Professor Xavier had a twin brother. But before they were born his mind was so strong that he kinda absorbed his twin leaving him in a coma. So right before Jean killed him he transferred his mind into his brother's body. Supposedly. Also this is my favorite xmen movie.
How did he transfer to his brothers body when he absorbed him in the womb? What? Lol. I was under the impression he just transfered his mind to some random comatose person.
Haha Not Seb saying "What a beast" to the mutant literally named Beast. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I swear it's like Seb is clairvoyant or sumn. Edit: but like for real Seb though of the plastic weapons too. You sure you didn't watch this before Seb??
i love when magneto makes exact comparisons between the holocaust and the hunt for mutants “no one ever talks about [extermination]. they just do it.”. hits so hard
Just warning you, Seb - the continuity can get kinda mixed up in subsequent films, as how certain things happened and when become inconsistent. Don't expect the same level of adherence to continuity that the MCU has. Though they try to clean up some of the inconsistencies in X-Men: Days Of Future Past, there are still details that don't quite add up. It's best not to get too hung up on them from movie to movie.
There’s not really continuity issues because the revised timeline is completely separate to the original, meaning the prequel movies have their own timeline and don’t have to completely align with the first trilogy.
@@darkphoenx3930 Considering your username you should know that your statement does not add up as we see the "revised" Jean unleash the Phoenix Force against Apocalypse and she only later meets up with the Force in the next movie. I know the comics did do a similar thing with them being retconned to have mentally contacted long before they physically met but Dark Phoenix should have picked up on this conundrum.
@@michaelklaus no my statement does add up. Regardless of whether Jean hosts the Phoenix or not, I stated that the two timelines are completely separate, which they are. There may be similarities between the two timelines but they are two different time branches, so have little need to be 100% tided down by the OG trilogy Also, the Phoenix Force used to be an amorphous entity with no shape. It took on the raptor form later on. Jeans powers have previously manifested as a Phoenix raptor on the Astral Plane (with Prof X). There are many different storylines that point towards Jean either being born with a fragment of the Phoenix force inside her, to Jean being able to tap into the cosmic force from a distance (like in the comics). It’s not that crazy to think this was applied in Apocalypse, and that either Jean is 1. Born with a part of the Phoenix force inside her. 2. Is able to tap into the Phoenix Force or 3. The Phoenix Raptor is the shape that Jeans powers manifest, and the Cosmic entity only takes on this form once it’s interacted with Jean (which is hinted at in Dark Phoenix)
I didn't read much comic or watch all animation the first 2 they changed alot of the original storyline but they still enjoyable on the thier own but I felt my brain was insulted with this at 13 years old I left the theater with my friend who couldn't take the nonsense. from changing the comic entirely they changing characters and powers aside from all that it doesn't make a sense as a kid I didn't get any of it am not gonna list the horrible flaws in this movie am sure hundreds of people did before me. One thing I must say I do stand with comic readers these characters meant alot to alot of people seeing them like this just painful, disrespectful and Holywood at it's lowest point.
@@hayderneamah1323 I know what you mean but calling this the lowest point of hollywood is just wrong. There's plenty of worse movies. At least this is an entertaining movie on a surface level
@@becauseimbatman1391 this movie despite its flaws brought a lot of good things to the table: Kelsey Grammer as Beast, some more screentime for Iceman & Colossus, Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are great as always, etc etc etc.
It’s not bad nor the worst of the franchise and it has some good parts (that tragic scene with Angel in the bathroom , Kelsey Grammer’s Hank McCoy, Logan and Rogue’s scene before she leaves). It just felt like there was a noticeable dip in quality and it was trying to do way too much with too many characters and their subplots. As a result it felt like a let down especially as an adaptation of The Dark Phoenix Saga, one of the most important X-Men storylines
@Dayspring nah I cannot agree. Although it had so many things wrong with it, we know there was outside interference with the way the FOX merger was happening, part 2 being written off and the entire third act changed. Regardless of that, the Hans Zimmer score was amazing, I liked the VFX, and the space and train scene were great. It was never meant to be a huge summer blockbuster, competing with other huge hits, it was intended as a small autumn movie telling an origin story in parts. It’s just a shame how it ended up in the end. However (after much waffling) the title of worst x-men movie has to go to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and then New Mutants. Nothing is worse than those two
This movie was pretty decent actually but def could have been better if they just focused on the Cure storyline, and have the Phoenix saga in the following trilogy. As a result, both plotlines suffered from being crammed into a single movie.
Many people hated this movie because they butchered the Phoenix Saga. But as usual for this time, the female characters' stories and powers (as you mentioned with Storm, also) were diminished to undervalued plot points.
Yeah. The X-Men are known to have most of Marvel's most popular female superheroes. Storm, Rogue, Jean, Kitty, Psylocke, Emma Frost, Jubilee, and many more. Fox made the mistake of diminishing their roles in favor of Wolverine / Professor X / Magneto. Even after the reset of this franchise, with First Class, Fox leaned into the Charles and Erik dynamic. They bring back Mystique, completely recharacterized (she's a premier villain in the comics most of the time, not to be messed with) to accommodate Jennifer Lawrence's likeability. Jennifer's a great actress and could have benefitted from playing a scheming villain, in my opinion, rather than some wishy washy conflicted hero, unable to decide between Charles or Erik's philosophy. Hopefully now that Disney has the franchise, they'll elevate the ladies. Storm was so popular at one point, when Marvel and DC did a crossover event, pitting hero against hero, and Ororo took out Wonder Woman in her issue (they were giving the fans what they wanted). Storm lead the X-Men during their heyday and no one had a problem with it, even Cyclops fans, because the transition of leadership was so well handled. Halle Berry had almost nothing to work with because you know the men writing the film were only interested in writing about the guys, and resorted to sticking the women in love triangles (Jean, Rogue, Kitty, and Mystique are all in a dumb triangle).
