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That sounds... really weird. If we are to believe everything this guy says, the other players were hostile to the mere idea of a new player at all, and the DM seems extremely... touchy? Like the mere mention of someone talking about what they can/wanna do to help, is "bragging" rather than communicating.
Also, the Sorcerer and Fighter especially have been nothing but hostile since day one, by the sounds of it.
I don't see anything that OP has said or done here that would warrant that kind of treatment. So while it's only one side of the story, so far it sounds like people who were angry that a new player entered, and went out of their way to be assholes to him.
Agreed. Without being able to hear the other side of the story, this all certainly sounds like the moment he joined he was cursed to fail as the other players wanted nothing to do with him. The DM certainly doesn't sound like they helped the situation. From the sounds of it I would not be surprised to learn that all the players and DM had been friends/playing together for a while and while the DM tried to bring in another person the moment he noticed the rest of the table wanted nothing to do with the new guy they were not going to do anything to aid OP, especially after getting touchy about OP talking about possible people in the world that the DM could have easily inserted as being actual lore or let it play out later as OPs character just being full of crap.
@@SpyderWebbedHawk Well, the story did say that this party had been playing together for a year prior to OP joining, so, yeah, this probably was the case.
Sounds like a bunch of slightly autistic cellar-kids who react at *'normal communication skills'* like an unforgivable tresspass into their silent bubble of comfort zone.
I speak of experience. I am also a bit like that. Takes willpower and a bit of effort to become a normal & respectable person.
there is another vid by artificial dm where they replied in the comments gist of it is OP was trying to be included in group rp but was constantly being shut out for being the new guy
@@dillontanner622 I heard it from zflocco personally, and the gist there was that op was being rude by interrupting? And way too many details in the story are incorrect
Unless he's hiding a lot and not being honest, this guy seems to be pretty in the clear. What a bunch of jerks.
i agree, if this is pretty much all that happened, or at least the major stuff (i wont be surprised if this is all that went on) then the party are all just bad people and they dont deserver a 5th player
Jerks & cringe idiots indeed.
This are the type of surface calm sociopaths you need to get rid off before they get rid off you.
@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Yeah, I can tell the difference between a jerk and someone who means well. This guy dodged indeed.
Actually the party replied in zflocco's covering of this story, and op was definitely the bad player, on top of getting most of the details wrong in the story. One small example was the mute fighter was a human, not a kalashtar.
I think he's hiding something. The DM mentioned that he was constantly arguing with their rulings, but there wasn't really any evidence of that though this story.
Archer: "Now I can shoot them with my arrows."
DM: "Wow, dick. Brag much?"
Fighter: “hit dragon hard, axe good”
Dm: chill it with the bragging
Player who prepared: "Perfect! I've got just the thing for this"
DM: "Can you please get your head out of your own ass?"
Player: "Now that we got the item, we can get out of here"
DM: "Bro, stop bragging"
@@MazaAzi Wizard: "Since we're heading into the forest, I prepared Speak With Animals."
DM: "Can you not meta-game, please?"
@@dannya.2616 this one ☝️
"No D&D is better than bad D&D." Sounds like this person dodge a bullet.
And respect to them for recognizing that.
I have not played a RPG in nearly 30 years because I can't find a game or I just did not have the free time.
I don't know its can be a toss up.
Sounds like the sorcerer and fighter were caught up in their own little circle jerk of a storyline while getting stroked by the DM, and you weren't enough of a heal-bot.
The opener isn’t bad at all, calling him “this one”. Doesn’t make sense why this would offend them. I REALLY need to hear the other side of the story to know whether it’s OP fault or not
Yeah of everyone got offended I called someone “this one” I would be the least likable person ever,
Honestly sounds like a bunch of tumblrite extra sensitive snow flakes.
@@ShiroNekoDen this
Right? This ones mind is boggled. (referring to myself in the 3rd person)
This all really sounds like OP is leaving something out else this all sounds insane. We really do need the other side of the story
This sounds like classic, DM is god and infallible with PCs that go along for the story and don't actual interact with the world around them. From this video I'd say the Cleric was put into a situation that was built to fail. Especially with the "mute fighter" and not being able to world built along with the PC he and the DM made. I'd say it's the parties issue.
I agree; just look at the comment I left. I know what they're going through.
The party and dm actually commented on the post on zflocco's channel, op was most definitely in the wrong, and this story hides most of the reasoning why
@@roninharriet4886 He said she said dose not refute this video, nor the other one.
@@roninharriet4886 link?
yep
How dare he clearly state how he would like to help party by bragging about how powerful a...... trickster cleric is. Not that there is anything wrong with picking the subclass, but it's far from optimal. If OP was being mostly truthful, sounds like a toxic group, and being kicked was probably a good thing.
I completely agree. From what I’m hearing, this guy clearly just wanted to make some more friends and play D&D. This group was just toxic to them.
The other players have actually responded in a comment on a video called "Innocent Player Kicked For No Reason? | D&D Horror Stories", according to them it wasn't so much what the player said but more the fact that they kept inturpting other people speaking to say it. So balanced view and all that.
@@VampireNewl Hmm I guess then it would depend if they tried to communicate that with him, or were just passive aggressively hostile about it to the point it felt toxic. A lot of ttrpg problems can be solved with a quick chat.
Clearly this is a case of poor communication on part of the other guys. They didn’t reach out to tell him what they didn’t like. And it seems to me that they just didn’t want to introduce a new person to their already tight knit group.
if the case was they didn't want to introduce anyone new, then why did the DM invite them?
@@willparry530 "I miss Terry" "Yeah, he was a cool dude.."
DM: invites Jerry (not in a bad way. just a guy who's complete opposite of Terry in one area and is hated for that by the group)
@@darklusare7582 lol
Yeah, I got the same impression, though the other perspectives would be nice to hear on this; if OP is accurately describing the events, sounds like they just found a group they don't fit in with, and not that they're a problem player.
The lack of communication between players and DM outside of the game is what made this whole thing crumble for sure.
