changes their mood instantly. One minute they're a tough guy, the next minute they're weeping and begging for some water to splash in their face.
How about this you can keep your guns and you can keep your “good Samaritans”, if we can all just focus on mental health issues in this country that are the main source of so many divisive issues. The funniest part is the party that revolves most of its policies and ideologies around religion especially one that teaches empathy is the very last group of people that ever wanna show empathy towards other Americans ✌️🇺🇸
Neely was given mental healthcare and he refused it. This is actually a case of a violent person with active warrants who should've been arrested and not allowed to roam the subways threatening passengers.
@@ericw2229 Yet how many times was he refused care? You don’t know cause you’re in a right wing echo chamber brother. You’re caught up by your favorite part, is political narrative. You’re no different than the person you hate watching CNN. ✌️
Citizens have a right to protect themselves and others if threatened. You do not have to wait for someone to attempt to harm you. Intent is obvious. With that said, and with basic high school wrestling and training with Military Police, it is obvious the difference in detaining and neutralizing and killing. We were taught in wresting that you cannot put your hands/arms around the neck without their arm in. In the military you are taught to decide quickly detain or cripple/kill. That marine would have had similar training. Not acceptable to lock that in that long. Once he was detained and no longer a threat, his training would have been to roll him over and lock up the arms/wrists and have others around guard his limbs to assist and avoid surprises. That marines record needs to be pulled and looked at in depth to understand intent.
I agree with you, but, intent is NOT usually obvious. I can’t speak for everyone, but I’m personally not a mind reader. Different people will arbitrarily determine what is a “threat” and what is not a “threat” which suggest that intent is not obvious.
thank you for that amaing insight. puts the whole thing in a very clear perspective. this needs to be said at every interview about it. i hope the family lawyer has that information! .........(and TYFYS)
Well I had to kill him officer, he MIGHT’VE killed me with a pack of Skittles or something!!” Guess you also claim that George Zimmerman murdering Trayvon Martin was completely justified because a 14-year old is VERY scary…..
@@jaycorbin Exactly. If someone perceives EVERYTHING as a threat then one can conceivably justify killing anyone over anything. Someone could walk by and I could say “he looked at me weird! I had to shoot! I felt threatened!” 🥴
His mom was murdered by her boyfriend. The boyfriend put her body into a suitcase and left it on the side of a highway. The boyfriend then defended himself in court and Jordan had to be questiomed by him. If that doesn't change you, you are not human.
Fucking heartbreaking. Society failed him.
Millions of stories like that. Health Care for all would go a long way towards making things better for those who suffer.
Society is sick to the core , no way to redeem it
so we let him kidnap as many 7 yo kids as he wants? Free to crack as many senior skulls as they please?
@@darthbrandon2149 amen to that. Now train riders are supposed to be mental health care muscle?
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 I know right. Although death by strangulation is a mighty weird form of health care.
I like how Jordan Neely doesn't get the benefit of the "mental health crisis" but every school shooter in the world can.
Did Mr. Neely even receive thoughts and prayers from the MAGA cult?
What the piss does that even mean???I dont care how mentally stable you are.. If you are a threat you will be treated like a threat
@@bobbun4369Keep that in mind if 3 people help you get choked out for 15 minutes.
@JediNiyte There you go. It only took 20 minutes from the time of your comment for a MAGA Great Replacement Voter to tell the whole world that a black man frightening a white man deserves to be killed by the white man.
@@bobbun4369 Ok then restrain the person, you don't need to choke someone out for several minutes to restrain them, especially when there are multiple other people holding him down aswell.
"He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!"
"He did?"
"No! But are just gonna wait around until he does?"
Daniel Penny took that literally
And Newsmax homeboy felt totally comfortable saying murder is legit ok 🙄
I’m always down for spongebob references
"He flossed in bed, he snored like a wildebeest, he freed Willie Horton, he nailed Donna Rice, and he ate babies!"
MAGA clowns believe a white man is justified in killing a black man.
"He was being scary".
So what do you do when you are deathly afraid of all Black Americans?
Spongebob!
Terrifying that we live in a nation where this is just kind of normal. Empathy is in short supply and it’s absolutely draining.
By design. Our society being highly individualistic, fearful, and self interested benefits the oligarchs in power. A people divided are weak and easy to control, a people united have great strength. So the focus is always on how we are different, on race, on sexual preference, to get the middle class to hate the poor. When the reality is 99% of us are in the same boat and share most of the same interests. People need to start uniting with the understanding that most of us are working class people being shafted by a tiny minority of owners, who own everything, the corporations, the media, and our government.
Americans are just evil
Man was a menace who messed around and found out
@@ELTEAESS And you were all edge with no point.
@jaconator Congratulations! Your comment triggered the sh!t out of a MAGA Great Replacement Voter.
The MAGA-GRV is so triggered, it was compelled to be the poster child example of an abject lack of ability to feel empathy for a black homeless man.
NewsMax would find a defense for Jeffrey Dahmer if it was politically convenient
Given most of his victims were black and Asian plus gay, they would.
@@blucu001 if they were around then, they would but they would probably just blame liberals somehow
Guessing you haven't managed to breed one of the dead guys potential child kidnapping victims.
Not sure what Bible the Right reads , but I don't remember the Good Samaritan choking someone out ? I thought he healed , clothed , and fed the crime victim ? 😳🙏
What you don't remember the time Jesus saw a man possessed by demons and snapped his neck? No? Maybe it's only my copy of the Right Wing Testament...
You're talking about the Bible. A huge number of right wingers have never actually touched one. And they have no clue how obvious it is.
was the Good Samaritan threatened with imminent physical harm? I don't remember that part of the story.
@@ericw2229 Great point, it's almost as if the Good Samaritan has literally NOTHING to do with any of this, and shouldn't be brought up in this context by anyone who has read and understood the Bible (other than Satan, who of course would twist every verse he can in an attempt to mislead).
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...that was your point, right?
@@ericw2229 LOL yes he was, everyone on the train he threatened to hurt. Try a better source.
The problem isn’t that he restrained Jordan. The problem is that he maintained restraint in a way that went far above and beyond the necessity. Jordan stopped being a “threat” long before he died.
That's a case for the prosecution to make, he was continuing to resist while restrained.
@@ericw2229 he was choking to death. Surrounded by 3 men larger than him. Unarmed.