It’s definitely one of the weakest to me but I do think it gets too much hate. The first half was as strong as the others and the second half was fun with the fight scenes. I think it just suffered the standard third movie fate of trying to cram too many storylines in making them all feel rushed and weak.
Loved this movie as a kid, I was so shocked at Xavier’s death, I wanted Jean’s rich red hair, I love how badass she is, I like Mystique a lot and was bummed when she was “cured”, I love Erik and Charles’ polarized friendship, I liked how Logan chose to kill Jean despite his personal feelings, it showed a strength of his character not just his muscles - there’s a lot to love in this movie idc lol
I do like this movie, despite its flaws. The biggest thing that I can't excuse though is how badly they handled Phoenix. Not only was she a side plot but not utilizing her at all during the final battle. Not to mention the massive nerf that she had, going from one of the most powerful mutants possessed by a near god like cosmic entity, to a kinda strong mutant with a split personality...meh.
I wish they kept the scene where Phoenix rearranges matter and changes a cup into a pulsing "star". Way better than moving some needles. Still not as good as comic Phoenix but definitely better than what we got
You need to watch First Class then Days of Future Past next since those are prequels to the OG trilogy, and those movies are exponentially better than The Last Stand. They also are really important to the storyline
they nerfed the hell out of Bobby in the movies too. Iceman was insanely strong in the comics. He's still pretty awesome in the movies but nothing compared to the comics. hoping maybe we get to see him in the MCU.
FINALLY! I was checking for new marvel video... I know a lot of ppl don't like it, but I like this cuz it reminds me of Xmen Evolution that I used to watch when I was a kid. Also I just love Jean. ❤
People are too generous with saying people are perfectly cast a comic book characters these days For me what makes a person accurate is not just looking and acting like the character but also being the only choice at the time And for me Kelsey Grammer and Patrick Stewart are perfectly cast in there roles (I just wish they made Beast’s body larger and more ape-like but still using the practical effects on his face)
Storm is one of my favourite characters from the X-men films - I definitely hope we get to see her in the MCU. I would even love for her to get her own movie or Disney+ show tbh. I've heard that she has a super interesting comic backstory: - she was worshipped as a Goddess - she's descended from a long line of African witch-priestesses - she married T'Challa/ Black Panther, thus has strong ties to Wakanda, etc.
the simulation they was doing is called the danger room and a stable for x-men. Wanda’s actual magneto daughter. After you finish watching all these you have to tell us who you like better: avengers or x-men
Nightcrawler is my favorite character. Him and wolverine. But beast is not his father lol, his father was in first class, red guy. Can't spell his name. Edit: Azazel
´´The Last Stand, it is said that Charles Xavier put his consciousness inside his bother who had been hospitalized for a long time. So after being vaporized by the Phoenix, he was able to transfer that conscious´´
Storm(my all time fav from comics, cartoons n these movies) is ALWAYS under appreciated, underused n underrated!! She’s omega in the comics, n has been a goddess, where when people pray to her she gains more power(can’t remember the term) But I do understand it’s hard (ish) to integrate powerhouses!!
People seem to dislike this flick but I enjoy it a lot. I think the only misfire is you turn Jean into Dark Phoenix but don't use the Phoenix effect around her even for a few moments? Ack! Word of warning: X-Men Origins: Wolverine is awful, but please don't let it stop you from continuing as they get much better again after that.
These films I think really did Storm dirty. She is much more powerful than they have her credit for and as a black female superhero I hope Marvel really invest in her in the next phase of movies
I hope Marvel does her justice. In the books, she used to be one of Marvel's most popular heroes, only to be a background character in the films. I'm not sure why Fox decided to make Professor X a main character, rather than the behind-the-scenes mentor he usually is in the books. Why they felt the need to include Magneto every time out also puzzles me? It'd be like having Lex Luthor in all the Superman films, or the Joker in all the Batman films. They struck gold with casting McKellen and Fassbender in the role and played to the actor's popularity rather than staying true to the character. But yeah, popular heroes like Storm and Rogue were downplayed and Wolverine / Professor X / Magneto amped, to the detriment of the series. Jean was just a love-interest for Wolverine.
That move where Colossus throws Wolverine is known as the "Fastball Special" in the comics :D Warren Worthington III is known as Angel in the comics, and he was actually one of the founding members of the X-Men there. I love that they had Multiple Man in this too, such a clever use for him in decoying Magneto's camp lol The boy is called Leech, and he unconsciously projects an energy field around himself that disables the mutant X-gene in others. THAT big robot head Wolverine sliced off in the Danger Room at the beginning is a Sentinel; a mutant-hunting robot developed by anti-mutant elements in the government that can adapt to the powers used against them. They were very nearly unstoppable in the comics. In the comics the Phoenix Force is a cosmic entity that represents the destruction and rebirth of the entire Universe, and has the power to do so. The Phoenix joined with Jean Grey after it felt her mind transcend the physical realm and felt a kinship with her. This film came out during a time when "coming out" was one of those very contentious occurrences among those lesser evolved humans who think being LGBT is a 'sin' or whatever, so the allegory between the "Cure" and the Mutants was very fitting for the time. There's nothing TO cure, as Storm so perfectly puts it. There's nothing wrong with you.
Yeah in order it was definitely X2, Last Stand then X1. I love this movie thought, it was the first movie I ever watched in the theater by my self just because I wanted to see it so badly.
I’m by no means an expert in X-Men but, as I understand it, Magneto / Eric doesn’t need metal on him to control it. He doesn’t need ‘metal in his shoes’ to fly. He himself can harness the magnetism of the Earth / material around him. I guess the bridge itself may be the force he’s harnessing to levitate in that scene?
