Three Secrets for better Prong Setting

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024

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  • @seazestyt
    @seazestyt Рік тому +2

    I am gemcutter and gemstone supplier. My goldsmith retired recently and I decided to do so some of the settings. I came across your channel and enjoy very much the tips you provide. Interesting that I never saw anyone talking about the Vector setting technique but I was naturally doing it in order to line up the prong claws better without being aware of the real benefit of using this technique. Thanks for the videos.

  • @micheledodge8063
    @micheledodge8063 5 років тому +5

    Vector tightening added to my toolbox. Thank you!

  • @rschm87568
    @rschm87568 4 роки тому +3

    Love your channel. 48 yrs in the business. Just bench work. No casting or custom work. Still trying to get the flush setting down

  • @mommachupacabra
    @mommachupacabra 4 роки тому +1

    I had a major springback problem with a pointed oval, but it wasn't prongs, it was v-shaped bezel at each tip of the stone, it was the one I showed on the FB forum where I set the citrine inside the tiger eye, my first gold (14k) piece. No, I didn't resort to glue, and I eventually got it to hold, but boy was I about to cry at one point. Thank you for giving that problem a name, and a prong solution at the very least!

  • @pijnto
    @pijnto 4 роки тому +1

    Vector tightening learnt some thing new today thanks

  • @hardworkinpatriot1891
    @hardworkinpatriot1891 Рік тому

    I appreciate the tips. I am getting ready to make my girlfriend's engagement ring and this gives me some excellent ideas on how to set and tighten the stones for her ring. Definitely subscribing, thank you very much sir.

  • @Celestial_Reach
    @Celestial_Reach 2 роки тому

    Thank you for thus video. I really appreciate it. I'll probably be going through your channel now and studying. Thank you

  • @elisazulueta9535
    @elisazulueta9535 5 місяців тому

    Thanks that was a great idea, I will definitely try to do your suggestion 😊

  • @winniejohnson3688
    @winniejohnson3688 4 роки тому

    Of course I would find you here! Fantastic video. So clear and instructive, as always! Love to all, hope you all are doing well!!

  • @naylizbeth
    @naylizbeth 2 роки тому

    tightening stones is a PAIN. thanks for the tips, great video!

  • @robertboatright3440
    @robertboatright3440 5 років тому +1

    Thank you for the vector tighting info

  • @nicolaebogdanmindrila5008
    @nicolaebogdanmindrila5008 4 роки тому +3

    Absolutely headake problem solving video. Thank you so much. One problem in the shop out of the window.

  • @MacherlaPrabhakar
    @MacherlaPrabhakar 2 роки тому

    Thank sir, greetings from India,

  • @trentonclark2582
    @trentonclark2582 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the vector tip, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one noticing that was a huge file Bobby was using! Awesome videos. I’m gonna look into the forums you mentioned, would love to get in on some of those chats. Cheers!

  • @capt.goldenberg369
    @capt.goldenberg369 5 років тому +1

    Very nice explanation of this issue that troubles many jewelers. I have found that occasionally a jeweler will choose the wrong shape bit to cut the bearing and it does not match the girdle of the diamond leaving a gap between the stone and the bearing I like to use just a miniscule amount of white gold medium or hard solder to fill the gap this in essence locks the stone in place when all other techniques are just not working

  • @kairahagen7862
    @kairahagen7862 Рік тому

    Thank you, this was very informative! I’ve had some issues with spring back when working with silver, so I’ll be sure to try the vector tightening.

  • @thiagogusmao8903
    @thiagogusmao8903 Рік тому

    great video! thank you from Brasil

  • @veee3027
    @veee3027 2 роки тому

    Thank you for the tip, I m learning set the stone by myself so this is really helpful,

  • @DomartelloArteeamor
    @DomartelloArteeamor 3 роки тому

    Congratulations on the great job. Thank you for sharing with us. Greetings straight from Brazil.

  • @elbrus65
    @elbrus65 5 років тому +2

    Thank you! Great tips!

  • @Ty-ri7dy
    @Ty-ri7dy 4 роки тому +1

    You've helped tremendously, and gained a sub. thanks so much!

  • @4acesjewelry
    @4acesjewelry Рік тому

    Genius thank you for the information

  • @normantorok5919
    @normantorok5919 5 років тому +1

    just found your channel today, really great content.

  • @przybyla420
    @przybyla420 4 роки тому +2

    If the stone is soft, I’ve found you really have to polish that edge on the file or even the hint of a tooth remaining can cause a scratch.

  • @coralcoveyjewellery869
    @coralcoveyjewellery869 6 місяців тому

    This is so helpful - Thank you!