@@ericw2229 He had no right to take his life. Jordan hadn’t even harmed anyone, didn’t have a weapon, was no longer a threat if he ever was, which also hasn’t been proven or demonstrated as reports are conflicting.
He could’ve held him down without choking the life from him. He’s trained to do that as a marine.
@Eric W you don't keep resisting for 15mins straight when you're cut off from oxygen. I think they need to release the full video because this 1min clip with no context is complete BS
Wow! Imagine that! Someone is resisting someone restraining and choking them out. Shocker! You’re a sociopath.
The problem with "42 arrests" is that no one on that train knew him. It's literally post-rationalising the actions of people who didn't know the guy anything about the situation other than a guy was making people uncomfortable.
The majority of the arrests are for trespassing, fare evasion , vagrancy and other “charges” that homeless people face all the time. Not like he was a serial sex offender or violent criminal.
the worst part is that i feel like the people who spread that obviously don’t care that what they’re spreading is irrational and a breed of the whole “he was no angle” fallacy. But then people like these newsmax hosts except for this one guy seems to completely fall for it and don’t even question if it makes sense
Let’s just be glad Jordan Neely can no longer go around breaking the eye sockets of old ladies or pushing bystanders onto the paths of oncoming trains or trying to kidnap small children. Hip hip hooray!
@@ChrisB-xw7un i know right, poor neely he was such an outstanding member of society
Exactly, they didn't know him. By the way he was acting, it could'be been 84 arrests instead of 42
The problem, Kyle, is that to be that "good" at messaging, you have to be completey devoid of all empathy and conscence, since you have to ramble on a serious of outright lies and slander without a twinge of guilt. Be glad you can't do it. It's just indirrect messaging that depends on emotional appeals to unreason.
Plus, that sort of messaging seems cartoonish to most people. "So-and-so is an x, y, and z evil communist."
The republicans and most of the democrat establishment certainly have histories you can correctly and without bad conscience label heinous as and label the people accordingly.
@@fabian4023 1. Homeless people need help with food housing...it must be done ..2..dont keep threating people and think that because of various reasons people will never hurt you..3. Untrained people assume.choking is less violent than punching or elbowing....its actually more dangerious when there is no ref to stop the fight
How about some empathy for the people he assaulted and threatened?
@@ericw2229 who do you think has it worse? The people that dealt with mean words or the guy that died?
Some people think shooting someone who rings your doorbell is a proportional response.
Do you have any facts to back this up. Don't think that's ever happened. But when left scum get rid of law enforcement, that becomes an option. I live in a red state and no treads down here or else you are dealt with swiftly. Peace through strength little buddy
Even if we take for granted that he threatened people, like the one NewsMax host said, it may be illegal but it's not a death sentence. Defenders will then say that we can't say Penny intended to kill Neely, but at some point intent doesn't matter. This isn't something that should be green lit
Sure but for 15 minutes I'm pretty sure that's the point where the brain dies without oxygen.
@@chadrageusmaybe you should learn the actual facts, there wasn't a 15 minute chokehold, see Nate the Lawyer's breakdown of the case.
@@ericw2229 you do know you can get convicted of manslaughter for killing someone in a car accident right? It’s a manslaughter charge and he should face a court of law. You don’t even want him to do that.
@@trappedinamerica7740 it's only manslaughter if it can't be proven Penny acted in self defense of himself and other passengers.
@Eric W Which he didn't. There's literally no evidence of any sort of violence prior to the murder, not even by penny's own testimony.
I hope the boots family gets what's coming to them.
“This is the end of the Good Samaritan “ umm correct me if I’m wrong but that story is about someone saving a dejected member of society from dying not choking someone to death?
Nah dude, you just haven't read the bible properly. There's a man dying at the side of the road, 2 people ignore him then the good Samaritan comes along and murders him for being a nuisance.
You are correct.
@tenkenroo It depends on if you worship RepubaJeeezus.
@@oliverlewis6042 lol
The Good Samaritan wasn't being threatened with physical harm for one.
Thinking about the grandpa who attacked a cement truck with a hammer, and trudged through the cement as the workers watched. They’re saying they would accept that grandpa’s execution? I think not.
Hell nah they wouldn't... It was funny AF when he got stuck in the cement though!
No surprise that Fox NEWS got the story of the good Samaritan wrong. An actual good Samaritan would have helped Jordan Neely by getting Daniel Penny to release that choke hold any way they could.
Or maybe gave him some food.
They don’t read the bible. They probably have no idea what the parable of the Good Samaritan is
Except after three minutes to any knowledgeable person it would be completely obvious it wasn't a real choke lol
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 Whatever it was killed him, but you think because it took longer than 3 minutes to kill him you think Penny was being too kind and Jordon was treated too gently. You keep saying it over and over again and you still don't understand why you're not changing anyone's mind, or not betting any likes for your comments. I don't know you at all but I can tell there's something wrong with you.
@@Paolo8772 Some people don't like learning new things. Like how this was clearly not a real choke, it was a head restraint so no one got a disease chewed into them while waiting for law enforcement.
I like how they brought up past charges like Penny knew that before he killed him
Why does he need to know him? His past record gives cedence to the story that he was acting in a threatening manner
He had a history of violence.
@@ericw2229 and you have a history of pissing off the top of your roof onto passers-by but does that mean you've done it recently or does it make you deserve serious bodily harm?
@@bobbun4369 No, it doesn't, because there's a video record that supersedes any story. Either he was threatening people on the train at the time, or he was not, and his past has zero bearing on that.
The reason people bring up Penny likely not knowing Neeley's past, is that it speaks to *Penny's* motivations.
To explain with a slightly altered situation: If Penny had instead killed some other even worse guy, who had a warrant out for murdering a whole family, etc., but all that Penny knew in the moment was that the guy with the warrant had looked at him wrong, then Penny would simply be guilty of killing a guy for looking at him wrong. The key is that someone *without* all of that criminal past would *also* have been killed by Penny for looking at him wrong. It speaks to how much of a danger Penny is to society. Is this a guy who's prone to killing people? He isn't checking their criminal history before doing so, is he? So being innocent is no defense against Penny either. Neeley could have been totally innocent, and Penny would still have killed him. Will Penny's next target be innocent?