Movie Jean grey was the Scarlet Witch before she was the Scarlet Witch in the MCU🤭 Honestly Jean and Wanda threatens the Multiverse with Wanda's Chaos Magic from the Demon kathaan and Jean's enhance abilities from the Phoenix Force, those 2 duos are a problem if they worked together.
Your confusion at the beginning with Charles walking....yeah. Welcome to the club. I enjoyed the og Xmen movies. My only problem with them was the inconsistencies. Ironically, they were consistent. They tried to fix them with Days of Future's Past, but then the new ones came around and, well..... 🙄! *sigh* I was so glad that they finally gave Storm some fight scene. In the comics, she is a badass warrior who can own a fight. I was shook when Scott was killed off.
Juggernaut is done wrong in this movie. He isn’t even a mutant in the comics. He is Xavier’s step brother. His powers are magical. The only way to stop him is to get his helmet off and attack his mind with psychic attacks
This film was such a huge problem to complete. Schedule conflicts (Anna Paquin had like only 5 days to film so her role was dramatically reduced…. James Marsden committed to Superman Return so his role was cut super short), director Bryan Singer left & took original screenwriters, the composer, and star James Marsden with for Superman Returns (later Bryan was accused of sexual misconduct) so new director had to come in to finish the troubled movie. On the whole it was an ok movie considering. Filmed in Vancouver too. ♥️ Omg you mentioned & referenced HP again 😒. Apart from that good to see you reacting to this our Sokka 😃
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer But for the 3rd movie, he decided to step in as the main producer That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
" just so he could sell more toys" Yeah, thats been a thing for a very long time. The GI Joe tv show was made to sell toys. Same with shittons of other tv shows back in the day. Literally 30 minutes toy commercials for kids.
@@Petrixxxxxxx but with Arad is way worse It was because of him that TASM3 and Fantastic Four 3 were never made And not to mention the current situation of Sony's cinematic universe
Watch The Wolverine next since it takes place immediately after this movie. Then I’d watch First Class, then Days of Future Past, then Apocalypse, then Dark Phoenix then Logan
X-Men movies get all over the place in the timeline after this but, to be fair, they're mostly quite good. And I include them all up to New Mutants. Yeah... I would love you to watch all of them over Moon Knight tbh, but you do you babes.
22:56 "she blasted his shirt off but not the trousers, she could have helped us out a bit more" lol I'm sure there's naked pics of Hugh online if you need to. :)
You'll have to watch the entire X-Men/Wolverine series, but that technically includes also Deadpool too, they changed a lot of the females powers from the comics (less powerful), Wolverine became his own character & stole the show, seeing as he's the only one who got spin off movies. Russell Crowe was asked to play Wolverine originally, but turned it down because he didn't want to get typecast as 'Wolvie' (Gladiator & Wolverine) as he called it.
I tried for so many years post 2006 to like this but the dull dialogue, writing and narration and the bad editing along with the change in director and score didn’t work for me; X-men wise the great films for me are Logan,The Wolverine, X2, XM DOFP, the Deadpool Series, and parts of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are my faves. I like Dark P more than TLS, score and visuals wise it’s more toned down Dark Phoenix Saga. For me it’s not a comic book issue per say against TLS, just the more movie related elements and the drastic changes in tone and style from X1/X2 to this. TLS was hastily rushed due to Dir. B Singer stepping down to do Superman Returns, the Fox studio pushed for a sequel that he (Singer) would have made if they had waited a year. Singer’s best is XM DOFP.
I think film gets such a bad rap because it followed the excellent X2. It's definitely a step down in quality, especially because the franchise was seemingly about to take off. The worst part about it was a dialogue and plot. They could've taken their time to introduce the Dark Phoenix Saga instead of trying to cram it into one film. The writers really leaned into making a Magneto a mustache-twirling villain, including him abandoning Mystique at the drop of a hat, which seemed out of character. So I guess subtract a great Mystique and introduce lame speedster-girl, thunderclap-girl, and undercooked Juggernaut. Kitty even draws attention to him by calling him a "d* head" and the audience can only nod their heads. And, due to Wolverine's popularity, the story focused too much on him, having him replace Cycolp's role as Jean's knight in shining armor. Meanwhile, Magneto was more of a menace than Jean, and he wasn't even part of the original story. They writers just wanted Magneto's special effects. They also crammed too many characters into the film (Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, and way too many others) instead of focusing on a few and building upon them. Fox wanted that toy line to grow. It squandered all the good will earned by the first two films and killed the momentum of the franchise. Iron Man would soon come out and the Avengers would become the franchise everyone loves instead. Fox and Warner Brothers really know how squander their riches.
honestly I really like this movie even if it's the black sheep (or one of them lmao) in the x-men movie series. Despite having seen the first two spider-man movies, X3 was the first superhero movie that I watched that I really enjoyed. obvi this was before iron man and the dark knight made them much better in 2008
My only issue with the movie is that Juggernaut isn't a mutant. His power comes from an enchanted ruby in His helmet. So his being near the boy wouldn't have negated his powers.
Angel seems like a really cool character. I'm kinda surprised that he always seems to be pushed into a supporting role (i.e. in this film, X-Men: Apocalypse, X-Men: Evolution, Wolverine & the X-Men, etc), despite being a member of the First Class team of X-Men - I hope we get to see more of his character in the MCU. I would like to see a close bond between him & Storm like in Wolverine & the X-Men tbh, the fact that they can both fly feels like it could create a lot of fun scenes.
Rumor has it that Cyclops got killed early because Marvel is petty & angry at James Marsden for starring in Superman Returns. Imagine your better role got cut because of an insignificant role in another movie. I guess it's X-Men Origins: Wolverine next? I hate the Wolverine trilogy, without the X-Men it felt like eating steak without any seasonings. Can't wait for the reboot era, if you watch Days of Future Past, pick the Rogue Cut. It's beefier.