I have to admit, this seems to be a case where the OP is putting as much as they can on the table outright. I agree that he may not be telling us all of the effects he had, but that would require reading other people's minds. So I'll have to say that he just came off with a bad first impression due to a choice of words that could be taken in a negative light. And then every possible act he made since wasn't accepted regardless of what he did. Sure, some of his comments could have been better muttered under his breath or maybe more inclusive, but there are people in the world that like to say their actions aloud. I would place more blame on the group's interpretation of his actions without trying to understand him better than the OP's fault in his decisions.
I can agree that he put much on the table but when everyone else isn't being nothing on it and two players are being hostile and the DM think you're "bragging" when you say "Now that he can't move WE can do a lot of damage". Than you have to realize this may be the reason why they can't keep a 5th player.
@@Darkness19Z other than THEY are a whole bunch of fuckers?
I'd say nothing he said wasn't exclusive at least (how is "this one" offensive really? Americans...) and as far as his narrative is concerned, the group was made up of uber sensitive judgemental snowflakes. Like, I don't use that term lightly, but in this case, it just might be the case unless OP is omitting truths.
I mean but saying"thats what humans do/ it's human culture" is a term of phrase their really isn't a more inclusive way of saying it as on this planet we only have one predominant species and being all uppty about it sorta baffles me. It seems like the fighter was probably the groups fave and after "insulting" he/she the op was basically ostracized as to not get on the fighters bad side
They wanted a game without a social player, reminding them of their pathetic social skills.
From the sound of it, the other players mistakened OPs roleplaying for his actual personality, so it may be a problem with communication.
yeah
Very much so. I thought the DM woulda stepped in here and there when the party was way too hostile or downright rude. Or heck, even bothered to give OP context to begin with. I rly hope that the DM or players see this or the og post so they can clarify bits and pieces. At the very least, not attack OP for saying their piece anonymously cuz they certainly seem like the type to do so if OP's words are true.
@@hitsugatatsuro9978 so apparently there's a story out there that claims to be from the perspective of several of the individuals involved and makes a claim of 'autism.' But no one's linked me yet so I couldn't tell you where it is.
@@willparry530 not sure if this is allowed here but the vid you are looking for was by zflocco which can be dated back 3 weeks ago i think.
@@marionettekent Alright, thanks
I feel like we are missing a lot with this story. The group is so heavily in the wrong still but maybe talk with them outside of the game
The problem with that though is, assuming things are as OP says, the group clearly has developed a personal animosity towards them, so they probably won't talk to them. The closest OP got to an explanation was that it annoyed them when they made up some irrelevant lore for flavor and that they hated the "bragging" that comes off here as mostly just OP signaling to the party what they're about to do, which really sounds like a good thing since it gives them a chance to interject if they have any objections or notes, and they were only told that after it was too late. They apparently insist on just being aggressive instead of giving OP, who is essentially a stranger both in-game and out-of-game, constructive criticism or at least being clear on what exactly is upsetting them. This leaves OP completely in the dark as they struggle to sleuth-out the issue and fix it on their own. Granted, OP could be omitting important details or even outright lying, but by that logic, the whole story could just be made up, so we really just have to trust them here, unless we catch them in a lie. Honestly, though, OP would have to be covering up A LOT to make them the definitive problem here. Even if OP was a lot more annoying than it seems here, if the party refused to clarify what was wrong, how could they be expected to improve?
@@metanightmare4454 Well said, pretty much agree, word for word.
@@metanightmare4454 Heartily agree. If this does turn out to be mostly true, then it positively boils my blood that these kinds of dramatic, overly sensitive, and judgemental trash groups exist.
As a person who had trouble meandering thru childhood cuz I would constantly misunderstand people and yet no one would tell me what I was doing wrong and just outright hate me, this story just incites a different kind of fury in me. It's DnD -communicate!!
3:14 “this one” seems like a completely exceptional fantasy pro noun that an eccentric character might use, I dunno. YIRBEL LIVES!
Yep and the term I think would be better than using the race of the character.
Even after listening to the whole thing, I can’t believe it all started with OP uttering “this one” in reference to a player he felt may have some kind of issue. Like… it makes no sense.
Especially since that fits with the British/European personality they were trying to RP. "This one" is a common pronoun across the pond.
Kind sounds like he was guilty of breathing air and that offended them
I don't know about this story... For how he worded it, it seems like everything is almost fine, but, like he said this is his side of the story, there may be things he hasn't told or maybe other things people found in him that wasn't what they were expecting.
Maybe It was the tone.
Tone can change evry word into an insult.
Or maybe they didn't understood the way a heavy rolplay plays.
@@thereita1052 I don't think the players didn't know what heavy roleplay is, but the segment where the sorcerer tells that she is worried for the Barbarian and sees something, that hinted me that they know how to roleplay, maybe not the best, but can comprehend what to do and what to say, maybe session 0.1 should've been done with everyone in the group instead of just the DM, to see what everyone disliked and to avoid as much as possible.
@@The_mekboy_you_deserve tbh it sounds like the party was either just a bunch of jerks, OR they got off on a bad foot and the first impression just soured them permanently to the point of 'no second chances.'
These people appear to have been drawn into their biases. And yeah, tone. It might be that he was trying to be helpful but came off loud and obnoxious. I know a guy who was like this. I could see he was trying to be helpful, but the DM always got mad whenever he came up with a practical solution. My advice to him was to keep his best laid plans to himself, since explaining them got him nowhere. We didn't last much longer in that group.
@@thereita1052 I was thinking that the tone might have been an issue, since OP did say they were playing their character as a cocky, talkative bullshitter, so that tone might have exacerbated the party’s issues with the character, especially considering some of them seemed to be pretty easy to offend. It still doesn’t excuse how they treated OP, however. And don’t even get me started on the DM.
This feels like when I call someone's pet a him, and they get super offended because they're a her.
And because you were someone's +1, they won't outright kick you out but they're hostile to you the whole party until eventually, they reach boiling point cuz you were tryna make amends but they already made their minds up that you were a horrible person from the get go... and furiously kick you out and threaten to call the cops if you tried coming back.
ow can you not tell when a pet is a her or a him?