@@ericdugdale8585 Well said and precisely my point. Penny is now even more of a threat to others because of those who are lauding him as a hero (thank you Fox). If he is enjoying his hero status he may want to repeat. This is why bad behavior shouldn't be rewarded. Will Penny now become a co-host on Fox?
I think every time when we the left address the supreme court, we should use the phrase "The radical supreme court, filled by the extreme right-wing corporate backed Federalist society's judges, ..."
Why? Because there are still some people who don't think you're all bat shit insane?
Rules of engagement clearly state they should have waited to stop him until after he tried to snatch up another baby, or smash the cranium of another old lady.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 I mean it works for school shootings. Just wait until the next one only to ignore that one too. Imagine if every drunk in a bar that threatened someone just got choked to death for 14 minutes. An a-hole acting tough, shouting and screaming doesn’t equate to a death penalty. Well, unless you are loud, of color, homeless and in the presence of some scared white folks.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 ahhhh yes. Penny was aware of all of that information while he strangled him to death. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?
@@lukebickerstaff7383 You think it would take a trained marine more than thirty seconds to put a crack aficionados lights out with a choke, do you know how stupid that sounds.
It's ironic that there are probably folks who say that Neely was rightly killed who will also say that Ashli Babbit was wrongly killed.
Great point
But I’m sure they’ll say “well he was defending himself.” Defending himself from what ? The man didn’t attack anyone.
I’m sure you’d feel the same way if neeley was threatening rape
@@barexampasser stay on topic, he didn't do that either... You're disingenuous and should only ever be mocked.
@@barexampasser "I'm sure you would feel that way if he did the thing I made up!"
@@Ryan-tn4gk 😂😂
@@Ryan-tn4gk can’t even refute the logic 💀💀
the problem is it was 3 against 1 and the person choked out had no weapon..screaming threats is illegal but nobody was assaulted..that boy might be in trouble
I’ve encountered this situation allot. When people are homeless you have some kind of empathy. That guy was trained to have no damn feelings and it shows. I’ve been in a situation at night with a mask person and I’ve literally talked thru. Told them we’re the same, I’m out here trying to live just like you. We walked and talked and found out allot of the person. Point is, we need to do better in this world. There is more resources than we need especially in America.
Too bad the elderly woman whose noggin he crushed, or the mother of that little girl he kidnapped didn't try loving him more.
where's the empathy for the weak and defenseless people he assaulted prior to this incident?
@@ericw2229 No you're right. If someone has committed assault at some point that means it's fully justified for anyone to murder them if they're making people uncomfortable. Great point
@@ericw2229 Murder can't be justified with information you didn't know prior to the event, Eric.
@@ericw2229Eric W.
More like Eric L.
this is a 14 minute video off of a like, 30 second clip. I gotta say im impressed
We've heard what the RIGHT has to say; we've heard what BLACK people have to say. So let's hear what the witnesses of this man's death will say in the trial.
Watching this segment made me absolutely sick. This almost makes Fox News look sane with just how revolting the coverage is. And we shouldn't be envious of the way these bloodless sociopaths use language. This is ugly programming here.
Idk man the guy tried to kidnap a child and nearly killed a elderly women’s and NY let him on the streets. None of us would ev talking about Jordan if he killed someone or kidnapped that girl, shit like this is happening on the subway all the time and none of the leftist are talking abo it throwing the criminals in jail! There is a balance. Jordan deserved to live, but should not be on the streets
My take on all of this - stop taking sides. Let Court and jury do they job without pressure. Simple as that.
But then how would the outrage manufacturers make their money?
I don't know it feels like a lot of people who have never been on a train with a crazy person are trying to morph this into something else. Penny is only 24 and an ex marine, how recently did he get out? Has he had time to transition to civilian life or is he still stuck in a state of hyper vigilance? And Neely was deeply troubled but was he threatening people or was he on the verge of an episode because despite what Nichols said you can tell when someone is amping up to violence. The whole thing is tragic but specific and independent of all the Monday morning opinions. I can't in good conscience say what is just with the facts I've heard.
Im looking for the full video of the incident. One thing is for sure: A lot of media outlets are trying to paint this guy as some sort of saint, but he was a menace
The fact that Neely had a long criminal record and some of it violent is 100% irrelevant. His murderer did NOT know about his past. Such a bizarre delusional take from people using that. And gotta love how she says "harassment" as if it is ok to kill someone that harassed you, especially considering harassment is typically subjective."He looked at my girlfriend, so I killed him, he stepped on my toe by accident on the train, so i killed him".Get bent with this lust for murder guised as a fucking good samaritan.
With that line of thinking, women seeking abortion but prohibited by nutbag repubs should be able to eliminate anti choice wankers as they are a threat to women. Self defense bro.
As someone who works with the homeless and folks who are experiencing mental health issues, they make threats many times because they’re seeing or hearing things that are scaring them. They’re desperate to look out for themselves. De-escalation is a rare skill that can change how interactions go. Medical treatment is so difficult to get for mental health. If this guy was experiencing hallucinations, he would be plagued 24/7. Making threats doesn’t mean carrying out threats, and therefore violent force is not warranted.
The fact is many people chose not to accept the mental healthcare available to them, Neely was one of them.
I was a social worker ad well and volunteer with the homeless too. What you said is spot on. Every sane person becomes rattled when a crazy person is threatening them, but that doesn't mean to become insane yourself! Keep cool, sympathize with what you can, and if it's too much for you then remove yourself from the situation. Don't be some kind of twisted "hero" through violence!
@@ericw2229 you do understand that many times they can’t choose things for themselves due to disabilities right? You understand that taking their right to choose is also a lengthy and hesitated upon process too, I hope? Also refusing treatment doesn’t warrant being choked to death.
This is a serious mental health on both sides. People only speak of Neely's mental health issues. Penny is a trained killer that has been put into society. He literally got triggered without being attacked and killed someone. It takes 10 seconds to put someone out with a rear naked choke. 2 minutes in that choke could be fatal. 15 minutes is murder. The other 2 need to be found and charged as accessories to manslaughter. All they had to do was hold him down and call 911. Not kill him. Just like that security guard that shot an unarmed shoplifter. It's illegal to kill someone like that.
How that woman described Bragg in her introduction is mind blowing. I can’t believe this is what is called a news channel in the USA.
I'm going to assume that it like Fox are considered "entertainment" because they don't want to get in trouble for propagating lies proclaimed as truth... but for any place to consider right wing outlets to be legitimately considered "news" is astonishing.