This movie was FIRE when I watched it at CINEMA when it came... Then I had to wait for a very, very long time for the "new" MARVEL movies... So thanks for watching this. 🙂 YES, Logans story is in fact very tragic from beginning to end... Actually if you only follow Logan "Wolverine" - it is heartbreaking....
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I’m happy you enjoyed this movie Seb, but yeah me personally I’m not the biggest fan at all. The whole plot with Jean was just way too rushed, and Cyclops death was extremely disappointing. My biggest gripe with these movies personally is that they basically just became “Wolverine and friends” because of Wolverine being such a money draw. Don’t get me wrong, he IS my favorite of the X Men, but seeing him get all the focus was disappointing. The likes of Storm, Rogue, Iceman and so on are pretty underutilized imo. And don’t get me started on the Cyclops of these movies lol, my boy got disrespected so badly from his comics counterpart. My hope for the MCU X Men is that they really take their time with each individual character before having a teamup film. Something I’ve always said would be a good idea would be doing a Disney+ anthology series about the X Men. So you assemble whatever team of them you want (whether it be the original comics team, the 90s animated series team, or a mix of anything else). And then you dedicate one episode to each individual character, somehow leading it into the next with Professor X bringing them to his school. That way each character gets some time to be fleshed out, and then when they do the X Men movie, they can focus on the plot, the characters relationships with one another and so on
If comic fans tend to feel let down by "X-Men: The last Stand", general audiences mostly enjoy it as a solid trilogy capper. Like you they might feel it's a little rushed, given everything it's trying to do, but that it mostly does it's job effectively enough. Note: It would be nearly a decade, in real time, before the series picked up its characters (save for Wolverine) at a point AFTER "The Last Stand", and what mattered by that stage, following a failed spin-off, which all but killed the franchise, and a successful (soft)reboot/prequel, which got the series back up on its feet, if still a little uncertainly, was telling the next story as well as possible, not shoring up the previous one. All of which is to say; that it's enough to know going forward, that the cure is only temporary, and Xavier lives. Let me also suggest again - though I'm sure you've already ignored my unsolicited advice - that "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" is best ignored, or viewed as apocrypha, following the rest of the series. Watch "The Wolverine" next to get the best experience.
Professor Xavier had a twin brother. But before they were born his mind was so strong that he kinda absorbed his twin leaving him in a coma. So right before Jean killed him he transferred his mind into his brother's body. Supposedly. Also this is my favorite xmen movie.
How did he transfer to his brothers body when he absorbed him in the womb? What? Lol.
I was under the impression he just transfered his mind to some random comatose person.
@@aaronsandman749 He absorbed his brother's mind not his body.
@@Georgia7Pap OH. I thought you meant like in real life when a twin is absorbed. That makes a little more sense.
Isn’t Juggernaut his brother in the comics
@@tmac731 stepbrother if I’m not wrong
Haha Not Seb saying "What a beast" to the mutant literally named Beast. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I swear it's like Seb is clairvoyant or sumn.
Edit: but like for real Seb though of the plastic weapons too. You sure you didn't watch this before Seb??
i was looking through the comments trying to see if anyone else caught that 😭 lmfaooo
Do people really believe that this guy never watched any movies? I don't believe this a bit.
i love when magneto makes exact comparisons between the holocaust and the hunt for mutants “no one ever talks about [extermination]. they just do it.”. hits so hard
Just warning you, Seb - the continuity can get kinda mixed up in subsequent films, as how certain things happened and when become inconsistent. Don't expect the same level of adherence to continuity that the MCU has. Though they try to clean up some of the inconsistencies in X-Men: Days Of Future Past, there are still details that don't quite add up. It's best not to get too hung up on them from movie to movie.
There’s not really continuity issues because the revised timeline is completely separate to the original, meaning the prequel movies have their own timeline and don’t have to completely align with the first trilogy.
@@darkphoenx3930 Considering your username you should know that your statement does not add up as we see the "revised" Jean unleash the Phoenix Force against Apocalypse and she only later meets up with the Force in the next movie.
I know the comics did do a similar thing with them being retconned to have mentally contacted long before they physically met but Dark Phoenix should have picked up on this conundrum.
@@michaelklaus no my statement does add up. Regardless of whether Jean hosts the Phoenix or not, I stated that the two timelines are completely separate, which they are. There may be similarities between the two timelines but they are two different time branches, so have little need to be 100% tided down by the OG trilogy
Also, the Phoenix Force used to be an amorphous entity with no shape. It took on the raptor form later on.
Jeans powers have previously manifested as a Phoenix raptor on the Astral Plane (with Prof X). There are many different storylines that point towards Jean either being born with a fragment of the Phoenix force inside her, to Jean being able to tap into the cosmic force from a distance (like in the comics). It’s not that crazy to think this was applied in Apocalypse, and that either Jean is 1. Born with a part of the Phoenix force inside her. 2. Is able to tap into the Phoenix Force or 3. The Phoenix Raptor is the shape that Jeans powers manifest, and the Cosmic entity only takes on this form once it’s interacted with Jean (which is hinted at in Dark Phoenix)
This movie is pretty much only frustrating for comic readers. I never did, so I actually like it a lot
I didn't read much comic or watch all animation the first 2 they changed alot of the original storyline but they still enjoyable on the thier own but I felt my brain was insulted with this at 13 years old I left the theater with my friend who couldn't take the nonsense. from changing the comic entirely they changing characters and powers aside from all that it doesn't make a sense as a kid I didn't get any of it am not gonna list the horrible flaws in this movie am sure hundreds of people did before me. One thing I must say I do stand with comic readers these characters meant alot to alot of people seeing them like this just painful, disrespectful and Holywood at it's lowest point.