You just need to wrestle the beast down violently and non consensually grope its private..
That way you won't offend anyone..
wow, its just impressive how some people are sometimes
More like disappointing.
Thares about 85,266,666.666 people in the world who are nice
We mostly see the bad tho
Impressive about being stubborn
@@KingBoom34 that's a gross exaggeration, nothing is nice or mean to everyone and everyone has their flaws it's all just sorta grey
This sounds like the player bumped into a "Mean Girls Club" crowd. As in, these people already knew each other and were good friends, and if you did anything to 'hurt' one of them then they all turned on him like a pack of paranas. It sounded like after the first mess up they had already made up their minds and were in FU mode. Nah man, screw em.
Sounds like a shit group, and that's probably why the 5th player left in the first place. Hopefully OP finds a better group/table
Sounds like a toxic close nit group that is hostile to newcomers.
I feel like that may be the reason why the 5th player left, they just couldn't stand the toxic bullshit anymore!
I suspect there is much more to the story not said here. This story reeks of a perfect little victim.
@@baziwan9407 yeah I thought it sounded like the party were toxic, but after what the dm says it sounds like he stopped everyone during their turns to tell them how to best optimize turns. Hostile Turn Takeovers...
@@patrickdavis5231 yeah that sounds right the game suck it's just ridiculous and it's sad too and I don't understand the dm logic or reason for taking somebody out or the prayers toxicity it just seemed like it was just another group of prayers who didn't want a newcomer also I don't know why the dm ask to play this game anyways if there's going to treat him like that
Hmm, this is a tough one. It sounds a lot like a clique has formed and the player was doomed from before he joined but without hearing from the others at the table, we'll never know what happened
07:34 "The Bard casts Hold Person" "It succeeds, so now the Beast is paralyzed." I don't want to be that guy, but Hold Person shouldn't work on Beasts. It might have been a mistake, but to me, that's a Red Flag.
imma just say, i think he meant hold monster instead of person given they were at least lvl 10 but in all regards i do agree
They said "anthropomorphic rabbit person" so that might be a clue
Also hold person/monster requires being able to see the target... I thought it was invisible.
@@Dmon3k it was invisible.
ok so unless a detail was left out, the spell shouldn't have worked out all. Good to know
Until i hear the other side of the story, this sounds like to me the group and DM Closed Ranks on the guy. So until this group comes forward and gives their side, this is what it sounds like.
I'm incline to be against the DM on this one for one reason. The DM introduced the PC as a slave that the party was freeing. I have been on both sides of this, and I have made the determination to never do this again. When you introduce a slave, the party gets the idea that the character should just be thankful that they were freed. Instead of fair compensation, freedom is thier reward. In this case, the party decided not to even throw a few gems his was after the fight with the mind flayer. I understand that he was not there for the beholder, but I doubt the party would have survived the mindflayer after the fight with beholder. Since his healing kept the party alive, he should have received some money. What the DM should have done was have the NPC aknowledge this and provide compensation. This makes me believe the issue is more with the DM.
hmm, I hadn't thought about that, good point.
Either it is an extremely hostile group who would find fault in any little thing or OP is omitting significant things from the story as to not look so bad. Hard to tell without hearing both sides, but, as told, the whole scenario was very odd.
Not sure what to think here with out the other side but first impression, I can see how some things may have come off as boasting, but really think they just did like some one they did not know joining the group. Have had some experience with that kind of thing my self
No OP isn't in the wrong. I heard this story on another channel and I was reminded of my personal experience with a SWTOR RP guild and It was similar to this. Possibly worse as it involved PvP during session zero.
If the cleric is as unbiased as they explained, the issue from here is an excitable, talkative new player joining a group of overly sensitive grumps with trust issues. Also not a fan of a GM who won't nip issues at the bud, and let them bubble up. No wonder they have issues tying down a 5th player
OP sounds fine, I would say it was the DM and other players at fault.
The DM wanted a full game, doesn't help to clarify the world, subtlety gets rid of new member!
The mute fighter and DMPC were two huge red flags , also don't understand how this one could be offensive, doesn't even seem like OP Did anything wrong, but we have to hear the other side of the story just to be sure, we don't know if OP sugarcoated his story.
While I agree that there could be some things they could have worded better I am under the belief that they just had a bad group, because they got no World lore they first joined the group and a character would not know if somebody is mute so blaming them for not knowing that is not okay but that's just my opinion.
This exactly, the communication was faulty from the start.
Maybe if he metagamed and knew the fighter was a mute it would have been avoided but, where is the fun in that when you can get the lore from interactions and communications.
Also, they had the perfect chance to reveal part of the fighter’s character (cause they never say outright if they are Deaf or mute) heck, if they said that it could have opened up more character growth.
But honestly, if OP’s description of the DM and the PCs are to be believed, they were hostile to them from the get-go and any attempts to patch up the relation was a fruitless endeavor.
If what OP was saying is true, I honestly have a hard time understanding why the party was so hostile to him. The GM, Fighter and Sorcerer especially had hairs up their asses about OP.
Yeah, I feel that communication wasn't handled well but the other's in the group were kind of being jerks
Doesn't sound like the fighter and sorcerer were willing to work things out.
Sounds like they didn't want him at the table to begin with. I've know groups who have people who hate any and all newcomers for no other reason than them not already being part of the group
@@DHTheAlaskan that's sad =( why didn't they tell their DM to not invite someone instead of bullying them out?
@@Kino_Cartoon i don't know, people often ignore common sense solutions.
Based off of what was said, my initial reaction is “WTF”
But again, one side of the conversation
No this is simply because they wasn't used to a decent role player getting involved and they clearly thought they knew better when they clearly didn't!
The last time I was this early, there were 3 goblins in a trench coat!
On the scene, top 10 arrivals
Based on only this video, it seems like this was a close knit group that didn't take well to a newcomer and anything he said sounded like a challenge or a brag.