Bragg should definitely sue them. This is slander.
@@ryotanu or we could fight fire with fire and accuse the republicans of being Koch funded... never seen the democrats actually go there...
@@ryotanu I’m not sure that would be classified as slander. They’d claim it was opinion. Not worth a fight imo.
@@nancymesek claiming it as merely an opinion I doubt would be valid.
Appreciate your take. Reassures that there’s kindness in a world where religious people Advocate the killing of the homeless.
Where? Who is advocating to murder hobos?
Absolutely. We should ignore the asses that want to pretend like that's not what is happening when we can all see and hear just fine what's being said. They like the pain and the death, as fascists always do.
@@bobbun4369 listen to them again. You tell me.
The second he pulled that move he knew he was going to kill him. Both of these people should never have been on that train. What kind of society produces citizens like this? A sick one does.
one of those people served his country honorably while the other beat up elderly women and kidnapped children. i know which one i'd rather have inside that train.
@@ericw2229 penny was discharged. He has issues and is a cold blooded murderer who killed a fellow citizen. It wasnt self defense. He is a trained killer and used his training to kill his fellow citizen. last time i checked 3 on 1 is thuggish behavior. Nobody has the right to be judge , jury and executioner. There is no honor in that. Our society has been systematically broken and plundered to the point where barbarians are looked at as heroes. Sickening.
@@ericw2229 Lol served honorably?, you mean he joined the military to be violent. Derp.
@@ericw2229 so he went from killing people over seas to back at home .Neely already paid his debt to society for past crimes . We can’t keep holding peoples past against them
Kyle already back to the slim shady look lol
Wife said I love you more as a tranie.
relationship ending in 3, 2,....
"I'm sorry krystal! I never meant to hurt youUUu, but tonight, I'm bleachin all my hair back"
ugh I see a 1999 justin timberlake ... its the least important criticism i have of him but it makes me take him even less sseriously on average. This is one of his better takes at least
Jordan did not deserve death and the fact that there is dispute about that is awful
But didn’t you know he committed crimes a while ago that the person who killed him didn’t even know about?
What do you expect from a country that thanks baby killers for their service?
@@Galilelo_Telescope That person who killed him probably killed a lot of children as a marine.
It's not even about the circumstances any longer. They see a poor/homeless/POC dead at the hands of a white dude and they immediately start donating to the GoFundMe. They just like that he is dead, they don't care about the legitimacy of any claims, they just see it as a win.
@@Galilelo_Telescope So a person threatening people with violence had a history of being violent? Amazing!
Maybe Jordan Neely wanted to impersonate a dead Michael Jackson?
So we are to live in a world where the mentally unstable, deranged criminals can do whatever they want and you as a person who follows laws, goes to a job, and do your best to live the best life possible, your protection/life is less important. This is literally insane to me. Perhaps 15 minutes of a chokehold is too long, but anyone whose dealt with drug addicts or unstable people, they have extraordinary strength and stamina and occasionally not even tasers work to stop them. But then again the marine and Neely should have never been in this situation, because Neely should have been off the streets and in a prison or mental hospital 39 arrests ago
There wasn't a 15 minute chokehold, watch Nate the Lawyer's rundown of the case.
That's the thing people who brake the law can do whatever and face the risks. That the world we live in every day. I don't think that give anyone the right to kill someone unless it's a life or death thing. There were three people there that could have kept him at bay. We've seen more hostile people at Wal-Mart if we are being real. Does that mean someone can rush in and choke these unrulely people to death?
@@phantomzxro1looking at american histroy and how people got away with violent crime if it was racial specfic
I'm also rather curious to know how people's opinions would change if only one specific part of the story where different: instead of it being a black man, it were a white veteran; still acting the same way, still having the same mental issues, still having the same criminal history; would people view the story any differently? I think many would, and if you think any differently, I think you're pretty naive.
I think that Kyle should do a vape tier list
I think he should do lines on the show
@@franksir5528 mainlines
I had never heard of Newsmax before, so when the host said, "Most of the people on the panel have the opinion that you would think a Newsmax person would have," I had no idea what he was talking about.
its because he's high on old lady snizz
Do you really guys think if her relative or friend got murdered on the subway in the same situation, would she repeat the same sentences? I don't think so.
Well sure, but that's the thing. She doesn't have homeless family member or homeless friends. She doesn't consider Neely or anyone in his situation to even be fully human, so that possibility doesn't exist for her.
Silence is violence, but his threats to kill aren't aggravated assault? Cool story bro.
Saying mean things isn’t a crime…… you clearly need to look up the definition of “aggravated assault” again.
@@jaycorbin He threatened to kill people, that is a crime. This is news to you? Interestin.
@@jaycorbin Go to a police station and scream the same threats he did. See how that plays out.
@@jaycorbin I bet they will congratulate you on not committing a crime by threatening to kill people. Report back your findings.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 Well I am white, so atleast I won’t be murdered like Neely was.
Hearing reasonable points is not what I expect when seeing clips from these networks.
Samr with secular talk
To MAGA clowns it is "reasonable" to claim a black man deserves to be killed by strangulation. "He was being scary" is all they need to know.
The same MAGA clowns who told us a black child "deserved what he got" because he was outside after nightfall, with skittles and iced tea. Oh yeah .... and wearing a hoodie.
It was 1 against 3. He won’t be invited back.
@@nancymesek Yup. Keeping those echo chambers nice and quiet.
How was a mentally disturbed man with 44 arrests and multiple assaults charges allowed on the subway terrorizing riders? How do you put someone in a chokehold for 15 minutes and he's still breathing when you let him go? Neely was still breathing. A rear naked chokehold only takes 10 seconds to cause someone to blackout. Where's the toxicology report?
This is why we MUST have universal basic income. It can't stop there. Even with universal basic income, rich people will figure out a way to confiscate money from the poor and working class, in the form of higher rent, higher taxes, and higher prices payed for goods and services. For starters, along with universal basic income we must have single payer healthcare and strict rent controls across the board.