  • @mgibbons9785
    @mgibbons9785 5 років тому +1

    Fab video. Thanks for sharing!

  • @amandamcgeehan5714
    @amandamcgeehan5714 5 років тому +1

    Great tips, thank you 😊

  • @dr.jackkhorram4129
    @dr.jackkhorram4129 2 роки тому

    Thank you 🙏 very informative.

  • @ivayloivanov5160
    @ivayloivanov5160 4 роки тому +1

    Its great! Thank you :)

  • @rschm87568
    @rschm87568 4 роки тому

    Ive always used the vector tightening method

  • @michaelnicolas6671
    @michaelnicolas6671 3 роки тому

    Thanks master for tips 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @naturalNstylish
    @naturalNstylish 5 років тому

    I haven't had instruction on creating prongs yet but love the tips that you gave. Thanks! :) [new subbie]

    • @duanedodson1
      @duanedodson1 4 роки тому

      There are a lot of good videos here on youtube on prong settings. Search around

  • @indipiraterecordsbrucescot2174
    @indipiraterecordsbrucescot2174 4 роки тому +1

    really helpful :) cheers

  • @ReinhardBoehler
    @ReinhardBoehler 9 місяців тому

    super helpfull!!

  • @rodolfoalvareznavarro7445
    @rodolfoalvareznavarro7445 2 роки тому

    felicidades. muy buena explicacion .

  • @robpetesworkshop
    @robpetesworkshop 4 роки тому

    That's an awesome tip Joel! Thanks for sharing , new sub here

  • @This1LifeWeLive
    @This1LifeWeLive Рік тому

    Geez, wish I'd found this last week while searching! I also see you have a video on cutting a seat into prongs, will be checking that out too. I just mounted my first gem last week, a giant gem quality moonstone into a sterling silver quad prong basket setting. Thought I had ordered pre-notched, but nope. So I took my dremel and cut in a seat best as I could. Actually turned out quite good! But still had issues trying to seat the stone squarely (it wanted to roll), and then I may have mangled the setting as a whole trying to tighten the prongs down. I placed my pliers over the top of the prong and at the bottom of the basket setting and pretty much squeezed them down and forward. Worked like a charm, except it's slightly crooked, lol. Can't really notice unless you flip the setting over though. It's not fully mangled, just a bit twisted from behind..
    I am wondering if it's due to such a large setting that it's bending more than a smaller setting would? it's 12x18 . and also is there a way to square the stone/setting back up once it's secure, or would I have to start all over?

    • @MrLardobutt
      @MrLardobutt Рік тому +1

      hard to give u specific advice without knowing the shape of the stone, first thing you want to is always use a head/ setting that is bigger than the stone, gemstones are usually very fat and require more room to accommodate the extra volume, you usually just order the next size up, NEXT, if if u are setting a cushion cut, you don't cut seats on the prong, what you want to do is use a round bur and drill into the prong, your goal is to create a small cavity that will receive/ hold that corner in place, think of it as a ball and socket joint, once you have the stone in place, start bringing down the prongs, very slowly, do this in opposite pairs, the same way as if you were tightening nuts in a tire, if you notice that the stone starts to get out of alignment, you can move it back by squeezing the outside of the prongs, a motion similar to squeezing a lemon with your thumb and forefinger, only you will be using your pliers to do the squeezing, again, u wanna do this to opposing pairs, and do this very lightly, less is more AND to answer your second question...no, silver is too soft to try and reshape it, you need to handle it with a soft touch, if you try to reshape the setting, you're just gonna end up creating more toolmarks on the setting, it's gonna end up looking mangled, and you're also never gonna be able to get the thing looking like it did before,if it really bothers you, your best option is to order a new setting, and label the whole thing as a learning experience, but hey, that's how things are, you get better as u practice
      If you find that this makes no sense then it's probably because it's almost 5am on my side of the tracks, I'm super tired, and should've been in bed at least two hours ago... Feel free to ask for clarification

    • @This1LifeWeLive
      @This1LifeWeLive Рік тому

      @@MrLardobutt thankyou for the helpful tips, I really appreciate it! The stone was emerald cut 😊

    • @MrLardobutt
      @MrLardobutt Рік тому +1

      @@This1LifeWeLive oh one of those, those are tricky, because they have that belly underneath, but the prongs on most mountings are straight, this is why they have the tendency to dance around energy you're trying to tighten them.... What you want to do is take a round bur and cut a curve into the prong, this curve should cradle some of the stone's belly, that way, when u go to tighten the prongs, the stone stays in place, but not gonna lie, emerald cuts are tricky, if you're just starting, I'd recommend you stick with rounds, ovals, and possibly pear shapes... But the more you practice better you will get

    • @This1LifeWeLive
      @This1LifeWeLive Рік тому

      @@MrLardobutt lol well that's good to know! I figured the shape would be the easiest 🙈

  • @damiancoldwell7224
    @damiancoldwell7224 4 роки тому

    Thanks mate its so logic but as jewellers sometimes we dont think logic.