This is feels like they read too many RPG horror stories and had the OP on a tightrope.
9:47 -You're the new guy, right?
-Yeah.
-You ever wonder why there was a job opening?
-Jurassic World
Edit: 9:22 I believe you, the player really doesn't fit into toxic communitys
I think it's alittle more on the fighter and wizard.
I think you mean sorcerer
If OP is telling the whole truth it really sounds like he did nothing wrong and dodged a huge bullet
Tho there is possibly an omission of truth somewhere. We can't tell without the other people's sides. At the very least, the DM's.
*Punched in the face for wanting to fit in*
My character: Jumps head first into a chasam and both middle fingers up.
... And that's how I left that table after failing to join a click 😀
“Don’t give me lore for my world”
Bro I love when my players make up random bullshit that I haven’t mentioned, their characters would have knowledge of things from where they are from. They’ve led full lives, so if they bs something for rp, bet your Willy I’m adding it in
They fought a whole beholder, huh?
When I was younger, I stumbled in on the Mulmaster Beholder Corps meeting with some others, just outside Dagger Falls. Before I knew it, my friends and I were facing 15 Beholders, 9 Dark Elf Lords, 6 Dark Elf High Priests and 5 Rakshasa. Unsurprisingly, the fight was over very quickly. In fact, I don't think any of 'us' even got a turn.
I heard this story on another D&D story channel a few weeks ago. Some of the players from this game actually commented on that video as well. Can't remember what they said but I do remember that the OP did omit some information from the story.
Groups that have been playing together for a long time can have some really odd faux-pas that you probably crossed without realizing it. Sounds like you were the only on at the table familiar with the "yes, and" technique of improv that so permeates the highest tier of streamed dnd, for example (what you were attempting with the wine and paintings) and since they hadn't been exposed to that style of dnd, really put the dm on pause, leading him to be more inclined to side with his friends, who seemed to not enjoy having new people come in and shake things up. idk the whole story, but sometimes people get in a rhythm and/or aren't in the mood for outsiders. Probably a good time for a new table, regardless of who's at fault.
Found a Zflocco vid on this exact same story, and three of the other PCs had responded on that video to explain their sides of things, and a lot of OP's story is missing out very key details.
I had a player that caused problems with my party due to always being the center of attention and challenging my rules. He seemed to think we were cool and I tried to kindly persuade him to help others have the spotlight sometimes. We had frequent conflicts, which we will resolve quickly. However, I think I compromise too much on my part and let him get away with certain behaviors too much. he got mad when his character didn’t get his way, but he always felt like he needed to do what was best for the party. His perception of what the best thing to do is what is very different from my perception of that, and the rest of the parties. All my other players felt is how he had an ego. I drew the line when some of my players expressed that they felt as though that player was using our group. The player had constantly been suggesting that he write lore for my game for me and he even wanted to run his own campaign at some point. I told him that if he wanted to run a game, he should just do it and that I would gladly playing his game and even help him out if you wanted to, but I was going to write lore for my own game. He basically tried to avoid responding to that and reached out to the other players privately to ask him about his ideas that I told him no too. After I found out, I was pissed off. I value communication very much and I hate when people talk behind my back about my game. If they have a problem with it, they need to talk to me. This player literally would not take no for an answer and would argue and try to find every way to do what he wanted. outside of that, he was a nice guy and seemed like he was genuinely trying to make things work with us. I was very confused and conflicted because of his strange behavior. I ended up messaging him that I’m removing him from my game and he took it surprisingly well, leaving without much argument. I was really confused at that, but I think he knew he was in the wrong and was afraid of the conflict. I found out afterwards, that he message some of the other players and ask them what they thought. But before any of them could answer he blocked all of us online. what a strange person… I felt like I was wrong for kicking him out, but after a few weeks, saying that my players are much happier, I knew I made the right choice.
As someone who has had this happen a lot, albeit not in D&D, this appears to be a case where there isn't proper communication. This can cause people to misinterpret the situation, which can lead to escalation. To avoid this, but still preserve roleplaying, I would say what my character does as them, and then, as myself, clarify the intent of my character, and what that means to the character.
This is so heavily against the party. They were hostile from the first interaction. Need the other side of the story to confirm though. Personally, I would have been out from the moment they started PC stuff.
Why would a DM be pissed at someone making up small details? A player is fleshing out the world on their own, thats fantastic lmao
Even if OP is hiding a bit, this doesn't seem to be his fault.
OP would have to be hiding A LOT of information for this not to be the group's fault
[There is a second part to this story]
I saw this story on one of the other D&D narration channels, but I can't remember which, think I may have been Zfloco, or the Artifical DM. Had a quick look, but I couldn't spot it from the thumb nails or video titles. 😓
Anyways, there was a pinned comment because after they readout this story, it was seen by the ALLEGED group themselves. And the fighter, sorcerer and DM (I think) chimed in to comment on the video, recounting their side of the events. Happy hunting.👍👍
Sounds like the group was in the wrong, considering how hostile they were towards the newcomer in the homebrew campaign. Considering how the new players was being intentionally rigged & berated by both the DM & party members
Also you'll notice how the the GM at the end, says that everyone has been talking for a few weeks between themselves, about how OP isn't a good match. Didn't schools use to tell us to go to the person, & try hashing it out with them, involving the "adult" only after they have talked things out! It feels like they were already "mentally set to not welcome the new-guy" at all costs!
@@DarkArtsMage Unfortunately, due to how insane and Unbecoming people are these days it doesn't seem like that way anymore. They used to have a class that helped to teach people to be civilized, and have manners when talking or addressing two people. But not anymore unfortunately.
Comment from the reddit thread (more will be added as I find more):
Hi- I'm the Half Orc Lore bard from this session. I don't speak for the party or DM, just for myself. I generally do My best to give people the benefit of the doubt. Please don't go hate on Shadowmere448, i genuinely don't think they meant to come off this way. I think that choices that weee made should not have been made, that is all.