I agree 💯 it worked great for Brazil, but, Republicans went ape shit when the govt gave out stimulus checks during a worldwide Pandemic, Corporations created an artificial inflation, Right Wing media screamed bloody murder Socialism! Socialism! I hate to tell y'all but the powers that be would never allow UBI
@Donag UBI is good. But if a person gets $2K a month in UBI, what prevents landlords from raising rent by $2K? I've seen this time and time again. Governments love lobbyists and the landlords will bribe representatives to steal your UBI check. For context, in NYC, yellow cabs raised their rates every couple of years, under the guise that their drivers are struggling and the rate increases would go directly into driver's pockets. For a couple of weeks the drivers did get more money but then, afterwards, the owners started charging the drivers the full rate increase, leaving drivers with the same amount of money as before. The only people who got rich were the taxi owners. Uber started off this way too. The percentage of money drivers kept was high and now they barely make enough to pay their bills, though it's their cars, their gas, their insurance, and their labor. It's insane. No one can pay the damn rent. There must be legislation.
100%
That works in fairytale world
@@felipecortez1042 Because of this nonchalant attitude, the gap between rich and poor will continue to grow. The middle class turns a blind eye away from being robbed. The tension will break. There will be civil war.
Kyle- you’re absolutely correct. The right is the best at coming up with phrases. Remember the Georgia election: “Radical Raphael Warnock.” She was close to beating Reverend Warnock. It’s amazing.
And she was basically a lifeless cardboard cutout. No personality or emotion.
you forgot the "liberal" : "Radical liberal Raphael Warnock".
Well, I would modify Kyle's point to say this : The former "republican party" is very adept at coming up with bullsh!t bumper sticker slogans that poorly educated rubes love to hear.
There's nothing genius about what the right does with labeling. They just have a childlike mindset when it comes insulting people and repeat it, whereas, the left and center try too hard to come off as the civil ones.
Jason did a good job of representing our side, but it's going to be REALLY hard for folks on the left to claim that ordinary speech or jokes can be labelled as hate and/or violence... and then do the verbal gymnastics to characterize somebody physically threatening people IRL as not a "violent crime". We've allowed our side to label most anything that makes them uncomfortable as "violence" or "hate" and basically be okay with it.
Does this justify what Penny did? No. But what happened in that subway car is an extension of that reality of us accepting a continued assault on what is and isn't violent behavior towards each other.
He accidently killed someone with a chokehold. That only happens if 1. you're trying to kill that person or 2. you suck at chokeholds. Ask any judoka. Ask anyone who does BJJ. Ask any wrestler.
You're r3t4rded.
A homeless man losing it on a train isn't even anywhere near comparable to, say, a syndicated internet start calling for the mass extermination of trans people.
@@alexhess1163 He would have been out in a few minutes if he was trying. He just didn't want anyone getting a bite full of hepatitaids
This is what happens when you continuosly lower the bar of what's considered violent, the left is spending a lot of time framing verbal violence as violent crimes, this is the consequences of this.
Do I agree with this? Not in hell, that vet need to be prosecuted by this and condemned.
This is the last of this? Sadly no.
I don't know specifically who I have allowed to physically anybody who makes I don't like nor do I recall Kyle doing that. I know some nuts were talking about punching Nazis many years ago, but I didn't know any of them personally which made it hard for me to "allow" them or not.
This is kind of amazing. We have a situation here where we don't know what was going on in the heads of those involved and it is apparently all of our fault for allowing bad opinions by people we don't even know to exist. Evil speech is not equivalent to violence. Nobody should be physically attacked for saying something, and in fact that is already illegal.
I don't know, looks like you are reaching to find a way to feel guilt over this situation.
The "Framing" is dishonest, no matter who does it...and that's not journalism.
My mother to this DAY, who is not political at all, will still remember above all else how Trump owned Marco Rubio by calling him "little Marco"
Certain nicknames and memes like that stick with people over time.
It's even easier: A good samaritan doesn't carry out the death penalty.
The good samaritan story is about a man who was beaten within an inch of his life and mugged. While the man layed, two other men walked by, ignoring the man's plees, but a samaritan helped the man and tended his wounds, and even paid for a roof over the victim's head.
Now I am trying to find out where that story comes into play for Republicans. Who is the victim of a mugging? When did Daniel Penny tend the wounds of this victim? Literally makes not F'ing sense!!!
My question is, how many subway stops did they pass? Where they could have taken the guy off the train and held him until police arrived? Are there subway stations in NYC that are 15 minutes apart? Was there a 15 minute delay and the train was stopped?
Might be the weakest solution ever! Did you vote for Biden? LOL I hope the power doesn't go out in you neck of the hood
If Richard Ramirez were still around and said he liked Trump I'm convinced the NewsMax and OAN people would find some way to defend him. Like even if this guy had to be subdued fine, but 15 minutes after a while it went from justifiable force to intent.
Idk if it's just the way the lighting is hitting Kyle's hair but shades of super light pink blonde go really well on him
How can murderer be a good samaritan? 15 min choking a person is intentional murder
Which part of the story was the Good Samaritan being given death threats?
About 13 years ago I had a roommate who was a trained MMA fighter (for hobby, not for sport or competition), and one time I was joking around said “can you REALLY effectively knock someone out by putting them in a chokehold?” And he was like “let me put you in one and I’ll show you.” And I trusted this dude enough to know he wouldn’t deliberately hurt me, so he puts me in a chokehold and I’m not kidding, on top of not being able to breathe, I could feel the oxygen leaving my brain. My vision started blurring and I started getting weak in the knees all within 7-8 seconds. I was in this hold for 10-15 seconds tops before he let me go. To put someone in a hold like that for 15 minutes is insane.
Exactly. I'm a black belt in Brazilian JiuJItsu and the idea of holding a choke on someone for even a full minute is absolutely insane. After a few seconds to put someone out you gotta release it. I don't even understand how you can squeeze a neck that long without wanting to kill someone or at least not caring if they die
So you are telling us based on your experience, that this was OBVIOUSLY not one of those holds? Rather, a gentle head control method? Thanks.
Takes about 10-30s to lose consciousness and if held 30-45s after you go out, you won’t be waking up. People who don’t know the affects and at what point the affects happen should not be applying chokes.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294 I’m telling you, as a person who is not a trained fighter, that I vividly recall what I felt when my roommate put me in a hold. Whether it was a rear-naked choke, gentle head control, sleeper hold, etc., I don’t know, I’m not well-versed in that.
@@robjgolde3221 Right, so you realize you would have been out cold in under a minute. Hence, this was a case of trying to gain control over someone who may bite you, not a choke.