@@hayderneamah1323 I know what you mean but calling this the lowest point of hollywood is just wrong. There's plenty of worse movies. At least this is an entertaining movie on a surface level
@@becauseimbatman1391 this movie despite its flaws brought a lot of good things to the table: Kelsey Grammer as Beast, some more screentime for Iceman & Colossus, Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are great as always, etc etc etc.
@@becauseimbatman1391 Ok none of the X-men movies are faithful adaptations but this film really had genuine problems,
I didn't know people didn't like it until years later. I loved this movie
It’s not bad nor the worst of the franchise and it has some good parts (that tragic scene with Angel in the bathroom , Kelsey Grammer’s Hank McCoy, Logan and Rogue’s scene before she leaves). It just felt like there was a noticeable dip in quality and it was trying to do way too much with too many characters and their subplots. As a result it felt like a let down especially as an adaptation of The Dark Phoenix Saga, one of the most important X-Men storylines
@Dayspring nah I cannot agree. Although it had so many things wrong with it, we know there was outside interference with the way the FOX merger was happening, part 2 being written off and the entire third act changed. Regardless of that, the Hans Zimmer score was amazing, I liked the VFX, and the space and train scene were great. It was never meant to be a huge summer blockbuster, competing with other huge hits, it was intended as a small autumn movie telling an origin story in parts. It’s just a shame how it ended up in the end.
However (after much waffling) the title of worst x-men movie has to go to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and then New Mutants. Nothing is worse than those two
This movie was pretty decent actually but def could have been better if they just focused on the Cure storyline, and have the Phoenix saga in the following trilogy. As a result, both plotlines suffered from being crammed into a single movie.
I agree with you Suda Tayo,good points too.😇😇
Love the fact when you first saw beast you literally said "what a beast"
Many people hated this movie because they butchered the Phoenix Saga. But as usual for this time, the female characters' stories and powers (as you mentioned with Storm, also) were diminished to undervalued plot points.
Yeah. The X-Men are known to have most of Marvel's most popular female superheroes. Storm, Rogue, Jean, Kitty, Psylocke, Emma Frost, Jubilee, and many more. Fox made the mistake of diminishing their roles in favor of Wolverine / Professor X / Magneto. Even after the reset of this franchise, with First Class, Fox leaned into the Charles and Erik dynamic. They bring back Mystique, completely recharacterized (she's a premier villain in the comics most of the time, not to be messed with) to accommodate Jennifer Lawrence's likeability. Jennifer's a great actress and could have benefitted from playing a scheming villain, in my opinion, rather than some wishy washy conflicted hero, unable to decide between Charles or Erik's philosophy.
Hopefully now that Disney has the franchise, they'll elevate the ladies. Storm was so popular at one point, when Marvel and DC did a crossover event, pitting hero against hero, and Ororo took out Wonder Woman in her issue (they were giving the fans what they wanted). Storm lead the X-Men during their heyday and no one had a problem with it, even Cyclops fans, because the transition of leadership was so well handled. Halle Berry had almost nothing to work with because you know the men writing the film were only interested in writing about the guys, and resorted to sticking the women in love triangles (Jean, Rogue, Kitty, and Mystique are all in a dumb triangle).
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The last stand is underrated imo. I know a lot of people didn't like it but I have a soft spot for it.
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Same ... I really enjoyed X3
It’s definitely one of the weakest to me but I do think it gets too much hate. The first half was as strong as the others and the second half was fun with the fight scenes. I think it just suffered the standard third movie fate of trying to cram too many storylines in making them all feel rushed and weak.
People just love to hate.
Same ❤️
Loved this movie as a kid, I was so shocked at Xavier’s death, I wanted Jean’s rich red hair, I love how badass she is, I like Mystique a lot and was bummed when she was “cured”, I love Erik and Charles’ polarized friendship, I liked how Logan chose to kill Jean despite his personal feelings, it showed a strength of his character not just his muscles - there’s a lot to love in this movie idc lol
I do like this movie, despite its flaws. The biggest thing that I can't excuse though is how badly they handled Phoenix. Not only was she a side plot but not utilizing her at all during the final battle. Not to mention the massive nerf that she had, going from one of the most powerful mutants possessed by a near god like cosmic entity, to a kinda strong mutant with a split personality...meh.
I wish they kept the scene where Phoenix rearranges matter and changes a cup into a pulsing "star". Way better than moving some needles. Still not as good as comic Phoenix but definitely better than what we got
@@PaiDiMat Same
You need to watch First Class then Days of Future Past next since those are prequels to the OG trilogy, and those movies are exponentially better than The Last Stand. They also are really important to the storyline
they nerfed the hell out of Bobby in the movies too. Iceman was insanely strong in the comics. He's still pretty awesome in the movies but nothing compared to the comics. hoping maybe we get to see him in the MCU.
I'm the juggernaut bitch will always remain as a great quote.
"who is this, what a beast" is the best quote ever.... when talking about beast hanging upside down... you can't make this stuff up
This movie has such divisive reviews. Some hate it. Some think it's ok. Some think it's the best out of the original trilogy.
FINALLY! I was checking for new marvel video... I know a lot of ppl don't like it, but I like this cuz it reminds me of Xmen Evolution that I used to watch when I was a kid. Also I just love Jean. ❤
You are correct. They nerfed Storm really bad. Magento uses the magnetic energy that's naturally around us to lift himself.
Dr. Hank McCoy/Beast played by Kelsey Grammer is my favorite. Logan/Erik Lenscher/Charles Xavier/Colossus all come in a very close second for me.