My thoughts;
I dont really have an issue with the person. I have an issue with the choices they made with the character. They chose to create a rude, uptight, entitled, lawful evil character going into a session knowing the characters would be close- we've been playing for close to a year. They chose to try to sneak the character around and go behind the party's back and play the character as shady as fuck, knowing the players were already close to each other. They chose to be disruptive at certain times, assume they would receive things from the DM if they said it, assumed the party would be cool woth someone trying to turn them over to the spy group, and be incredibly rude with no repercussions.
After the roleplay was finished, this person said, and I quote, 'Whew! It's so exhausting to play ---!'
I'm sorry, but you chose to play a character who is rude and entitled, knowing full well this party has been at this for a full year out of game. How could that have possibly been a good idea? And to try and brush of the problematic ablist tendancies of your character whoch you chose to create is trying to shirk your responsibility and gaslight others into thinking you're not that bad.
The character metagamed, assumed they were part of conversations that were across the room from them, inserted themselves into private conversations assuming they were going to 'fix everything', was i credibly rude to NPCs, was entitled enough to demand payment for being rescued, assumed that because they used a spell they deserved compensation, made decisions on behalf of the party without consulting the party, assumed they'd get payed, and assumed the party would follow them because they followed Iune. That's just the character.
The PLAYER was somewhat disruptive, seemed a bit oblivious, made assumptions, was cery entitled, somewhat to the point of being rude, and when they didnt get what they assumed they would get, they acted as if they had been personally wronged in some way but was bearing through it bc they were the bigger person. They were using some gaslighting techniques to try and seperate themselves from their character- if you have to do that using problematic behaviors, then maybe dont play evil characters and just stick with ones you're comfortable playing.
All this to say- we aren't 100% innocent, nor are we 100% at fault. I would have liked to have had a conversation with this girl but didnt feel it was my place to do so. I don't think we really gave her a fair chance either. But some of her behavipr is and was unnacceptable. There are two sides to a story. Don't assume you know me or this person, you don't.
To Shadowmere448- Come talk to me. It won't get you back in the game but at least then we can have a conversation and get closure withiut the need to put shit out on the internet. This has caused me a couple panic attacks just today, let alone the others. You have had very real impacts on myself and others with this- if you want to get closure, maybe come and talk to us instead of making us seem like terrible people on the internet when you don't have all the facts. The door is open, and I would like a chance to hear your side and for you to hear mine.
If we go only on what OP said, he was a saint and these people are monsters... however I see 2 issues with making any ruling: 1 we indeed only have one side of the story, we only have in table interactions and we only have a few one sided examples of how those interactions went and many times that may be biased by the self perception of the OP. 2- It could be that in his eagerness to be part of it he overdid and didn't notice, I have a friend that I constantly have to remind to stop intervening to tell everyone what to do during combat, and I mean CONSTANTLY to the point where I know I can come off as hostile and other players do get upset not being able to think on their own cuz they get interrupted by the "optimal" player. It's too complicated to give a ruling on this case not knowing what actually happened. Sorry. When it seems to horrible to be true, there could be a few key pieces missing there
Doesn’t sound like a very open minded group.They needed to recruit a close friend who thought the way they do not someone random who they could bully
how oblivious can you be? like seriously at the end of the story the group was chastising OP, *FOR* *BEING* *ATTACKED!!!*
Nice story, perspective is important in these stories
I don't see a problem so far. Maybe something happened with the accent that offered them. Or this could be a case of the OP not having or giving information that gives the story a complete 180
True. I feel like all of it is too safe a response for the hostility (unless he just has decent mental health) so likely omission of truths are here somewhere.
It's a complete 180 circumstance. Another r/rpghorrorstory storyteller here on UA-cam already covered the story, and the other members of the party were in the comments explaining the situation, such as the fighter was a human, not a kalashtar... And that their character was on the spectrum and having a reaction in the moment op suggested they could try to fix them. I attempted to try to find which channel the conversation was, but was unsuccessful in finding it. Might try again though
This sounds more like they dislike having someone they don't know playing with them.
The comstant interruptions and wording might be more on you but they should jave told you sooner that it bothered them to thou degree and some of them were things they blew up more then needed.
The notable world details should have been told to you before character creations
Three possibilities come to mind:
1. The culture of the table was drastic different than what the player was used to.
2. The player was not aware of some parts of their behavior, possibly due to neurodivergence (speaking from personal experience on this one).
3. The something about the way the player acted in the first session rubbed someone so wrong they were incapable of letting it go.
The first two can easily be amended with communication and awareness.
The third one can be amended with those same tools, but it’s not going to be easy.
Based on the DM's message to OP at the end, I think OP left out a few important details.
This sounds like a case of "We're going to go full-blast on our own chemistry. If you fit, great! If you don't, we can just as easily push you out."
The Bard and Barbarian seemed reasonable, but the Fighter and Sorcerer sounded like they either rule the table, or at least just rule the DM.
Nothing I heard sounded like the DM was being harassed or persecuted for his job. From the sound of it, the player sounds like he tries to separate in- and out of- character well enough that the rudeness of the character should've been understood purely as in-character. If the player is this sensitive to backlash, it would've--and probably had--shown at the table enough to be noticed. This is where the wiggle room for the DM's side of the story to be right is: defending one's actions can come across as trying to pick a fight, and we didn't hear any of what was said at the time, only the inner monologue.
Gut feeling for me is "Poor communication, bad DM, and a two-man clique make for a very narrow tightrope and a lot of walking on eggshells at the start", which is rough for anyone.
This is a story another D&D content creator covered, I can't currently remember if it was critcrab or den of the drake. Either way, each other member of the party and the dm was in the comments declaring that the op decidedly 'forgot' many incriminating details that explain why they were eventually removed.