His “threatening” wouldn’t hold up in a court of law as a direct threat of violence.
If you ride the NYC subway you’re gonna encounter unstable people.
And 99% of us just move or look the other way when it happens.
You don’t have to take a life.
so look away when people are getting threatened or assaulted?
@@ericw2229 of course not.
If the victim assaulted anyone this wouldn’t be a story.
The crazy man should’ve been institutionalized against his will
13:21 Even if it is individual moral failings should we be okay with such a barbaric system? Such an unforgiving system that if you make one mistake, suffer from depression, fall ill, fall on hard times you’re then destitute and homeless and should’ve got over it after your mother was murdered and put in a suitcase and just pressed on?
This homicide in no way qualifies as a Good Samaritan act. Good grief.
Why are you defending a man that beat grannies and tried to kidnap a 7 year old??? And you just thonk this dude was minding hos business on the subway????
@@bobbun4369 Why are you defending a man who murders unarmed mentally ill homeless people?
@@thesauceman8457because self defens isnt murder... And i would want poeple to fight for my right to defend myself as well.
@@thesauceman8457dont need to be armed to cause a threat... Ask either of the grannies that pos hobo beat
rogan is gonna have a very based take on this with his experience, pretty certain he'll have basically the same take where he highlights just how excessive 15mins of that choke is. excited to hear his take
If you believe you or someone else is believed to be hurt or killed self defense is warranted.
Maybe some of you will find yourself in that position……maybe you’d change your mind.
Good job Marine.
I was in NYC (Bronx and Manhattan) last week and I saw a few people acting a bit crazy. One guy was yelling about being out of jail and needed help. He walked right by us and even paused for a moment. The train was pretty full and we just ignored him and didn't make eye contact. He just walked away and went to the next train.
But he didn't threaten to kill everyone there while saying he didn't care if he went back? So not the same?
I have never been to NYC, but I have been to New Orleans Bourbon Street and Memphis Beale Street. There are aggressive vagrants in those two locations. I have had vagrants act aggressive towards me. The main reason being the vagrants have learned, by the numbers, that some people will give them money to go away peacefully.
It has never occurred to me to put someone in a choke hold, simply because they are shouting about being hungry and thirsty. Just the opposite, really. My first thought would be let me buy you some food an water.
There is something very disturbing about the mentality of those who are claiming Mr. Neely deserved to be choked to death. That is some next level Sadism.
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294it's the same the difference is there wasn't a PTSD marine there who acted out on his fear of a black man also having mental health episode. So while the marine might have felt threatened the force he used was unencessary and if you disagree then you believe in extrajudicially killing someone also known as lynching we used to do it to black people using similar justifications to yours.
@@darthbrandon2149 correction, he was shouting he would hurt everyone there and wasn't afraid to go back to prison. Where he was for hurting the last innocent victim.
@@monsterhunter445 lol did all those heroes have ptsd? A whole group of men took his threats seriously, remember?
CHOKING ≠ RESTRAINT
People to stop equating these two things. Choking someone is an act of violence. It doesn't secure the victims arms or legs. Its not a restraint. You choke someone to harm them. An actual restraint, like hooking Jordan's arms behind his back, would have safely restricted his movement without any harm being done. I've done it countless times to patients in the hospitals I've worked in. No one ever died or got hurt. The intent of a restraint is not to cause harm
Was in NYC once and saw a crazy lady on the subway threatening to beat someone up because they stepped on her already dirty and fucked up shoes. Everyone ignored her and kept it moving. Had she got physical then I would’ve choked her myself. People yell on subways all the time. Makes me wonder if the marine guy lives there or not
Was that on a southbound A train Tuesday morning? We may have seen the same crazy lady, except in my case she got into a shouting match with another vagrant.
@@TechGroupF430i naw this was like 12 years ago, but just shows this is an every day thing on the subway
Just cuz her shoes are dirty doesn’t mean anyone has the right to step on it . I’d yell to if someone stepped on my shoes. One day you might be homeless , would u let people step on ur dirty face
Jordan should have been working in the garden at a mental hospital.
He shouldn't have been allowed out in public. He was a threat to others. Daniel Penny did what needed to be done.
You are a walking example of what I was just having a conversation with a buddy about.
Some of the most beautiful people on earth are the absolute most disgusting and ugly human beings on earth.
I am with the marine on this- the homeless guy had over 40 arrests and assault before. And no we don’t need for the homeless guy to do a violent crime AGAIN to then do self defense? And why is it that now suddenly the family cares but they don’t care to help him before? Or who are we kidding this guy would have never gotten better- he is in a better place now! Now I am sure the live are gonna come after me- go ahead!
When someone is die or is killed a lot of people in the family will start caring. Also if know anything about when deadly force or even force should be used than you know he couldn't put him in a chokehold
@@Nolangames-ep8up sadly!
@Nolan1100games Pretty sure they care more about the money they could gain from a civil lawsuit.
@@ericw2229 maybe they do maybe they dont but that's your opinion not a fact
@@Nolangames-ep8up it is surprising that the was left to fend for himself for years and was starving and hungry and his family was nowhere to be found, but now that we have this situation they were approached by the most notorious human rights attorney (pro bono probably) will most probably will make them very rich! I wonder how does that work- we only know you when we can exploit the situation, not when we can house you, or feed you, or help you with services. I live in NYC, I was part of the homeless community at one point, and though everyone circumstances are very different, and the defense here is that he didn’t attack anyone- we didn’t have to wait for him to ATTACK again… and for the record I have seen this poor soul on the subway and his behavior- and it terrifying!
The left has established that words are VIOLENCE.
So those are the rules we play by.
This dude committed violence against the other passengers.
You all made this bed, sleep in it
Threatening violence against people is violence… shouldn’t have been murdered though. And that guy who murdered the young man should pay for their violent crime…
Jordan Neely threatened no one he merely yelled. He was murdered.
@Your Mother I would have killed him twice.
He did the right thing, only pedophile lovers disagree
Imagine me being a black man and a Karen's was yellin at some black teen and i said noting came up behind her and choked her out. I would've been put under the jail smfh.