People are too generous with saying people are perfectly cast a comic book characters these days
For me what makes a person accurate is not just looking and acting like the character but also being the only choice at the time
And for me Kelsey Grammer and Patrick Stewart are perfectly cast in there roles
(I just wish they made Beast’s body larger and more ape-like but still using the practical effects on his face)
@@JOVONO some people just can never be happy
If you want a little more info on the Phoenix Force, Wolverine, Magneto or Storm, I recommend Fact Fiend's video on it. Brilliant channel.
I absolutely love Rebecca Romijn's Mystique. My favourite superpowered character
Storm is one of my favourite characters from the X-men films - I definitely hope we get to see her in the MCU.
I would even love for her to get her own movie or Disney+ show tbh. I've heard that she has a super interesting comic backstory:
- she was worshipped as a Goddess
- she's descended from a long line of African witch-priestesses
- she married T'Challa/ Black Panther, thus has strong ties to Wakanda, etc.
Fun Fact : In the comics, Storm was the Queen of Wakanda ⚡❄🌪
This is my favourite out of the first trilogy. when you get to DAYS OF A FUTURE PAST, please do the ROGUE CUT
To answer your question, magneto can levitate because he just don't control metal, he controls the Earth's magnetic field itself
Yeah Apocalypse 😊
If you love Vinnie you should try and find both seasons of Galavant and react to those. It is so weird, so fabulous and so so funny!
I freaking love this version of dark Phoenix
You’d think The “cure” would not be very effective or at least not permanent for Omega level mutants like Jean, Storm,magneto, Iceman, Charles-ish,etc
"Who is this?..... What a beast!" lol
EXACTLY
the simulation they was doing is called the danger room and a stable for x-men. Wanda’s actual magneto daughter. After you finish watching all these you have to tell us who you like better: avengers or x-men
Please make sure to watch the Rogue Cut once you get to Days of Future Past! 😉👍🏼
You have to keep watching all the x men films!! It gets SO much better every film and its just the greatest
11:36 Mystique and Charles. So typical that he forgets Cyclops, nobody cares about him lol
Nightcrawler is my favorite character. Him and wolverine. But beast is not his father lol, his father was in first class, red guy. Can't spell his name.
Edit: Azazel
´´The Last Stand, it is said that Charles Xavier put his consciousness inside his bother who had been hospitalized for a long time. So after being vaporized by the Phoenix, he was able to transfer that conscious´´
2:27 The Danger Room is so cool. I hope we get to see more of their training sessions in the MCU.
i’m so excited for watching you watch x-men! my favorite one is this one and the future past
Storm(my all time fav from comics, cartoons n these movies) is ALWAYS under appreciated, underused n underrated!!
She’s omega in the comics, n has been a goddess, where when people pray to her she gains more power(can’t remember the term)
But I do understand it’s hard (ish) to integrate powerhouses!!
Seb I think you forgot to upload Moonknight episode 3 on YT
People seem to dislike this flick but I enjoy it a lot. I think the only misfire is you turn Jean into Dark Phoenix but don't use the Phoenix effect around her even for a few moments? Ack! Word of warning: X-Men Origins: Wolverine is awful, but please don't let it stop you from continuing as they get much better again after that.
I think its more that this film suddenly reveals Jean as the Phoenix, despite it basically never being mentioned before.
Moon Knight PLEASE 🙏
Seb - can't wait for you to watch *X-Men First Class.* The quality gets back on track with that one, IMHO.
The boy that is the cure source is called Leach. He is a Morlock in the comics.
You'll know Nightcrawlers dad when he shows up.
Magneto's boots have metal in them. You can see the discs on the side, and a thin metal layer in his heels.
5:15 This really creeped me out when I was younger, and now it’s both funny and creepy
All I'm saying is Wolverine's pants must've been laced with Adamantium because those endured the Phoenix's powers unscathed.
"What a beast" little did past Seb know lol
3:06 Yeah, Seb knows
These films I think really did Storm dirty. She is much more powerful than they have her credit for and as a black female superhero I hope Marvel really invest in her in the next phase of movies
I hope Marvel does her justice. In the books, she used to be one of Marvel's most popular heroes, only to be a background character in the films. I'm not sure why Fox decided to make Professor X a main character, rather than the behind-the-scenes mentor he usually is in the books. Why they felt the need to include Magneto every time out also puzzles me? It'd be like having Lex Luthor in all the Superman films, or the Joker in all the Batman films. They struck gold with casting McKellen and Fassbender in the role and played to the actor's popularity rather than staying true to the character.
But yeah, popular heroes like Storm and Rogue were downplayed and Wolverine / Professor X / Magneto amped, to the detriment of the series. Jean was just a love-interest for Wolverine.
That move where Colossus throws Wolverine is known as the "Fastball Special" in the comics :D
Warren Worthington III is known as Angel in the comics, and he was actually one of the founding members of the X-Men there.
I love that they had Multiple Man in this too, such a clever use for him in decoying Magneto's camp lol
The boy is called Leech, and he unconsciously projects an energy field around himself that disables the mutant X-gene in others.
THAT big robot head Wolverine sliced off in the Danger Room at the beginning is a Sentinel; a mutant-hunting robot developed by anti-mutant elements in the government that can adapt to the powers used against them. They were very nearly unstoppable in the comics.
In the comics the Phoenix Force is a cosmic entity that represents the destruction and rebirth of the entire Universe, and has the power to do so. The Phoenix joined with Jean Grey after it felt her mind transcend the physical realm and felt a kinship with her.
This film came out during a time when "coming out" was one of those very contentious occurrences among those lesser evolved humans who think being LGBT is a 'sin' or whatever, so the allegory between the "Cure" and the Mutants was very fitting for the time. There's nothing TO cure, as Storm so perfectly puts it. There's nothing wrong with you.