Such as even the little detail that the fighter was human, and not kalashtar
I actually watched this story read on another channel in which the original people from the story commented their experiences with OP. From the story and the other player's their version, it was very clear to me that quite both parties were at fault. The OP was inconsiderate and left out A LOT in this story about his shitty behavior, the party members were unforgiving from the start, acted petty and aggressive for the smallest things. But the biggest flaw, the DM. The DM did not step up to have them sit down and talk things out at ANY point, he just complained, took the side of his close friends and ditched the other dude. That's not how you DM. You have to be able to talk things out. He was also very impatient which fed into the frustration of players around him as his annoyances will quickly become the players annoyance's. Honestly this entire group was dysfunctional and immature. I sincerely hope they learned from this experience and next time actually try to talk things out and communicate. Especially when welcoming someone new into the group. Some people play different or haven't always played with all the rules like others, some have flaws in one person's eyes that weren't an issue in their previous campaigns. It's so important to address this kinda stuff together. Not go behind a person's back and decide it's best they leave. Don't make them feel like shit in the middle of session and just leave it at that. God, it frustrates me to no end.
Judging by the speed of the parties "offense" and by what "triggered" them, I think this goes deeper than them just being jerks. It sounds like the group didn't want a 5th player despite the DM stating that he did want one. It also sounds like the sorcerer might have had a thing for the prior player despite being with the fighter. Just some observations based on described behaviors.
In my campaign, if you mention a vintage wine or foodstuff, any little world texture like that instantly becomes canon. I think they may have been too hard on that person, but they may also want to make sure they are not taking on other people's turns, especially if they are playing online. Even little jokes and quips and be really frustrating if the DM is describing something and they are cut off, or a PC is taking their turn and has to wait for someone else to finish talking.
If you take a scroll in the reddit comment section you’ll fine someone claiming to be one of the players from their game shedding a very different light on the story. I mean you can’t be 100% sure it’s legit but OP even replied to them so hopefully they talked things out. If it’s true though the comment does change things a fair bit as OP would have been leaving out a great deal that imo would have been useful to know if they wanted some genuine feedback. *Shrug*
In what I've heard so far, it's pretty clear that the party wants to have a conflict with him. I'm a little over halfway through, and the toxic situation he went through is just too much to keep listening to.
He tried twice to extend an olive branch, and both times the Sorcerer responded with "Fuck you!"
I feel that this likely occurred due to a communication issue somewhere, though less then half way through my thought was that OP was in fact not suited to that particular group. All else aside, the way he described his and the other players and the characters… I just felt that perhaps the group was either very picky or there was just too much frivolous behaviour from OP character that the others just didn’t want to engage in it. I agree with an earlier comment, that there is likely more too this, there always more but I feel there was a certain lack of patience also from the group towards OP.
The sorcerer and the fighter were definitely looking for a reason to get this guy booted from session one.
Unless the OP is omitting or altering a lot of things, then it is very clear that this group is clearly in the wrong. Asking a question in character about another character, especially one as mundane as why they don't talk much, should be a character moment that helps the players further bond and understand each other, not a reason to hate their existence no matter what they might do in the future. The DM especially seemed overly controlling, not being ok with the OP lying about a sculptor and a winery that may or may not exist just because it might interfere with his precious homebrew world. I have been a DM as well and created my own homebrew world, so I know that a world with any sort of life to it would be perfectly fine adding in something as minor as a winery or a sculptor. The level of snowflake you have to achieve to refuse any sort of apology from someone due to them just asking an obvious question is astounding, and makes it clear that their minds were so twisted that they just thought every time the OP approached them was just an attempt to patronize them. I mean seriously, they walked up to the Sorcerer and the Fighter trying to strike up conversation and try to finally get along with them. Their response of telling him to fuck off, then the Fighter offering to teach him sign language and proceeding to punch him repeatedly, which led to OP getting kicked out of the group because they got beat up on was completely uncalled for. The fact that the Fighter offered to spend time with them to teach them sign language just to get them to drop their guard and make the beating painful emotionally and physically shows that they're a prick of the highest order who got eternally mad at OP for asking one wrong question. Even if the reason for their silence is some horribly traumatic backstory filled with edge and violence, that doesn't give them the right to beat up anyone who asks about it, especially when they try to apologize for their unintended insult multiple times.
Honestly, sounds to me like the whole group is a bunch of wangrods. Especially Fighter and Sorcerer, and kinda the DM too. You don't get snippy over inconsequential things like "Such and such sculptor" or "Such and such wine brand" you just roll with em because, as I said, inconsequential. Now had he tried to say said Sculptor was super famous and lived in the town they were in and yada yada yada then sure, that's a few too many steps. But a literal throw away line? Yeah, I'm leaning towards there's a major reason why their previous party member left.
honestly, the group came off as hostile from the word go. You get materials for raise spells, and tell the healer to bugger off and basically throw them away? And I don't think anyone IN the party explained why the Fighter seemed to be a mute, but since people aren't mind readers....well I mean he could have had mind reading magic, but it's rude to do so without consent. Anyways my point is If there is a reason your character doesn't speak, explain that and people will roll with it. The whole "I'll teach him sign language" and then attacking is just a dick move, and personally if I were the Cleric I'd have fought back, and gladly kicked his ass. (cuz Clerics can be fucking scary, trust me I've played it.)
So based off OP's side of the story, yeah he's not much of a dick. But I'd genuinely like to hear it from the rest of the part's side. Still, I'm inclined to think it's not inaccurate.
I've heard of this story before, there's more said by the other players.
TLDR; The story writer is full of it.
They left out TONS of times they were boasting knowledge/skill, talking over people, being hostile to the DM, and more. All the other players responded to that post the same way, "Huh, ain't that convenient that you made yourself sound like the victim and us the jerks when in reality it was the other way around.".
I don't see any of the red flags I expect to see on OP's side for stories like this.
1. OP worked with the DM to create a character and backstory
2. Didn't try to power build (beyond playing a cleric lol) or do some crazy multiclass
3. Consistently tried to engage party members in RP, even the sorcerer who hates him
The party/DM though:
1. DM doesn't give any world lore besides the basic party location
2. Party jump him on the spot because he asked if something was up with another party member
3. DM attacks OP for coming up with inconsequential lore (a wine brand and a sculptor are not "major worldbuilding" aspects)
4. DM trivializes divine intervention so that it does basically nothing
5. The group (especially the sorcerer and fighter) never explain why they hate OP's character so much
Unless OP is leaving out something major it sounds like there's very little fault on OP, if any.