  • @gavinrutherford6886
    @gavinrutherford6886 Рік тому

    I am new to making rings and setting stones and i am having a hard time marking the correct height on the prong for the notch to set the stone. Could u fo a video on this

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  Рік тому

      Measure the distance from the girdle to the top of the table with dividers. add just a tad, That will be a good guide

  • @edwingemstone
    @edwingemstone Рік тому

    how much does it cost to cut a 100 carat raw diamond

  • @tommybeatz4678
    @tommybeatz4678 5 років тому

    Hey can you make a video on how to pave set please ?

  • @NewLife-qj9mx
    @NewLife-qj9mx 2 роки тому

    Trying to set a flower cut topaz - Ive tried everything and cant get the stone tight - cant really do this technique on a flower cut - any advice?

  • @modelpsrocky2141
    @modelpsrocky2141 2 роки тому

    I too have 15 years of experience but not getting work now I want work

  • @luxbling4280
    @luxbling4280 3 роки тому +1

    Do you still use the pliers when you have small strong prongs?

  • @luxbling4280
    @luxbling4280 3 роки тому

    Do you have a course class?

  • @aussie6639
    @aussie6639 3 роки тому

    Hi , you mentioned a book about pricing jewellery work? I lost the information, would you be kind enough to tell me the name of the book please

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  3 роки тому

      www.jewelerprofit.com/Products/GellerBook5_0.html

  • @nikkibui375
    @nikkibui375 2 роки тому

    Hi Joel. My stone keeps getting loose. Would you be able to help me with my ring setting? It’s a marquise cut. The stems on the prongs are just too weak so they keep bending upon knocking into things

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  2 роки тому

      Sure E mail me at JMDJewelry@gmail.com

  • @bellyisis
    @bellyisis 4 роки тому

    Do you have a link for the parrot pliers? I have a loose stone on my earring that I can actually hear rattle & my jeweler just serviced my tennis bracelet & a stone popped out 5 minutes of having back on( thank g I found the stone). Thank u

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  4 роки тому

      www.stuller.com/products/46-3480/?groupId=20442&recommendationSource=SiteSearch

  • @woyrama7824
    @woyrama7824 2 роки тому

    Hello.
    Where can I purchase the rotating bench vice/ clamp you hold your work piece in?

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  2 роки тому

      Stuller or Rio Grande Jewelry suplies

    • @woyrama7824
      @woyrama7824 2 роки тому

      @@JMDjewelry Thank you.

  • @coasterkat4432
    @coasterkat4432 3 роки тому

    I ordered a setting not realizing that the prongs are rounded instead of flat & now I cannot seem to get my cushion cut aquamarine to stay put to set it. Would filing the prongs more flat help me or what do you suggest? Thanks!

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  3 роки тому

      Try to set the stone as low as possible so the underbezel keeps it in place. I hope this helps

  • @jaysonboes9853
    @jaysonboes9853 4 роки тому

    Hell yea

  • @shekajones6835
    @shekajones6835 3 роки тому

    @ Joel Mcfadden

  • @marcst1231
    @marcst1231 5 років тому

    Hi do you know of any good diamond setting school in the states like for micro pave, shared split prong settings. Thank you

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  5 років тому

      I teach a 2 day class for stone setters or beginers that covers bead setting and Fishtail. www.engraver.com/bead-and-fishtail-setting-by-joel-mcfadden-june-2019/ We limit class size to 3 students so its very hands on.

  • @judyfountain7187
    @judyfountain7187 4 роки тому

    I have googled the heck out of it and i Cannot find those pliers you have. PL-56 Parrot Peak pliers seem to have disappeared from the market! Where can i find the prong setting pliers you have?

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  4 роки тому +1

      www.stuller.com/products/46-3480/?groupId=20442&recommendationSource=RelatedSiteSearch

    • @judyfountain7187
      @judyfountain7187 4 роки тому

      @@JMDjewelry Thank You Joel!

  • @redskinman0
    @redskinman0 5 років тому

    How do you do the Vector method on a 6 prong round stone?

    • @JMDjewelry
      @JMDjewelry  5 років тому

      I usually vector the prongs that are next to each other unless its a very small stone then I go every other one.

    • @redskinman0
      @redskinman0 5 років тому

      Ok thanks

  • @shekajones6835
    @shekajones6835 3 роки тому

    What's your contact