Beast is my favorite character, Kelsey didn't do to bad but peak Beast is 90s animated! Quoting Shakespeare while hacking computers like a boss. 😁
Him pointing to Beast: Is that Nightcrawler's dad?
Meanwhile Nightcrawler's actual comic book mom is behind Beast on screen.
Yeah in order it was definitely X2, Last Stand then X1. I love this movie thought, it was the first movie I ever watched in the theater by my self just because I wanted to see it so badly.
My favorite characters from the X-Men movies are Magneto and Quicksilver. Wanda's father and brother.
I’m by no means an expert in X-Men but, as I understand it, Magneto / Eric doesn’t need metal on him to control it. He doesn’t need ‘metal in his shoes’ to fly. He himself can harness the magnetism of the Earth / material around him.
I guess the bridge itself may be the force he’s harnessing to levitate in that scene?
You are correct. Most people think he “controls metal” which bugs me. But he is indeed a manipulator of magnetism
I love Storm and Jean Grey.
Movie Jean grey was the Scarlet Witch before she was the Scarlet Witch in the MCU🤭 Honestly Jean and Wanda threatens the Multiverse with Wanda's Chaos Magic from the Demon kathaan and Jean's enhance abilities from the Phoenix Force, those 2 duos are a problem if they worked together.
This is one of the most underrated X-Men films and great reaction man
They shoulda had the top half of mystique still be the little girl before she kills that guard and says “told ya so” that woulda been so much colder
Your confusion at the beginning with Charles walking....yeah. Welcome to the club.
I enjoyed the og Xmen movies. My only problem with them was the inconsistencies. Ironically, they were consistent.
They tried to fix them with Days of Future's Past, but then the new ones came around and, well..... 🙄! *sigh*
I was so glad that they finally gave Storm some fight scene.
In the comics, she is a badass warrior who can own a fight.
I was shook when Scott was killed off.
Take notice of the robot during the simulation, it's called a Sentinel, it will have an importance in a future movie.
6:35 her scream scared tf outta me when I was younger
Juggernaut is done wrong in this movie. He isn’t even a mutant in the comics. He is Xavier’s step brother. His powers are magical. The only way to stop him is to get his helmet off and attack his mind with psychic attacks
He can manipulate magnetic fields which is what allows him to levitate
This film was such a huge problem to complete.
Schedule conflicts (Anna Paquin had like only 5 days to film so her role was dramatically reduced…. James Marsden committed to Superman Return so his role was cut super short), director Bryan Singer left & took original screenwriters, the composer, and star James Marsden with for Superman Returns (later Bryan was accused of sexual misconduct) so new director had to come in to finish the troubled movie.
On the whole it was an ok movie considering.
Filmed in Vancouver too. ♥️
Omg you mentioned & referenced HP again 😒.
Apart from that good to see you reacting to this our Sokka 😃
"Who is this?"
He doesn't know Beast?
"What a beast!"
Oh, he does know Beast
"Is he Nightcrawler's dad?"
Oh, he doesn't know Beast.
19:52 "I'm the Juggernaut b*tch!"
AVI ARAD worked on the first movies as executive producer
But for the 3rd movie, he decided to step in as the main producer
That's why we got a movie done by a director with no passion, and a limited story overstuffed with characters, just so he could sell more toys
" just so he could sell more toys"
Yeah, thats been a thing for a very long time. The GI Joe tv show was made to sell toys. Same with shittons of other tv shows back in the day.
Literally 30 minutes toy commercials for kids.
@@Petrixxxxxxx but with Arad is way worse
It was because of him that TASM3 and Fantastic Four 3 were never made
And not to mention the current situation of Sony's cinematic universe
@@Zombiesnyder13 it was such an insult that he had a huge thanks in No Way Home
5:01
"Do You Know Who You're Talking To?
Me: A gritty remake of Sonic The Hedgehog??
🤣🤣
Watch The Wolverine next since it takes place immediately after this movie.
Then I’d watch First Class, then Days of Future Past, then Apocalypse, then Dark Phoenix then Logan
I can't wait for you to react to X-Men: First Class
That has a fuck ton of mixed opinions, but I love the fuck out of the cast.
X-Men movies get all over the place in the timeline after this but, to be fair, they're mostly quite good. And I include them all up to New Mutants. Yeah... I would love you to watch all of them over Moon Knight tbh, but you do you babes.
The second movie was definitely my favorite
22:56 "she blasted his shirt off but not the trousers, she could have helped us out a bit more" lol
I'm sure there's naked pics of Hugh online if you need to. :)
You'll have to watch the entire X-Men/Wolverine series, but that technically includes also Deadpool too, they changed a lot of the females powers from the comics (less powerful), Wolverine became his own character & stole the show, seeing as he's the only one who got spin off movies.
Russell Crowe was asked to play Wolverine originally, but turned it down because he didn't want to get typecast as 'Wolvie' (Gladiator & Wolverine) as he called it.
"Relax, Pyro."
Pyro has no chill....hehe
To your next X-men Days Of Future Past reaction, you have to see the rogue cut version, it’s more extended! 🤙🏻
I tried for so many years post 2006 to like this but the dull dialogue, writing and narration and the bad editing along with the change in director and score didn’t work for me; X-men wise the great films for me are Logan,The Wolverine, X2, XM DOFP, the Deadpool Series, and parts of Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are my faves. I like Dark P more than TLS, score and visuals wise it’s more toned down Dark Phoenix Saga. For me it’s not a comic book issue per say against TLS, just the more movie related elements and the drastic changes in tone and style from X1/X2 to this. TLS was hastily rushed due to Dir. B Singer stepping down to do Superman Returns, the Fox studio pushed for a sequel that he (Singer) would have made if they had waited a year. Singer’s best is XM DOFP.
I think film gets such a bad rap because it followed the excellent X2. It's definitely a step down in quality, especially because the franchise was seemingly about to take off.