This is one of those stories where you hope the sorcerer saw it on Reddit and responded in the comments.
I'm in a current DnD group where the rest of the party is from the future. I joined mid campaign and from the start I warn the DM that I can be a that guy at times and to let me know if I'm out of line at any point. He seemed to like my bit of ass pulling when it came to commoner npcs as my character was one from the time period and 2 from the kingdom naturally I played it as a character that was from and lived there. I played a blue tomboy tiefling named Cassandra who was taken in as a child by the local blacksmith and his daughter. She views the Smith as her uncle and his daughter as a sister and calls them such. The party did quite a few things to bring chaos to Cassandras peaceful life as the sessions go on the party and I have a few disagreements on how to do things but since they are giving her what she believes to 1 be a chance to make a better future for her homeland and it's people and 2 a shot at everyone that's making her life difficult. I should mention that the kingdom has banded magic out side of paladin clerics and the court wizard. As the sessions go and we are now making a full on rebellion some fun hijinks happens in between there and then I'm happy that the DM keeps saying he likes how I'm playing my character even though it sometimes conflicts with the party I'm up front as to why I'm doing things. The DM likes the facts I'm playing her like a normal person in what I describe as a party of monsters well mostly 2 witch are the 2 guys that let me in the group they got really high stats and some crazy abilities but are pretty cool dudes
Obviously any judgements of this story can only come assuming the information given is actually accurate, and not manipulated for making oneself look good, but...
Far as I can tell, the 'problem player' in that setting sounds like the lock and fighter. Can't take fantasy, can't open up and understand if things were taken wrong rather than just jump to conclusions. Openly hostile, when even the rest sound like they at least tried to play level with OP, even if the group would have still decided to have them removed. Not to mention no signs of any effort on anyone in the group to actually set things straight, or address the issue in any way, after the session and before kicking OP from the group.
Basically, if OP is being honest about this story, they didn't really do anything wrong.
by your logic, any D&D story could be made up so to everyone take all of these stories with a grain of salt, okay? :)
@@RustyhairedAlp9575 Naturally. Though, seen similar situations play out, so it's at least plausable. but any story online has to be taken with a grain of salt, as the internet is full of liars. At least until more substance comes up to support or challenge it's accuracy.
that's why my judgements are prefaced on assuming the tale is true and accurate, as any opinion of the situation is subject to change dramatically if more information comes forward to challenge how the events are presented.
@@fearmusrozenrot1864 Apparently, according to some other comments, this story has been on other d&d narration channels & apparently, the OP was lying & was being mean to the other players so they kicked OP out. You could try fact checking, I guess. If it were true, then yeah, the party is at fault, but it seems to me that it isn't
@@RustyhairedAlp9575 Well, that's why I prefaced it on assuming it were true. that said, I rarely take much time checking random stories on youtube. I follow like 4 different Reddit reading channels, I don't have the time in a day to check every story. Didn't think to check this one, 'cause this isn't even an unbelievable story. Maybe a little screwy, but not entirely improbable it would happen.
that said, they 'were being mean' isn't real specific. I've been accused of being mean because I can be a bit loud, and scatterbrained, so unless you have a link that explains how they were being mean, or what they did...The claimed retort does not require the original story to be false at all. I'd need more specifics to say OP was necessarily in the wrong. Just means there's claims that imply it's not as black and white as presented...which is pretty normal for these kinds of stories.
It sounds like we're not hearing the whole story. In the DM's kicking message, he said that OP constantly contradicted DM's rulings. We saw literally no instances of this in OP's story. There are two things that are kind of close. 1. We see OP mentioning things about the world that the DM likely didn't think of, and 2. OP mention that awakened rabbits shouldn't walk on two legs and gesticulate, but OP went on to say, "Oh well, that's probably just DM's flavor text."
this is DM incompetence. not too long ago i too had a problem with my newest player, due to vague complains about rulings that they would never go into details of. you know how you react to that? you talk about it. i mentioned it was harming my fun, that i'm willing to listen if you think a ruling is unfair or wrong, but that i can't deal with "well that just makes no sense but oh well". we found part of the root of the problem: a mistake i had made in the past that diminished their fun and i admitted fault. since that chat everything has been so much better. if i think i notice conflict in the group i'll check with everyone if everything is fine because if it isn't i can put in the afford to make things run better. if there's a problem you solve it, you don't just kick the player out.
So got some context from a different site.
The Sorceress is a goal shifter, and none of her nonsense meshes with what the Fighter (the other part of the main problem duo) said. Comes across like she's trying to justify being an 455.
The Fighter, from what they said. The problem laid down to a lack of communication from both sides, and the Fighter having problems IRL that they carried over into the game.
Both sides after the story ended up on the internet, talked it out finally and smoothed things over. But yeah, the Sorceress is just the worst, and both sides really needed to work on their communication in-game / out of it.
Oh yeah. This showed up on another channel some time back. Artificial DM I think? Some of the others in the group commented, and apparently this guy's leaving out a lot of very important information.
Attacking the healer? I have a feeling they didn't make to far after that
This sounds insanely weird. Then again it feels a bit like how one of my campaigns went where I was in a relatively similar situation. The bigger problem there was that outside of the actual sessions NO ONE wanted to talk openly in the server, and when sessions did come around when I tried to ask stuff it always ended up upsetting them without me ever being told the reason why. And when I would ask I would end up being similarly blamed for things. Things that as a newcomer I would not have any idea about.
Jesus that group can all have their dice melted. Like wtf? XD
Poor OP.
OP of this story sounds like my mom, not in a bad way, but it made me realize that I didn't treat my mother with the respect she deserves, neither in character nor out of character.