You are aware Neely said "he was willing to die" and threatening people. If a Karen is saying don't ride your bike or cook a BBQ in the park it's not the same. Big L
@@SpiffingDaythise karen have gitten black men lynched
Why the flying fuck is Kyle and so many other people on the left talking about how Neely had such a bad life and had mental health problems, as if that is the main thing in dispute?! The fact that he had mental health problems does not help your case that he should not have been restrained or choked. The main issue in dispute is when is it acceptible to use force against another person and what type of force should be used.
So far its unclear to me what Neely actually said and in what tone before he was choked. If it came out that he was indeed threatening to hurt people on the subway, I would consider the following actions self-defence (obvisously a judge/jury might disagree). I wonder what people who are basically calling this murder without the full context would say to that scenario.
Alternatively, if Neely did not threaten people directly or make them fear for their safety, I would consider the marine guillty of involentary mansalughter. So long as he didn't mean to kill Neely, which seems like an unlikely scenario and even harder to prove. Obviously the complete exoneration of Daniel Penny from the right is equally moronic as the total condemnation.
Oh shit they got a black guy on newsmax
Head control is critical when trying to not get hepatitaids chewed into you or a friend while dealing with an animal. BBC reported he was immediately put into a recovery position after going limp. Kyle you didn't miss that, you are choosing to not report it. No better than a Tim Pool at this point. Very disappointed.
Report these nuts mfer
@@webbieb7927 Kyle and Tim Pool types who shield their base from reality to make more money?
My guess is that he didn’t legitimately threaten anyone. People may have FELT threatened by him since he was babbling and being weird. Either way he didn’t deserve to be executed and the dude should be charged with some kind of manslaughter at the very least.
literally said he would hurt everyone there and wasnt afraid to go back to prison
@@jedimindtrixr4kidz294and you act once he does it or else we kill people for thinking about hurting others? I guess the point is people were threatened by his mental instability happening in real time.
@@monsterhunter445 he would have been out in three minutes or less with a REAL choke hold. That was head control of a crazy to avoid anyone getting bit.
@@monsterhunter445 threats are aggravated harassment brah
@@monsterhunter445 You really think they had to wait for him to crush another womans skull? Or kidnap another child?
Killing somebody should require a lot of evidence to justify.
That should be the default: Killing is unjustified until proven otherwise.
Isn't it the right that tells us "Words aren't violence?"
"Good Samaritan" ends when he passes out
The marine stopped after he was passed out, watch the video.
@@ericw2229 okay. And? Guy was choked to death.
Leftists try not to defend violent criminals for once challenge: impossible
The whole system is a sham and failed both people in this situation and really, everyone at large.There shouldn’t be this many mentally unstable people wandering around the city terrorizing people, that’s a failure of healthcare, social services, ect. There shouldn’t be people that can’t even ride public transportation without this kind of terror, that’s a failure of police, transit authority and politicians, and there shouldn’t be people that feel the need to defend themselves from perceived threats, failure of police, and the media. Even the marine, failure of the VA,the armed services, ect. they train him to “be a hero” then give him ptsd and put him on the streets. Worst part is the constant droning of media, see something, say something! The people on the plane in Pennsylvania were hero’s because they stopped the bad guys, it’s an awful situation but when you mix people that have a very loose grasp on reality and a penchant for violence into a culture of wannabe hero’s and everyone has easy access to guns of course responses are excessive.
OMFG I take the bloody Subway what Neely did does not deserve the Death Sentence! what this POS did to Neely is BS! the Right will back this POS up and say he was standing up for people he was not.
Evidently he WAS helping his fellow passengers enough for them to assist in restraining Neely.
That hand motion off to the side really helped me visualize what you were talking about. 😊
I'd be more afraid of a guy that choked a man to death than a homeless man that was hungry and thirsty.
THIS INCIDENT ON THE TRAIN IS ABSOLUTELY A CASE OF CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE, THE VIDEO CLEARLY PROVES IT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT >>>>>>>>> >:o
Word for the day: “consequences” for terrorist behavior.
I work at a grocery store where we have homeless people come in and try to steal from us multiple times a day, and they usually threaten me with violence. Am I allowed to then choke them out? No, in fact, I'm not allowed to put my hands on them at all. If they threaten me, I can only tell them to leave the store.
only if you have a reasonable belief of imminent physical harm. a grocery store is a bit different than a crowded subway car.
The system didn't fail him though. Neely was literally in a mental institution and ran away from it.
He should have been in jail. Thats why the institutions failed
@@bobbun4369 Oh, sorry your honor. I didn’t know that the judge presiding over Neely was here in this comment section.
So it did fail him then.
If you really have to blame anyone besides Neely for his reckless actions, blame the corrupt democrat leadership that let him walk free after over 40 arrests. The good samaritan who protected innocent people from a violent psychopath did nothing wrong.
Corruption? The homeless mentally ill lobby must have deep pockets.
Sort of agree with Kyle. The guy was a menace to society that attacks old ladies, but as a bystander you don’t really get to be the judge/jury/executioner unless he is an imminent threat. It’s crazy though that Neely’s family is coming out of the woodwork now. Where were you when he was homeless and assaulting people? His family really abandoned him and now they just want someone to cut them a check.
You act like he was just assaulting prior every day lmao
One or two assaults is enough to be deemed a violent person. And yes his family likely didn't give AF about him before this incident.
I don't know where the rest of his family was, but his mother was murdered, so that's where that part of his family was.
I doubt Pennywise the clown can pay up, well maybe with all that money RWNJs are throwing at him.
How do you know what his family was up to, I'm going to assume (like you),his family tried hard to get him off the street and into a facility that could help him, I'm going to assume they walked the streets night and day trying to find him to make sure he was getting what he needed to survive because sometimes when you are in the midst of severe mental disorders you eventually wind up right back on the street or bouncing from one shelter to another,we don't know how much interaction he had with his family,and I'm sure whatever they receive in compensation won't make up for the fact that video of him being murdered will always be available for entertainment purposes.
Shame on me for assuming the "lone dissenter" was going to be white, but good on you for not mentioning race in explaining the panel's situation.
Good on Jason Nichols for seizing that opening and calling them out on their BS.
Libs who are for letting these guys with multiple arrests on the streets don’t have to deal with the consequences of their own policies
Neely’s death was unfortunate, but I don’t think the marine had premeditated motives. It’s up to a jury at this point. I think the outcome will be made a lot more clear with hard evidence, instead of sensationalist news headlines.
Then he committed manslaughter. Premeditation isn't a requirement for conviction of manslaughter.