The worst part about it was a dialogue and plot. They could've taken their time to introduce the Dark Phoenix Saga instead of trying to cram it into one film. The writers really leaned into making a Magneto a mustache-twirling villain, including him abandoning Mystique at the drop of a hat, which seemed out of character. So I guess subtract a great Mystique and introduce lame speedster-girl, thunderclap-girl, and undercooked Juggernaut. Kitty even draws attention to him by calling him a "d* head" and the audience can only nod their heads.
And, due to Wolverine's popularity, the story focused too much on him, having him replace Cycolp's role as Jean's knight in shining armor. Meanwhile, Magneto was more of a menace than Jean, and he wasn't even part of the original story. They writers just wanted Magneto's special effects. They also crammed too many characters into the film (Beast, Angel, Juggernaut, and way too many others) instead of focusing on a few and building upon them. Fox wanted that toy line to grow.
It squandered all the good will earned by the first two films and killed the momentum of the franchise. Iron Man would soon come out and the Avengers would become the franchise everyone loves instead.
Fox and Warner Brothers really know how squander their riches.
honestly I really like this movie even if it's the black sheep (or one of them lmao) in the x-men movie series. Despite having seen the first two spider-man movies, X3 was the first superhero movie that I watched that I really enjoyed. obvi this was before iron man and the dark knight made them much better in 2008
Magneto is my favourite all the way.
My only issue with the movie is that Juggernaut isn't a mutant. His power comes from an enchanted ruby in His helmet. So his being near the boy wouldn't have negated his powers.
Angel seems like a really cool character. I'm kinda surprised that he always seems to be pushed into a supporting role (i.e. in this film, X-Men: Apocalypse, X-Men: Evolution, Wolverine & the X-Men, etc), despite being a member of the First Class team of X-Men - I hope we get to see more of his character in the MCU.
I would like to see a close bond between him & Storm like in Wolverine & the X-Men tbh, the fact that they can both fly feels like it could create a lot of fun scenes.
8:52 Come on, Seb, don't give up hope
i didn't know people hates this movie so much, this was my favorite X-Men movie, also because of Angel, he's so beautiful.
*phoenix exists* "the power has a mind of it's own?"
gurl you've got a big storm coming 😭 especially when it comes to the comics lol
Rumor has it that Cyclops got killed early because Marvel is petty & angry at James Marsden for starring in Superman Returns. Imagine your better role got cut because of an insignificant role in another movie.
I guess it's X-Men Origins: Wolverine next? I hate the Wolverine trilogy, without the X-Men it felt like eating steak without any seasonings.
Can't wait for the reboot era, if you watch Days of Future Past, pick the Rogue Cut. It's beefier.
DADDY !!!! you should watch the rest of the Xmen movies in release order and INCLUDE Legion Season 1, 2 and 3
This movie was FIRE when I watched it at CINEMA when it came... Then I had to wait for a very, very long time for the "new" MARVEL movies... So thanks for watching this. 🙂 YES, Logans story is in fact very tragic from beginning to end... Actually if you only follow Logan "Wolverine" - it is heartbreaking....
X men timeline
X men first class
X men origins wolverine
X men
X2
X men the last stand
The wolverine
X men days of future past
-new timeline-
X men apocalypse
X men dark phoenix
Deadpool
The new mutants
Logan
Deadpool 2
I like this version of Raven, the level of sass and how she utilize her skill is just right, lmao
I’m happy you enjoyed this movie Seb, but yeah me personally I’m not the biggest fan at all. The whole plot with Jean was just way too rushed, and Cyclops death was extremely disappointing. My biggest gripe with these movies personally is that they basically just became “Wolverine and friends” because of Wolverine being such a money draw. Don’t get me wrong, he IS my favorite of the X Men, but seeing him get all the focus was disappointing. The likes of Storm, Rogue, Iceman and so on are pretty underutilized imo. And don’t get me started on the Cyclops of these movies lol, my boy got disrespected so badly from his comics counterpart. My hope for the MCU X Men is that they really take their time with each individual character before having a teamup film. Something I’ve always said would be a good idea would be doing a Disney+ anthology series about the X Men. So you assemble whatever team of them you want (whether it be the original comics team, the 90s animated series team, or a mix of anything else). And then you dedicate one episode to each individual character, somehow leading it into the next with Professor X bringing them to his school. That way each character gets some time to be fleshed out, and then when they do the X Men movie, they can focus on the plot, the characters relationships with one another and so on
Dunno if you caught, but multiple man is the same actor who plays Dominant Daddy AKA Nate’s dad in Euphoria
Holy shit is he really?
Interestingly juggernaut isn't actually a mutant. He is also professor x's brother
When you said that the war(apocalypse) is a foreshadow to the future films I was like 😬
I love the falcon line 🤣 🤣 14:19
*Sees Beast*
Who's that? What a Beast. Lol
If comic fans tend to feel let down by "X-Men: The last Stand", general audiences mostly enjoy it as a solid trilogy capper. Like you they might feel it's a little rushed, given everything it's trying to do, but that it mostly does it's job effectively enough.
Note: It would be nearly a decade, in real time, before the series picked up its characters (save for Wolverine) at a point AFTER "The Last Stand", and what mattered by that stage, following a failed spin-off, which all but killed the franchise, and a successful (soft)reboot/prequel, which got the series back up on its feet, if still a little uncertainly, was telling the next story as well as possible, not shoring up the previous one. All of which is to say; that it's enough to know going forward, that the cure is only temporary, and Xavier lives.
Let me also suggest again - though I'm sure you've already ignored my unsolicited advice - that "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" is best ignored, or viewed as apocrypha, following the rest of the series. Watch "The Wolverine" next to get the best experience.