IMO, OP isn't the problem, but it isn't the groups fault, either. There's so much going on with other people that we often don't realize, so maybe they all just had some stuff IRL or it was just their characters (I often play characters that are pretty unforgiving)
It sounds like this guy is mostly fine. Maybe this is just the groups I've been in, but we're generally encouraged to make stuff up from our home towns unless they're a well established town in the world.
Locate creature while fighting something invisible is a good thing, because.. At least in other editions, not sure about 5th... You had to either know, or guess what square they were standing in to even have a chance of hitting them with anything, and there were still penalties. So, knowing the square makes it a lot easier.
The only part I have any problem with at all in regard to his behavior, was how he handled the mute fighter/barbarian initially. I'm mute irl, and having someone ask somebody else about me when I'm right there is really irritating. I have a text to speech app specifically so I can talk to people who don't know sign, so they have no reason to ask somebody else.
If this OP is being completely and utterly honest, then I say it was a combination of miscommunication and a bit of not wanting a new player.
The group not wanting to talk to him or include him put in a position where he was just saying stuff to talk, I also do that if I'm nervous and feel like I'm not being received well. This over talking about his character may have made the group think he was bragging instead of trying to strike up conversation. But, the fighter and sorcerer probably didn't help these matters as they just seemed to dislike OP from the beginning and were violent towards the end in a pretty mundane situation. Combine their dislike of OP with a party that's been together for who knows how long and group mentality, it's not surprising it was a toxic situation.
I have a feeling that we're not getting the full story. I'm not saying the guy is being more biased than he claims he is, but it could be that he isn't very aware of his actions or the way he comes off. Even so, aside from the world building thing, nobody seemed to be willing to discuss their problems with him until after they decided to kick him from the party.
It's a given that we weren't there and are only hearing one side. That said, I would suggest that there are some people who are triggered by tone of voice or diction. If you spoke in a way that triggers memories of someone who displayed certain behavior patterns, the reflex can be to project those behaviors upon you. It has been my experience that whatever judgments people make of you in the first few seconds of knowing you can be near impossible to shake no matter what you subsequently do. (I refer you to the book "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell)
I'm only at 6:02 and I can already tell OP that the group is in the wrong and the only error they made was joining a group that decided to gate keep against the newcommer.
The other two players seemed to be making an effort, but the Barb and Sorcerer are totally in the wrong. They were totally offended by one miscommunication that OP tried to fix, and never gave him a chance. And let's not forget the DM taking everything he said as bragging. Players often express excitement about their abilities, especially when others' abilities compliment their own. Unless OP actually made some truly offensive statements that they didn't include (which doesn't seem to be the case) they're totally the victim here.
Given how the information is laid out by the OP, I hate to say it, but the real problem in all of this was the DM. Red flags: 1) A homebrew campaign that has been going on for a year but the DM doesn't give the new player any information on the lore. 2) DM then takes issue when player tries to role play and add lore to the campaign. 3) Conflict as a result of a misunderstanding between the new player and party was allowed to escalate. Now there are things the OP and party members may have done that didn't get mentioned to cause things to have gone bad but as the OP told their story it seems as if the DM was doing more to deepen the rift between the OP and the party than to resolve it.. Of course this was only half of the story like the OP said so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Bottom line: Make sure that you as a player have the information you need going into a campaign; if it is denied to you, that is a clear sign to be on the lookout for trouble.
That party was absolutely jerks. I would love to play some dnd someday but with ppl like you.
Sounds like the group problem not a player problem
2 sessions before scheduling issues?!?! Lol that is a great run. Some campaign will have. 3 new line ups by that time 😆
Sounds like a sore lack of communication of expectations. That said... This story reads kinda sketch. It feels like a puzzle missing pieces. Not to disparage the OP, just feels like a lot of info missing. That is just a gut reaction though.
Oh my god, imagine being mad because one of your players improvs about sculptors and wineries-dude, I _wish_ my players would
Reward with a bit of bonus xp when they do. That may work.
Sounds like the party was purposely rejecting him from the beginning for some reason or another, and it seems like they might be overly sensitive sometimes. Now, no full context, so his attempts at approaching the party could've been seen as too pushy or something in those lines, or he simply didn't fit well with the other players who didn't get to know him, but I don't think this warrants that reply from the DM. Maybe he or his character were too outspoken in a group with more quiet players and it changed the dynamics. Might've been something he said that offended someone, or that he inadvertently touched a sensitive topic and from that point on the other players didn't make any effort. Seems like either the group didn't want to give a chance to other players, or it's a terrible group where you have to step on eggshells and police yourself all the time, or it's a group used to a specific dynamic and he disrupted it when he didn't mesh from the beginning. Hopefully, it's just incompatibility problems, really.
hopefully.
My Personal group has been playing in the same campaign world for 20 years. Each of us has spent hours upon hours of blood and sweat and tears building each country, culture etc and each civilization has major characters who were real PCs from a previous campaign.
If a new guy showed up trying to rewrite the world lore it would trouble at least a few of us. Like saying a particular brand of wine was considered the best, "well Hanks character from our fourth campaign spent session after session building a world spanning merchant fleet and vintner and is now considered the best wine in the world by many and you're going to just improv that accomplishment away?"
Still the person most at fault here is the DM. If I had a guy trying to rewrite our lore I'd recognize that as someone being interested in the lore and trying to build on it and I'd feed that by providing him with pertinent information between sessions he can study to bring up in conversation later getting our shy players to open up about their past accomplishments.
Next I'd ask the player if he was ok being considered a bullshitter, if so then I'd just retcon anything he said that was incorrect as his character being a bser. If he wasn't then I'd ask him to speak on things he knows for sure or roll a history/lore check to see if he knows a thing before opening his mouth, I'd give him the cliff notes and let him spin it the way he wanted.
The only thing OP should focus on is remembering campaigns take a ton of work to make work right and lore jive with all the other working pieces. Don't expect to walk into a pre established group and start changing everything. Tread carefully until you get a lay of the land.
Sounds like he wanted to work from a blank sheet failing to recognize tons of people had already put their stamp down before he got there. A minor issue at worst really and certainly not worth a kick UNLESS he was obstinate when the DM corrected him.