A simple full nelson would have been sufficient if any force was needed at all(which it wasn't).. The chokehold was completely unnecessary. If Penny was such a great soldier then he should have realized this.
holding a rear naked choke for more than one minute is intent to kill. it cuts off blood flow to the brain. people pass out from the choke in a just few seconds.
@Matthew Mebert honestly it should be a second degree murder charge. One of the definitions in New York law is "Recklessly caused the death of another person under the conditions that showed that you had a depraved indifference for human life."
Which a 15 minute chokehold would easily qualify
He killed him and he was a nosy.
Doesn't New York have a duty to retreat if someone makes a violent threat on you?
Great video.
I feel sorry for both of them. And their families. Neely didnt deserve to die for being mentally ill. Im sure his family wishes they would have gotten him some help or something.
The marine im sure feels terrible. I doubt he went on the train that day hoping to kill a man. Now hes in jail for doing what marines do. Try and protect people.
The whole thing is unfortunate. I think the city is at fault. If this man was that violent he shouldnt have been on the streets. His record is littered with assaults. He was on a list for the top 50 mentally ill people in new york.
What are people supposed to do if the city refuses to protect its citizens?
I understand the uneasy feeling of this guy dying by the hands of this Marine. I truly do. But to charge him with manslaughter for trying to subdue a man with aggression with civilians trapped in a moving train. If you can’t prove he meant to hurt this man, which he clearly did not want to kill the guy, he can’t be charged for something like this. He tried to help in a really bad situation. You can’t punish someone that was put in a really bad situation and tried to help when there was no one there to do so.
The guy definitely could’ve loosened up that choke hold. But he is in a fight or flight moment. I don’t think anyone can understand that unless you’ve been there. He is not a cop. He is a civilian.
@@Poise716 It was really loose though based on the fact the whole thing lasted more than a few minutes. Plus they put him in recovery position as soon as he went limp. The guy really tried his best to just maintain head control.
Manslaughter means you took actions that resulted in somebody's death but didn't mean to kill them. If he had the intent to kill the charge would have been murder.
Do you understand what manslaughter is? Penny, like the others on the train, had the choice to wait until the next train stop and exit. Like you said the train was moving. And unlike the other passengers Penny put himself in a bad situation starting with sneaking up from Neely and choking him. Those were all choices. Neely did not choose to be mentally, but Penny by his own admission chose to act.
@@Poise716 Then he should have chosen to flight. The fight defense went off the table when Penny decided to sneak up from behind and attack Neely. You fight when you're cornered and can't flight. Penny should have remembered that he was a civilian when he got involved.
Kyle when did you turn into a tim pool type Is krystals snizz that venomous?
If youre able to make excuses for criminals then it shouldnt be too hard to make some for people who defend themselves and others.
We don't make excuses for criminals, we just recognize that we collectively have more control over institutional and systemic pressures than we do over individual behavior. If people are committing crimes because they are financially desperate, we have more control over the systems that make people desperate than we do over their individual moral compass.
But if someone is convicted of a crime the next is creating systems that prioritizes public safety, not revenge. If there are policies that reduce recidivism and prevent the worsening of the predictable outcomes of individual convicts then those policies should be pursued, because those are the policies that most effectively promote public safety.
Thisis why protections against cruel and unusually punishments were part of our bill of rights; egregious and unnecessary punishment works to undermine and delegitimize the validity of the state, showing it irresponsible with its monopoly over violence. And if you want a state you want something that is responsible with such great a charge.
He wasn't defending himself, LOL, there was no violence you fool
Also, a 14 minute chokehold is murder, not self defense
@@avinashtyagi2 you’re right, he should’ve just waited until the erratic hobo started attacking people. I wish I lived in the fairy tale land you do
@@jacksonboyd8630 You seem eager to justify murder which concerns me greatly. Given your words and how threatening I find them, how should I react if I see you out and about? Should I just wait until you start attacking people?
@@furiousapplesack you seem eager to defend a lunatic
This is why I love pepper spray. If someone gets in your face and threatens you, spray them with a little hot sauce and it changes their mood instantly. One minute they're a tough guy, the next minute they're weeping and begging for some water to splash in their face.
How about this you can keep your guns and you can keep your “good Samaritans”, if we can all just focus on mental health issues in this country that are the main source of so many divisive issues.
The funniest part is the party that revolves most of its policies and ideologies around religion especially one that teaches empathy is the very last group of people that ever wanna show empathy towards other Americans ✌️🇺🇸
Neely was given mental healthcare and he refused it. This is actually a case of a violent person with active warrants who should've been arrested and not allowed to roam the subways threatening passengers.
@@ericw2229 Yet how many times was he refused care? You don’t know cause you’re in a right wing echo chamber brother. You’re caught up by your favorite part, is political narrative. You’re no different than the person you hate watching CNN. ✌️
One of those moments where being the judge and executioner collide. Nobody should have that power.
Citizens have a right to protect themselves and others if threatened. You do not have to wait for someone to attempt to harm you. Intent is obvious. With that said, and with basic high school wrestling and training with Military Police, it is obvious the difference in detaining and neutralizing and killing. We were taught in wresting that you cannot put your hands/arms around the neck without their arm in. In the military you are taught to decide quickly detain or cripple/kill. That marine would have had similar training. Not acceptable to lock that in that long. Once he was detained and no longer a threat, his training would have been to roll him over and lock up the arms/wrists and have others around guard his limbs to assist and avoid surprises. That marines record needs to be pulled and looked at in depth to understand intent.
I agree with you, but, intent is NOT usually obvious. I can’t speak for everyone, but I’m personally not a mind reader. Different people will arbitrarily determine what is a “threat” and what is not a “threat” which suggest that intent is not obvious.
thank you for that amaing insight. puts the whole thing in a very clear perspective. this needs to be said at every interview about it. i hope the family lawyer has that information! .........(and TYFYS)
Well I had to kill him officer, he MIGHT’VE killed me with a pack of Skittles or something!!” Guess you also claim that George Zimmerman murdering Trayvon Martin was completely justified because a 14-year old is VERY scary…..
@@jaycorbin Exactly. If someone perceives EVERYTHING as a threat then one can conceivably justify killing anyone over anything.
Someone could walk by and I could say “he looked at me weird! I had to shoot! I felt threatened!” 🥴